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saydany sneak preview pics?00:09
IdleOneprobably not till the countdown is up00:10
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ubuntubhoywith under 3 hours on the clock, I thought it might have been busier in here13:02
smartboyhwlol13:03
ubuntubhoyneed to get in early to get the best seats13:04
smartboyhwubuntubhoy, there aren't any *seats*13:04
ubuntubhoyIn my imagination there are13:04
ubuntubhoybig comfy ones down at the front13:04
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GuidoPallemansless than one hour to go...15:09
mcmullinsare they going to have a google hangout, or anything like that again?15:09
nOStahlits going to be a 20 dollar tablet with dual core and 2 gigs of ram with ubuntu on it15:24
IdleOneheh, wishful thinking?15:25
nOStahlwith HTC subsidizing15:26
smartboyhwLOL15:26
mainerrorThis list seems to be outdated, eh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList15:27
wdnzgah. I can't wait another 30 minutes to find out.15:28
IdleOneyou waited 23.5 hrs, you're going to give up now when you can see the finish line?15:29
mcmullinsDon't worry, once you find out, you'll have to wait another year before you can buy it :P15:30
nOStahlleave him IdleOne he's down and out!15:30
* genii-around makes a pot of coffee and hands out the mugs15:31
wdnzcheers15:31
* mcmullins cheers15:31
nOStahlspeaking of that… I better go make myself an Americano before I get a headache from lack of caffeine15:31
mainerrorTick, tock. :D15:34
mainerrorSoon.15:35
genii-aroundI imagine it will have Ubuntu for Mobile15:39
nOStahluTouch :P15:43
mcmullinsgenii-around, I hope it has the mobile version15:44
DJonesWhen I left home this morning, HTC.com and Ubuntu.com's countdown timers where matching, now htc's is 3 minutes faster, I guess they're going for an early unveiling15:44
mcmullinsI'd rather have a complete rethink of the unity interface, than have 3 different Unities that we have to try to smash together15:44
genii-aroundI figure it will be a 10" version of the Flyer, with probably a quad core15:47
nOStahlthe timers match up perfectly DJones15:48
IdleOnedepends who's looking at the clock15:48
DJonesnOStahl: I see a 3 minute difference15:49
nOStahlwhat part of the world15:49
IdleOne1 minute diff here15:49
wdnz0.2 milisecond diff here.15:50
genii-aroundFrom here the timers sync up, HTC 1 minute fast15:50
nOStahlare they going to announce anything in here too?15:50
IdleOneprobably/maybe15:52
guest1__what i thought the htc timer was for the htc one ...15:54
AlanBellHTC have done their bit already, nothing to do with us15:54
* vibhav bites nails 15:54
nOStahl5 min!15:54
vibhavTime is going slow.15:54
vibhavVery slow.15:55
nOStahland everyone's quiet now lol starting to stare at their screens15:57
blow2 min15:57
nOStahl!! it ended and said just kidding!15:59
blowdoes anyone want to talk about mickey mouse while we wait?15:59
blow30 seconds15:59
blow2015:59
blow1515:59
blow1015:59
wdnz1015:59
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blow315:59
blow216:00
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blowk=lol16:00
mainerrornice16:00
wdnzloadddinnnggg16:00
vibhavIt's spinning16:00
mainerrorOf course the servers are going down.16:00
blowand then it hangs...16:00
mcmullinsaaaaand server crash16:00
mcmullins50316:00
blowand then it hangs...16:00
blowand hangs...16:00
vibhavAnd it's down16:00
netcurliimpossible.. ubuntu server doesn't crash :P16:01
vibhavWait, it's up16:01
genii-aroundHehe16:01
mainerrornetcurli: Ubuntu didn't crash but the webserver. :)16:01
mcmullinsyou think they would have expected this from the Phone announcement >_<16:01
blowshould i reload the page?16:01
AlanBellif you left the timer spinning it would do a refresh after 30 seconds16:01
blowhmm maybe i should wait...16:01
genii-aroundblow: Probably not16:01
wdnzs..should I refresh?16:01
blowwdnz i have just done that...16:02
IdleOnehtc.com didn't crash16:02
vibhavHeh16:02
mcmullinspush F5 as quick as you can16:02
nOStahlhah i got a 503 error16:02
mcmullinsacutally scratch that16:02
charisThe HTC media event has passed without mention of anything Ubuntu. This rumour is therefore squashed.16:02
mcmullinsloop a curl16:02
vibhavIndeed16:02
netcurlihttp://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4004336/ubuntu-touch-developer-preview-download-nexus-tablets16:02
genii-aroundThe servers are probably being hammered already, refreshing it just will make it worse16:02
mosimohttp://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet16:03
mosimoworking, but slow16:04
vibhav503 :(16:04
mosimohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=116:04
mosimothat just hityoutube too16:04
nOStahlI got video of it crashing to 503 error heh16:04
blowwww.ubuntu.com/devices/tablets16:05
blowno s16:05
blowwww.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet16:05
nOStahllol i don't think ubuntu has experienced this much traffic before lol16:06
blowhaha16:06
mosimoand this isnt even the release for it16:06
blownOStahl well, its the biggest channel here at freenode16:06
mosimojust the announcement16:06
IdleOnehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=116:06
mosimoFind out when it’s here16:06
mosimoIf you’re not in the mobile industry, but you’re as excited as we are about Ubuntu on tablets, we can alert you by email when the first device is released.16:06
ptlhi16:07
ptlwill the new tablet interface be available to the nexus 7?16:07
mosimoprobably yea16:07
k1lis there something like the code released? or is it just an announcment? (like for the -phone)16:08
waspinatorlol video looks like apple ad16:08
mosimojust annoucement16:08
mosimophone source is in 2 days16:08
mosimoprobably tablet later on16:08
mainerrorYou know, that's quite impressive.16:09
genii-aroundMeh. That was... anti-climactic16:11
IdleOneisn't it always16:11
vibhavOkay16:11
waspinatorside stage? looks like windows snap16:12
ptlphone source is in 2 days -> just ordered a nexus 4 :D16:12
ptljust for that16:12
vibhavThis is gorgeous16:12
AlanBellso is this a good excuse to get a nexus 10?16:15
nOStahldid you guys see that at end of video! the phone dock into a laptop shell16:15
nOStahlerr a tablet shell16:15
nOStahl!!!16:16
nOStahljust want i've been wanting16:16
waspinatorthat's just a possibility. nexus 4/10 doesn't do that16:16
mosimoasus padfone thingy does though16:16
Kroachwhat the hell was a Windows window doing on Ubuntu in the end part of the tablet video?16:16
mosimothin client16:16
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not_technicalglad i just got a nexus 7.  will definitely try this out, before getting attached to android... :)16:17
mosimowell you're going to be waiting a bit for the tablet version16:18
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AlanBellis it me, or are all the pictures and videos showing the tablet in landscape orientation?16:18
waspinatorthin client isn't ready yet for regular users is it?16:18
AlanBelland all the phone stuff in portrait?16:18
AlanBellwaspinator: thin client is fine if you like that sort of thing16:19
AlanBellrdp is mostly a solved problem16:19
mosimohttp://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/img/devices/tablet-home-portrait.jpg16:19
mosimoportrait tablet :P16:19
AlanBellthanks mosimo16:19
waspinatorbut I mean there is no GUI to say do: "connect to my windows computer and integrate all its apps into ubuntu"16:19
flintserubuntu tablet and phone, musthave(tm)16:19
AlanBellalso a portrait welcome screen on the ubuntu.com homepage16:20
waspinatoryou still need a sysadmin to do it for you right?16:20
AlanBellwaspinator: if your windows computer is running the rdp server stuff then you can use remmina to view them16:20
waspinatorya but that looks ugly. I mean having word in the unity launcher16:21
AlanBellI think you need special stuff on the windows side to do individual application remoting16:21
waspinatormake it seamless16:21
waspinatorso it's not ready for end users yet... too bad16:21
AlanBellyeah, windows is not ready for end users16:21
AlanBell;)16:22
nOStahlwith all this, theres going to be a hipster movement away from apple to using ubuntu I fear :P16:22
AlanBellthey will get there one day perhaps16:22
mainerrorI think there's something I don't understand about YouTube. That video was viewed 301 times but it got 565 thumbs-up and 5 thumbs-down. How's that even possible? :D16:22
AlanBellmainerror: youtube bug, all videos stop at 301 for ages16:23
waspinatorlol. well windows runs word pretty well. ideally I would swtich all my pcs to ubuntu and just have a windows 'server' running somewhere hosting the apps I still need.16:23
mainerrorAlanBell: for real?16:23
aucyoutube caches some of that data :) it will be updated eventually16:23
AlanBellmainerror: http://www.seroundtable.com/youtube-301-views-15347.html16:23
rewarpmainerror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkhgagvrjI16:23
mainerrorwow, I'm slow on those things ._.16:23
rewarpI only know because I follow the numberphile channel on YouTube.16:24
mosimoits not a bug. its intentional16:24
waspinatorI think it's kinda false advertising to show word running so seamlessly on the tablet though. since it's such a promoted feature they should get that to work asap16:24
mosimothey do it and manually check videos to make sure the views are legit16:24
mosimowhen they are the counter continues16:24
mosimowhen approved rather*16:24
AlanBellwaspinator: it will work fine like that, the tablet side shouldn't have a problem with it, you just have to run citrix terminal server on the windows side16:25
mosimorun xenapp to have application only instead of fulldesktop like in the video too16:25
mosimoor similar16:25
waspinatorat prohibitive costs I'm sue16:26
AlanBellwaspinator: sure, but it will be standard when Windows is ready for end users16:26
waspinatorright ok. I'm not sure windows is going to be eager to put itself out of business16:27
mosimomicrosoft aren't the ones doing the only programs to allow you to do it16:27
mosimocitrix, vmware16:28
waspinatorya but that's the only way it'll become standard16:28
flintserAlanBell: citrix costs, i bet noone wants to run paid software to get word on ubuntu :)16:28
nOStahlwhy do you need word btw16:28
waspinatorword is just an example16:28
nOStahlI have several offices all setup with libreoffice and they get along just fine16:29
waspinatormine would kill me16:29
AlanBellI have no idea why you would want to do it either16:29
waspinatormark thinks its a good idea16:29
AlanBellin the demo Excel does not appear in the launcher16:29
mosimoi'd like it16:29
mosimoprotip: video isnt a live demo16:29
AlanBellyeah, I know16:30
mosimoi've got many windows apps that i'd like to be running on it16:31
mosimoso running it thin client style would be nice for me16:31
mosimoim the sole it guy at my work and always carrying round my nexus 7 with my16:31
AlanBellI like the side shelf thing16:32
ubuntubhoyI think it looks fantastic16:32
mosimohave been considering getting a microsoft surface pro16:32
* AlanBell ponders buying a nexus 1016:32
waspinatorlooks like a copy of windows snap16:32
ubuntubhoyI also want it on my netbook over a desktop install if thats possible16:32
z2s8Where can we download it please?16:32
mosimocant yet16:32
AlanBellz2s8: thursday16:32
z2s8Thx16:32
mosimothat's phone source16:33
netcurliaccording to theverge, the Touch Developer Preview will also include the tablet interface16:34
AlanBellI would be inclined to believe that as it is an embargoed article and not a rushed one after the announcement16:34
waspinatormagic edges are similar to windows too16:35
waspinatorI wonder what service they'll use for voice recognition16:36
waspinatoranyone think that QML will be what ubuntu desktop is built on soon?16:37
mosimoill still run xfce on my laptop16:39
qenghoGood to know!16:39
AlanBellwaspinator: I would think that is very probable16:41
mosimoit wouldnt suprise me if they did16:41
waspinatoris that what gives the fluidity? I'd love my desktop to be that fluid16:41
mosimowould need a lot of tweaking to adapt it for desktop with proper multitasking16:42
M4rtinKso no hardware ? :)16:44
waspinatornexus 4/7/10 for now16:44
M4rtinKlet me paraphrase an internet meme: "HW or it didn't happen" :)16:44
M4rtinKthere are quite a lot of more or less working tablet UIs (Nemo, Cordia, Plasma Active, Ubuntu Tablet, ...)16:45
M4rtinKbut no device you can order online with one of those installed16:46
waspinatorsame could be said for pretty much anything linux16:46
waspinatorbesides android16:46
M4rtinKwell, it is much easier to install a Linux distro on a PC16:47
M4rtinKquite a bit harder on embedded devices with the lack of standardization & many binary blobs16:48
waspinatormaybe that's the problem. make linux easy to install on phones and tablets16:48
M4rtinKyep, that's also a solution16:48
M4rtinKbut the announcement seems to be (again!) targeted on manufacturers16:49
M4rtinKor are there already some images one can install on some COTS tablet ?16:50
waspinatorimages will come out for the nexus line on the 21st16:51
AlanBellit was a countdown to a press release, the real stuff is on the 21st16:51
M4rtinKwaspinator: did they confirm they will also release tablet images ?16:52
M4rtinKwell, probably yes :)16:53
M4rtinKit doesn't seem to be that different16:53
waspinatornot sure, but OMG says so16:54
M4rtinKI really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake16:55
Abhijithello16:56
Abhijitcongrats to canonical team and ubuntu team for such nice work.16:56
Abhijit:-)16:56
Abhijitlooking forward to hear product launch.16:56
M4rtinKwhich unfortunately happens quite often for mobile OSes16:56
Abhijiti am talking about ubuntu\16:57
Abhijitnot all mobile ossssss16:57
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M4rtinKI was reffering to: 17:55 <M4rtinK> I really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake16:59
Abhijitok17:00
humanbeingSo why did they design the desktop-Unity like a touch-interface?17:04
waspinatordesktop unity is probably just a stopgap before they move everything to qml17:07
AlanBellwonder what the side shelf looks like in portrait mode17:08
Abhijitis ubuntu sdk available for other linux distro?17:08
ubuntubhoyAlanBell: probably crap - also does it switch to portrait ?17:08
waspinatormaybe it moves to the bottom and makes the phone bit landscape17:09
AlanBelldunno, there are some shots of it portrait17:09
AlanBellas far as I am aware nobody has seen the phone change orientation, it is all portrait17:10
humanbeingwaspinator: this would be cool. You could easily develope one programm for all platforms17:10
humanbeing*devices17:11
waspinatorI think that's their plan17:12
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mcmullinsSo.. anyone else surprised by mono-develop?17:34
mosimowhat about it?17:34
mcmullinsIt's interesting that Ubuntu is attempting to support native windows code17:35
mosimowhat's monodevelop got to do with ubuntu?17:35
waspinatorwait is mono-develop part of the SDK?17:35
mcmullinshttp://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/monodevelop/17:35
mosimooh17:36
mosimonothing wrong with that17:36
mosimoits just another language17:36
waspinatoroh I thought they were building their own VS/xcode using mono-develop17:36
mcmullins2 languages17:36
waspinatorthey really should build their own IDE17:37
mcmullinsSeems like they're relying a lot on QtCreator17:38
waspinatorya maybe they should tweak it and rebrand it as ubuntu development studio or something17:38
waspinatorlike so many companies do with eclipse17:39
nOStahlwish eclipse had git-flow plugin17:46
nOStahli use Aptana Studio 3 (web development tweaked version of eclipse)17:47
PTAlisPT__Hello! Could someone tell me what exacty is needed to run ubuntu on a tablet?17:48
waspinatora nexus 7/1017:49
PTAlisPT__I mean, not an Asus one17:49
PTAlisPT__Yeah, but those are not that cheap17:49
PTAlisPT__And their hardware could be better17:49
waspinatorthey have a pretty good price-perfomance ratio17:49
PTAlisPT__I've seen some quad core tablets with 2 gb of ram for 200eur17:49
PTAlisPT__And that is what really makes the thing interesting17:50
waspinatorwait for the nexus 7v2 in may17:50
Tm_TPTAlisPT__: like which one?17:50
waspinatorshould be that price range17:50
PTAlisPT__Like these Onda v972 Quad Ramos w30 Quad Nova 10 Quad FreeLander PD80 Vogue Quad ICOO ICOU10GT Quad PiPO MAX M9 Quad17:50
PTAlisPT__The Quad part is not needed17:50
PTAlisPT__That was a list I made17:50
PTAlisPT__I think the PiPo has great quality17:51
PTAlisPT__But it is only on presale17:51
PTAlisPT__The ramos is very high quality too17:51
PTAlisPT__Some of them look suspicious, I mean, they may bee a piece of chineese crap17:52
waspinatornexus 7 is only $200USD17:52
PTAlisPT__But some are really damn good!17:52
waspinatorthats less than 200E17:52
PTAlisPT__But it is only 7"17:52
PTAlisPT__I would like to have a 10"17:52
PTAlisPT__And 2gb of ram our more, quad core processor and Gpu 2d/3d acceleration17:53
waspinatorprobably going to have to wait for a while longer17:53
PTAlisPT__(For the mali-400 MP4 or the powervr sg)17:53
PTAlisPT__:-(17:53
PTAlisPT__*sgx17:53
PTAlisPT__sgx 540 I think17:53
waspinatoror save up for the nexus1017:53
PTAlisPT__That's really sad17:53
PTAlisPT__Yeah17:53
PTAlisPT__Does the nexus 7 have 3d acceleration»?17:54
waspinatoryes. nvidia tegra17:54
PTAlisPT__Oh, good17:54
PTAlisPT__When running ubuntu, of course17:54
waspinatoryes17:54
PTAlisPT__But it's still 7"...17:54
PTAlisPT__I think the ubuntu is really good and gives support to a LOT of things...17:55
PTAlisPT__If this would be one of those things...17:55
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blitzis there a faq19:06
Paddy_NIIs Ubuntu For Phone/Tablet in any way the "Linux for Tablets" that I have been waiting for...19:07
Paddy_NICan I fire up a terminal and apt-get install whatever19:08
Paddy_NII have also been wondering where the "Ubuntu Image for Nexus 7" fits in with all this?19:10
AlanBellblitz: there are frequently asked questions, but no frequently answered ones yet, probably a bit more info on thursday19:13
AlanBellPaddy_NI: I guess if it flips from phone to tablet to pc then yes, stuff will be apt-gettable19:13
AlanBellthe side shelf stuff running phone code is probably what they need a different display server for19:14
Paddy_NIawesome.. I want this stuff so badly19:14
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jelattaif Ubuntu Touch uses android device drivers, will it be fairly simple to port to other tablets, I own a Transformer Pad TF30020:00
NullVoxPopuliso excited for ubuntu on tablets :-)20:02
Paddy_NI:-D20:02
NullVoxPopuliI'm gonna get the next version of the nexus 10 when it comes out in like... forever from now20:02
NullVoxPopuli>_<20:02
bkc_jelatta: TF300 already runs ubuntu desktop iirc20:02
jelattaubuntu desktop yes, I want to get my hands on ubuntu for tablets :)20:03
Paddy_NIIs Ubuntu For Tablets both ARM and Intel x86_64?20:03
bkc_yes20:03
Paddy_NICool20:04
Akiva-ThinkpadI see the place is booming :)20:04
Akiva-Thinkpadis an image ready for download yet?20:04
bkc_nope20:04
AlanBellno, thursday maybe20:04
Paddy_NIThursday20:04
bkc_release is 25-28th20:04
Akiva-ThinkpadI want to throw this on my thinkpad convertable tablet.20:04
Akiva-Thinkpadif you say its x86 ready :P20:04
AlanBellMobile World Congress is 25-28th20:05
AlanBellrelease of some source is 21st20:05
Paddy_NII wonder where the Ubuntu Desktop image for Nexus 7 fits in with all this.. and if the Nexus 7 will have Ubuntu for Tablets20:05
AlanBellmy guess is that it won't be x86 from day 120:05
AlanBellhuh, they had a conference call about it today20:06
Akiva-Thinkpadis there a tube of any of this up?20:07
Akiva-Thinkpadof good ol shuttles promoting the thing?20:07
Paddy_NIyes20:08
Paddy_NIVisit ubuntu.com :-)20:08
waspinatorany idea if ubuntu will support stylus ala galaxy note or windows?20:08
Paddy_NIwaspinator: I don't see why it would not really20:09
waspinatori hope so20:09
waspinatorright now my x86 tablet pc has horrible pen support in ubuntu 12.1020:09
Akiva-ThinkpadPaddy_NI: It does not to the extent it does not have a image program that works with pressure points20:10
Akiva-ThinkpadI am not even sure if Gimp has that capability.20:10
Paddy_NIAkiva-Thinkpad: Well gimp supports pressure points20:10
Paddy_NIit does20:10
Paddy_NIas does inkscape20:10
Akiva-Thinkpadplugin though, I am sure20:10
Paddy_NIYes20:10
waspinatorit doesn't even rotate pen input when I rotate my display screen20:10
waspinatorthere are very basic bits that aren't supported before apps can be written for it20:11
Akiva-Thinkpadspeaking of which, are images for tablet going to be limited to the 700 mb of a cd?20:11
Paddy_NIwaspinator: Have you tried installing some raw minced beef into the usb ports?20:11
Akiva-Thinkpador will they dare make 1-2 gigabyte images?20:11
waspinatorhmm, no. would that help?20:11
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: Oh you have to write a script for tha20:12
Akiva-Thinkpadthat20:12
Akiva-ThinkpadI saw a video on the thinkpad tablet with ubuntu, same problem20:12
Paddy_NIwaspinator: Well it would not hurt :-)20:12
Paddy_NISorry I have a problem :-(20:12
Akiva-Thinkpadwhen you rotate, mouse still stays the same, and gives you mirror touch20:12
waspinatorthat's the kind of stuff I would expect my OS to handle20:12
waspinatorwithout me writing scripts20:12
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: Well, I feel your pain20:12
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: I could say though, you get what you pay for20:13
waspinatorI just use windows when I need the tablet bits of my computer20:13
waspinatorya I guess you do20:13
waspinatorwindows 8 is great for it actually20:13
* Paddy_NI shivers20:13
waspinatorand it only cost me $15 though20:13
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: The script is simple enough; perhaps you and I could work on implimenting this into the distro?20:13
waspinatorso not much more than ubuntu20:13
waspinatorI doubt canonical would include something written by unknowns20:14
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: Rubbish.20:15
bkc_waspinator: xrandr keeps track of the screen, while xwacom manages the tablet-part, so that's why the mouse isn't rotated when you change the rotation of the screen :)20:15
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: its already written for that matter.20:15
bkc_Akiva-Thinkpad: and it's in the repo20:15
waspinatorand no one thought it would be a good idea to sync them>20:15
waspinatorat least no one at canonical20:16
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: I think if people come with your attitude; "Why should I do it?" then, its not surprising :P20:16
bkc_waspinator: no, because that would require them to check each time whether wacom was installed or not. OR slap on even more unnecessary dependencies...20:16
bkc_and syncing them is easy, the daemon is just an apt-get away :)20:17
bkc_or SoftwareCenter if you feel like shooting yourself in the foot ;)20:17
waspinatorif its so easy to install, why wouldn't it be an option in additional drivers?20:17
waspinatoror better yet just installed automatically if detected during a system update20:18
waspinatorI'll try it though20:18
waspinatorbut it shouldn't require user intervention20:18
Hourdwhy not?20:19
bkc_1) because the daemon isn't a driver, 2) because not everyone actually changes the orientation of their screens :)20:19
Hourdits fairly specialist and easy to add20:19
waspinatorwhats the daemon's name?20:19
waspinatorall tablets change orientation20:19
waspinatoror at least they should have the option to20:20
bkc_for the thinkpad tablet there's also a script for automagically change the orientation of both tablet and screen depending on the physical orientation :)'20:20
bkc_uhm, no?20:20
bkc_I have a tablet for my desktop... see the problem? :)20:20
waspinatorno ... why would I buy a tablet for my computer?20:21
waspinatorit's already a computer20:21
waspinatorof course I don't want my desktop to switch orientations when I rotate my tablet20:21
Hourdi also have a tablet for my desktop... which i never change screen orientation20:21
waspinatorI'm not talking about graphics tablets btw20:22
bkc_http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Wacom_Bamboo_Capture_tablet_and_pen.jpg <-- tablet...20:22
bkc_no, but it's the same concept...20:22
bkc_it's actually the same thing...20:22
waspinatoruh no. when you say tablet, especially in ubuntu-tablet you aren't talking about graphics tablet periperals20:22
waspinatorthe ones I'm talking about have a screen and a computer attached behind it20:23
waspinatorsurely ubuntu can see the difference20:23
waspinatorI know windows can20:23
bkc_no and no20:23
waspinatorthat's unfortunate20:24
bkc_the input-device and driver is the same for external drawing-tablets and mobile tablets20:24
bkc_for both windows and linux20:24
waspinatorI guess I'm stuck with windows then20:24
waspinatorright, but windows doesn't rotate my screen when I rotate a graphics tablet.20:24
waspinatorit does when I rotate a graphics tablet screen combo20:24
bkc_no, that's because the graphics tablet doesn't have a gyroscope/accelerometer built in...20:25
waspinatoroh ok, so adding this functaionlity in wouldn't do any harm to your use case then20:25
Akiva-ThinkpadWow, mark, way to knock my socks off20:26
Akiva-ThinkpadAll I care though, as beautiful as that phone and tablet and everything else is, is I want my terminal20:26
bkc_no, but unnecessary in about 99% of the cases, BUT for ubuntu-tablet I'm sure this functionality will exist...20:26
Akiva-Thinkpadjust so it still feels like linux :)20:26
HourdAkiva-Thinkpad: same20:26
waspinatorthat's all I ask20:26
bkc_waspinator: but you where talking about regular ubuntu (as it is now, since the tablet version isn't released) so that's the answer you got :)20:27
Akiva-Thinkpadwaspinator: Solution - Apply script, and call yourself a hacker.20:28
Akiva-Thinkpadubuntu tablets to run on ipads?20:28
Akiva-Thinkpador is this gonna be a hacking project?20:28
Akiva-ThinkpadI don't know if ipad images are flashed to roms or not so...20:29
bkc_google iDroid to see if the bootloader is even available for iPad :)20:29
Akiva-ThinkpadPah, droid20:29
bkc_iPad images works just like iPhone images, so they are flashed to the internal disk20:30
Akiva-Thinkpad"Lets run a java machine on it!"20:30
Akiva-Thinkpadinteresting20:30
bkc_well, the bootloader is the same, and since "regular" linux wasn't really an option for phones up until now, Android was the "best choise"20:31
WaltherHm. Is the device going to be released through OEMs or will there be a public image / sources available for e.g. Nexus 7?20:42
no_gravityGood Evening! Will ubuntu for tablets provide root access by default?20:43
Akiva-Thinkpadno_gravity: No, they are getting rid of the terminal20:44
no_gravityAkiva-Thinkpad: how do you know?20:44
bkc_lol, there's no info on that :P20:44
Akiva-Thinkpadno_gravity: I'm just trying to shock you :P20:44
no_gravityroot access would be the only differentiating factor for me.20:45
Akiva-Thinkpadno_gravity: you mean root accout, or sudo capabilities??20:45
Akiva-Thinkpadbecause root account... how long ago with that? 6.04?20:45
Akiva-ThinkpadI don't think they had it even then :P20:45
bkc_...20:46
no_gravityAkiva-Thinkpad: thats why i said root access20:46
bkc_root still exists...20:46
Akiva-Thinkpadno_gravity: does ubuntu-tv have it? I would assume it does.20:47
no_gravityfor example, i hate it that i cannot edit /etc/hosts on my iOS devices.20:48
no_gravitydidnt try on my android devices but would guess its unavailable as well.20:48
Akiva-ThinkpadAnyways, its good my project is still in planning stages. Looks like an ubuntu-tablet version will need to be made :P20:49
Akiva-Thinkpadno_gravity: Yah I hate that too. If that happened here at least, the community would find a hack, and no one would bite your head off for being disloyal to the logo.20:49
WaltherBut yeah, any info on possible images / sources?20:50
WaltherI want to get this thing on my Nexus 7 *now*20:50
Waltheror if not now, as soon as possible20:50
nOStahlgotta wait like everyone else Walther lol20:53
Waltherof course. But like I asked earlier, the main question is: will it be OEM only, or will the sources and/or images become available20:53
Akiva-ThinkpadI swear the apple developers were inspired by Rousseau, "Sire, the apple users are complaining that their 1 year old machines are not compatible with the new software." "Let them eat cake~"20:54
nOStahlits open source20:54
Waltheras in, neither the phone nor the tv project images / sources have been released20:54
WaltherAkiva-Thinkpad: :D20:54
nOStahlthe ubuntu tv will be fun20:56
waspinatorannounced almost a year ago20:57
waspinatorI hope phone/tablet don't take so long to come to market20:58
nOStahlsomeone said they heard there would be no ubuntu carriers till october20:59
Waltherbut yeah, taking the TV as an example, the project was released/annoucned a year ago or so, still no images / no sources21:00
Waltheri seriously hope the same won't happen with phone and tablet21:00
nOStahljust setup a factory to produce devices and become an ubuntu distributor partner :P21:01
nOStahlthen you get the imagees21:01
colonelqubitThe Ubuntu tablet announcement mentions support for Skype. Will there be support for Jabber/Jingle and WebRTC video chat as well?21:16
* AlanBell wants support for AIX and SIP21:16
IdleOneWe can't make money selling you free options!21:16
colonelqubitDo you think Skype support is netting Ubuntu $$?21:17
IdleOneno21:17
IdleOneit is supposed to run a full desktop when docked to a keyboard and mouse. I assume that means it will run whatever is in the repos.21:19
Waltherpfft. Seriously guys, stop trolling / "joke answering"21:19
IdleOneWalther: We only know as much info as is provided in the links in the topic.21:19
WaltherThe thing is too hot at the moment for joke answers or trolling. There are way too many actual questions.21:19
WaltherIdleOne: Yes, but trolling / joke answering will just cause additional chaos and confusion21:20
IdleOneSo, if you read that info you know as much as anybody else knows.21:20
Waltherwhich isn't helpful21:20
IdleOnemy answer was sarcastic but not completely inaccurate from the direction I see Canonical headed in.21:20
IdleOneWalther: You do make a good point though and I apologise. I'll try harder from now on not to make jokes or at least be clear when I am joking.21:24
Waltherno problem :P I'm not a dev or anything21:25
IdleOneneither am I but you reminded me what being Ubuntu is. I had forgot for a moment :)21:25
* colonelqubit was on board for the joke...just wanted to confirm whether canonical was partnering with MS on skype or something21:25
colonelqubitSo to make some guesses: Tablet will probably run whatever's in the repos21:26
bkc_AlanBell: SIP-support is available in the repos, no idea about integration in tablet-version though21:27
colonelqubithowever, we don't know what will be in the repos, especially for an ARM device.21:27
IdleOnecolonelqubit: No idea but it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to do so to generate funds. Although it would cause a lot of ugliness in the greater FOSS community.21:27
bkc_IdleOne: Ubuntu is already a black sheep in the FOSS community so no worries there :)21:27
IdleOneheh21:27
colonelqubitIdleOne: Canonical doesn't always play nicely with the larger FLOSS community21:28
colonelqubit(what bkc_ said)21:28
colonelqubitI'll try to ping an early-reviewer of the device and see if they can confirm suppor21:29
colonelqubitsupport21:29
* genii-around sips coffee21:29
bkc_the fact that they encourages users to install driver-blobs is a major thorn in the FOSS-devs eyes ^.^21:29
colonelqubitbkc_:  yeah, it sucks, but I'd rather have people using a 95%-open system than none at all21:29
colonelqubitthe rub comes when we get complacent with that 5%21:30
AlanBellI don't think the firmware blobs are a major point of contention really21:30
colonelqubitIt's a tricky line to walk, especially for the companies in this game21:30
bkc_yes, I'm all for FOSS, but I still use NV-blobs on my desktop because I need it for work21:30
bkc_AlanBell: actually it is :/21:31
AlanBellmore the gnome interactions these days21:31
colonelqubitAlanBell: Especially on mobile devices21:31
AlanBellother derivatives have shipped flash and codecs by default21:32
bkc_blobs in general have always been taboo in the FOSS community.21:32
colonelqubitAlanBell: Hmmm... which derivatives?  I know that debian has some stuff in non-free, but I can't think of a distro that ships with that stuff enabled21:33
AlanBelldoesn't mint do that? maybe they stopped (or maybe I am wrong)21:34
AlanBellheh, flash, closed java, mp3 encoding, dvd decss playback21:36
colonelqubitin Mint?21:36
colonelqubitmust not have servers anywhere near the US...21:36
AlanBellanyhow, that is a bit off topic for this channel21:37
colonelqubittrue21:37
AlanBellI should think the tablet will have somewhat closed graphics drivers, probably using the android drivers at some level21:38
colonelqubitbut to bring it back on topic, I assume that only OEMs will ship Skype. Default builds will probably not21:38
AlanBellwell I don't know really. The OEM might want to ship skype, but the carrier will not. It sounds like Canonical want to give the carriers a great big hug at the moment.21:39
colonelqubitThat's a dangerous move for canonical21:39
colonelqubitcould cost them a lot in the community21:39
colonelqubitwell, actually both communities: the FOSS community, and any community they want to create around a potential product21:40
AlanBella brave and possibly even courageous move21:40
AlanBellperhaps even foolhardy21:40
user82_am i correct that ubuntu tablet is not compatible with android apps?21:40
bkc_skype will be in the repo though (taken from the images canonical has released)21:40
bkc_so it's only a click away :)21:40
colonelqubitbkc_: interesting21:40
AlanBelluser82_: you are correct (unless someone does an interesting dalvik hack)21:41
user82_thanks AlanBell21:41
colonelqubitwhat's the status of Android compat layers? I heard some rumble about it a while back21:42
AlanBellbkc_: I wonder if the carriers will let it point at the repos or whether they will want to control their own repos21:42
AlanBellcolonelqubit: google don't want you to do it21:42
colonelqubitAlanBell: sure, but I don't think there's much they can do to stop you21:43
bkc_AlanBell: are you sure there'll even be carrier-controlled versions? :)21:43
colonelqubitthey might be able to talk Canonical out of putting it in the repo, though21:43
bkc_that's kind of anti-linux :P21:43
colonelqubitbkc_: all kinds of stuff runs on liux21:43
colonelqubitlinux21:43
bkc_yeah, sure, but "real" linux :/21:44
colonelqubitThe carriers just see this as a toaster21:44
bkc_^.^21:44
bkc_true that :P21:44
AlanBellbkc_: dunno, but that seems to be what they are aiming for at the moment, they are telling carriers they can have this and lock it down21:44
colonelqubitindeed21:44
GuidoPallemansHas gimp really already been morphed to qml?21:45
colonelqubitthe big question is whether we'll see locked-down ubuntu tablets21:45
colonelqubitI guess two methods there (1) locked-down UI/repos, (2) locked-down at the hardware level21:47
bkc_AlanBell: seriously? any source on that one? because that sounds retarded beyond canonical-level :P21:48
bkc_from a FOSS POV that is :)21:48
AlanBellhttp://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4005514/ubuntu-phones-2014-might-be-locked-down-by-mobile21:48
bkc_"We've had fairly substantial conversations... none of [the carriers or OEMs] have expressed a desire to recreate the fragmentation of the Android operating system," <-- from that link :/21:51
GuidoPallemansHas gimp really already been morphed to qml?21:55
AlanBelldoubt it21:58
AlanBellseeing as GTK stands for Gimp Tool Kit (or did originally)21:59
bkc_...21:59
bkc_Gnome Image Manipulation Program21:59
AlanBellhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B22:00
bkc_yes, the almighty wikipedia that has never been wrong ;)22:00
AlanBellheh, well it certainly isn't wrong in this instance22:00
waspinatorGNU Image Manipulation Program22:01
AlanBellGIMP stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program22:01
waspinatoryou're both wrong22:01
bkc_o.O22:01
* AlanBell isn't wrong22:01
bkc_waspinator: right, my bad on that one...22:02
waspinatoroh nvm. read it wrong22:02
bkc_huh, actually it's right there in the first line on GTK's frontpage o.O22:02
popey\o/ xkcd 38622:02
bkc_TIL22:03
bkc_popey: ;)22:03
AlanBellhttp://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq22:23
genii-aroundHm22:27
colonelqubit"The OS is exactly the same in all cases – Ubuntu running on tablets is the same Ubuntu which runs on the PC, phone and TV"22:28
colonelqubit...unclear what that means about app availability22:28
colonelqubitOf course, it would be hard to make that statement with a straight face and then neuter apt-get22:28
genii-aroundIf an app is available for a cpu you have in whatvever your device is22:28
genii-aroundarm, x86, etc22:29
colonelqubitright, but AlanBell (and others) have commented that the devices could be locked down22:29
colonelqubitlocked-down repo + ubuntu underpinnings + Unity is not "the same Ubuntu which runs on the PC"22:30
ubuntubhoyIs the talk not that the OEM's might want the devices locked22:30
ubuntubhoyrather than Canonical22:30
ubuntubhoyso it's just guessing right now22:30
colonelqubitSure. But Ubuntu has already made this statement in public22:31
colonelqubitNow we get to see if they keep it or waffle on it...22:31
AlanBellwell worth digging through the press pack information22:33
* genii-around goeas all archeologist22:38
* colonelqubit hands genii-around a fedora and a bullwhip22:41
ubuntubhoyreading it now AlanBell22:54
bkc_colonelqubit: but the carriers have said to Canonical that they aren't interested in doing stupid things like that, so the probability that they do it is slim, but it still exists :)23:01
bkc_on the lock-down note :)23:01
* colonelqubit reading23:02
colonelqubithmm... ah, okay. I interpreted the "nobody wants fragmentation" as an argument in FAVOR of lockdown, not against it23:03
colonelqubitala Apple23:03
colonelqubitI think the biggest "tool" that Ubuntu has to prevent incompatibilities is their voice23:04
bkc_well, fragmentation is more UI and App-availability related than locking it down :)23:04
colonelqubitkind of23:04
colonelqubitif a user always has an option to upgrade their ubuntu+oem-stuff to a stock ubuntu build, then they can escape from whatever backwater they're stuck in23:05
colonelqubitand get to a modern build of Ubuntu23:05
colonelqubitkind of like going from whatever Android build your phone came with to Cyanogenmod23:06
colonelqubit(cm isn't "upstream", but it's basically close enough)23:06
colonelqubitAnyhow, as long as it's easy for the user to select that 'upgrade' path, then I think we'll all be in good shape23:07
colonelqubitBut I don't see OEMs or Carriers agreeing to that23:08
Akiva-ThinkpadAny idea what the default webbrowser will be?23:27
Akiva-ThinkpadI have tried firefox mobile; wasn't impressed23:27
Akiva-Thinkpadopera mobile on the other hand is fantastic.23:27
GuidoPallemansprobably a self-made one, relying on qt-qml's qwebkit viewer23:29
genii-aroundI wonder what the user agent would be23:31
bkc_I'm guessing webkit23:49
bkc_or perhaps gecko, but webkit is already on ARM so there's less porting/optimization to do (unless gecko is also on ARM, then they're equal)23:52
Akiva-Thinkpadhmmm23:59

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