| xnox | ubiquity installer didn't get the memo about almost everything transitioning away from gconf | 00:13 |
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| BigWhale | Good Morning | 07:36 |
| jibel | good morning | 08:02 |
| robru | good morning, team!! | 09:13 |
| Laney | hello | 09:13 |
| robru | how's it going, Laney ? | 09:14 |
| Laney | good | 09:14 |
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| chrisccoulson | hi Laney, robru! | 09:15 |
| robru | chrisccoulson, did you have a good breakfast? | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | can i join in with this talking on IRC to people across the table? :) | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | robru, yes, breakfast was good thanks. how was yours? | 09:15 |
| Laney | _ | 09:15 |
| Laney | | |__ ___ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ ___ | 09:15 |
| Laney | | '_ \ / _ \ | | | / _` | | | | | | / __| | 09:15 |
| Laney | | | | | __/ |_| | | (_| | |_| | |_| \__ \ | 09:15 |
| Laney | |_| |_|\___|\__, | \__, |\__,_|\__, |___/ | 09:15 |
| Laney | |___/ |___/ |___/ | 09:15 |
| robru | chrisccoulson, no! go home! Laney and I are having a serious conversation here. | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 09:16 |
| Sweetsha1k | Laney: When you do cowsay on a sprint you have to do in real life. So where is your cow costume? | 09:16 |
| * Laney ebays one | 09:17 | |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 | 09:24 |
| * chrisccoulson pokes seb128 (literally) | 09:24 | |
| seb128 | ouch | 09:24 |
| xnox | =))))))))))) | 09:24 |
| chrisccoulson | hi xnox | 09:24 |
| * xnox is a safe distance away around the corner =) | 09:24 | |
| Sweetsha1k | thinks missing in the canonical office: quadcopters capable of autonomous flight able to pick up a can of Coke at the kitchen and delivering it to the workplace (orders taken via IRC bot obviously). | 09:30 |
| Laney | xnox: yesterday we were discussing buying these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zuluu-76330-Vuvuzela-25/dp/B0038DKHKE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361265787&sr=8-1 | 09:32 |
| Laney | you wouldn't be a safe distance away from that | 09:32 |
| xnox | =)))))))))00 | 09:33 |
| * xnox has nerf guns at home ;-) | 09:33 | |
| * Laney sees that is prime eligible ... | 09:33 | |
| xnox | Anyway, my laptop's desktop is started and managed by upstart user session ;-) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | it's only tuesday, going to be a long week! | 09:33 |
| seb128 | xnox, do you know when you guys plan to email ubuntu-devel@ about that? | 09:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, btw just fwded you the emails about the platform test ppa | 09:34 |
| xnox | seb128: well stgraber was meant to blog about it on monday?! | 09:34 |
| Laney | got it | 09:34 |
| xnox | seb128: I can forward you the email.... it had a gnome-settings-daemon race between upstart & gnome-session which I have fixed. | 09:35 |
| xnox | seb128: but currently I have gnome-session respawning and failing to spaw compiz, when upstart has already started a compiz. | 09:35 |
| Sweetsha1k | Laney: see also https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727 ... | 09:35 |
| ubot2 | bugs.gentoo.org bug 27727 in Other "Larry can NOT be a Cow." [Trivial,Resolved: wontfix] | 09:35 |
| SuperMatt | wow, who actually cares about calling it a cow or a bull? | 09:36 |
| seb128 | xnox, please do and Cc Laney on those, he's going to be one of the braves who will play with it this week ;-) | 09:37 |
| xnox | I am currently blaming /usr/share/gnome/wm-properties/compiz.desktop | 09:37 |
| xnox | (as that's the only compizy thing I can tell gnome-session is trying to launch.....) | 09:37 |
| xnox | do you have a desktopy devel mailing list I can email this?! | 09:39 |
| attente | seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656565 | 09:43 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 656565 in general "Signalify (already existing) GtkMenuShell.insert()" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 09:43 |
| xnox | Laney: sent you a mail about upstart user sessions ;-) =) | 09:47 |
| Laney | good | 09:47 |
| Laney | i'll try it later | 09:47 |
| xnox | awesome. | 09:47 |
| Laney | you can watch how badly it breaks in my xmonad session :-) | 09:47 |
| xnox | well you'd want to write an upstart job to spawn xmonad first. On par as the compiz job, currently shipped in the upstart package in the ppa I linked. | 09:48 |
| Laney | every session will need to do this? | 09:49 |
| xnox | Laney: well. we should come up with a plan such that we don't need to. | 09:51 |
| xnox | Laney: on the other-hand compiz & window decorators are crashy and we do want upstart respawing those. | 09:51 |
| xnox | Laney: upstart works by itself just fine and stgraber simply glued Xsession.d and a minimal amount of upstart jobs to launch a default unity desktop session with login/out compatability. | 09:53 |
| Laney | right then | 09:55 |
| Laney | i got the email, ta | 09:55 |
| seb128 | attente, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application/+bug/608219 | 10:04 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 608219 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Submenus not added when done so with Glade" [Low,Fix released] | 10:04 |
| SuperMatt | Does anyone think the unity messaging menu would be a good place for a nagios monitor? | 10:13 |
| xnox | SuperMatt: I would love that! | 10:19 |
| xnox | SuperMatt: after all hostgroups is just like spam mailboxes ;-) | 10:19 |
| SuperMatt | y'see, the problem is that nagstamon is broken in 13.04 due to the indicator whitelist being removed | 10:22 |
| SuperMatt | so I've suggested on a bug report for nagstamon that the unity indicator api be used, but also allow the option of dropping it in to the messaging menu | 10:22 |
| desrt | seb128: looks like upstream 3.6 is not working with our themes... | 10:46 |
| seb128 | desrt, how so? | 10:46 |
| desrt | i just did a build of upstream 3.6.1 (from the tag) and it has the same issue | 10:47 |
| desrt | i'm checking our patchset now | 10:47 |
| desrt | git_cssimage_load_when_needed.patch is the only one touching css stuff and i guess it's unrelated? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | desrt, right, that's recent and a backport from 3.8 | 10:49 |
| seb128 | that's a performance improvement thing | 10:49 |
| desrt | well, that's probably not in then | 10:49 |
| desrt | since 3.8 is broken :) | 10:49 |
| desrt | i'm checking 3.6.4 now | 10:49 |
| desrt | maybe there is a fix since 3.6 only on the 3.6 branch | 10:50 |
| seb128 | desrt, did you build using the same libdir sysconfdir etc? | 10:50 |
| desrt | no | 10:50 |
| seb128 | well it needs to find the engine on disk | 10:50 |
| seb128 | the module dir might be different | 10:50 |
| desrt | ya... obviously :p | 10:50 |
| * desrt symlinked the things | 10:50 | |
| seb128 | k | 10:50 |
| seb128 | dunno then | 10:50 |
| desrt | everything is fine except this menu issue | 10:50 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:50 |
| seb128 | can we blame Will? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:51 |
| desrt | we can blame will for anything, really | 10:51 |
| desrt | if he's awake... | 10:51 |
| desrt | attente: hi! | 10:51 |
| * ogra_ blames will | 10:51 | |
| desrt | yup :) | 10:51 |
| ogra_ | who is will btw ? :) | 10:51 |
| * didrocks blames as well | 10:51 | |
| desrt | 3.6.4 not working :( | 10:51 |
| * desrt mumbles | 10:51 | |
| seb128 | ogra_, attente, one of the most recent desktop hires | 10:51 |
| ogra_ | ah, cool | 10:51 |
| * ogra_ doesnt blame will then .... puppy bonus | 10:52 | |
| xnox | do you have a stash of usb keyboards? | 11:16 |
| xnox | (onboard is not yet present in initramfs) | 11:16 |
| Laney | there's some down here | 11:17 |
| xnox | =) | 11:22 |
| honshu | hi.. is this the channel for ubuntu-papercut team ?? | 11:42 |
| czajkowski | can I just point out for the record TheMuso has the patience of a saint! | 12:00 |
| czajkowski | honshu: yes | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | seb128, oh, i forgot to tell you, the dailies for nx7 work again since 20130218.1 in case people need to do fresh installs | 12:01 |
| seb128 | ogra_, \o/ | 12:03 |
| seb128 | ogra_, xnox told us this morning, thanks! | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | compiz dies often though ... seems its related to a11y | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | (every time i focus a test input field the doecorationas (and focus handling) vanishes | 12:04 |
| ogra_ | *text | 12:04 |
| xnox | TheMuso, i think the latest pyatspi upload started to try to talk to SessionManager over dbus, which is not started when we are in Ubiquity. | 12:07 |
| xnox | Do you happen to know something about that? | 12:07 |
| * xnox ponders if we should experiment and disable a11y to see if that is a culprit. | 12:07 | |
| ogra_ | xnox, tricky if you want to test onboard | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | xnox, it doesnt happen with kbd and mouse attached | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | i also see a lot of: | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | (oem-config:1138): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 846 and height -39 | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | in oem-config.log (i guess thats the reason for the off screen drawing of the windows) | 12:09 |
| xnox | ogra_: nah, we see those in normal ubiquity as well. I was given tips by folks from Cambridge to make gtk warnings critical such that they crash the app and then go one by one fixing them. | 12:10 |
| ogra_ | k | 12:10 |
| xnox | it's mostly to do with with width-for-height management in gtk3 and us failing to provide those calls for some (custom) widgets. | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | ah | 12:11 |
| davmor2 | Hey guys when I start up my lenovo y580 with raring I here the drums but the screen is blank turns out the contrast is on minimum is there anything I can do to get more info for you guys for a bug if there isn't one? | 12:19 |
| ogra_ | s/contrast/backlight/ ? | 12:22 |
| TheMuso | xnox: pyatspi is only needed by orca et al, do you mean at-spi2-registryd? | 12:26 |
| TheMuso | xnox: I checked the latest daily as of yesterday in virtualbox, and Orca worked properly when enabled at the try/install ubuntu screen. | 12:27 |
| xnox | TheMuso: yeah, i think at-spi2-registryd is talking on dbus more than it did before. | 12:27 |
| TheMuso | xnox: Nothing jumps out at me in the git log as to why this may be the case... Is this causing problems in Ubiquity? | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | TheMuso, in oem-config ... we switched to compiz recently and it dies if you focus an input text field | 12:32 |
| xnox | yeah, since we are not staring / running full session and don't have SessionManager dbus name running, hence it tries talking to it and times out. | 12:32 |
| xnox | it may or may not be related to other input problems we are seeing on the nexus. | 12:32 |
| xnox | (and that uses a11y by default for touch input) | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | the crashing compiz is definitely not related to input issues of the nx7 | 12:34 |
| ogra_ | you dont have it crashing the decorator plugin on the desktop ... | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | (even if it dies it still has all elements in place, they just dont react ... while in ubiquity/oem-config the whole of compiz vanishes completely) | 12:36 |
| TheMuso | Ok, so what if we rip out the code in ubiquity-dm that calls at-spi2-registryd, and let it get brought up via GTK's use of libatk-bridge? | 12:36 |
| TheMuso | Has anybody tested to see if that makes any difference? | 12:36 |
| xnox | I can try that. | 12:36 |
| TheMuso | Certainly worth trying... | 12:37 |
| xnox | (the point of ubiquity-dm launching all deamons by itself, instead of using activation, is such that it can kill them upon exit and clean up after itself) | 12:37 |
| xnox | so while it can help identify the cause, we will also need to think about cleaning up. | 12:37 |
| TheMuso | I understand that, but if at-spi2 stays around for the desktop session, surely tat isn't a big deal... | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | xnox, btw, do we plan to possibly use upstart session management for that in the future ? | 12:38 |
| TheMuso | Well the funny thing is, I suspect that if GTk was cleaning up properly as it normally should, at-spi2-registry d probably would get shut down. | 12:38 |
| xnox | =) | 12:38 |
| TheMuso | But, due to the crazy mainloop bug, GTK3 in raring and quantal is curently patched such that GTk accessibility stuff is not properly cleaned up... | 12:38 |
| xnox | TheMuso: before or after we reverted the "improvement" where it does it at each main_loop exit?! | 12:39 |
| xnox | =)))) | 12:39 |
| xnox | there is an api call to clean it up? maybe we should just try calling that at the end. | 12:39 |
| TheMuso | xnox: Bug 1056300 | 12:39 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1056300 in GTK+ "If a GTK application quits the main loop and restarts it again, accessibility is lost." [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056300 | 12:39 |
| TheMuso | Is the bug I am talking about, and we patched it out in GTk so what a11y would continue to work in ubiquity. | 12:40 |
| TheMuso | s/what/that/ | 12:40 |
| xnox | yeah, i remember that one. | 12:40 |
| TheMuso | So if that weren't patched out, I suspect at-spi2 would be shut down. | 12:41 |
| TheMuso | But even then I'm not sure. | 12:41 |
| TheMuso | At the very least, libatk-bridge may load at-spi2 with different command-line arguments to what ubiquity-dm uses, so it may just require chanignt eh command-line arguments in ubiquity-dm in the end. | 12:43 |
| TheMuso | changing the even | 12:43 |
| xnox | ogra_: upstart user-sessions is not production ready yet, but yeah it would make ubiquity-dm so much nicer. | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | well, we did plan u-u-s for 13.04, no ? | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | at least for starting desktop components on demand | 12:45 |
| xnox | ogra_: 14.04 production 13.04 upstart should be in the archive with user-session support and some DE launching capability (optional) | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 12:45 |
| xnox | if we are good we do want it by default, but there are quirks to work out. | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | well, i wouldnt do it by default yet for everything ... but i guess ubiquity-dm would make a great testbed | 12:46 |
| xnox | e.g. my ssh agent didn't get the correct environment and we should figure out the story of how to override/not-override converted stuff for xdg-autostart desktop files, Xsession.d snippets and other pieces in *-session launchers. | 12:46 |
| xnox | ogra_: i reflashed root, but I want to keep my userdata partition but ac100 tarball is shouting at me. | 12:47 |
| xnox | any way to skip tarball installer now? =) | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | shouting ? how ? | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | well, the ac100 side of the installer is pretty sctrict, it uses a builtin md5 sum from the initrd to make sure bootimg and tarball match | 12:49 |
| xnox | dropping me into initramfs shell saying that it can't find root.img - did you use the right image? | 12:49 |
| xnox | well the tarball is not there any more ;-) i want it to just boot. | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | mount --bind /dev /root/dev | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | chroot /root | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | mount -t proc proc /proc | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | update-initramfs -u | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | (assuming there is no ac100-tarball-installer instaled in your rootfs) | 12:50 |
| xnox | awesome thanks. | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | (else remove that package) | 12:50 |
| * xnox really did not want to recompile packages I just compiled for testing ubiquity. | 12:51 | |
| jdstrand | mterry: I didn't actually do that merge | 13:49 |
| mterry | jdstrand, I realized after talking with Robert. His fault, and he fixed it up. | 13:49 |
| mterry | jdstrand, thanks | 13:49 |
| jdstrand | np | 13:50 |
| pitti | seb128: bonjour monsieur, comment se fait le sprint? | 14:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, salut, le sprint est bien, on travaille et on s'amuse également | 14:18 |
| pitti | seb128: I couldn't help grin this morning about | 14:18 |
| pitti | systemd | 44-10ubuntu1 | raring/universe | source | 14:19 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:19 |
| pitti | but it's great to at least have the libraries now | 14:19 |
| pitti | I hope we can make logind work somehow | 14:19 |
| Laney | I heard that someone called it a franken-init ;-) | 14:19 |
| pitti | well, that's what it is really | 14:20 |
| pitti | "wash my hands, but don't make me wet" | 14:20 |
| pitti | but yeah, if we can get the stuff through salami tactics only, I'll take it :) | 14:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, slangasek said he would look at it, but he has tons to do as always, so not sure about the when | 14:21 |
| seb128 | he said that logind is mostly a matter of figuring what to do with cgroups | 14:21 |
| * pitti currently has lots of fun blowing the dust off pygobject 2.28 | 14:21 | |
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| seb128 | mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/harfbuzz/+bug/1130165 | 15:16 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1130165 in harfbuzz (Ubuntu) "[MIR] harfbuzz" [Undecided,New] | 15:16 |
| czajkowski | has anyone else on raring had any issues with mumble, you need to restart it twice for it to connect to the server? | 15:36 |
| jbicha | seb128: what do you think about gnome-games 3.8 for raring? | 15:36 |
| seb128 | jbicha, does it require gtk 3.8? | 15:47 |
| jbicha | seb128: no | 15:48 |
| jbicha | the big change is that each game is a separate source package now | 15:49 |
| seb128 | jbicha, what changed? I don't have a strong opinion on games, if there are no new depends feel free to update | 15:49 |
| xnox | jbicha: well it's split into many packages now, isn't it? and did sudoku get my python3 patch merged? | 15:52 |
| jbicha | xnox: no your bug is still open and GNOME is freezing now so unless we rush it in, it will need to wait until next time | 15:55 |
| sil2100 | desrt: hi! | 16:00 |
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| cyphermox | czajkowski: yeah, same for me, the first time it just seems kind of stuck somewhere | 16:24 |
| cyphermox | lalaland | 16:24 |
| teemperor | mterry: ping | 16:46 |
| mterry | teemperor, hello | 16:47 |
| teemperor | mterry: sorry for interrupting you, ancell forwarded me to you as i wanted to get informatins whether we should mlock in our lightdm greeters ( i found out we don't use it atm in elementary OS) | 16:48 |
| mterry | teemperor, ah | 16:49 |
| mterry | teemperor, probably. Security team recommends it | 16:49 |
| mterry | teemperor, *however* | 16:49 |
| mterry | teemperor, we did a naive mlockall in lightdm in 12.10. And it made the lightdm process balloon in memory. We fixed that in raring. But we continue to mlockall in unity-greeter, because we figure that since the greeter is short-lived, it's fine | 16:50 |
| mterry | teemperor, you may be OK with it as well, but just wanted you to be aware that your greeter will consume a lot more memory after this change | 16:50 |
| mterry | teemperor, you can also use more selective secure memory via libgcrypt or some such | 16:51 |
| mterry | teemperor, but if you're OK with large memory usage, a simple mlockall at the beginning of the greeter is good enough | 16:51 |
| czajkowski | cyphermox: I find I start it up, kill it straigh away and then re launch it then it connects no issues | 16:54 |
| teemperor | mterry: ok, thank you for that nice overview over the problem! | 16:54 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 16:54 |
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| mterry | teemperor, yw! | 16:57 |
| desrt | sil2100: hi | 17:11 |
| desrt | sil2100: how can i help? | 17:12 |
| sil2100 | desrt: I already asked on gnome-hackers, thanks! | 17:14 |
| desrt | seb128: http://thehawksmoor.com/locations/guildhall | 17:26 |
| teemperor | mterry: another question, is it possible that there is no vala-binding for mlockall in precise? | 17:39 |
| TheMuso | teemperor: A quick glance at the unity-greeter vala source shows me that a psudo binding for mlockall etc was manually added pointing to the correct header file. If you look at the unity-greeter source, have a look in src/fixes.vapi. | 17:42 |
| teemperor | TheMuso: ah, ok, i was searching for a vapi on the top of the branch-directory | 17:43 |
| teemperor | thank you | 17:43 |
| TheMuso | np. | 17:43 |
| mterry | teemperor, yeah I don't think so. See unity-greeter for an example of manually adding the vapi | 17:44 |
| mterry | oh, TheMuso got it first :) | 17:45 |
| mterry | attente, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1031449 | 18:09 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1031449 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Quantal) "rhythmbox leaking memory" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:09 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey all... | 18:35 |
| didrocks | hey jasoncwarner_, how are you? | 18:35 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks good, except for the whole being in constant pain bit... ;) | 18:35 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks: you? and everyone else there? | 18:36 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: getting well as you can see on g+ :) in addition, we are getting a sunny London weather! | 18:36 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: hope your back is fixing gradually | 18:36 |
| jasoncwarner_ | didrocks: yeah...kenvandine is a jerk for posting the good food on g+ :/ | 18:37 |
| kenvandine | jasoncwarner_, yo yo | 18:37 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: did you see my post? We keep a piece for you :p | 18:37 |
| desrt | jasoncwarner_: hey. what's up? | 18:37 |
| kenvandine | jasoncwarner_, you know we miss you! | 18:37 |
| jasoncwarner_ | kenvandine: :) | 18:37 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey desrt | 18:37 |
| desrt | jasoncwarner_: going here on thursday: http://thehawksmoor.com/locations/guildhall | 18:37 |
| kenvandine | jasoncwarner_, we might go for another round of burgers tonight | 18:37 |
| kenvandine | tower 42! | 18:38 |
| desrt | kenvandine: not likely :) | 18:38 |
| kenvandine | bah | 18:38 |
| * desrt wants to go to the theatre, you bums | 18:38 | |
| kenvandine | desrt, loser! | 18:38 |
| jasoncwarner_ | desrt: I'm holding down the fort in Canada for you, robru and attente | 18:38 |
| kenvandine | desrt, you're so artsy | 18:38 |
| desrt | jasoncwarner_: :) | 18:38 |
| desrt | kenvandine: i could practically be a designer with this scarf and how i wear it around inside and stuff | 18:38 |
| kenvandine | haha | 18:38 |
| jasoncwarner_ | desrt: v-neck, scarf and glasses without lenses | 18:38 |
| * desrt tosses it for flair | 18:39 | |
| desrt | v-neck! | 18:39 |
| * desrt gets on that | 18:39 | |
| desrt | holy shit | 18:39 |
| desrt | i can't see!!! | 18:39 |
| desrt | attente has strong glasses, it turns out | 18:40 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 19:08 | |
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