[00:09] any sneak preview pics? [00:10] probably not till the countdown is up === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [13:02] with under 3 hours on the clock, I thought it might have been busier in here [13:03] lol [13:04] need to get in early to get the best seats [13:04] ubuntubhoy, there aren't any *seats* [13:04] In my imagination there are [13:04] big comfy ones down at the front === Human is now known as Guest91426 === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [15:09] less than one hour to go... [15:09] are they going to have a google hangout, or anything like that again? [15:24] its going to be a 20 dollar tablet with dual core and 2 gigs of ram with ubuntu on it [15:25] heh, wishful thinking? [15:26] with HTC subsidizing [15:26] LOL [15:27] This list seems to be outdated, eh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList [15:28] gah. I can't wait another 30 minutes to find out. [15:29] you waited 23.5 hrs, you're going to give up now when you can see the finish line? [15:30] Don't worry, once you find out, you'll have to wait another year before you can buy it :P [15:30] leave him IdleOne he's down and out! [15:31] * genii-around makes a pot of coffee and hands out the mugs [15:31] cheers [15:31] * mcmullins cheers [15:31] speaking of that… I better go make myself an Americano before I get a headache from lack of caffeine [15:34] Tick, tock. :D [15:35] Soon. [15:39] I imagine it will have Ubuntu for Mobile [15:43] uTouch :P [15:44] genii-around, I hope it has the mobile version [15:44] When I left home this morning, HTC.com and Ubuntu.com's countdown timers where matching, now htc's is 3 minutes faster, I guess they're going for an early unveiling [15:44] I'd rather have a complete rethink of the unity interface, than have 3 different Unities that we have to try to smash together [15:47] I figure it will be a 10" version of the Flyer, with probably a quad core [15:48] the timers match up perfectly DJones [15:48] depends who's looking at the clock [15:49] nOStahl: I see a 3 minute difference [15:49] what part of the world [15:49] 1 minute diff here [15:50] 0.2 milisecond diff here. [15:50] From here the timers sync up, HTC 1 minute fast [15:50] are they going to announce anything in here too? [15:52] probably/maybe [15:54] what i thought the htc timer was for the htc one ... [15:54] HTC have done their bit already, nothing to do with us [15:54] * vibhav bites nails [15:54] 5 min! [15:54] Time is going slow. [15:55] Very slow. [15:57] and everyone's quiet now lol starting to stare at their screens [15:57] 2 min [15:59] !! it ended and said just kidding! [15:59] does anyone want to talk about mickey mouse while we wait? [15:59] 30 seconds [15:59] 20 [15:59] 15 [15:59] 10 [15:59] 10 [15:59] 5 [15:59] 4 [15:59] 3 [16:00] 2 [16:00] 7 [16:00] 1 [16:00] k=lol [16:00] nice [16:00] loadddinnnggg [16:00] It's spinning [16:00] Of course the servers are going down. [16:00] and then it hangs... [16:00] aaaaand server crash [16:00] 503 [16:00] and then it hangs... [16:00] and hangs... [16:00] And it's down [16:01] impossible.. ubuntu server doesn't crash :P [16:01] Wait, it's up [16:01] Hehe [16:01] netcurli: Ubuntu didn't crash but the webserver. :) [16:01] you think they would have expected this from the Phone announcement >_< [16:01] should i reload the page? [16:01] if you left the timer spinning it would do a refresh after 30 seconds [16:01] hmm maybe i should wait... [16:01] blow: Probably not [16:01] s..should I refresh? [16:02] wdnz i have just done that... [16:02] htc.com didn't crash [16:02] Heh [16:02] push F5 as quick as you can [16:02] hah i got a 503 error [16:02] acutally scratch that [16:02] The HTC media event has passed without mention of anything Ubuntu. This rumour is therefore squashed. [16:02] loop a curl [16:02] Indeed [16:02] http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4004336/ubuntu-touch-developer-preview-download-nexus-tablets [16:02] The servers are probably being hammered already, refreshing it just will make it worse [16:03] http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet [16:04] working, but slow [16:04] 503 :( [16:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=1 [16:04] that just hityoutube too [16:04] I got video of it crashing to 503 error heh [16:05] www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablets [16:05] no s [16:05] www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet [16:06] lol i don't think ubuntu has experienced this much traffic before lol [16:06] haha [16:06] and this isnt even the release for it [16:06] nOStahl well, its the biggest channel here at freenode [16:06] just the announcement [16:06] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=1 [16:06] Find out when it’s here [16:06] If you’re not in the mobile industry, but you’re as excited as we are about Ubuntu on tablets, we can alert you by email when the first device is released. [16:07] hi [16:07] will the new tablet interface be available to the nexus 7? [16:07] probably yea [16:08] is there something like the code released? or is it just an announcment? (like for the -phone) [16:08] lol video looks like apple ad [16:08] just annoucement [16:08] phone source is in 2 days [16:08] probably tablet later on [16:09] You know, that's quite impressive. [16:11] Meh. That was... anti-climactic [16:11] isn't it always [16:11] Okay [16:12] side stage? looks like windows snap [16:12] phone source is in 2 days -> just ordered a nexus 4 :D [16:12] just for that [16:12] This is gorgeous [16:15] so is this a good excuse to get a nexus 10? [16:15] did you guys see that at end of video! the phone dock into a laptop shell [16:15] err a tablet shell [16:16] !!! [16:16] just want i've been wanting [16:16] that's just a possibility. nexus 4/10 doesn't do that [16:16] asus padfone thingy does though [16:16] what the hell was a Windows window doing on Ubuntu in the end part of the tablet video? [16:16] thin client === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [16:17] glad i just got a nexus 7. will definitely try this out, before getting attached to android... :) [16:18] well you're going to be waiting a bit for the tablet version === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-tablet to: Welcome to #ubuntu-tablet | http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tablet | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU [16:18] is it me, or are all the pictures and videos showing the tablet in landscape orientation? [16:18] thin client isn't ready yet for regular users is it? [16:18] and all the phone stuff in portrait? [16:19] waspinator: thin client is fine if you like that sort of thing [16:19] rdp is mostly a solved problem [16:19] http://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/img/devices/tablet-home-portrait.jpg [16:19] portrait tablet :P [16:19] thanks mosimo [16:19] but I mean there is no GUI to say do: "connect to my windows computer and integrate all its apps into ubuntu" [16:19] ubuntu tablet and phone, musthave(tm) [16:20] also a portrait welcome screen on the ubuntu.com homepage [16:20] you still need a sysadmin to do it for you right? [16:20] waspinator: if your windows computer is running the rdp server stuff then you can use remmina to view them [16:21] ya but that looks ugly. I mean having word in the unity launcher [16:21] I think you need special stuff on the windows side to do individual application remoting [16:21] make it seamless [16:21] so it's not ready for end users yet... too bad [16:21] yeah, windows is not ready for end users [16:22] ;) [16:22] with all this, theres going to be a hipster movement away from apple to using ubuntu I fear :P [16:22] they will get there one day perhaps [16:22] I think there's something I don't understand about YouTube. That video was viewed 301 times but it got 565 thumbs-up and 5 thumbs-down. How's that even possible? :D [16:23] mainerror: youtube bug, all videos stop at 301 for ages [16:23] lol. well windows runs word pretty well. ideally I would swtich all my pcs to ubuntu and just have a windows 'server' running somewhere hosting the apps I still need. [16:23] AlanBell: for real? [16:23] youtube caches some of that data :) it will be updated eventually [16:23] mainerror: http://www.seroundtable.com/youtube-301-views-15347.html [16:23] mainerror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkhgagvrjI [16:23] wow, I'm slow on those things ._. [16:24] I only know because I follow the numberphile channel on YouTube. [16:24] its not a bug. its intentional [16:24] I think it's kinda false advertising to show word running so seamlessly on the tablet though. since it's such a promoted feature they should get that to work asap [16:24] they do it and manually check videos to make sure the views are legit [16:24] when they are the counter continues [16:24] when approved rather* [16:25] waspinator: it will work fine like that, the tablet side shouldn't have a problem with it, you just have to run citrix terminal server on the windows side [16:25] run xenapp to have application only instead of fulldesktop like in the video too [16:25] or similar [16:26] at prohibitive costs I'm sue [16:26] waspinator: sure, but it will be standard when Windows is ready for end users [16:27] right ok. I'm not sure windows is going to be eager to put itself out of business [16:27] microsoft aren't the ones doing the only programs to allow you to do it [16:28] citrix, vmware [16:28] ya but that's the only way it'll become standard [16:28] AlanBell: citrix costs, i bet noone wants to run paid software to get word on ubuntu :) [16:28] why do you need word btw [16:28] word is just an example [16:29] I have several offices all setup with libreoffice and they get along just fine [16:29] mine would kill me [16:29] I have no idea why you would want to do it either [16:29] mark thinks its a good idea [16:29] in the demo Excel does not appear in the launcher [16:29] i'd like it [16:29] protip: video isnt a live demo [16:30] yeah, I know [16:31] i've got many windows apps that i'd like to be running on it [16:31] so running it thin client style would be nice for me [16:31] im the sole it guy at my work and always carrying round my nexus 7 with my [16:32] I like the side shelf thing [16:32] I think it looks fantastic [16:32] have been considering getting a microsoft surface pro [16:32] * AlanBell ponders buying a nexus 10 [16:32] looks like a copy of windows snap [16:32] I also want it on my netbook over a desktop install if thats possible [16:32] Where can we download it please? [16:32] cant yet [16:32] z2s8: thursday [16:32] Thx [16:33] that's phone source [16:34] according to theverge, the Touch Developer Preview will also include the tablet interface [16:34] I would be inclined to believe that as it is an embargoed article and not a rushed one after the announcement [16:35] magic edges are similar to windows too [16:36] I wonder what service they'll use for voice recognition [16:37] anyone think that QML will be what ubuntu desktop is built on soon? [16:39] ill still run xfce on my laptop [16:39] Good to know! [16:41] waspinator: I would think that is very probable [16:41] it wouldnt suprise me if they did [16:41] is that what gives the fluidity? I'd love my desktop to be that fluid [16:42] would need a lot of tweaking to adapt it for desktop with proper multitasking [16:44] so no hardware ? :) [16:44] nexus 4/7/10 for now [16:44] let me paraphrase an internet meme: "HW or it didn't happen" :) [16:45] there are quite a lot of more or less working tablet UIs (Nemo, Cordia, Plasma Active, Ubuntu Tablet, ...) [16:46] but no device you can order online with one of those installed [16:46] same could be said for pretty much anything linux [16:46] besides android [16:47] well, it is much easier to install a Linux distro on a PC [16:48] quite a bit harder on embedded devices with the lack of standardization & many binary blobs [16:48] maybe that's the problem. make linux easy to install on phones and tablets [16:48] yep, that's also a solution [16:49] but the announcement seems to be (again!) targeted on manufacturers [16:50] or are there already some images one can install on some COTS tablet ? [16:51] images will come out for the nexus line on the 21st [16:51] it was a countdown to a press release, the real stuff is on the 21st [16:52] waspinator: did they confirm they will also release tablet images ? [16:53] well, probably yes :) [16:53] it doesn't seem to be that different [16:54] not sure, but OMG says so [16:55] I really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake [16:56] hello [16:56] congrats to canonical team and ubuntu team for such nice work. [16:56] :-) [16:56] looking forward to hear product launch. [16:56] which unfortunately happens quite often for mobile OSes [16:57] i am talking about ubuntu\ [16:57] not all mobile ossssss === francisco is now known as Guest89363 [16:59] I was reffering to: 17:55 I really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake [17:00] ok [17:04] So why did they design the desktop-Unity like a touch-interface? [17:07] desktop unity is probably just a stopgap before they move everything to qml [17:08] wonder what the side shelf looks like in portrait mode [17:08] is ubuntu sdk available for other linux distro? [17:08] AlanBell: probably crap - also does it switch to portrait ? [17:09] maybe it moves to the bottom and makes the phone bit landscape [17:09] dunno, there are some shots of it portrait [17:10] as far as I am aware nobody has seen the phone change orientation, it is all portrait [17:10] waspinator: this would be cool. You could easily develope one programm for all platforms [17:11] *devices [17:12] I think that's their plan [17:26] * wdnz is away (leaving) === wdnz is now known as wdnz-gone [17:34] So.. anyone else surprised by mono-develop? [17:34] what about it? [17:35] It's interesting that Ubuntu is attempting to support native windows code [17:35] what's monodevelop got to do with ubuntu? [17:35] wait is mono-develop part of the SDK? [17:35] http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/monodevelop/ [17:36] oh [17:36] nothing wrong with that [17:36] its just another language [17:36] oh I thought they were building their own VS/xcode using mono-develop [17:36] 2 languages [17:37] they really should build their own IDE [17:38] Seems like they're relying a lot on QtCreator [17:38] ya maybe they should tweak it and rebrand it as ubuntu development studio or something [17:39] like so many companies do with eclipse [17:46] wish eclipse had git-flow plugin [17:47] i use Aptana Studio 3 (web development tweaked version of eclipse) [17:48] Hello! Could someone tell me what exacty is needed to run ubuntu on a tablet? [17:49] a nexus 7/10 [17:49] I mean, not an Asus one [17:49] Yeah, but those are not that cheap [17:49] And their hardware could be better [17:49] they have a pretty good price-perfomance ratio [17:49] I've seen some quad core tablets with 2 gb of ram for 200eur [17:50] And that is what really makes the thing interesting [17:50] wait for the nexus 7v2 in may [17:50] PTAlisPT__: like which one? [17:50] should be that price range [17:50] Like these Onda v972 Quad Ramos w30 Quad Nova 10 Quad FreeLander PD80 Vogue Quad ICOO ICOU10GT Quad PiPO MAX M9 Quad [17:50] The Quad part is not needed [17:50] That was a list I made [17:51] I think the PiPo has great quality [17:51] But it is only on presale [17:51] The ramos is very high quality too [17:52] Some of them look suspicious, I mean, they may bee a piece of chineese crap [17:52] nexus 7 is only $200USD [17:52] But some are really damn good! [17:52] thats less than 200E [17:52] But it is only 7" [17:52] I would like to have a 10" [17:53] And 2gb of ram our more, quad core processor and Gpu 2d/3d acceleration [17:53] probably going to have to wait for a while longer [17:53] (For the mali-400 MP4 or the powervr sg) [17:53] :-( [17:53] *sgx [17:53] sgx 540 I think [17:53] or save up for the nexus10 [17:53] That's really sad [17:53] Yeah [17:54] Does the nexus 7 have 3d acceleration»? [17:54] yes. nvidia tegra [17:54] Oh, good [17:54] When running ubuntu, of course [17:54] yes [17:54] But it's still 7"... [17:55] I think the ubuntu is really good and gives support to a LOT of things... [17:55] If this would be one of those things... === KidDynamite is now known as KidDynamiteN7 [19:06] is there a faq [19:07] Is Ubuntu For Phone/Tablet in any way the "Linux for Tablets" that I have been waiting for... [19:08] Can I fire up a terminal and apt-get install whatever [19:10] I have also been wondering where the "Ubuntu Image for Nexus 7" fits in with all this? [19:13] blitz: there are frequently asked questions, but no frequently answered ones yet, probably a bit more info on thursday [19:13] Paddy_NI: I guess if it flips from phone to tablet to pc then yes, stuff will be apt-gettable [19:14] the side shelf stuff running phone code is probably what they need a different display server for [19:14] awesome.. I want this stuff so badly === wdnz-gone is now known as wdnz === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [20:00] if Ubuntu Touch uses android device drivers, will it be fairly simple to port to other tablets, I own a Transformer Pad TF300 [20:02] so excited for ubuntu on tablets :-) [20:02] :-D [20:02] I'm gonna get the next version of the nexus 10 when it comes out in like... forever from now [20:02] >_< [20:02] jelatta: TF300 already runs ubuntu desktop iirc [20:03] ubuntu desktop yes, I want to get my hands on ubuntu for tablets :) [20:03] Is Ubuntu For Tablets both ARM and Intel x86_64? [20:03] yes [20:04] Cool [20:04] I see the place is booming :) [20:04] is an image ready for download yet? [20:04] nope [20:04] no, thursday maybe [20:04] Thursday [20:04] release is 25-28th [20:04] I want to throw this on my thinkpad convertable tablet. [20:04] if you say its x86 ready :P [20:05] Mobile World Congress is 25-28th [20:05] release of some source is 21st [20:05] I wonder where the Ubuntu Desktop image for Nexus 7 fits in with all this.. and if the Nexus 7 will have Ubuntu for Tablets [20:05] my guess is that it won't be x86 from day 1 [20:06] huh, they had a conference call about it today [20:07] is there a tube of any of this up? [20:07] of good ol shuttles promoting the thing? [20:08] yes [20:08] Visit ubuntu.com :-) [20:08] any idea if ubuntu will support stylus ala galaxy note or windows? [20:09] waspinator: I don't see why it would not really [20:09] i hope so [20:09] right now my x86 tablet pc has horrible pen support in ubuntu 12.10 [20:10] Paddy_NI: It does not to the extent it does not have a image program that works with pressure points [20:10] I am not even sure if Gimp has that capability. [20:10] Akiva-Thinkpad: Well gimp supports pressure points [20:10] it does [20:10] as does inkscape [20:10] plugin though, I am sure [20:10] Yes [20:10] it doesn't even rotate pen input when I rotate my display screen [20:11] there are very basic bits that aren't supported before apps can be written for it [20:11] speaking of which, are images for tablet going to be limited to the 700 mb of a cd? [20:11] waspinator: Have you tried installing some raw minced beef into the usb ports? [20:11] or will they dare make 1-2 gigabyte images? [20:11] hmm, no. would that help? [20:12] waspinator: Oh you have to write a script for tha [20:12] that [20:12] I saw a video on the thinkpad tablet with ubuntu, same problem [20:12] waspinator: Well it would not hurt :-) [20:12] Sorry I have a problem :-( [20:12] when you rotate, mouse still stays the same, and gives you mirror touch [20:12] that's the kind of stuff I would expect my OS to handle [20:12] without me writing scripts [20:12] waspinator: Well, I feel your pain [20:13] waspinator: I could say though, you get what you pay for [20:13] I just use windows when I need the tablet bits of my computer [20:13] ya I guess you do [20:13] windows 8 is great for it actually [20:13] * Paddy_NI shivers [20:13] and it only cost me $15 though [20:13] waspinator: The script is simple enough; perhaps you and I could work on implimenting this into the distro? [20:13] so not much more than ubuntu [20:14] I doubt canonical would include something written by unknowns [20:15] waspinator: Rubbish. [20:15] waspinator: xrandr keeps track of the screen, while xwacom manages the tablet-part, so that's why the mouse isn't rotated when you change the rotation of the screen :) [20:15] waspinator: its already written for that matter. [20:15] Akiva-Thinkpad: and it's in the repo [20:15] and no one thought it would be a good idea to sync them> [20:16] at least no one at canonical [20:16] waspinator: I think if people come with your attitude; "Why should I do it?" then, its not surprising :P [20:16] waspinator: no, because that would require them to check each time whether wacom was installed or not. OR slap on even more unnecessary dependencies... [20:17] and syncing them is easy, the daemon is just an apt-get away :) [20:17] or SoftwareCenter if you feel like shooting yourself in the foot ;) [20:17] if its so easy to install, why wouldn't it be an option in additional drivers? [20:18] or better yet just installed automatically if detected during a system update [20:18] I'll try it though [20:18] but it shouldn't require user intervention [20:19] why not? [20:19] 1) because the daemon isn't a driver, 2) because not everyone actually changes the orientation of their screens :) [20:19] its fairly specialist and easy to add [20:19] whats the daemon's name? [20:19] all tablets change orientation [20:20] or at least they should have the option to [20:20]