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JanClifeless: what I was pointing at, is that 2 drives failing at the same time usually points to a bad batch00:00
lifelessJanC: but thats the thing, it doesn't.00:00
lifelessJanC: *that* was the point of the google analysis00:01
JanCwell, 2 drives from the same batch failing very prematurely00:02
lifelessJanC: if you run enough arrays - say 10x2TB arrays, even if you multi-batch the drives in every array...00:02
JanCprobably the closer the serial number the more likely the correlation of errors00:03
lifelessI'm curious, did you read the google paper ?00:06
JanCno, but if you see almost all disks from a certain batch fail in less than 2 years, the chance that they fail "together" is quite high...00:08
utterJanC: thanks for help, tracepath and mtr -u works just fine, traceroute refuse to work. I settle for that .00:09
JanCso UDP works but ICMP not?00:09
utterJanC: with mtr i need to use switch -u (UDP) yes00:10
utteri know its not the firewalls since i switched off both hardware router and ufw00:10
JanCsounds like a router or firewall blocking ICMP00:10
utter:P00:10
JanC*somewhere*00:11
uttercould it be ISP blocking, yeah00:11
JanCif it happens for all hosts, sure00:11
uttersince its always times out at hop 3.00:11
utterJanC: many thanks, i am happy now00:12
utter(admits i even switched ethernet cable on the server and eth port)00:12
lifelessJanC: so they have data, you are speculating.00:14
JanClifeless: they have statistics   ;)00:15
utterGood noght Ubuntu <300:16
JanClifeless: did they split up statistics on batch, and provide worst/best case scenarios?  ☺00:16
lifelessJanC: they instrumented every drive in every server, with model age manufacturer service history00:18
lifelessJanC: including IO load00:18
JanClifeless: but the only thing they care about it averages, as they have 100 mirrors to take over00:19
JanCor, more likely, thousands of mirrors00:19
JanCbut if you have a link I'd happily read the paper  ☺00:20
lifelessits trivially googlable. The google paper doesn't talk correlation though; for that there are other papers00:21
lifelesslike http://static.usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder.html00:21
lifelessanyhow, my point is that there is research on this, we don't need to rationalise or guess00:23
zuladam_g:  still around? https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/quantum/quantum-oslo-config/+merge/14918400:25
JanClifeless: that paper says nothing about "bad batches"00:27
JanCwhich is explainable: for Google a bad batch is just a minor issue00:28
lifelessright; the schroeder paper makes a nod to it.00:28
JanCfor a smaller company, a bad batch might be life or death  ;)00:28
lifelessJanC: you like find http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/26/netapp-weighs-in-on-disks/ an interesting read00:31
lifelessJanC: it has some further links.00:33
JanClifeless: yes, will read it tomorrow00:34
JanCit's 1:30am here now ;)00:34
lifelessgnight!00:34
hacostahi.. trying to use vmbuilder's existing chroot feature01:38
deeprogramI download ubuntu server version from "http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?distro=server&bits=64&release=latest" but I get it "ubuntu-12.10-server-amd64.iso" Why amd64 ?01:43
escottdeeprogram, because thats what you downloaded01:47
escottdeeprogram, what did you expect?01:47
deeprogramescott: I don't understand the name "AMD"01:48
deeprogramis it same as AMD CPU ?01:48
escottdeeprogram, its their architecture yes01:48
escottdeeprogram, AMD made it Intel copied it01:48
deeprogramescott: OK. thank you01:49
anon321123hey guys I need some help: I need to setup access to mysql server on a ubuntu server. I opened port 3306 and created a new user for them. To I need to add my new user to mysql group? This is a brand new server. mysql was already set up on it02:29
anon321123anybody home?02:39
holsteinanon321123: yup...02:41
holsteinanon321123: im not sure what you are doing... i wouldnt think you should expose mysql like that02:41
holsteinanon321123: im no expert, which is why i didnt answer, but i typically have ssh access.. via keys, and open ports as needed fore services02:41
holsteinive never exposed msqul and wouldnt have any idea how to do that securely02:42
holsteinall i can say is... can you just give the user ssh access?02:42
anon321123holstein: Hello. Thank you for listening. I am in america. I have a user that sent me an email from the other side of the world saying they need mysql. I set up a login for them. They have ssh access already02:42
holsteinanon321123: they should have access to what they need then02:44
holsteinanon321123: i dont expose mysql like that, and i dont think you should lightly02:45
anon321123holstein: Oh okay. Thank you very much.02:45
holsteinthe question is, why do they need that port open? and what are you providing them? just a database?02:45
anon321123holstein: I am trying tpo setup an environment for them to work in. The message I got was pretty vague and I am very new to all this stuff.02:47
anon321123holstein: I have to run real quick. Be back in a bit if you're still here. Thanks02:47
holsteinanon321123: i would ask for more specifics... what you are setting up seems to me to be very insecure02:52
anon321123holstein: I did a dpkg reconfigure on mysql and deleted the iptables rule for it. I am just going to setup ssh access for them and take it from there. If anythiong is wrong I am sure they will let me know. Thank you03:09
holsteinanon321123: that sounds safer to me.. im sure you'll get it sorted .. good luck!03:21
anon321123holstein: thanks03:34
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koolhead17hi all07:51
cfhowlettkoolhead17, greetings07:51
koolhead17cfhowlett: hi there.07:51
DavieyGuten Morgen08:14
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cfhowlettDaviey, greetings08:16
leotrhello! I found in ubuntu-server-12.04.2.iso image in directory preseed following files: cli.seed, ubuntu-server-minimal.seed, ubuntu-server-minimavm.seed and ubuntu-server.seed. In isolinux/txt.cfg menu there is Install Ubuntu Server option that refers to ubuntu-server.seed. Does anything refer to cli.seed or ubuntu-server-minimal.seed?08:20
koolhead17hola Daviey08:21
Davieyleotr: not from the cd menu superficially, i believe cli and minimal are implied08:29
leotrDaviey: what is the difference between ubuntu-server.seed and ubuntu-server-minimal.seed?08:30
Davieyleotr: diff -u :)08:30
leotrDaviey: have you experience in remastering installation CD?08:33
jamespagemorning all08:34
jamespageyolanda, review required if you have time - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/quantum/oslo-config/+merge/14921708:35
yolandajamespage,s ure08:35
jamespageyolanda, thanks muchely08:35
leotrseems like ubuntu-server-minimal is not so minimal :)08:36
yolandajamespage, why is that new dep?08:36
jamespageyolanda, quantum is the first project to start using oslo-config (openstack shared library)08:37
Davieyleotr: yeah.. you'd hope so :)08:37
jamespageyolanda, it landed in raring yesterday08:37
yolandai approved it08:38
leotrwhat do i need to add to preseed file to make installation of ubuntu-server minimal without any questions (just select menu item and *everything* installs by it's own)08:40
Davieyleotr: You need to look at preseeding.. it's much less complex than i think you are making it :)08:42
Davieyleotr: check out, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/appendix-preseed.html08:43
leotrDaviey: is it difficult to add additional packages to CD and make them installed during installation? Is it difficult to figure out what is required to be written to CD so that no Internet connection is required for that?08:45
leotrsecond question is about packages08:45
Davieyleotr: it's a bit dirty.. but reasonable. http://razvangavril.com/linux-administration/custom-ubuntu-server-iso/ (i wouldn't dpo the kickstart bit)08:46
leotrDaviey: thank you08:48
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RoyKJanC: it's simple statistics, really. nothing more fancy10:07
psivaajamespage: I reported bug 1130029 for raring lxc server post install test failure (test_lxc_api) - both amd64 and i386 are impacted10:45
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1130029 in ubuntu-test-cases "testcase: test_lxc_api returns error in raring lxc server smoke tests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113002910:45
jamespagehallyn, ^^ can you take a look when you start please10:51
jamespagepsivaa, ^^ FYI10:51
psivaajamespage: thanks10:51
Davieyjamespage: Hey, are you uploading ceph to the grizzly CA?11:12
jamespageDaviey, will do11:13
jamespageI pushed a fix for the cluster resource agents last night11:13
jamespageto raring that is11:13
JeevesIk just heard Canonical finally has some ipv6 space!11:17
jamespageadam_g, roaksoax: lets discuss the approach to passing the vip between services for the openstack ha stuff later today11:27
koolhead17jamespage: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg3983923.html11:47
koolhead17hope someone is showing some love to this openVswitch isssue :D11:47
jamespagekoolhead17, two days ahead of you - fixed it on sat - in proposed and verified11:47
koolhead17jamespage: awesome. so will take some time to land on the cloud archive?11:48
jamespagekoolhead17, openvswitch is not in the cloud archive11:48
koolhead17jamespage: ooh ok.11:48
* koolhead17 pokes zul 11:52
jamespagekoolhead17, released to updates now12:04
koolhead17k12:06
jamespageyolanda, erm - I broke something yesterday - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/quantum/fixup-quantum-agent-conf/+merge/14925612:06
jamespageplease could you +112:06
jamespageta12:06
yolandaok12:06
yolandadone12:08
jamespageyolanda, ta12:22
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Ul_hello everybody. I can't get qemu-kvm to use the rbd image as disk. I've configured the kvm xml file to use the monitor, I've created a virsh secret and I've added the <auth> tag to define the authentication. when I want to do a virsh create of the xml file, it says "error connecting" to the monitors. I following the steps shown here http://wiki.skytech.dk/index.php/Ceph_-_howto,_rbd,_lvm,_cluster#KVM_-_add_secret.2Fauth_for_u12:49
pmatuliswhere can i download alpha2 server?  all i found were cloud images13:19
ogra_server didnt participate in alpha213:19
pmatulishm.  thanks ogra_13:20
ogra_like desktop and most other images ... we are moving away from milestones nearly everywhere13:21
Kohelethany reason why recent security updates of kernel are being held back?13:32
pmatulisKoheleth: what security updates?13:36
Kohelethjust found out its for 10.04 lts, not 12.04 :)13:41
cfhowlett... delivers a digital smack13:42
cfhowlettto the head13:42
Kohelethvirtualmin still wants to install though13:42
zuljamespage: quantum broke again14:01
jamespagezul, hag!14:01
zuljamespage: hehe14:01
* zul pokies jamespage with a stick14:01
jamespageImportError: No module named netifaces14:01
jamespageblah!14:02
hallynjamespage: huh, still trying to figure out what the actual error is suppsoed to be.  it says 0 failures.  is it actually whining if there is any output over stderr?14:11
jamespagehallyn, test.sh returned code 214:12
jamespagebut why? nothing in the output14:12
hallynjamespage: I don't have permission to set priorities on utah test cases bugs14:17
jamespagehallyn, ping psivaa14:17
hallynI think psivaa is mad at me for taking so much time at last UDS with libvirt :)14:20
hallynjamespage: so it's been awhile since i've done it - those two commands to run utah tests can just be done on any cloud isntance right?14:20
psivaahallyn: lol no :), i could set the priorities, if you'd want me. and i have asked the UTAH dev team to grant access in the mean time14:20
hallynpsivaa: :)   thanks.  i think that one probably shoudl be high.  btw are you the maintainer of the utah code base?14:22
hallynwhat is the preferred route for updates?  merge proposals?  debdiffs?14:23
psivaahallyn: ok, the priority is set now, but i do not maintain utah code, i'll ask the UTAH dev team to answer that14:25
psivaagema: ^^^ could you please ?14:25
hallynpsivaa: cool, thanks.  see you at uds :)  (btw, that bug - it's still cropping up in various ways!)14:27
gemahallyn: do you have a fix to submit to utah?14:28
psivaahallyn: ack, see you :)14:28
gemahallyn: the preferred method would be a merge proposal14:28
hallyngema: no i don't yet :)  but i will14:29
gemahallyn: excellent, thanks14:29
gemawe will be looking out for it14:29
* hallyn goes to hide 14:30
gemahehe14:30
gemahallyn: smoke testing bugs always get fasttracked :)14:30
smbzul, hallyn, One of you care to sponsor a little upload of libvirt to raring? chinstrap:~smb/4review14:30
zulsmb:  sure14:31
smbzul, ta, the changelog should be obvious ... *growl*14:31
Davieylolz14:37
zulsmb: looks good to me do you want to have a look hallyn14:39
hallynuh, ok14:40
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smbhallyn, FWIW, I also tested in on my Xen box. ;)14:43
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hallynsmb: zul: ok.  did builders actually refuse to apply the patch without htat (seemingly trivial) refresh?14:46
hallynsmb: zul: in any case, looks good, thx14:46
zulhallyn: i might have disabled it by mistake14:46
hallynright, i see that14:46
hallynzul: oh hey,14:46
smbhallyn, zul, I guess it was an interruption while doing it and then, meh14:47
hallynsheepdog - there's a request to enable it.  can it be optioanlly enabled, or would libvirt need to build-dep on something in universe?14:47
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zuli think you would need to do a MIR for sheepdog14:49
hallyncouldn't just have it in Suggests?14:51
hallyn(i have no idea how it is hooked up...)14:51
zulneither do i14:51
hallynoh aren't you the maintainer for sheepdog?14:51
hallynok well i don't have time to mess with that today, else i'd try a test build and run...14:52
hallyni'll comment on the bug then (i just figured you'd know offhand :)14:52
hallynthx - ttyl14:52
zulsmb: uploaded14:54
smbzul, yay :)14:55
jamespagezul: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/horizon/g3-recompress/+merge/14929014:57
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jamespagezul, I'm not promoting nodejs15:02
jamespagezul, I don't believe its supportable in main15:02
zuljamespage:  neither am i15:02
leotrHello! I tried to create installation dischttp://razvangavril.com/linux-administration/custom-ubuntu-server-iso/. I added extra packages but now i get error unable to locate package-name (package is in extra directory)15:02
jamespagezul, fixing quantum now15:08
zuljamespage: cool im still stuck on quantum15:08
jamespagecinder?15:09
zulrtslib changes15:10
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HarisHello all15:24
Harisdoes ubuntu/debian named kickstart file as "preseed" file15:25
Harisname+15:25
Harisfrom ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet#Advanced:_Hands-Off.2C_Preseeded_Network_Server_Install ) is this ( preseed/url=http://192.168.1.7/preseed-feisty.cfg ) the kickstart file mentioned under point #5 ?15:25
HarisI need to build a kickstart/preseed file,a basic one, for a minimal install on a remote box. I have a pxe active with 12.0.4.2 LTS imported via cobbler15:26
leotrHaris no15:27
HarisI was looking at -> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt15:29
leotrkickstart file is produced by kickstart utility, preseed is different thing. But both can be used at the same time15:30
Harisdo we have an example kickstart to 12.0.4 lts ?15:31
leotrhttp://razvangavril.com/linux-administration/custom-ubuntu-server-iso/15:31
jamespagezul, yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/quantum/python-netifaces/+merge/14931215:34
jamespageseems I like fixing quantum15:34
Hariswhy do I need to have an ISO ? I don't have interactive access to the box I need to install 12.0.4 on15:34
Haris12.04+15:34
zuljamespage:  heh just poke it with a stick and it will fall apart15:34
zuljamespage: there is a quantum-plugin-hyperv package?15:35
jamespagezul, yeah - I did that over the weekend - its currently empty as I managed to not include the install file in my branch15:36
zullgtm15:36
jamespagezul, thinking about revisiting the way the plugins work to be a little more automatic15:36
zuljamespage: agreed15:37
leotrHaris: you don't need it... Just wanted to show you that kickstart and preseed are different things15:37
Harisah, thank you!15:37
Harischecking it15:38
leotrHaris: but both can be used for unattended installations15:38
HarisI see15:39
leotrHaris, but currently i couldn't add extra packages... The way it shown in tutorial doesn't work15:39
leotrpackage not found error... but kickstart itself works15:40
leotrbut you have network connection so it shouldn't be important for you15:40
zuljamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/cinder/cinder-refresh/+merge/14931715:50
jamespagezul, looking15:53
jamespagezul: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/keystone/grizzly-refresh-01/+merge/14932015:53
zuljamespage: looking15:54
zuljamespage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oslo-config/+bug/113019615:57
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1130196 in oslo-config "[MIR] oslo-config" [High,New]15:57
Harisdoes having a seperate partition for /boot help ?16:01
jamespagezul, looks borked "Starting cinder-volume node (version <cinder.openstack.common.version.VersionInfo object at 0x2a9be10>)"16:05
zuljamespage:  well that sucks16:05
HarisI need an example ks file for ubuntu. I have a template from centos. But its not working. I'v specified language in it. But the 12.04 installer asks me for language. Also, it asks me for cdrom failure. Where-as I'm not looking to install via cdrom. I'm installing this box via pxe16:21
Harisalso, why does the pxebooted installer of 12.04 ask me for existence of cdrom ?16:33
eutheriasuggestions to which imap server would be fastest to deploy?16:37
phunyguyhey folks, I am trying to use motion to capture a security camera, and the only way it will work is with  LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so before the command.  How can I add that to the init script in /etc/init.d ?16:37
phunyguynevermind.  I got it.  `export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so` in the init script16:49
Harishow do I specify a network server or archive from where ubuntu will fetch files for installing 12.04, rather than asking for a cdrom17:06
Harisis this something I can do in the kickstart file17:06
smoserSpamapS, i'd really love SRU team lvoe to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=cloud-init17:13
SpamapSsmoser: bug 1005551 needs a test case17:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1005551 in cloud-init "update-grub-legacy-ec2 ignores kernels named -generic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100555117:18
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smoserSpamapS, i can do that.17:20
SpamapSsmoser: ok, it looks good otherwise, will accept as soon as test case is there :)17:22
hallynjamespage: when I try to reproduce the utah lxc failure, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1683416/17:59
smoserSpamapS, updated. i'll fix it up a bit, but theres a resonable description/test case there now.18:11
smoserthank you18:11
SpamapSsmoser: np, accpting now :)18:26
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smosersmb, stupid question.18:32
smoserbut how do i get the quantal/backport/whatever-its-called kernel in 12.0418:32
RoyKsmoser: running quantal?18:34
smoserRoyK, 12.0418:34
RoyKwhy do you need another kernel?18:36
RoyK(and why do you run quantal on a server?)18:36
smoserRoyK, 12.04.2 installations now install a 3.5 kernel (ie, the one from quantal).18:37
smoseri'm asking how i can install that kernel into a system that was previously installed.18:37
jcastrosmoser: there's a wiki page, sec18:37
smoserjcastro, http://askubuntu.com/questions/168218/will-ubuntu-12-04-1-include-the-new-linux-kernel <-- that didn't help me as much as it coiuld have.18:38
jcastroI'll fix that once I find this page18:38
smoser(someone asked you about a kernel, and you told them about X)18:38
jcastrothere's an entire page on how this works18:39
jcastrobut unfortunately for us it's in the ubuntu wiki18:39
RoyKdoes 12.04.2 install with 3.5?18:39
jcastroyeah it's part of the enablement stack18:40
RoyKthat doesn't make sense - the point of LTS is to be *stable*18:40
smoserhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop18:40
jcastroonly new installs get the new kernel18:40
smoserRoyK, if you installed previously, you do not magically get the new kernels18:40
smosernew installs get new kernels.18:40
RoyKbut why?18:41
smoserto support new hardware is the primary motivation18:41
RoyKthe whole point of LTS is to remain stable18:41
jcastrohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack18:41
jcastrothere it is dude18:41
adam_gSpamapS: if you're still sitting at your SRU queue master console, there happens to be the openstack 2012.2.3 in queue for quantal as well (nova, glance, horizon, cinder, quantum)18:41
smoserthose *$%& hardware companies keep making new stuff.18:41
smoserjcastro, yeah, ifound that soon after you used the world 'enablement'18:41
RoyKsmoser: still, it doesn't make sense18:41
jcastrowell, the LTS needs new kernels to work on newer hardware18:42
SpamapSRoyK: the *only* point of point release LTS's is to enable new hardware.18:42
RoyKadd new PCI IDs etc, but don't upgrade the kernel to something bleeding-edge18:42
jcastrootherwise, 6 months after an LTS release all of a sudden it doesn't install on an increasing number of systems18:42
SpamapSRoyK: if you don't like the new kernel, install w/ older point release.18:42
RoyKI still like the old model better18:43
SpamapSRoyK: I think the problem is the overhead of maintaining so many kernel trees.18:43
jcastroIMO the release notes should be clearer about that, I can imagine people installing the point release thinking they're getting the same thing as they did before but with slipstreamed updates.18:43
SpamapSadam_g: ouch, thats a much bigger ball of wax. Since its been 2 weeks, I'll carve out some SRU time tomorrow which is my normal day.18:44
adam_gSpamapS: thanks.  you might notice some changes to the way we're preparing changelogs + bug tags after discussion in #ubuntu-release a few weeks back. let me know if you have questions18:46
RoyKthe problem with moving to a new kernel for an LTS release is new bugs. with new code, there's always new bugs. If there are new drivers, backporting them would be better. PCI IDs etc are added all the time, and doesn't take much time to add18:47
jcastrosmoser: I've fixed up that AU answer, thanks.18:52
SpamapSRoyK: dunno if you've noticed, but people test things now. Its no longer about reducing change, its about managing it. But I do agree with you that the decision was probably made a little too lightly.18:56
jcastroI think it should have been more obvious in the release notes, etc.18:57
jcastroit took me way to long to find that wiki page18:57
SpamapSI wonder if that kernel breaks my macbook air's touchpad the way quantal/raring have.18:57
RoyKI'm still sceptical about introducing new kernels into an LTS release18:59
jcastrothey're only for new installs on the new media18:59
jcastroLTS machines won't get an upgrade to a new kernel or anything like that.19:00
jcastroand I suppose the data from errors.ubuntu.com will let us know right away19:00
RoyKstill sceptical - LTS should be *stable*19:02
sarnoldthe proliferation of UEFA on new hardware makes it a bit impractical to wait until 14.04 for a new LTS.. this did seem least bad of available options19:03
jcastroindeed19:03
RoyKsarnold: if redhat/centos gets away with it, why not ubuntu?19:16
RoyKimho the LTS releases should be rock stable, meaning no major kernel upgrades nor major package upgrades, just backports for fixe19:19
RoyKfixes19:19
RoyKif this is changed to upgrading kernel just to add new hw support, it means LTS is no longer LTS19:20
RoyKit's moving towards the cutting edge19:20
RoyKthat's what the non-LTS releases are for19:20
patdk-wkthere are no more non-lts releases now19:23
patdk-wkatleast from that blog post I was reading, lts was going remain lts19:24
patdk-wkthought the new model was suppost to be, rolling releases, with backports to lts19:24
RoyKpatdk-wk: well, if 12.04.2 has a new kernel, it's not really LTS, is it?19:31
patdk-wkhmm, mine doesn't, odd19:34
sarnolda fresh install does get the new kernel. updates have to ask for it by name.19:34
patdk-wkoh, I installed from 12.04.1 like a day before .2 came out19:34
patdk-wksarnold, so how does that work?19:35
patdk-wksecurity patchs will go into both kernels?19:35
sarnoldpatdk-wk: I think so, what with it just being the quantal kernel it might not even be extra work. not sure. :)19:36
patdk-wkya, but quantal support ends long before lts19:36
sarnoldpatdk-wk: based on a (too quick) skim of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack it looks a bit like we'd be offering stacks from the newer releases (if they happen) along the way19:37
patdk-wkyuk19:40
patdk-wkthey are unsupported19:41
patdk-wkso if you install a 12.04.2+ cd, you will get a limited support kernel19:41
patdk-wkand will be forced to ugprade to the 14.04 stack to maintain support19:41
patdk-wkunder item 919:42
patdk-wkor, item 1019:42
jcastroyeah that sounds right19:53
jcastroyou'd be on interim kernels until the next LTS19:54
patdk-wkif that was an installer-time option, I would be happy19:55
jcastroyeah, but it looks like at the time there were CD image issues19:55
jcastroI would expect in the future you'd choose at the installer level in your preseed or whatever19:56
jcastrobut 2 ISOs isn't unmanageable19:56
patdk-wkguess for me, I have no point updating my local lib to .219:56
jcastrojust keep using the old ISO and you'll be fine19:56
jcastroexisting LTS boxes won't get new kernel upgrades19:57
RoyKjcastro: that still doesn't make sense - LTS should be *stable* and no new kernels should arrive in such a distro19:57
RoyKeven though it's in a new iso19:57
patdk-wkin the distro is fine, by default, I have issues with19:58
patdk-wkthe option to use kernel kernels have always existed19:58
patdk-wknewer19:58
RoyKwell, the option of doing a kernel upgrade is fine19:59
RoyKbut a new kernel being the default with 12.04.2 is *not* fine19:59
patdk-wkno, that makes sense even, that is when you know you need it19:59
patdk-wkbut to do it without telling you, :)19:59
patdk-wksounds like an, alt-cd image feature though20:01
RoyKpatdk-wk: really, a new kernel in an LTS doesn't make sense20:19
SpamapSRoyK: as I said, I think the kernel team is stretched too thin to keep all of the hardware backporting going on so many LTS trees. Trying to auto-detect what kernel you will need is pretty close to impossible....20:32
RoyKSpamapS: ok20:33
SpamapSRoyK: so if you want old kernel -> 12.04.1 + updates. If you can't boot 12.04.1 because of new hardware.. try 12.04.2 ...20:33
SpamapSRoyK: a lot more supportable from Ubuntu's standpoint that way.20:33
RoyKSpamapS: is it that bad?20:33
SpamapSRoyK: with desktop LTS support extending to 5 years, yes I think it is20:37
RoyKserver and desktop should be split in that tense20:39
SpamapSRoyK: yeah, I think having the two diverge a lot would be just as much of a nightmare though.20:44
RoyKimho LTS should be rock stable20:45
RoyKno new versions should be allowed20:45
RoyKonly backports20:45
RoyKnon-lts should have new things20:46
lifelessall software sucks20:46
lifelesssoftware that sucks will have security bugs20:46
RoyKthat's what it used to be20:46
lifelessso no new versions -> vulnerable software20:46
RoyKyes, but using new software in LTS breaks things20:46
RoyKand makes LTS != LTS20:46
CombatjuanHello.  I have server with some watchdog processes that are going nuts.  top shows them as using 330% CPU occassionally and having logged more CPU time than anything else.21:08
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CombatjuanThe last thing I want to do is make this server reboot.  I'm not sure how to go about figuring out why they're mad, and I don't want to set off the watchdog restart bomb.21:09
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GeorgeTorwelldoes anyone know where I can see a list of abstractions for apparmor23:02
sarnoldGeorgeTorwell: ls /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/23:03
sarnoldcripes there's a lot :)23:04
GeorgeTorwellthanks23:04
sliddjurWhen restoring files with duplicity restore how to restore all files from latest backup and overwrite current files?23:16
sliddjur"Duplicity will not overwrite an existing file. Here's the output if a change is made to the script above to restore the file to /etc/apt/sources.list:" (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto)23:17
sliddjurcan I force overwrite?23:17
holsteinsliddjur: you could remove the targets23:20
sliddjuru mean restore to another location?23:21
holsteinor that...23:21
sliddjurholstein: what do you mean remove targets then?23:22
holsteinsliddjur: if duplicity will not overwrite an existing file, then remove the existing file... otherwise i see some "force" options in the man pages23:23
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sliddjurholstein: I only see force options on the delete backup switches23:27
holsteinsliddjur: me too, thats why i suggested removing the targets, or just use rsync23:27
sliddjurhmm. what would be a good way to restore the /etc dir upon a system crash?23:38

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