[04:57] <vibhav> pitti: ping
[06:55] <pitti> Good morning
[06:55] <pitti> vibhav: hello
[06:57] <vibhav> pitti: I was adding an autopktest for libnotify, any idea how to make it run?
[06:58] <vibhav> I have written the test and it works locally, but I dont have an idea how to run it on the test servers (with xfvb-run)
[06:58] <pitti> vibhav: you'll need to start a session D-BUS (dbus-launch) and xvfb-run
[06:58] <vibhav> any*
[06:59] <pitti> vibhav: you can use python-dbusmock and load the notification-daemon template; that will take care of setting up the session d-bus, etc.
[06:59] <vibhav> pitti: So, what will be the dependencies
[06:59] <pitti> vibhav: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/python-dbusmock/trunk/view/head:/tests/test_notification_daemon.py
[06:59] <vibhav> pitti: I dont know python :(
[06:59] <pitti> vibhav: python3-dbusmock, xvfb
[07:00] <pitti> vibhav: this tests p-dbusmock's notification-daemon mock, so the other way around; you can test the library with GIR then
[07:00] <vibhav> GIR?
[07:00] <pitti> vibhav: then just use dbus-launch and depend on notification-daemon
[07:00] <pitti> and use it from C
[07:01] <pitti> so dbus-x11, notify-osd | notification-daemon, xvfb
[07:01] <pitti> and call dbus-launch
[07:01] <pitti> that ought to work
[07:01] <vibhav> whoo
[07:02] <vibhav> pitti: So, I need to use dbus-launch && xfvb-run ./tests, right?
[07:02] <pitti> yes
[07:15] <vibhav> pitti: \o/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1680300/
[07:18] <pitti> vibhav: [ -x libnotify_test]  -> ending space, please
[07:19] <vibhav> ah yes
[07:19] <pitti> vibhav: please use "dbus-launch xfvb-run ./libnotify_test" (no &&), fewer race conditions
[07:20] <vibhav> never knew && would create race conditions
[07:20] <pitti> vibhav: no, but I don't know whether dbus-launch waits for the bus to be up if you don't run a subprogram in it
[07:20] <pitti> it'll probably just work, but without && is the usual form
[07:20] <vibhav> ah
[07:20] <pitti> vibhav: can you please forward the ebook-tools and other tests to Debian?
[07:21] <vibhav> I was creating emails for them, will send them
[07:23] <pitti> vibhav: please also send the libxcb patch to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700423 (you sent the one for libcaca instead)
[07:23] <pitti> vibhav: thanks!
[07:27] <vibhav> pitti: Would Debian object to (C) Canonical Ltd. ?
[07:27] <pitti> vibhav: no, of course no; we have plenty of stuff in Debian with Canonical copyright
[07:27] <vibhav> cool
[07:27] <pitti> most software is copyright by some company, after all
[07:28] <vibhav> Indeed
[07:29] <vibhav> sent
[07:33] <vibhav> done!
[07:33] <vibhav> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~vibhavp/ubuntu/raring/libnotify/add-autopkgtest/+merge/149209
[07:34] <pitti> vibhav: I'm going to apply that directly to Debian, so no need to file a bug
[07:34] <vibhav> pitti: Perfect
[07:34] <pitti> need to wait until my VM builds, then will test
[07:35] <vibhav> okay
[07:39] <vibhav> pitti: Apparently, the ebook-tools diff is between 0.2.1-2build1 (not in Debian) and 0.2.1-2ubuntu1, any idea how to get a diff betwwen debian and ubuntu versions?
[07:40] <pitti> vibhav: build1 was just a rebuild, i. e. the only difference is the changelog
[07:40] <pitti> vibhav: but you can use e. g. "pull-debian-source ebook-tools" to get -2
[07:40] <pitti> or download -2 from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebook-tools/+changelog
[07:46] <pitti> badpkg: Test Depends field contains dependency `notify-osd | notification-daemon' with invalid characters
[07:46] <pitti> vibhav: sorry, can't use | in test dependencies
[07:46] <pitti> vibhav: so please just use notification-daemon
[07:47] <vibhav> pitti: okay
[07:55] <vibhav> pitti: done
[07:59] <pitti> Couldn't exec xfvb-run: No such file or directory
[07:59] <pitti> urgh, what?
[08:02] <jibel> good morning
[08:02] <jibel> pitti, xfvb -> xvfb
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[08:03] <pitti> jibel: ah, thanks for spotting
[08:03] <pitti> vibhav: this couldn't possibly have worked for you either?
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <pitti> hey dholbach
[08:04] <jibel> pitti, you're welcome, how are you? did you recover from your self-defense training?
[08:05] <pitti> jibel: oh yes, very well, thanks; yesterday's regular training helped to get rid of the remaining tensions
[08:05] <pitti> jibel: et toi, comment vas-tu?
[08:06] <jibel> pitti, ça va bien, the only self-defense course I need would be against my children :)
[08:08] <vibhav> pitti: yep :D
[08:08]  * vibhav corrects typo
[08:11] <vibhav> pitti: pushed
[08:17] <pitti> vibhav: works now
[08:17]  * vibhav cheers
[08:18] <pitti> .. and add XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest properly
[08:29] <pitti> vibhav: uploaded to Debian; will sync once it's imported into LP
[13:20] <smartboyhw> pitti, BTW: What's UbuntuKylin?
[13:21] <pitti> smartboyhw: it's the success of the Ubuntu Chinese edition, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin
[13:21] <smartboyhw> pitti, hmm nice!!!
[13:21]  * smartboyhw wants to help since he is Chinese
[13:22] <pitti> any help is appreciated there, I think; you should contact JackYu and ypwong, they are driving this
[15:39] <balloons> SergioMenesesAFK, I hear you made an even bigger one-liner
[15:41] <vibhav> pitti: Thanks!
[17:08] <SergioMeneses> morning guys!
[17:08] <SergioMeneses> balloons, hey, yes I did it, and it works perfectly :)
[17:08] <SergioMeneses> did you check it?
[17:08] <cprofitt> phillw: ping
[17:09] <cprofitt> phillw: meeting is in 50 minutes are you ready to chair the meeting?
[17:09] <balloons> SergioMeneses, yes
[17:09] <balloons> you used an env var
[17:09] <balloons> I was not able to make it work..
[17:10] <balloons> d'oh! the backticks
[17:10] <balloons> that was my issue
[17:10] <cprofitt> SergioMeneses: if phillw is not around can you chair the ubuntu friendly meeting?
[17:11] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, me? o0
[17:12] <cprofitt> SergioMeneses: yes
[17:12] <SergioMeneses> but what can I talk about?
[17:12] <SergioMeneses> I know a few things of this project
[17:12]  * SergioMeneses callphone
[17:13] <hggdh> balloons: so... I intend to be more involved with QA from next week on. Do you mind?
[17:13] <hggdh> actually, from next next week
[17:14] <balloons> hggdh, always nice to have you!
[17:14] <hggdh> balloons: thank you dear sir
[17:14] <balloons> what tickles your fancy now-a-days?
[17:15] <hggdh> not sure yet, I am now starting to actually think about where I want to mess around with
[17:15] <hggdh> but I certainly do not want to leave QA
[17:16] <hggdh> I will certainly run the tests, etc. But I want to look more on autopkg, and others
[17:16] <cprofitt> hey hggdh
[17:17] <hggdh> cprofitt: shoot
[17:17] <cprofitt> just saying hello...
[17:17] <hggdh> :-)
[17:17] <hggdh> hi cprofitt
[17:17] <balloons> hggdh, excellent. Plenty of good choices :-)
[17:24] <cprofitt> SergioMeneses: never mind... it does not appear as though anyone is here for the meeting...
[17:24] <cprofitt> query balloons
[17:24] <balloons> cprofitt, :-(
[17:24] <cprofitt> need some advice on getting ubuntu friendly back off the ground --
[17:25] <balloons> cprofitt, yes, I wanted to chat with you about it at some point
[17:25] <cprofitt> are meetings key? what other ways are there to build some excitement about contributing...
[17:25] <balloons> IRC meetings are often hard for people.. However, you are correct in that it helps build excitement
[17:26] <cprofitt> yes, the Ubuntu Friendly folks appear to be split between US and Europe
[17:26] <cprofitt> or at least the time zones
[17:26] <cprofitt> we had our first meeting two weeks ago - night time in the US
[17:27] <cprofitt> and today was scheduled for a more european friendly time
[17:27] <cprofitt> I also put a pad up for some asynchronous discussions
[17:28] <balloons> cprofitt, yes, what all have you learned? first and foremost it sounds like you need to get friendly working again
[17:28] <cprofitt> I am still struggling to get in to the code so I can see what is causing submissions to not be 'accepted'
[17:28] <balloons> if you did/do that, the laptop testing folks  would love to use it again. SergioMeneses included ;-)
[17:28] <balloons> that should be enough to start the snowball
[17:28] <cprofitt> yes, we need to get it working again... and get some feedback to people submitting results
[17:29] <balloons> it's a tall order to do so. But for now I would focus on it, and focus on communicating with the folks who can help do the work
[17:29] <balloons> IRC meeting, emails, whatever works for them..
[17:29] <cprofitt> yep, I have been emailing jedimike
[17:30]  * SergioMeneses back
[17:30] <balloons> once it's up and running you can try and attract different people to help.. and I can help with that as well
[17:30] <cprofitt> he has been working through some of the issues with getting the Ubuntu Friendly server running -- so those that want to test, contribute can do so
[17:31] <cprofitt> I truly think the biggest road block currently is that results (not sure how many) are being rejected
[17:31] <cprofitt> I think we need to get a handle on that -- and adjust the criteria if necessary
[17:31] <SergioMeneses> balloons, that would be great!
[17:31] <cprofitt> provide a way for people to see if their result was rejected
[17:32] <cprofitt> I submitted five tests and none of been included -- but I have no idea why not
[17:32] <cprofitt> so I can not re-run or look deeper at the issue
[17:32] <cprofitt> and my tests are on equipment that is certified I believe
[17:33] <balloons> cprofitt, yes exactly.. so it's sort of broken until you can fix that
[17:33] <balloons> I think you have the right folks you need to fix the issue
[17:33] <cprofitt> I think if people understood why their results were not being included we might uncover some bugs
[17:34] <vibhav> Is the rejection a bug?
[17:34] <cprofitt> yes, Mike is the right person... just need to touch bases with him.
[17:34] <vibhav> cprofitt: What is the exact protocol for approving a report?
[17:35] <cprofitt> vibhav: unsure -- if a laptop failed a 'core' test I would say no... but if a laptop was excluded because a core test was not run... that would depend
[17:35] <cprofitt> vibhav: good question -- I am still trying to understand the code and have not had a lot of time to discuss with the lead developer
[17:35] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, where can we foun the code?
[17:36] <SergioMeneses> *find
[17:36] <cprofitt> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly
[17:36] <cprofitt> SergioMeneses: Mike and I have been working through issues so that people can get that working on their own systems
[17:37] <balloons>  cprofitt, yes is there a good development enviroment?
[17:37] <cprofitt> we just worked through two this weekend
[17:37] <cprofitt> balloons: IMHO not yet
[17:37] <cprofitt> I believe Mike and I almost have it working now
[17:38] <cprofitt> the last hurdle is having the database setup
[17:38] <cprofitt> I am going to rebuild my test machine and walk through the process again to make sure
[17:38] <cprofitt> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-friendly-control/ubuntu-friendly/trunk/changes/146?start_revid=146
[17:39] <cprofitt> you can see some of the recent changes from Mike
[17:39] <balloons> perhaps an image, or vm container for it might help
[17:39] <cprofitt> I would like to build an image myself
[17:39] <cprofitt> so people do not have to go through the setup
[17:39] <cprofitt> I am doing my testing in VirtualBox so I may be able to package that up once we have it working
[17:39] <balloons> all good stuff
[17:40] <balloons> I say keep going cprofitt, and once you get over this hump it will get easier
[17:40] <vibhav> cprofitt:  Hmm, so are these core rests machine dependent?
[17:40] <vibhav> Tests*
[17:40] <cprofitt> I also think we need to get the test environment working before really looking to attract new people.
[17:40] <cprofitt> vibhav: I do not get that impression, but I am unsure
[17:41] <vibhav> cprofitt: ah, so what I can deduce is that this is a server side problem, right?
[17:41] <vibhav> N
[17:42] <cprofitt> I think that may be the case
[17:42] <vibhav> Not related to the data sent by friendly.
[17:42] <cprofitt> but if there are tests being skipped by checkbox that could also make things have issues
[17:42] <vibhav> Aren't core yes mandatory?
[17:42] <vibhav> Tests*
[17:43] <cprofitt> I do not think it has to do with data being sent to friendly, but there could be an issue with a test running on checkbox properly
[17:43] <cprofitt> I know there was a bluetooth test that was not running
[17:43] <cprofitt> and the website test was failing since the URL checkbox was sending people too was 404
[17:44] <vibhav> I recommend example organisations for the website test. It will never (probably) 404.
[17:44] <cprofitt> yeah, that would be good...
[17:44] <cprofitt> heck just going to google.com would likely work
[17:45] <vibhav> S/organisations/example.org/
[17:45] <vibhav> cprofitt: using Google.com generate some unwanted controversy
[17:45] <balloons> cprofitt, this is what I wanted to share with you: http://www.vagrantup.com/
[17:46] <cprofitt> vibhav: true...
[17:46] <vibhav> "privacy", etc
[17:46] <cprofitt> ubuntu.com should be ok though...
[17:46] <cprofitt> as long as we are running checkbox that will likely be there
[17:46] <cprofitt> balloons: that looks good... I will take a closer look at that after work today
[17:46] <vibhav> Perfect.
[17:47] <cprofitt> vibhav: I think this is the code that gets the results
[17:47] <cprofitt> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-friendly-control/ubuntu-friendly/trunk/view/head:/apps/results/api.py
[17:48] <cprofitt> one of the ideas I had for this was to allow a person to login in on friendly.ubuntu.com and then request the status of their submissions
[17:49] <cprofitt> I am making the assumption that this code can be leveraged to pull specific 'submitters' results from launchpad and then display the results
[17:49] <vibhav> I should learn python :)
[17:49] <vibhav> C ain't going to help here much.
[17:49] <cprofitt> I am slowly learning it... this project will likely help me do that :-)
[17:49] <vibhav> cpro
[17:49] <cprofitt> most of my experience is in C#
[17:49] <vibhav> Oops
[17:50] <vibhav> cprofitt: what about manual submission?
[17:50] <cprofitt> not sure...
[17:50] <cprofitt> do you mean w/o using checkbox?
[17:51] <vibhav> That should make testting easy too
[17:51] <cprofitt> yes, but prone to human error
[17:51] <balloons> cprofitt, also http://www.jorgecastro.org/2013/01/18/vagrant-ubuntu-images-now-available/
[17:51] <vibhav> cprofitt: I mean, I testing with check box offline, generate a file with results and then submit them in access to the Internet
[17:52] <cprofitt> vibhav: yes, that would be nice too
[17:52] <vibhav> That would make testing more easier.
[17:52] <cprofitt> it would also be useful to have checkbox allow restartable tests
[17:53] <vibhav> Indeed
[17:53]  * vibhav takes a look at his notes 
[17:54] <vibhav> Hmm, I've said all I had jotted down.
[17:54] <cprofitt> vibhav: I truly appreciate you making the meeting and having some good questions and suggestions
[17:54] <vibhav> Thanks :)
[17:54] <cprofitt> you are on the QA mailing list?
[17:55] <vibhav> Yep
[17:55] <vibhav> I've not contributed much to friendly, though I am involved with autopkgtest :)
[17:55] <cprofitt> I will put out another email, tonight when I get home, with some of these things summarized and a link to the etherpad I setup
[17:56] <cprofitt> is autopkgtest what I call checkbox or are those different?
[17:56] <vibhav> Nope, autopkgtest is automated testing for Ubuntu packages
[17:56]  * cprofitt nods
[17:57] <vibhav> cprofitt: After installing an app/library we basically check if it has been correctly installed
[17:57]  * SergioMeneses thinks it this chat can not be count like a meeting
[17:57] <vibhav> Like testing certain library functions for a particular library
[17:59] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: believe me, the developer advisory team has similar meetings
[17:59] <vibhav> We just gather and discuss important matters :)
[18:00] <vibhav> No meetingology :)
[18:00] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, that's true but I dont know how many people work with UF team, cprofitt ?
[18:00] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: yeah, but I see your point too
[18:03] <SergioMeneses> ;)
[18:04] <vibhav> Okay guys, it's late night here and I have school tomorrow
[18:04] <vibhav> Good night!
[18:07] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, good night!
[18:30] <cprofitt> good night vibhav
[19:29] <balloons> morning Noskcaj
[19:29] <Noskcaj> hello balloons
[19:30] <balloons> xnox, you about?
[19:48] <phillw> SergioMeneses: have you checked to see if your bug is fixed into todays images?
[19:49] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ok let me donwload the new changes
[19:49] <SergioMeneses> download
[19:49] <phillw> bug 1125897
[19:50] <phillw> SergioMeneses: what was the dupe number of yours?
[19:53] <phillw> bug 1128597
[19:54] <phillw> hmm, bad day for ubot5 :)
[19:55] <SergioMeneses> phillw, but it is not fixed
[19:56] <phillw> have you zsync'ed up?
[19:57] <Noskcaj> i think that bug is still there, at least in lubuntu
[19:58] <phillw> okies, I'm just zsyncing up my desktop iso now.
[19:58] <phillw> SergioMeneses: is the bug logged on the iso-traker?
[19:59] <SergioMeneses> phillw, no, no yet xD
[20:00] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, Im going to check it
[20:00] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, \o
[20:00] <SergioMeneses> phillw, btw I pass the cisco certification xD
[20:00] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, \o  Hi
[20:01] <phillw> SergioMeneses: as with all bugs in iso testing, please do link them to the iso tracker, this means that the guys spending time fixing them on the release team can justify the time spent.
[20:01] <phillw> SergioMeneses: congrats!
[20:02] <SergioMeneses> phillw, kk
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> phillw, 42% , my internet connection is slooooow
[20:07] <phillw> I have got 100% update, I'll fire up the VM
[20:09] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ok anything let me know
[20:10] <phillw> It's having a good think :)
[20:11] <balloons> alesage, what's the export command again for autopilot gtk?
[20:11] <phillw> grr. starting crash reporter :/
[20:11] <thomi> balloons: you mean, not 'autopilot launch foo' ?
[20:11] <balloons> o hey thomi :-)
[20:11] <balloons> I'm messing with trying to introspect ubiquity
[20:11] <SergioMeneses> phillw, o0
[20:11] <balloons> it's time :-)
[20:11] <thomi> GTK_MODULES="autopilot:$GTK_MODULES" appname
[20:12] <thomi> so, make sure 'autopilot' is in the gtk modules list when the app launcher
[20:12] <thomi> *launches
[20:12] <balloons> it's a bit difficult, because ubiquity is a script, so it can't autolaunch
[20:12] <balloons> even when I choose the binary as ideally I'd pass an argument
[20:14] <balloons> sweet
[20:14] <balloons> got it I think
[20:14] <thomi> balloons: environment should be inherited
[20:14] <balloons> bah.. no, it didn't show in vis
[20:16] <balloons> thomi, yea I saw if no arg, it will inherit
[20:16] <thomi> balloons: do you get any output from the autopilotplugin at all?
[20:17] <balloons>  get only a unity connecton
[20:17] <balloons> and a QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current theme
[20:17] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'm just asking about it on -release
[20:18]  * SergioMeneses is about 70%
[20:18] <balloons> hmm
[20:18] <balloons> sudo cause issues?
[20:18] <thomi> balloons: yes, you can't do: ENV=value sudo foo bar
[20:18] <thomi> since then you're entering another shell
[20:18] <balloons> yarp
[20:18] <thomi> with it's own environment
[20:18] <balloons> but ubiquity needs it
[20:19] <thomi> balloons: so do 'sudo su' and then launch it from there
[20:19] <balloons> I could launch everything as root
[20:19] <balloons> yea
[20:20] <balloons> no dice
[20:20] <balloons> argh
[20:21] <balloons> ok, so as root.. I launch GTK_MODULES="autopilot:$GTK_MODULES" /usr/lib/ubiquity/bn/ubiquity
[20:28] <SergioMeneses> phillw, did you get the same bug today?
[20:29] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I got the same error message.
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hi
[20:30] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello!
[20:30] <phillw> balloons: do you have a lubuntu desktop iso to hand?
[20:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm organizing a Global Jam for Sun 3 March
[20:32] <balloons> phillw, not todays
[20:32] <balloons> but yes
[20:32] <balloons> Letozaf_, awesome
[20:32] <SergioMeneses> :O
[20:33] <phillw> balloons: can you zsync it up and confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1128597 it is a 'show stopper' for lubuntu desktop in both Vbox and KVM
[20:33] <Letozaf_> SergioMenesesAFK, :-D
[20:34] <balloons> tjay tje nig frp, fro
[20:34] <balloons> new language
[20:34] <balloons> shift your hands one key to the left an you'll get the message
[20:34] <balloons> lol
[20:35] <phillw> doesn't look like Klingon
[20:36] <phillw> hmm, 'a' shifted to the left is CAPS LOCK
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, but let to a is nothing
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, you're teasing :D
[20:37] <balloons> lol -- I typed with my hands shifted somewhere
[20:37] <balloons> honestly
[20:37] <balloons> I meant to say -- this the bug from fri
[20:38] <phillw> balloons: As the famous Eric Morecambe said... I'm playing all the CORRECT notes, just not necessarily in the correct order.
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, that is great! about the ugj
[20:39] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, yes I am working with a friend of mine to organize it
[20:40] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, why don't you have one too ?
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, Im a very busy person, if my team organice the ugj I might help
[20:41] <balloons> thomi, so any thoughts? I launch ok, so as root.. I launch GTK_MODULES="autopilot:$GTK_MODULES" /usr/lib/ubiquity/bn/ubiquity
[20:42] <balloons> as root, and then run autopilot vs, but it doesn't work
[20:42] <thomi> balloons: in a call right now - will be with you in 15 minutes :)
[20:42] <balloons> ahh.. no worries
[20:42] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, that's why I am asking someone to help :D can't do it on my own :D
[20:44] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, it is better in that way
[20:45] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, yes
[20:55] <thomi> balloons: ok, I just tried it as well, and I'm unable to get it to work either. My guess is that ubiquity does not honor the GTK_MODULES, which is a PITA
[20:56] <balloons> xnox, ^^
[20:56] <thomi> balloons: perhaps poking around the ubiquity startup source code might reveal why that is
[20:56] <balloons> thomi, I am looking around trying to find a way.. but I'm no expert at ap or ubiquity obviously :-p
[20:56] <balloons> there is a qt interace too
[20:57] <thomi> so... ubiquity is the kubuntu installer?
[20:57] <balloons> yes
[20:57] <balloons> it's both
[20:57] <thomi> and it uses gtk!??
[20:57] <thomi> oh ok
[20:57] <balloons> it uses qt
[20:57] <balloons> or gtk depending on kde or ubuntu, etc
[20:57] <thomi> I seeee
[20:57] <balloons> binary is different
[20:57] <thomi> so, when I launched it it started the kubuntu installer
[20:57] <thomi> how do I get it to launch the ubuntu version?
[20:57] <balloons> did you do it from the desktop?>
[20:57] <thomi> yes
[20:57] <balloons> I'm in a VM doing it
[20:58] <thomi> I just run 'ubiquity'
[20:58] <balloons> ahh.. yes, messing with on the desktop is not recommended
[20:58] <balloons> but you can force the gtk version to run
[20:58] <balloons> passing an arg gtk_u
[20:58] <balloons> gtk_ui
[20:59] <balloons> I loaded a live session in a vm, and installed autopilot
[20:59] <phillw> whilst not wishing to break up the chat for automated testing, has anyone recently tried ISO's in a VM?
[20:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have weired things happening to me when I use autopilot vis
[21:00] <thomi> balloons: it does nothing when I pass 'gtk_ui' as an argument... :(
[21:00] <thomi> Letozaf_: what kind of things?
[21:00] <Letozaf_> thomi, well I cannot expand the single items in the left pane
[21:01] <Letozaf_> thomi, I click on them and nothing happens
[21:01] <Letozaf_> thomi, it used to work
[21:01] <Letozaf_> thomi, do not remember when as I have left autopilot a part for ISO testing
[21:01] <thomi> Letozaf_: wow, you may have been able to reproduce a really rare bug. Can you try expanding them without selecting them first please? so restart vis, select a connection, and then click the expand triangle without selecting the row...
[21:02] <thomi> if my theory is correct, that should work
[21:02] <Letozaf_> thomi, you're right
[21:03] <thomi> \o/
[21:03] <Letozaf_> thomi, well I will use it this way then :D
[21:04] <Letozaf_> thomi, as long as I can use it :D
[21:04] <balloons> thomi, Letozaf_ nice
[21:04] <thomi> Letozaf_: I'll look into fixing that ASAP
[21:05] <Letozaf_> thomi, I'm not in a hurry, now that I know the workaround :D
[21:15] <SergioMeneses> phillw, you're right the bug is still there, Im using lubuntu daily amd64
[21:17] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'm pulling in xubuntu, it will take some time,.
[21:17] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ok
[21:18] <phillw> others could grab it and test on VBox / KVM, but they seem to be low on number this evening.
[21:20] <SergioMeneses> I cant test anymore, I need a better internet connection
[21:20]  * SergioMeneses is missing his home
[21:21] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, where are you ? far from home ?
[21:21] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, yes, Im in Bucaramanga, another city
[21:23] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, oh! well I also feel blue If I have not internet connection!
[21:24] <SergioMeneses> =/
[21:24] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, You can do what you want, but don't leave me without an internet connection!
[21:25] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, jajaja
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, but the tablet version of Ubuntu on what tablets will it work on ?
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you know ?
[21:30] <balloons> Letozaf_, good queston
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, :D
[21:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, HTC ??? lol
[21:31] <balloons> the source code drop that happens is targeting the nexus devices
[21:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, only nexus ones ?
[21:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, isn't there a chance to put it also on other tablets ?
[21:32] <balloons> Letozaf_, anything is possible. the goal of course is to have a shipping tablet and phone
[21:33] <balloons> so you wouldn't need to do such things. I wouldn't put it past folks to play around with the images on other devices
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes sure! I was just wondering if I would be able to put Ubuntu on my tablet :D I have already tried but it was VERY slow
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe one day we will be able to
[21:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh.. what tablet do you have?
[21:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, ASUS Eee Pad Transformer
[21:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, TF101
[21:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, a bit old I think :(
[21:36] <balloons> ohh yea.. great little thng
[21:36] <balloons> but it is old
[21:36] <balloons> I almost bought one
[21:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, well maybe now I will have an excuse for changing  it :)
[21:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, hehe
[21:41] <balloons> yes, be patient
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, well If I knew about the Ubuntu Phone before, I would have not bought the one I have now :D
[21:42] <balloons> :-(
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, I would have surely waited
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[21:42] <balloons> I'm waiting.. but then again, a new android phone is only so-so for me
[21:43] <balloons> faster would be better.. but I love my keyboard
[21:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, well I also love my keyboard, but when you can't have it with you, you got the phone :D
[21:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, better than nothing :D
[21:44] <balloons> I use the htc g2/desire z
[21:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, I used to have a HTC wildfire
[21:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, the desire z is a nice phone
[21:46] <balloons> yep.. old now
[21:46] <balloons> but still awesome
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, yea
[21:53] <phillw> SergioMeneses: The fix for bug 1128597 has not yet arrived into the system " There's a branch linked to the bug.  xnox hasn't merged it and uploaded yet, hence it's not Fix Released.  Patience." Was my reply from -release, so we just have to twiddle our thumbs until it arrives. In the meantime, please do test out xubuntu / kubuntu etc. They always also need testers and it is nice to help out.
[21:54] <phillw> you can use zsync to save you having to download a totally new ISO.
[21:55] <SergioMeneses> :OOOO
[21:55] <SergioMeneses> phillw, thanks a lot
[21:56] <SergioMeneses> I think I can work on xubuntu testing but this weekend xD
[21:57] <phillw> SergioMeneses: are you familiar in changing your iso to a new flavour?
[21:57] <phillw> whilst keeping the existing flavour.
[21:57] <SergioMeneses> phillw, what do you mean?
[21:58] <phillw> SergioMeneses: all the iso's have a generic name, in the case of desktop amd 64 it is raring-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:59] <SergioMeneses> phillw, yes
[21:59] <phillw> So, if you want to test from lubuntu to xubuntu, you issue
[21:59] <phillw> cp raring-desktop-amd64.iso-lubuntu
[22:00] <phillw> then you can use the zsync command from xubuntu to update it.
[22:00] <phillw> when you want to swap back you issue
[22:00] <SergioMeneses> omg!
[22:01] <SergioMeneses> that is great, i didn t know
[22:01] <SergioMeneses> phillw, only works from lubuntu to xubuntu ?
[22:01] <phillw> cp raring-desktop-amd64.iso-xubuntu
[22:01] <phillw> mv raring-desktop-amd64.iso-lubuntu raring-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:02] <phillw> nope, that will work for all of the amd64 desktop system, it will actually work accross the entire system, but when you switch archs the saving is minima.
[22:03] <phillw> *minimal.
[22:03] <SergioMeneses> phillw, isos name are lubuntu_raring_desktop-amd64.iso
[22:04] <phillw> once you have the lubuntu one moved back to raring-desktop-amd64.iso the zsync from lubuntu amd64 desktop will refresh that one for you.
[22:04] <SergioMeneses> so, will I change it to the version that I need?
[22:07] <phillw> SergioMeneses: zsync does not see them as that. Look at the zsync command
[22:07] <phillw> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20130219/raring-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[22:07] <phillw> and
[22:07] <phillw> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20130211/raring-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[22:07] <phillw> you will see that the 'input' file is different, but the 'output; file is the same name.
[22:09] <phillw> zsync will write itself as raring-desktop-amd64.iso So, you need to keep the flavours seperate manually.
[22:09] <SergioMeneses> phillw, of course!
[22:11] <phillw> SergioMeneses: it is one of the 'hidden' things that zsync can do, but once you understand how it sees a file, it is really obvious. Just takes a little time to get to understand it.
[22:13] <phillw> Hello File #1, what differences do you have to File #2... Okay, I will now make File #1 the same as File #2. But, I will download things that I need to do so.
[22:13] <SergioMeneses> omg phillw you're a genius!
[22:13] <phillw> *But, I will ONLY dowmload*
[22:13] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'm not, the people who wrote zsync are the genuises!
[22:19] <SergioMeneses> phillw, jeje ok ok
[22:21] <phillw> SergioMeneses: http://phillw.net/meetbot/ubuntu-quality-chat/2013/ubuntu-quality-chat.2013-02-09-19.02.log.html
[22:24] <SergioMeneses> phillw, I saw your post on fb xD
[22:28] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I thought I'd repeat it here, so anyone interested in zsync could find it as well.
[22:30] <SergioMeneses> phillw, oh sure!
[22:30] <phillw> on the area https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom are some really good links
[22:32] <phillw> balloons: now needs to set up a similar area for his you-tube presentations so we can send people there as well. As well as both links being able to found easily on the ~Testing wiki page :)
[22:33] <balloons> phillw, I blog posted a resources page
[22:33] <balloons> we could convert it to the wiki and link it if you wished
[22:33] <balloons> just a listing of stuff you might need..
[22:33] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I saw your rock starts post too
[22:33] <balloons> tutorials written and video of everything
[22:34] <balloons> :-p
[22:34] <phillw> balloons: we now do have a precident, why not use the ~Classroom area?
[22:35] <phillw> balloons: BTW, I may be doing a quality/testing Jam in Manchester (UK).
[22:35] <balloons> phillw, awesome
[22:38] <SergioMeneses> phillw, thats the spirit!
[22:38] <phillw> SergioMeneses: with regard to the bug 1128597 the release team are really looking into it and discussing it being back-ported (i.e available to older releases). When inifinity asked for patience, I did not think it was a bug fix that needed rolling out to earlier vrsions. This will explain the delay in getting it fix-released quicky.
[22:42] <phillw> SergioMeneses: you, as a tester, are actually allowed onto #ubuntu-release - Us lesser mortals do tend to keep very quiet, as it is on here you would normally ask questions. I only ask the 'Gods' something very rarely, your bug is such an instance.
[22:42] <chilicuil> phillw: lol
[22:43] <SergioMeneses> phillw, looooool
[22:43] <SergioMeneses> those comments from phillw =S
[22:44] <SergioMeneses> o0
[22:44] <phillw> those guys and gals have a lot on their plate, they spend their time prioritising issues. It is not fair to ask them about 'your favorite bug'.
[22:45] <SergioMeneses> those phillw 's comments
[22:47] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ok, i added to my favourites
[22:47] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I only ask about things that affect testing. for me, it is important enough to ask them. They have always been polite and told me where to go when I have an issue and also taken on board an issue that they can dea; with.
[22:47] <phillw> *deal*
[22:49] <SergioMeneses> phillw, sounds like a great group of people
[22:55] <phillw> SergioMeneses: they are, a mix of canonical staff and the advanced 'programmers' from the flavours. Basically, they make the ISO's "happen" all the way from early days to final release. Several of them hang put on here. But, if you want to see how much blood, sweat and tears is put into each release.... That channel will you a spectators seat to watch, their only ask is that it is 'their' channel, and we do not go asking things unless we have a
[22:56] <phillw> s/put on here/out on here
[22:57] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ok, nice advice! i guess
[22:57] <SergioMeneses> xD
[22:59] <phillw> most of the time, I have no idea what they're talking about :P
[22:59] <chilicuil> lol +1
[22:59] <SergioMeneses> phillw, jajajaj
[23:06] <phillw> well, there was a bug fast tracked.
[23:06] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1111690
[23:09] <SergioMeneses> phillw, :O
[23:09] <SergioMeneses> that information is not shared with you
[23:09] <phillw> the bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/1128597 awaits for one the scarce devs to have time to commit it. Frustrating it may be, but it is on the list.
[23:10] <phillw> SergioMeneses: the fix for bug 1111690 is now fully released and people can upload in ~ 24 hours.
[23:12] <SergioMeneses> phillw, sounds really good! but I cant see the information
[23:14] <phillw> SergioMeneses: the 'accepted' bit of http://pastebin.com/uxUXsd0j
[23:15] <SergioMeneses> jajaja
[23:15] <SergioMeneses> phillw, :)
[23:18] <phillw> that will now be built and the bug report will be updated...
[23:22] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'll no doubt get a telling off, but I have asked why the bug status has changed to 'not allowed to be accessed'.
[23:23] <SergioMeneses> phillw, jeje yes, Im in #ubuntu-release too
[23:23] <SergioMeneses> :)
[23:39] <phillw> SergioMeneses: It's been passed to them to argue about.... It is wise to leave and let them discuss things like that :)
[23:40] <SergioMeneses> :)
[23:40] <SergioMeneses> the good thing is that we can see the bug now
[23:52] <phillw> It was 'unexpected' behaviour.
[23:53] <phillw> I will review what they said and check with the bug-squad as to the best option on such an occurance. I've never seen it before.
[23:54] <SergioMeneses> ok, I have to go out phillw anything please let me know
[23:54] <SergioMeneses> see you tomorrow
[23:59] <TheLordOfTime> erm...
[23:59] <TheLordOfTime> phillw, you know well i'm on the bugsquad
[23:59] <TheLordOfTime> and bugcontrol...
[23:59] <TheLordOfTime> any reason you'd not check one of the few who actually *lurks* this channel who only works with bugs? :P