| sayd | any sneak preview pics? | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| IdleOne | probably not till the countdown is up | 00:10 |
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| ubuntubhoy | with under 3 hours on the clock, I thought it might have been busier in here | 13:02 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 13:03 |
| ubuntubhoy | need to get in early to get the best seats | 13:04 |
| smartboyhw | ubuntubhoy, there aren't any *seats* | 13:04 |
| ubuntubhoy | In my imagination there are | 13:04 |
| ubuntubhoy | big comfy ones down at the front | 13:04 |
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| GuidoPallemans | less than one hour to go... | 15:09 |
| mcmullins | are they going to have a google hangout, or anything like that again? | 15:09 |
| nOStahl | its going to be a 20 dollar tablet with dual core and 2 gigs of ram with ubuntu on it | 15:24 |
| IdleOne | heh, wishful thinking? | 15:25 |
| nOStahl | with HTC subsidizing | 15:26 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 15:26 |
| mainerror | This list seems to be outdated, eh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList | 15:27 |
| wdnz | gah. I can't wait another 30 minutes to find out. | 15:28 |
| IdleOne | you waited 23.5 hrs, you're going to give up now when you can see the finish line? | 15:29 |
| mcmullins | Don't worry, once you find out, you'll have to wait another year before you can buy it :P | 15:30 |
| nOStahl | leave him IdleOne he's down and out! | 15:30 |
| * genii-around makes a pot of coffee and hands out the mugs | 15:31 | |
| wdnz | cheers | 15:31 |
| * mcmullins cheers | 15:31 | |
| nOStahl | speaking of that… I better go make myself an Americano before I get a headache from lack of caffeine | 15:31 |
| mainerror | Tick, tock. :D | 15:34 |
| mainerror | Soon. | 15:35 |
| genii-around | I imagine it will have Ubuntu for Mobile | 15:39 |
| nOStahl | uTouch :P | 15:43 |
| mcmullins | genii-around, I hope it has the mobile version | 15:44 |
| DJones | When I left home this morning, HTC.com and Ubuntu.com's countdown timers where matching, now htc's is 3 minutes faster, I guess they're going for an early unveiling | 15:44 |
| mcmullins | I'd rather have a complete rethink of the unity interface, than have 3 different Unities that we have to try to smash together | 15:44 |
| genii-around | I figure it will be a 10" version of the Flyer, with probably a quad core | 15:47 |
| nOStahl | the timers match up perfectly DJones | 15:48 |
| IdleOne | depends who's looking at the clock | 15:48 |
| DJones | nOStahl: I see a 3 minute difference | 15:49 |
| nOStahl | what part of the world | 15:49 |
| IdleOne | 1 minute diff here | 15:49 |
| wdnz | 0.2 milisecond diff here. | 15:50 |
| genii-around | From here the timers sync up, HTC 1 minute fast | 15:50 |
| nOStahl | are they going to announce anything in here too? | 15:50 |
| IdleOne | probably/maybe | 15:52 |
| guest1__ | what i thought the htc timer was for the htc one ... | 15:54 |
| AlanBell | HTC have done their bit already, nothing to do with us | 15:54 |
| * vibhav bites nails | 15:54 | |
| nOStahl | 5 min! | 15:54 |
| vibhav | Time is going slow. | 15:54 |
| vibhav | Very slow. | 15:55 |
| nOStahl | and everyone's quiet now lol starting to stare at their screens | 15:57 |
| blow | 2 min | 15:57 |
| nOStahl | !! it ended and said just kidding! | 15:59 |
| blow | does anyone want to talk about mickey mouse while we wait? | 15:59 |
| blow | 30 seconds | 15:59 |
| blow | 20 | 15:59 |
| blow | 15 | 15:59 |
| blow | 10 | 15:59 |
| wdnz | 10 | 15:59 |
| blow | 5 | 15:59 |
| blow | 4 | 15:59 |
| blow | 3 | 15:59 |
| blow | 2 | 16:00 |
| blow | 7 | 16:00 |
| blow | 1 | 16:00 |
| blow | k=lol | 16:00 |
| mainerror | nice | 16:00 |
| wdnz | loadddinnnggg | 16:00 |
| vibhav | It's spinning | 16:00 |
| mainerror | Of course the servers are going down. | 16:00 |
| blow | and then it hangs... | 16:00 |
| mcmullins | aaaaand server crash | 16:00 |
| mcmullins | 503 | 16:00 |
| blow | and then it hangs... | 16:00 |
| blow | and hangs... | 16:00 |
| vibhav | And it's down | 16:00 |
| netcurli | impossible.. ubuntu server doesn't crash :P | 16:01 |
| vibhav | Wait, it's up | 16:01 |
| genii-around | Hehe | 16:01 |
| mainerror | netcurli: Ubuntu didn't crash but the webserver. :) | 16:01 |
| mcmullins | you think they would have expected this from the Phone announcement >_< | 16:01 |
| blow | should i reload the page? | 16:01 |
| AlanBell | if you left the timer spinning it would do a refresh after 30 seconds | 16:01 |
| blow | hmm maybe i should wait... | 16:01 |
| genii-around | blow: Probably not | 16:01 |
| wdnz | s..should I refresh? | 16:01 |
| blow | wdnz i have just done that... | 16:02 |
| IdleOne | htc.com didn't crash | 16:02 |
| vibhav | Heh | 16:02 |
| mcmullins | push F5 as quick as you can | 16:02 |
| nOStahl | hah i got a 503 error | 16:02 |
| mcmullins | acutally scratch that | 16:02 |
| charis | The HTC media event has passed without mention of anything Ubuntu. This rumour is therefore squashed. | 16:02 |
| mcmullins | loop a curl | 16:02 |
| vibhav | Indeed | 16:02 |
| netcurli | http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4004336/ubuntu-touch-developer-preview-download-nexus-tablets | 16:02 |
| genii-around | The servers are probably being hammered already, refreshing it just will make it worse | 16:02 |
| mosimo | http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet | 16:03 |
| mosimo | working, but slow | 16:04 |
| vibhav | 503 :( | 16:04 |
| mosimo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=1 | 16:04 |
| mosimo | that just hityoutube too | 16:04 |
| nOStahl | I got video of it crashing to 503 error heh | 16:04 |
| blow | www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablets | 16:05 |
| blow | no s | 16:05 |
| blow | www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet | 16:05 |
| nOStahl | lol i don't think ubuntu has experienced this much traffic before lol | 16:06 |
| blow | haha | 16:06 |
| mosimo | and this isnt even the release for it | 16:06 |
| blow | nOStahl well, its the biggest channel here at freenode | 16:06 |
| mosimo | just the announcement | 16:06 |
| IdleOne | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=1 | 16:06 |
| mosimo | Find out when it’s here | 16:06 |
| mosimo | If you’re not in the mobile industry, but you’re as excited as we are about Ubuntu on tablets, we can alert you by email when the first device is released. | 16:06 |
| ptl | hi | 16:07 |
| ptl | will the new tablet interface be available to the nexus 7? | 16:07 |
| mosimo | probably yea | 16:07 |
| k1l | is there something like the code released? or is it just an announcment? (like for the -phone) | 16:08 |
| waspinator | lol video looks like apple ad | 16:08 |
| mosimo | just annoucement | 16:08 |
| mosimo | phone source is in 2 days | 16:08 |
| mosimo | probably tablet later on | 16:08 |
| mainerror | You know, that's quite impressive. | 16:09 |
| genii-around | Meh. That was... anti-climactic | 16:11 |
| IdleOne | isn't it always | 16:11 |
| vibhav | Okay | 16:11 |
| waspinator | side stage? looks like windows snap | 16:12 |
| ptl | phone source is in 2 days -> just ordered a nexus 4 :D | 16:12 |
| ptl | just for that | 16:12 |
| vibhav | This is gorgeous | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | so is this a good excuse to get a nexus 10? | 16:15 |
| nOStahl | did you guys see that at end of video! the phone dock into a laptop shell | 16:15 |
| nOStahl | err a tablet shell | 16:15 |
| nOStahl | !!! | 16:16 |
| nOStahl | just want i've been wanting | 16:16 |
| waspinator | that's just a possibility. nexus 4/10 doesn't do that | 16:16 |
| mosimo | asus padfone thingy does though | 16:16 |
| Kroach | what the hell was a Windows window doing on Ubuntu in the end part of the tablet video? | 16:16 |
| mosimo | thin client | 16:16 |
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| not_technical | glad i just got a nexus 7. will definitely try this out, before getting attached to android... :) | 16:17 |
| mosimo | well you're going to be waiting a bit for the tablet version | 16:18 |
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| AlanBell | is it me, or are all the pictures and videos showing the tablet in landscape orientation? | 16:18 |
| waspinator | thin client isn't ready yet for regular users is it? | 16:18 |
| AlanBell | and all the phone stuff in portrait? | 16:18 |
| AlanBell | waspinator: thin client is fine if you like that sort of thing | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | rdp is mostly a solved problem | 16:19 |
| mosimo | http://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/img/devices/tablet-home-portrait.jpg | 16:19 |
| mosimo | portrait tablet :P | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | thanks mosimo | 16:19 |
| waspinator | but I mean there is no GUI to say do: "connect to my windows computer and integrate all its apps into ubuntu" | 16:19 |
| flintser | ubuntu tablet and phone, musthave(tm) | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | also a portrait welcome screen on the ubuntu.com homepage | 16:20 |
| waspinator | you still need a sysadmin to do it for you right? | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | waspinator: if your windows computer is running the rdp server stuff then you can use remmina to view them | 16:20 |
| waspinator | ya but that looks ugly. I mean having word in the unity launcher | 16:21 |
| AlanBell | I think you need special stuff on the windows side to do individual application remoting | 16:21 |
| waspinator | make it seamless | 16:21 |
| waspinator | so it's not ready for end users yet... too bad | 16:21 |
| AlanBell | yeah, windows is not ready for end users | 16:21 |
| AlanBell | ;) | 16:22 |
| nOStahl | with all this, theres going to be a hipster movement away from apple to using ubuntu I fear :P | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | they will get there one day perhaps | 16:22 |
| mainerror | I think there's something I don't understand about YouTube. That video was viewed 301 times but it got 565 thumbs-up and 5 thumbs-down. How's that even possible? :D | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | mainerror: youtube bug, all videos stop at 301 for ages | 16:23 |
| waspinator | lol. well windows runs word pretty well. ideally I would swtich all my pcs to ubuntu and just have a windows 'server' running somewhere hosting the apps I still need. | 16:23 |
| mainerror | AlanBell: for real? | 16:23 |
| auc | youtube caches some of that data :) it will be updated eventually | 16:23 |
| AlanBell | mainerror: http://www.seroundtable.com/youtube-301-views-15347.html | 16:23 |
| rewarp | mainerror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkhgagvrjI | 16:23 |
| mainerror | wow, I'm slow on those things ._. | 16:23 |
| rewarp | I only know because I follow the numberphile channel on YouTube. | 16:24 |
| mosimo | its not a bug. its intentional | 16:24 |
| waspinator | I think it's kinda false advertising to show word running so seamlessly on the tablet though. since it's such a promoted feature they should get that to work asap | 16:24 |
| mosimo | they do it and manually check videos to make sure the views are legit | 16:24 |
| mosimo | when they are the counter continues | 16:24 |
| mosimo | when approved rather* | 16:24 |
| AlanBell | waspinator: it will work fine like that, the tablet side shouldn't have a problem with it, you just have to run citrix terminal server on the windows side | 16:25 |
| mosimo | run xenapp to have application only instead of fulldesktop like in the video too | 16:25 |
| mosimo | or similar | 16:25 |
| waspinator | at prohibitive costs I'm sue | 16:26 |
| AlanBell | waspinator: sure, but it will be standard when Windows is ready for end users | 16:26 |
| waspinator | right ok. I'm not sure windows is going to be eager to put itself out of business | 16:27 |
| mosimo | microsoft aren't the ones doing the only programs to allow you to do it | 16:27 |
| mosimo | citrix, vmware | 16:28 |
| waspinator | ya but that's the only way it'll become standard | 16:28 |
| flintser | AlanBell: citrix costs, i bet noone wants to run paid software to get word on ubuntu :) | 16:28 |
| nOStahl | why do you need word btw | 16:28 |
| waspinator | word is just an example | 16:28 |
| nOStahl | I have several offices all setup with libreoffice and they get along just fine | 16:29 |
| waspinator | mine would kill me | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | I have no idea why you would want to do it either | 16:29 |
| waspinator | mark thinks its a good idea | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | in the demo Excel does not appear in the launcher | 16:29 |
| mosimo | i'd like it | 16:29 |
| mosimo | protip: video isnt a live demo | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I know | 16:30 |
| mosimo | i've got many windows apps that i'd like to be running on it | 16:31 |
| mosimo | so running it thin client style would be nice for me | 16:31 |
| mosimo | im the sole it guy at my work and always carrying round my nexus 7 with my | 16:31 |
| AlanBell | I like the side shelf thing | 16:32 |
| ubuntubhoy | I think it looks fantastic | 16:32 |
| mosimo | have been considering getting a microsoft surface pro | 16:32 |
| * AlanBell ponders buying a nexus 10 | 16:32 | |
| waspinator | looks like a copy of windows snap | 16:32 |
| ubuntubhoy | I also want it on my netbook over a desktop install if thats possible | 16:32 |
| z2s8 | Where can we download it please? | 16:32 |
| mosimo | cant yet | 16:32 |
| AlanBell | z2s8: thursday | 16:32 |
| z2s8 | Thx | 16:32 |
| mosimo | that's phone source | 16:33 |
| netcurli | according to theverge, the Touch Developer Preview will also include the tablet interface | 16:34 |
| AlanBell | I would be inclined to believe that as it is an embargoed article and not a rushed one after the announcement | 16:34 |
| waspinator | magic edges are similar to windows too | 16:35 |
| waspinator | I wonder what service they'll use for voice recognition | 16:36 |
| waspinator | anyone think that QML will be what ubuntu desktop is built on soon? | 16:37 |
| mosimo | ill still run xfce on my laptop | 16:39 |
| qengho | Good to know! | 16:39 |
| AlanBell | waspinator: I would think that is very probable | 16:41 |
| mosimo | it wouldnt suprise me if they did | 16:41 |
| waspinator | is that what gives the fluidity? I'd love my desktop to be that fluid | 16:41 |
| mosimo | would need a lot of tweaking to adapt it for desktop with proper multitasking | 16:42 |
| M4rtinK | so no hardware ? :) | 16:44 |
| waspinator | nexus 4/7/10 for now | 16:44 |
| M4rtinK | let me paraphrase an internet meme: "HW or it didn't happen" :) | 16:44 |
| M4rtinK | there are quite a lot of more or less working tablet UIs (Nemo, Cordia, Plasma Active, Ubuntu Tablet, ...) | 16:45 |
| M4rtinK | but no device you can order online with one of those installed | 16:46 |
| waspinator | same could be said for pretty much anything linux | 16:46 |
| waspinator | besides android | 16:46 |
| M4rtinK | well, it is much easier to install a Linux distro on a PC | 16:47 |
| M4rtinK | quite a bit harder on embedded devices with the lack of standardization & many binary blobs | 16:48 |
| waspinator | maybe that's the problem. make linux easy to install on phones and tablets | 16:48 |
| M4rtinK | yep, that's also a solution | 16:48 |
| M4rtinK | but the announcement seems to be (again!) targeted on manufacturers | 16:49 |
| M4rtinK | or are there already some images one can install on some COTS tablet ? | 16:50 |
| waspinator | images will come out for the nexus line on the 21st | 16:51 |
| AlanBell | it was a countdown to a press release, the real stuff is on the 21st | 16:51 |
| M4rtinK | waspinator: did they confirm they will also release tablet images ? | 16:52 |
| M4rtinK | well, probably yes :) | 16:53 |
| M4rtinK | it doesn't seem to be that different | 16:53 |
| waspinator | not sure, but OMG says so | 16:54 |
| M4rtinK | I really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake | 16:55 |
| Abhijit | hello | 16:56 |
| Abhijit | congrats to canonical team and ubuntu team for such nice work. | 16:56 |
| Abhijit | :-) | 16:56 |
| Abhijit | looking forward to hear product launch. | 16:56 |
| M4rtinK | which unfortunately happens quite often for mobile OSes | 16:56 |
| Abhijit | i am talking about ubuntu\ | 16:57 |
| Abhijit | not all mobile ossssss | 16:57 |
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| M4rtinK | I was reffering to: 17:55 <M4rtinK> I really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake | 16:59 |
| Abhijit | ok | 17:00 |
| humanbeing | So why did they design the desktop-Unity like a touch-interface? | 17:04 |
| waspinator | desktop unity is probably just a stopgap before they move everything to qml | 17:07 |
| AlanBell | wonder what the side shelf looks like in portrait mode | 17:08 |
| Abhijit | is ubuntu sdk available for other linux distro? | 17:08 |
| ubuntubhoy | AlanBell: probably crap - also does it switch to portrait ? | 17:08 |
| waspinator | maybe it moves to the bottom and makes the phone bit landscape | 17:09 |
| AlanBell | dunno, there are some shots of it portrait | 17:09 |
| AlanBell | as far as I am aware nobody has seen the phone change orientation, it is all portrait | 17:10 |
| humanbeing | waspinator: this would be cool. You could easily develope one programm for all platforms | 17:10 |
| humanbeing | *devices | 17:11 |
| waspinator | I think that's their plan | 17:12 |
| * wdnz is away (leaving) | 17:26 | |
| === wdnz is now known as wdnz-gone | ||
| mcmullins | So.. anyone else surprised by mono-develop? | 17:34 |
| mosimo | what about it? | 17:34 |
| mcmullins | It's interesting that Ubuntu is attempting to support native windows code | 17:35 |
| mosimo | what's monodevelop got to do with ubuntu? | 17:35 |
| waspinator | wait is mono-develop part of the SDK? | 17:35 |
| mcmullins | http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/monodevelop/ | 17:35 |
| mosimo | oh | 17:36 |
| mosimo | nothing wrong with that | 17:36 |
| mosimo | its just another language | 17:36 |
| waspinator | oh I thought they were building their own VS/xcode using mono-develop | 17:36 |
| mcmullins | 2 languages | 17:36 |
| waspinator | they really should build their own IDE | 17:37 |
| mcmullins | Seems like they're relying a lot on QtCreator | 17:38 |
| waspinator | ya maybe they should tweak it and rebrand it as ubuntu development studio or something | 17:38 |
| waspinator | like so many companies do with eclipse | 17:39 |
| nOStahl | wish eclipse had git-flow plugin | 17:46 |
| nOStahl | i use Aptana Studio 3 (web development tweaked version of eclipse) | 17:47 |
| PTAlisPT__ | Hello! Could someone tell me what exacty is needed to run ubuntu on a tablet? | 17:48 |
| waspinator | a nexus 7/10 | 17:49 |
| PTAlisPT__ | I mean, not an Asus one | 17:49 |
| PTAlisPT__ | Yeah, but those are not that cheap | 17:49 |
| PTAlisPT__ | And their hardware could be better | 17:49 |
| waspinator | they have a pretty good price-perfomance ratio | 17:49 |
| PTAlisPT__ | I've seen some quad core tablets with 2 gb of ram for 200eur | 17:49 |
| PTAlisPT__ | And that is what really makes the thing interesting | 17:50 |
| waspinator | wait for the nexus 7v2 in may | 17:50 |
| Tm_T | PTAlisPT__: like which one? | 17:50 |
| waspinator | should be that price range | 17:50 |
| PTAlisPT__ | Like these Onda v972 Quad Ramos w30 Quad Nova 10 Quad FreeLander PD80 Vogue Quad ICOO ICOU10GT Quad PiPO MAX M9 Quad | 17:50 |
| PTAlisPT__ | The Quad part is not needed | 17:50 |
| PTAlisPT__ | That was a list I made | 17:50 |
| PTAlisPT__ | I think the PiPo has great quality | 17:51 |
| PTAlisPT__ | But it is only on presale | 17:51 |
| PTAlisPT__ | The ramos is very high quality too | 17:51 |
| PTAlisPT__ | Some of them look suspicious, I mean, they may bee a piece of chineese crap | 17:52 |
| waspinator | nexus 7 is only $200USD | 17:52 |
| PTAlisPT__ | But some are really damn good! | 17:52 |
| waspinator | thats less than 200E | 17:52 |
| PTAlisPT__ | But it is only 7" | 17:52 |
| PTAlisPT__ | I would like to have a 10" | 17:52 |
| PTAlisPT__ | And 2gb of ram our more, quad core processor and Gpu 2d/3d acceleration | 17:53 |
| waspinator | probably going to have to wait for a while longer | 17:53 |
| PTAlisPT__ | (For the mali-400 MP4 or the powervr sg) | 17:53 |
| PTAlisPT__ | :-( | 17:53 |
| PTAlisPT__ | *sgx | 17:53 |
| PTAlisPT__ | sgx 540 I think | 17:53 |
| waspinator | or save up for the nexus10 | 17:53 |
| PTAlisPT__ | That's really sad | 17:53 |
| PTAlisPT__ | Yeah | 17:53 |
| PTAlisPT__ | Does the nexus 7 have 3d acceleration»? | 17:54 |
| waspinator | yes. nvidia tegra | 17:54 |
| PTAlisPT__ | Oh, good | 17:54 |
| PTAlisPT__ | When running ubuntu, of course | 17:54 |
| waspinator | yes | 17:54 |
| PTAlisPT__ | But it's still 7"... | 17:54 |
| PTAlisPT__ | I think the ubuntu is really good and gives support to a LOT of things... | 17:55 |
| PTAlisPT__ | If this would be one of those things... | 17:55 |
| === KidDynamite is now known as KidDynamiteN7 | ||
| blitz | is there a faq | 19:06 |
| Paddy_NI | Is Ubuntu For Phone/Tablet in any way the "Linux for Tablets" that I have been waiting for... | 19:07 |
| Paddy_NI | Can I fire up a terminal and apt-get install whatever | 19:08 |
| Paddy_NI | I have also been wondering where the "Ubuntu Image for Nexus 7" fits in with all this? | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | blitz: there are frequently asked questions, but no frequently answered ones yet, probably a bit more info on thursday | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | Paddy_NI: I guess if it flips from phone to tablet to pc then yes, stuff will be apt-gettable | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | the side shelf stuff running phone code is probably what they need a different display server for | 19:14 |
| Paddy_NI | awesome.. I want this stuff so badly | 19:14 |
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| === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] | ||
| jelatta | if Ubuntu Touch uses android device drivers, will it be fairly simple to port to other tablets, I own a Transformer Pad TF300 | 20:00 |
| NullVoxPopuli | so excited for ubuntu on tablets :-) | 20:02 |
| Paddy_NI | :-D | 20:02 |
| NullVoxPopuli | I'm gonna get the next version of the nexus 10 when it comes out in like... forever from now | 20:02 |
| NullVoxPopuli | >_< | 20:02 |
| bkc_ | jelatta: TF300 already runs ubuntu desktop iirc | 20:02 |
| jelatta | ubuntu desktop yes, I want to get my hands on ubuntu for tablets :) | 20:03 |
| Paddy_NI | Is Ubuntu For Tablets both ARM and Intel x86_64? | 20:03 |
| bkc_ | yes | 20:03 |
| Paddy_NI | Cool | 20:04 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I see the place is booming :) | 20:04 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | is an image ready for download yet? | 20:04 |
| bkc_ | nope | 20:04 |
| AlanBell | no, thursday maybe | 20:04 |
| Paddy_NI | Thursday | 20:04 |
| bkc_ | release is 25-28th | 20:04 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I want to throw this on my thinkpad convertable tablet. | 20:04 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | if you say its x86 ready :P | 20:04 |
| AlanBell | Mobile World Congress is 25-28th | 20:05 |
| AlanBell | release of some source is 21st | 20:05 |
| Paddy_NI | I wonder where the Ubuntu Desktop image for Nexus 7 fits in with all this.. and if the Nexus 7 will have Ubuntu for Tablets | 20:05 |
| AlanBell | my guess is that it won't be x86 from day 1 | 20:05 |
| AlanBell | huh, they had a conference call about it today | 20:06 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | is there a tube of any of this up? | 20:07 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | of good ol shuttles promoting the thing? | 20:07 |
| Paddy_NI | yes | 20:08 |
| Paddy_NI | Visit ubuntu.com :-) | 20:08 |
| waspinator | any idea if ubuntu will support stylus ala galaxy note or windows? | 20:08 |
| Paddy_NI | waspinator: I don't see why it would not really | 20:09 |
| waspinator | i hope so | 20:09 |
| waspinator | right now my x86 tablet pc has horrible pen support in ubuntu 12.10 | 20:09 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | Paddy_NI: It does not to the extent it does not have a image program that works with pressure points | 20:10 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I am not even sure if Gimp has that capability. | 20:10 |
| Paddy_NI | Akiva-Thinkpad: Well gimp supports pressure points | 20:10 |
| Paddy_NI | it does | 20:10 |
| Paddy_NI | as does inkscape | 20:10 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | plugin though, I am sure | 20:10 |
| Paddy_NI | Yes | 20:10 |
| waspinator | it doesn't even rotate pen input when I rotate my display screen | 20:10 |
| waspinator | there are very basic bits that aren't supported before apps can be written for it | 20:11 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | speaking of which, are images for tablet going to be limited to the 700 mb of a cd? | 20:11 |
| Paddy_NI | waspinator: Have you tried installing some raw minced beef into the usb ports? | 20:11 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | or will they dare make 1-2 gigabyte images? | 20:11 |
| waspinator | hmm, no. would that help? | 20:11 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: Oh you have to write a script for tha | 20:12 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | that | 20:12 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I saw a video on the thinkpad tablet with ubuntu, same problem | 20:12 |
| Paddy_NI | waspinator: Well it would not hurt :-) | 20:12 |
| Paddy_NI | Sorry I have a problem :-( | 20:12 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | when you rotate, mouse still stays the same, and gives you mirror touch | 20:12 |
| waspinator | that's the kind of stuff I would expect my OS to handle | 20:12 |
| waspinator | without me writing scripts | 20:12 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: Well, I feel your pain | 20:12 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: I could say though, you get what you pay for | 20:13 |
| waspinator | I just use windows when I need the tablet bits of my computer | 20:13 |
| waspinator | ya I guess you do | 20:13 |
| waspinator | windows 8 is great for it actually | 20:13 |
| * Paddy_NI shivers | 20:13 | |
| waspinator | and it only cost me $15 though | 20:13 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: The script is simple enough; perhaps you and I could work on implimenting this into the distro? | 20:13 |
| waspinator | so not much more than ubuntu | 20:13 |
| waspinator | I doubt canonical would include something written by unknowns | 20:14 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: Rubbish. | 20:15 |
| bkc_ | waspinator: xrandr keeps track of the screen, while xwacom manages the tablet-part, so that's why the mouse isn't rotated when you change the rotation of the screen :) | 20:15 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: its already written for that matter. | 20:15 |
| bkc_ | Akiva-Thinkpad: and it's in the repo | 20:15 |
| waspinator | and no one thought it would be a good idea to sync them> | 20:15 |
| waspinator | at least no one at canonical | 20:16 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: I think if people come with your attitude; "Why should I do it?" then, its not surprising :P | 20:16 |
| bkc_ | waspinator: no, because that would require them to check each time whether wacom was installed or not. OR slap on even more unnecessary dependencies... | 20:16 |
| bkc_ | and syncing them is easy, the daemon is just an apt-get away :) | 20:17 |
| bkc_ | or SoftwareCenter if you feel like shooting yourself in the foot ;) | 20:17 |
| waspinator | if its so easy to install, why wouldn't it be an option in additional drivers? | 20:17 |
| waspinator | or better yet just installed automatically if detected during a system update | 20:18 |
| waspinator | I'll try it though | 20:18 |
| waspinator | but it shouldn't require user intervention | 20:18 |
| Hourd | why not? | 20:19 |
| bkc_ | 1) because the daemon isn't a driver, 2) because not everyone actually changes the orientation of their screens :) | 20:19 |
| Hourd | its fairly specialist and easy to add | 20:19 |
| waspinator | whats the daemon's name? | 20:19 |
| waspinator | all tablets change orientation | 20:19 |
| waspinator | or at least they should have the option to | 20:20 |
| bkc_ | for the thinkpad tablet there's also a script for automagically change the orientation of both tablet and screen depending on the physical orientation :)' | 20:20 |
| bkc_ | uhm, no? | 20:20 |
| bkc_ | I have a tablet for my desktop... see the problem? :) | 20:20 |
| waspinator | no ... why would I buy a tablet for my computer? | 20:21 |
| waspinator | it's already a computer | 20:21 |
| waspinator | of course I don't want my desktop to switch orientations when I rotate my tablet | 20:21 |
| Hourd | i also have a tablet for my desktop... which i never change screen orientation | 20:21 |
| waspinator | I'm not talking about graphics tablets btw | 20:22 |
| bkc_ | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Wacom_Bamboo_Capture_tablet_and_pen.jpg <-- tablet... | 20:22 |
| bkc_ | no, but it's the same concept... | 20:22 |
| bkc_ | it's actually the same thing... | 20:22 |
| waspinator | uh no. when you say tablet, especially in ubuntu-tablet you aren't talking about graphics tablet periperals | 20:22 |
| waspinator | the ones I'm talking about have a screen and a computer attached behind it | 20:23 |
| waspinator | surely ubuntu can see the difference | 20:23 |
| waspinator | I know windows can | 20:23 |
| bkc_ | no and no | 20:23 |
| waspinator | that's unfortunate | 20:24 |
| bkc_ | the input-device and driver is the same for external drawing-tablets and mobile tablets | 20:24 |
| bkc_ | for both windows and linux | 20:24 |
| waspinator | I guess I'm stuck with windows then | 20:24 |
| waspinator | right, but windows doesn't rotate my screen when I rotate a graphics tablet. | 20:24 |
| waspinator | it does when I rotate a graphics tablet screen combo | 20:24 |
| bkc_ | no, that's because the graphics tablet doesn't have a gyroscope/accelerometer built in... | 20:25 |
| waspinator | oh ok, so adding this functaionlity in wouldn't do any harm to your use case then | 20:25 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | Wow, mark, way to knock my socks off | 20:26 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | All I care though, as beautiful as that phone and tablet and everything else is, is I want my terminal | 20:26 |
| bkc_ | no, but unnecessary in about 99% of the cases, BUT for ubuntu-tablet I'm sure this functionality will exist... | 20:26 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | just so it still feels like linux :) | 20:26 |
| Hourd | Akiva-Thinkpad: same | 20:26 |
| waspinator | that's all I ask | 20:26 |
| bkc_ | waspinator: but you where talking about regular ubuntu (as it is now, since the tablet version isn't released) so that's the answer you got :) | 20:27 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | waspinator: Solution - Apply script, and call yourself a hacker. | 20:28 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | ubuntu tablets to run on ipads? | 20:28 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | or is this gonna be a hacking project? | 20:28 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I don't know if ipad images are flashed to roms or not so... | 20:29 |
| bkc_ | google iDroid to see if the bootloader is even available for iPad :) | 20:29 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | Pah, droid | 20:29 |
| bkc_ | iPad images works just like iPhone images, so they are flashed to the internal disk | 20:30 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | "Lets run a java machine on it!" | 20:30 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | interesting | 20:30 |
| bkc_ | well, the bootloader is the same, and since "regular" linux wasn't really an option for phones up until now, Android was the "best choise" | 20:31 |
| Walther | Hm. Is the device going to be released through OEMs or will there be a public image / sources available for e.g. Nexus 7? | 20:42 |
| no_gravity | Good Evening! Will ubuntu for tablets provide root access by default? | 20:43 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | no_gravity: No, they are getting rid of the terminal | 20:44 |
| no_gravity | Akiva-Thinkpad: how do you know? | 20:44 |
| bkc_ | lol, there's no info on that :P | 20:44 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | no_gravity: I'm just trying to shock you :P | 20:44 |
| no_gravity | root access would be the only differentiating factor for me. | 20:45 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | no_gravity: you mean root accout, or sudo capabilities?? | 20:45 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | because root account... how long ago with that? 6.04? | 20:45 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I don't think they had it even then :P | 20:45 |
| bkc_ | ... | 20:46 |
| no_gravity | Akiva-Thinkpad: thats why i said root access | 20:46 |
| bkc_ | root still exists... | 20:46 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | no_gravity: does ubuntu-tv have it? I would assume it does. | 20:47 |
| no_gravity | for example, i hate it that i cannot edit /etc/hosts on my iOS devices. | 20:48 |
| no_gravity | didnt try on my android devices but would guess its unavailable as well. | 20:48 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | Anyways, its good my project is still in planning stages. Looks like an ubuntu-tablet version will need to be made :P | 20:49 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | no_gravity: Yah I hate that too. If that happened here at least, the community would find a hack, and no one would bite your head off for being disloyal to the logo. | 20:49 |
| Walther | But yeah, any info on possible images / sources? | 20:50 |
| Walther | I want to get this thing on my Nexus 7 *now* | 20:50 |
| Walther | or if not now, as soon as possible | 20:50 |
| nOStahl | gotta wait like everyone else Walther lol | 20:53 |
| Walther | of course. But like I asked earlier, the main question is: will it be OEM only, or will the sources and/or images become available | 20:53 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I swear the apple developers were inspired by Rousseau, "Sire, the apple users are complaining that their 1 year old machines are not compatible with the new software." "Let them eat cake~" | 20:54 |
| nOStahl | its open source | 20:54 |
| Walther | as in, neither the phone nor the tv project images / sources have been released | 20:54 |
| Walther | Akiva-Thinkpad: :D | 20:54 |
| nOStahl | the ubuntu tv will be fun | 20:56 |
| waspinator | announced almost a year ago | 20:57 |
| waspinator | I hope phone/tablet don't take so long to come to market | 20:58 |
| nOStahl | someone said they heard there would be no ubuntu carriers till october | 20:59 |
| Walther | but yeah, taking the TV as an example, the project was released/annoucned a year ago or so, still no images / no sources | 21:00 |
| Walther | i seriously hope the same won't happen with phone and tablet | 21:00 |
| nOStahl | just setup a factory to produce devices and become an ubuntu distributor partner :P | 21:01 |
| nOStahl | then you get the imagees | 21:01 |
| colonelqubit | The Ubuntu tablet announcement mentions support for Skype. Will there be support for Jabber/Jingle and WebRTC video chat as well? | 21:16 |
| * AlanBell wants support for AIX and SIP | 21:16 | |
| IdleOne | We can't make money selling you free options! | 21:16 |
| colonelqubit | Do you think Skype support is netting Ubuntu $$? | 21:17 |
| IdleOne | no | 21:17 |
| IdleOne | it is supposed to run a full desktop when docked to a keyboard and mouse. I assume that means it will run whatever is in the repos. | 21:19 |
| Walther | pfft. Seriously guys, stop trolling / "joke answering" | 21:19 |
| IdleOne | Walther: We only know as much info as is provided in the links in the topic. | 21:19 |
| Walther | The thing is too hot at the moment for joke answers or trolling. There are way too many actual questions. | 21:19 |
| Walther | IdleOne: Yes, but trolling / joke answering will just cause additional chaos and confusion | 21:20 |
| IdleOne | So, if you read that info you know as much as anybody else knows. | 21:20 |
| Walther | which isn't helpful | 21:20 |
| IdleOne | my answer was sarcastic but not completely inaccurate from the direction I see Canonical headed in. | 21:20 |
| IdleOne | Walther: You do make a good point though and I apologise. I'll try harder from now on not to make jokes or at least be clear when I am joking. | 21:24 |
| Walther | no problem :P I'm not a dev or anything | 21:25 |
| IdleOne | neither am I but you reminded me what being Ubuntu is. I had forgot for a moment :) | 21:25 |
| * colonelqubit was on board for the joke...just wanted to confirm whether canonical was partnering with MS on skype or something | 21:25 | |
| colonelqubit | So to make some guesses: Tablet will probably run whatever's in the repos | 21:26 |
| bkc_ | AlanBell: SIP-support is available in the repos, no idea about integration in tablet-version though | 21:27 |
| colonelqubit | however, we don't know what will be in the repos, especially for an ARM device. | 21:27 |
| IdleOne | colonelqubit: No idea but it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to do so to generate funds. Although it would cause a lot of ugliness in the greater FOSS community. | 21:27 |
| bkc_ | IdleOne: Ubuntu is already a black sheep in the FOSS community so no worries there :) | 21:27 |
| IdleOne | heh | 21:27 |
| colonelqubit | IdleOne: Canonical doesn't always play nicely with the larger FLOSS community | 21:28 |
| colonelqubit | (what bkc_ said) | 21:28 |
| colonelqubit | I'll try to ping an early-reviewer of the device and see if they can confirm suppor | 21:29 |
| colonelqubit | support | 21:29 |
| * genii-around sips coffee | 21:29 | |
| bkc_ | the fact that they encourages users to install driver-blobs is a major thorn in the FOSS-devs eyes ^.^ | 21:29 |
| colonelqubit | bkc_: yeah, it sucks, but I'd rather have people using a 95%-open system than none at all | 21:29 |
| colonelqubit | the rub comes when we get complacent with that 5% | 21:30 |
| AlanBell | I don't think the firmware blobs are a major point of contention really | 21:30 |
| colonelqubit | It's a tricky line to walk, especially for the companies in this game | 21:30 |
| bkc_ | yes, I'm all for FOSS, but I still use NV-blobs on my desktop because I need it for work | 21:30 |
| bkc_ | AlanBell: actually it is :/ | 21:31 |
| AlanBell | more the gnome interactions these days | 21:31 |
| colonelqubit | AlanBell: Especially on mobile devices | 21:31 |
| AlanBell | other derivatives have shipped flash and codecs by default | 21:32 |
| bkc_ | blobs in general have always been taboo in the FOSS community. | 21:32 |
| colonelqubit | AlanBell: Hmmm... which derivatives? I know that debian has some stuff in non-free, but I can't think of a distro that ships with that stuff enabled | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | doesn't mint do that? maybe they stopped (or maybe I am wrong) | 21:34 |
| AlanBell | heh, flash, closed java, mp3 encoding, dvd decss playback | 21:36 |
| colonelqubit | in Mint? | 21:36 |
| colonelqubit | must not have servers anywhere near the US... | 21:36 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, that is a bit off topic for this channel | 21:37 |
| colonelqubit | true | 21:37 |
| AlanBell | I should think the tablet will have somewhat closed graphics drivers, probably using the android drivers at some level | 21:38 |
| colonelqubit | but to bring it back on topic, I assume that only OEMs will ship Skype. Default builds will probably not | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | well I don't know really. The OEM might want to ship skype, but the carrier will not. It sounds like Canonical want to give the carriers a great big hug at the moment. | 21:39 |
| colonelqubit | That's a dangerous move for canonical | 21:39 |
| colonelqubit | could cost them a lot in the community | 21:39 |
| colonelqubit | well, actually both communities: the FOSS community, and any community they want to create around a potential product | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | a brave and possibly even courageous move | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | perhaps even foolhardy | 21:40 |
| user82_ | am i correct that ubuntu tablet is not compatible with android apps? | 21:40 |
| bkc_ | skype will be in the repo though (taken from the images canonical has released) | 21:40 |
| bkc_ | so it's only a click away :) | 21:40 |
| colonelqubit | bkc_: interesting | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | user82_: you are correct (unless someone does an interesting dalvik hack) | 21:41 |
| user82_ | thanks AlanBell | 21:41 |
| colonelqubit | what's the status of Android compat layers? I heard some rumble about it a while back | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | bkc_: I wonder if the carriers will let it point at the repos or whether they will want to control their own repos | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | colonelqubit: google don't want you to do it | 21:42 |
| colonelqubit | AlanBell: sure, but I don't think there's much they can do to stop you | 21:43 |
| bkc_ | AlanBell: are you sure there'll even be carrier-controlled versions? :) | 21:43 |
| colonelqubit | they might be able to talk Canonical out of putting it in the repo, though | 21:43 |
| bkc_ | that's kind of anti-linux :P | 21:43 |
| colonelqubit | bkc_: all kinds of stuff runs on liux | 21:43 |
| colonelqubit | linux | 21:43 |
| bkc_ | yeah, sure, but "real" linux :/ | 21:44 |
| colonelqubit | The carriers just see this as a toaster | 21:44 |
| bkc_ | ^.^ | 21:44 |
| bkc_ | true that :P | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | bkc_: dunno, but that seems to be what they are aiming for at the moment, they are telling carriers they can have this and lock it down | 21:44 |
| colonelqubit | indeed | 21:44 |
| GuidoPallemans | Has gimp really already been morphed to qml? | 21:45 |
| colonelqubit | the big question is whether we'll see locked-down ubuntu tablets | 21:45 |
| colonelqubit | I guess two methods there (1) locked-down UI/repos, (2) locked-down at the hardware level | 21:47 |
| bkc_ | AlanBell: seriously? any source on that one? because that sounds retarded beyond canonical-level :P | 21:48 |
| bkc_ | from a FOSS POV that is :) | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4005514/ubuntu-phones-2014-might-be-locked-down-by-mobile | 21:48 |
| bkc_ | "We've had fairly substantial conversations... none of [the carriers or OEMs] have expressed a desire to recreate the fragmentation of the Android operating system," <-- from that link :/ | 21:51 |
| GuidoPallemans | Has gimp really already been morphed to qml? | 21:55 |
| AlanBell | doubt it | 21:58 |
| AlanBell | seeing as GTK stands for Gimp Tool Kit (or did originally) | 21:59 |
| bkc_ | ... | 21:59 |
| bkc_ | Gnome Image Manipulation Program | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B | 22:00 |
| bkc_ | yes, the almighty wikipedia that has never been wrong ;) | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | heh, well it certainly isn't wrong in this instance | 22:00 |
| waspinator | GNU Image Manipulation Program | 22:01 |
| AlanBell | GIMP stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program | 22:01 |
| waspinator | you're both wrong | 22:01 |
| bkc_ | o.O | 22:01 |
| * AlanBell isn't wrong | 22:01 | |
| bkc_ | waspinator: right, my bad on that one... | 22:02 |
| waspinator | oh nvm. read it wrong | 22:02 |
| bkc_ | huh, actually it's right there in the first line on GTK's frontpage o.O | 22:02 |
| popey | \o/ xkcd 386 | 22:02 |
| bkc_ | TIL | 22:03 |
| bkc_ | popey: ;) | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq | 22:23 |
| genii-around | Hm | 22:27 |
| colonelqubit | "The OS is exactly the same in all cases – Ubuntu running on tablets is the same Ubuntu which runs on the PC, phone and TV" | 22:28 |
| colonelqubit | ...unclear what that means about app availability | 22:28 |
| colonelqubit | Of course, it would be hard to make that statement with a straight face and then neuter apt-get | 22:28 |
| genii-around | If an app is available for a cpu you have in whatvever your device is | 22:28 |
| genii-around | arm, x86, etc | 22:29 |
| colonelqubit | right, but AlanBell (and others) have commented that the devices could be locked down | 22:29 |
| colonelqubit | locked-down repo + ubuntu underpinnings + Unity is not "the same Ubuntu which runs on the PC" | 22:30 |
| ubuntubhoy | Is the talk not that the OEM's might want the devices locked | 22:30 |
| ubuntubhoy | rather than Canonical | 22:30 |
| ubuntubhoy | so it's just guessing right now | 22:30 |
| colonelqubit | Sure. But Ubuntu has already made this statement in public | 22:31 |
| colonelqubit | Now we get to see if they keep it or waffle on it... | 22:31 |
| AlanBell | well worth digging through the press pack information | 22:33 |
| * genii-around goeas all archeologist | 22:38 | |
| * colonelqubit hands genii-around a fedora and a bullwhip | 22:41 | |
| ubuntubhoy | reading it now AlanBell | 22:54 |
| bkc_ | colonelqubit: but the carriers have said to Canonical that they aren't interested in doing stupid things like that, so the probability that they do it is slim, but it still exists :) | 23:01 |
| bkc_ | on the lock-down note :) | 23:01 |
| * colonelqubit reading | 23:02 | |
| colonelqubit | hmm... ah, okay. I interpreted the "nobody wants fragmentation" as an argument in FAVOR of lockdown, not against it | 23:03 |
| colonelqubit | ala Apple | 23:03 |
| colonelqubit | I think the biggest "tool" that Ubuntu has to prevent incompatibilities is their voice | 23:04 |
| bkc_ | well, fragmentation is more UI and App-availability related than locking it down :) | 23:04 |
| colonelqubit | kind of | 23:04 |
| colonelqubit | if a user always has an option to upgrade their ubuntu+oem-stuff to a stock ubuntu build, then they can escape from whatever backwater they're stuck in | 23:05 |
| colonelqubit | and get to a modern build of Ubuntu | 23:05 |
| colonelqubit | kind of like going from whatever Android build your phone came with to Cyanogenmod | 23:06 |
| colonelqubit | (cm isn't "upstream", but it's basically close enough) | 23:06 |
| colonelqubit | Anyhow, as long as it's easy for the user to select that 'upgrade' path, then I think we'll all be in good shape | 23:07 |
| colonelqubit | But I don't see OEMs or Carriers agreeing to that | 23:08 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | Any idea what the default webbrowser will be? | 23:27 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | I have tried firefox mobile; wasn't impressed | 23:27 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | opera mobile on the other hand is fantastic. | 23:27 |
| GuidoPallemans | probably a self-made one, relying on qt-qml's qwebkit viewer | 23:29 |
| genii-around | I wonder what the user agent would be | 23:31 |
| bkc_ | I'm guessing webkit | 23:49 |
| bkc_ | or perhaps gecko, but webkit is already on ARM so there's less porting/optimization to do (unless gecko is also on ARM, then they're equal) | 23:52 |
| Akiva-Thinkpad | hmmm | 23:59 |
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