[07:38] morning everyone [07:45] they big day today eh ! [08:11] Good morning peeps :) [08:55] In Thunderbird, is there a quick way to turn on threading in all folders? I don't want to have to do it manually for several hundred folders myself [08:56] morning sportsfans! [08:57] Hi andylockran [08:57] how goes things? [08:57] Trying out a wrist brace, so hopefully a less painful day ahead :) [08:57] You? [09:08] Cycled in for the first time in over a week; London was looking particularly 1880s this morning [09:08] fog on the water and very cool [09:09] I'm a fan of foggy mornings. Travelling to work is something that I miss. Making do with looking at it out of my window [09:18] Good morning, people! :-D [09:18] Morning JamesTait [09:18] bigcalm, and in one simple sentence you've convinced me that you're insane. :-P [09:19] Actually it was three sentences, but whatever. ;) [09:20] How are you, bigcalm? Apart from bonkers, that is. :-P [09:20] JamesTait: I'm trying to work out which 3 sentences make me insane :) === michelle is now known as Guest43915 [09:20] 09:09 < bigcalm> I'm a fan of foggy mornings. Travelling to work is something that I miss. Making do with looking at it out of my window [09:21] I'm looking at it out of my window and thinking "I'm glad I don't have to go out in that to get to work". ;) [09:21] Hehe [09:21] I drove to work in a warm car in the past :) [09:21] Horses, courses, etc. [09:22] And now? [09:25] JamesTait: I work from home [09:26] bigcalm, I gathered that much. ;) I was expecting you to say something like "Instead of my warm car, I work from a cold shed with no heating." :-P [09:27] Heh [09:27] I do indeed enjoy my cosy office. Helps having a cat to keep your lap warm now and then === Guest43915 is now known as michelle_ [09:32] crap [09:32] anyone know how "reconfigure" sendmail ? [09:33] like "re-run" the wizzard screen you get in the beginning ? [09:33] you don't. sendmail is an abomination from the 1980s [09:33] knightwise: dpkg --reconfigure sendmail? [09:33] however, if you insist, dpkg-reconfigure -plow sendmail [09:33] ah yes [09:37] unknown option reconfigure ? ? , [09:39] sorry, my bad - I misremembered the syntax [09:39] directhex is correct, knightwise [09:39] thanx. [09:41] bigcalm, I do appreciate the odd visit from my cats, but not when it's the litter tray they're visiting. [09:41] Heh [09:42] JamesTait: we're still renting, otherwise I'd have a cat flap installed. Kitties should be free to come and go I think [09:42] The triumphant look as they turn away, no doubt thinking to themselves "I'll just leave that with you then." [09:44] bigcalm, I totally agree, they're outdoor animals. But we did it wrong somewhere along the way, and our cats like the indoors, get curious about the outdoors, but get lost and scared when they go out there. :( [09:44] bigcalm: could you install one temporarily with cable-ties or something? [09:44] we have an exclusively indoor cat [09:45] dwatkins: eh? How would that work? One has to cut a hole in the door [09:45] Have Valve been adding more games to the Linux discount section? [09:46] bigcalm: just musing about using a window or something [09:46] * bigcalm grumbles as he forks out another 16 quid [09:46] heh [09:47] directhex, we have five exclusively indoor cats (well, exclusive apart from the occasions when they sneak out of on open door, whereupon the aforementioned "lost and scared" routine kicks in) and one outdoor cat, who has commandeered the garage. [09:48] * dwatkins wonders how long it'll be until there are games exclusively for linux on Steam and how much of an uproar this might cause [09:48] That's a lot of kittie litter! [09:48] dwatkins: Tux Racer? [09:48] Aww, not on steam ;) [09:49] bigcalm: games which people would pay for :-p [09:49] dwatkins, it won't happen unless someone is trying to make a statement [09:49] dwatkins, there are some games with linux but not mac ports though [09:49] directhex: yeah, true - I hope it doesn't in a sense, and that Wall three OSs can compete fairly and on an exual footing [09:49] *equal [09:49] but the only game on steam not available for windows is Call of Duty: Black Ops - Mac Edition [09:50] that's kinda understandable [09:50] not sure why they had to make a separate version, mind [09:50] money. [09:50] it's the only non-steamplay game for mac [09:51] the game, and the dlc for it, cost different amounts to the PC game [09:51] silly DLC [10:02] At 3.8MB/s, this is obviously the right time of day to be installing games on Steam [10:02] My storage does not look forward to the day VirginMedia upgrades my cable connection [10:05] it is never the right time of day to install games on steam [10:05] the steam servers are connected to the internet with a bit of wet string. [10:06] It's maxing my connection while fetching Serious Sam 3 [10:06] oh! [10:06] It took about a week for me to get serious sam [10:06] I wonder at what point VirginMedia will cap my ass. I mean bandwidth [10:06] virgin media fail [10:06] How? [10:07] i get a good 8M down via wired, and 200k via wireless [10:07] i don't think steam linux linux wireless [10:07] just by being on Virgin I'd imagine [10:09] When it works, it works well. I complain a lot less about VM these days :) [10:09] Oh no. Sudden urge for a sausage and egg bap with brown sauce [10:09] * bigcalm looks at his banana [10:09] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [10:10] mad craving for roll and square sausage initiated!! [10:10] Is the urge infectious? [10:10] * Myrtti makes poached eggs, scrambled eggs, warms up some baked beans, fries some mushrooms with garlic, pops the kettle on, slaps some sausages on the Foreman and puts the toasts down [10:10] THE URGE [10:10] Myrtti: pics or it didn't happen [10:10] Heh, odd [10:11] neuro: might skip mushrooms and beans today tbh [10:11] all i've had this morning is a bowl of froot loops about 4 hrs ago [10:11] Myrtti: i believe you are food trolling us [10:12] okok, hold on, I'll finish what I'm doing now and go make it and put some pictures up [10:12] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! [10:14] right, that's it, don't care if my phone says it's -3C outside, i'm going to out to get some sausages!!! [10:14] Morning [10:14] is it? [10:14] IS IT? [10:14] oh, it is [10:14] SAUSAGES! [10:15] Does anyone think the unity messaging menu would be a good place for a nagios monitor? [10:15] i see steam now has an indicator \o/ [10:15] woop [10:16] yuppers [10:20] pffft, Lume is a flash game [10:20] Yup [10:20] ah well, at least they bothered to """port""" it ☺ [10:22] IS zombies versus plants available? [10:23] not yet [10:23] at least, not that I've seen [10:23] is plants/zombies the same game as that flash one? [10:24] I think so [10:24] i.e. lame after 1 minute [10:24] I don't know about that [10:24] it's kinda fun [10:24] must be a different game then [10:25] http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/www.popcap.com/sites/www.popcap.com/files/games/pvz/screenshots/pvz3.jpg < this one [10:27] yeah that one :S [10:30] i don't know if popcap will get on board [10:30] iirc ea own them now [10:30] EA are just in it for the money [10:31] which means they need a business case for every "port" no matter how trivial [10:34] Their customer service is legendary in its awfulness. [10:35] Perhaps if they move to subscription-based gaming it'll improve... [10:36] but didn't ea say two years ago that they're dedicated to bringing games to linux? [10:36] I mean, sure, they only release two html games into software centre, and did nothing after that, but surely their words speak louder than their actions [10:37] EA will not be the first current gen AAA publisher to ship linux binaries. [10:37] i reckon activision will be. [10:38] meanwhile the scale of the indies releasing to steam will get bigger, and there'll be some B-tier publishers like paradox doing linux a lot more [10:38] sega will be on board soon [10:38] in a small way anyway [10:39] maybe my prediction will be right then ☺ [10:39] hm? [10:39] which prediction? [10:39] I predicted at the end of last year that "Number of Linux Games on Steam will increase from 1.8% to 20% of Windows games by end of 2013" [10:40] i don't see 20% by the end of 2013 [10:40] but i guarantee 50% of the top 10 most popular games by the end of 2013 [10:40] just over 5h to the tablet announcement [10:41] \o/ [10:41] is there an #ubuntutabletreleaseparty channel? [10:41] indies will continue to show interest. many existing games won't get shipped there though, e.g. trine 1 [10:41] #ubuntu-tablet has existed for about a year [10:41] an Ubuntu table? that would be awesome... ;) [10:41] has anyone in here checked the ubuntu subreddit this week? [10:41] I wonder if it'll be an HTC tablet ;) [10:41] since thursday the number of posts EXPLODED [10:41] i'd like dungeon defenders to ship, it's useless without the ability to play with my steam friends [10:42] SuperMatt: was thuyrsday the steam client release? [10:42] yup [10:42] exploded? Became very popular? [10:43] yup [10:43] anyone fancy a spread on how long it'll take (from release) for the ubuntu phone image to work on devices other than the pre-announced 2? [10:43] depends.. [10:43] you talking about additional images from us, or external community ports? [10:44] I would love to use it on my s3 [10:44] andylockran: Which are the 2 pre-announced? [10:44] daubers: GN and N4 [10:45] Ah, the google phones then [10:45] yuppers [10:45] does anyone (directhex) know if the HP touchpad can display on a HDMI monitor via the usb port? [10:46] I'm tentativley waiting to see what it's like to see if its worth me shifting my (very android embedded) phone/tablet platform [10:46] doubt it [10:46] yeah not yet [10:46] its a developer preview [10:46] not a daily use phone OS yet [10:47] although I believe Mark has it as his daily phone [10:47] it's be rude not to [10:47] hope he doesn't leave it in a bar [10:47] hah [10:47] but then you could sue gizmodo [10:48] If it means I can ditch java, I'll be a happy bunny indeed [10:48] Java is used on too many servers, imho. [10:49] I think java is going to die a death, like flash, but it's going to be a lot slower [10:49] and we all know that the flash death has been painfully slow already [10:49] I don't think they're the same at all [10:49] sure, flash in browsers is dying [10:49] err, Java [10:49] but it never really took off. On server-side apps though Java and especially the JVM is still very much a hot topic [10:50] agreed [10:50] java on servers will die like windows on servers [10:50] I was mostly refering to in the browser [10:50] with java and flash gone, vrml will rise! [10:50] SuperMatt: yeah, it's just a shame it's still there [10:50] very very very slowly, everyone will know it is a bad idea, but a bit too invested in it to change [10:50] I'm a bit concerned that HTML5 will end up being ridden with binary issues due to DRM, too. [10:51] * AlanBell likes vrml [10:51] until people figure out a replacement for, say, Lucene based stuff like Solr and ElasticSearch, Java is not going anywhere [10:51] You know, I don't mind DRM being put in to HTML5. As long as chrome or firefox support it, I'll be able to see DRMed content without having to install a plugin and/or dropping in to windows [10:52] But what language should Minecraft be ported to? [10:52] SuperMatt: I suspect most DRM will be Windows and Mac only even with HTML5. [10:52] and there's no change of an ARM port [10:52] *chance [10:52] dwatkins: but how? If the browser has stuff built in for handling the drm, then everything *should* be fine [10:52] SuperMatt: the problem is the DRM stuff can't be open source [10:53] l [10:53] oops [10:54] dwatkins: of course, you're right there [10:54] but I imagine that any work google or firefox would do ensure their browsers work, would be ported to linux [10:55] it isn't about open source or software freedom [10:55] bigcalm: objective c! [10:55] for the larger providers, I imagine so, but there will be other sites which require DRM which will not bother porting to Linux [10:55] (already done for Minecraft PE on iOS) [10:55] compiling stuff is just for obfuscation [10:55] for DRM [10:55] it could be written in javascript, the only problem is that more people understand javascript than assembler [10:56] yeah, and the keys are easier to extract [10:57] ultimately it comes down to the rights owners insisting their content be protected from being given away, played after a certain time etc. [10:57] so even the BBC has to implement DRM so that doesn't happen [10:57] directhex: do you have any experience of using console controllers with steam games? [10:58] I do [10:58] also, on linux [10:58] the xbox one works nicely [10:58] popey: I've used my xbox 360 controller on a few Steam games [10:58] I haven't tried 6axis [10:58] * popey has a gamecube one on usb [10:58] how do you hook up the xbox one? [10:58] Morning all [10:58] Xbox ones are USB with a different connector, IIRC - I thnk you get adapters [10:58] my xbox one is usb [10:58] eh, 360 is wireless [10:58] popey, i use a 360 controller on windows [10:58] popey, I launched my podcast, my god it is hard work, how long does it take to get the process down pat? [10:59] popey: you can buy wired ones, that's what I use [10:59] ahhh [10:59] directhex: how is it connected? [10:59] Paladine: there's four of us which makes it easier [10:59] popey: yeah, sorry - I use a wired one [10:59] Paladine: and we do it live, and don't edit after [10:59] took me a full day to do a 33 minute episode [10:59] morning everyone. [11:00] Paladine: yeah, our first episode took all day to record and another day to edit [11:00] good morning! [11:00] which is why we don't do that anymore [11:00] popey: there is a nice ps3 remote app on lp that will connect a remote [11:00] yeah mine is pre-recorded so I have to do a lot of post recording editing [11:00] we pre-record interviews, but "as live" [11:00] i.e. if you fluff your line, just carry on [11:00] I had a 17 minute interview in my first episode [11:01] and I have committed myself to releasing a new ep each week, which may have been a mistake lol [11:01] So this is likely to work with Steam games? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Xbox-Common-Controller-Windows/dp/B004JU0JSK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1361271670&sr=8-3 [11:02] for sure [11:02] * popey adds to wishlist [11:02] I would definitely suggest an official xbox controller [11:02] thanks chaps [11:02] popey: There's a wireless version http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Controller-Windows/dp/B004JU0JSA/ref=pd_cp_vg_h__2 [11:02] popey: don't know if that'll work without faffing though [11:02] been mashing the keyboard playing Titan Attacks [11:03] Titan Attacks doesn't work for me :'( [11:03] should work, it's got a dongle with it [11:03] prefer one without wires [11:03] my joulo came today [11:04] Paladine: we're moving to recording every other week, and putting a show out weekly [11:04] so record for 1 hours, but put out half our each week [11:04] mungbean: yay [11:04] popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_accessories#Wireless_Gaming_Receiver [11:04] popey, cool. I am doing an extended one at the end of each month with a co-presenter [11:05] the hardest part for me was deciding what issues to cover, certainly no danger of not being enough content [11:05] I had to cut 3 issues from the final recording [11:05] Rjd2 \o/ [11:08] popey, the specific "xbox 360 wireless controller for windows" boxes contain a wireless pad, and a USB dongle (capable of tracking up to 4 pads), for the same price as a wireless pad on its own [11:11] neuro: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/8487962247/ [11:12] AlanBell: there's an article on hackaday right now relevant to our previous discussion in a sense [11:12] the HDMI one [11:12] thanks directhex [11:12] ok, since the indicator whitelist has been removed, how do we get a skype indicator? [11:16] directhex: see my question about hp touchpad? [11:19] skype works here SuperMatt [11:19] it's right next to my steam indicator :D [11:20] are you on u+1? [11:20] I am on raring [11:20] what method did you use to install it? [11:20] install what? [11:20] skype [11:20] software centre or download? [11:20] well, I have a deb installed [11:20] ii skype 4.1.0.20.0-0 amd64 client for Skype VOIP and instant [11:21] i suspect skype is in the partner repos.? [11:21] alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads$ ls -ltrha skype* [11:21] -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 28M Jun 14 2012 skype-ubuntu_4.0.0.7-1_amd64.deb [11:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1681424/ [11:22] ^^ partner repo [11:23] huh, partner repo wasn't enabled for me [11:23] once the car is MoT'd I have permission to buy a new telly [11:23] \o/ [11:23] as in "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu buntycodename partner" [11:24] yup [11:24] missed out a / after ubuntu. [11:25] well, you can just search for skype in usc and it should do all that for you [11:26] now I have a proper indicator \o/ [11:26] thanks dudes :> [11:26] \o/ [11:26] o/ [11:26] Hazzar [11:26] \o/ [11:28] http://eu.fab.com/sale/5490/product/83564/ [11:28] bet sophie would like one in her room [11:29] but not at 150 notes [11:29] IIRC, IKEA do something sort-of similar [11:29] probably not quite 150 notes [11:33] Myrtti: i just had two rolls with square and links sausage, and a lovely mug of fresh soup [11:34] but your cup of tea looks nice :) [11:34] mmm, tea [11:35] oh golly Myrtti looks nom [11:36] is that a poached egg? [11:36] popey: just reading back about joypads [11:36] you defo want the windows one with the usb>wireless doobrie [11:36] popey: indeed it is. [11:36] i'd recommend getting a play'n'charge kit [11:36] a rechargeable battery pack with a 3m usb charging cable [11:37] ooh [11:37] if you don't care about wireless, there's a wired windows x360 joypad with a similarly long usb cable [11:38] if you ever find yourself playing windows games, you may find they have specific modes to cater for the x360 pad [11:38] i noticed crisis 3 actually brings up the A/B/X/Y buttons on screen when using it [11:40] Hi [11:40] is there a way to remember subject line in chrome browser for gmail? [11:40] remember the subject line? [11:40] i have enabled autofill but somehow it does not cache the subject line [11:40] neuro: yeah [11:40] autofill is for regularly used personal details [11:41] meaning similar subject content [11:42] For example when i raise a support email which has constant subject line has "Cust ID :- 1424 ....." [11:42] just hit reply? [11:42] neuro: can it be handled in chrome or firefox browser on Ubuntu 11.10 [11:42] or am i missing something [11:42] neuro: I am composing a new email [11:43] knowing the context might be useful in suggesting a solution :) [11:43] neuro: ok [11:44] neuro: so usually i write email to Data Center support team with the same subject line ""Cust ID :- 1424 PIN xxxx" [11:44] oh, i see [11:44] i do not have to keep writing again and again [11:44] 'plz to reboot server kthx' [11:45] 'plz to reboot correct server this time kthx' [11:45] if it is cached it saves time [11:45] go to settings [11:45] click labs [11:45] enable Canned Responses [11:45] neuro: ok [11:45] * popey wondrs if that was a neuro canned response [11:45] +e [11:45] :) [11:46] I don't know what you're talking about [11:46] neuro: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duracell-Play-Charge-Kit-Black/dp/B003ZUPLGK/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_cart_4 [11:46] that? [11:46] I don't know what you're talking about [11:46] 11:36:35 < neuro> i'd recommend getting a play'n'charge kit [11:46] I don't know what you're talking about [11:46] ahhh [11:46] i see [11:47] :) [11:47] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Play-Charge-Kit-Black-Xbox/dp/B003VD56K2 [11:47] that's the kosher one [11:47] you probably want that [11:47] it's cheaper too [11:47] ta [11:47] thanks for reminding me, I need a new battery/play'n'charge kit [11:47] i only got mine last year after rattling through AAs for five years [11:48] My C3PO controller uses up AA batteries, which is probably slightly worse for the environment than a rechargeable battery. [11:48] also got myself a 3m USB>Mini-USB cable for my PS3 controller [11:48] does your c3po controller get all prissy and upset when you change batteries? [11:49] "wait, what have you done, you great furry oaf, you've put the batteries in BACKWARDS!" [11:52] Heh [12:08] So I got skyfall, it reminds me of from russia with love, lots of guns and fights very little tech. I loved it :) [12:09] * mungbean waits for it to be on telly [12:10] davmor2: also, the actor who plays Bond now looks a lot like Putin imho [12:11] davmor2: http://www.sofeminine.co.uk/celebrities/album882056/celebrity-look-alikes-stars-and-their-doppelgangers-22026454.html [12:12] ooh, the ubuntu page has switched to a ticking timer [12:12] davmor2: I hated skyfall [12:13] :( [12:13] http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23183-3dprinting-pen-turns-doodles-into-sculptures.html [12:13] cunning [12:13] * bigcalm turns noodles into lunch [12:14] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1351910088/3doodler-the-worlds-first-3d-printing-pen [12:16] popey: oooohhhhhhhh [12:19] haha, trending towards half a million USD [12:19] http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1351910088/3doodler-the-worlds-first-3d-printing-pen/ [12:24] Anyone know where Zimbra stores its list of banned file extensions? My google-fu is failing [12:26] AlanBell will know [12:26] no idea, don't use zimbra [12:27] we don't really support email systems, people get all upset about them failing, and they want it all to be free [12:27] haha [12:27] yeah, we get a lot of that "But Gmail is free!" "okay, use Gmail" [12:30] I'm getting fed up with the MS info emails/spam (delete as applicable) about hotmail becoming outlook.com and messenger being rolled into skype, its a good job I only use my hotmail account for signing up to things I expect to get spam from [12:31] i used mailinator the other day for that, works well [12:34] Thats quite a good idea [12:36] * DJones checks cia@mailinator.com [13:19] I had expected this channel to be a hotbed of tablet speculation [13:19] paracetamol/ibuprofen? [13:19] Tick, tock, tablet time! http://www.ubuntu.com/ [13:19] we did that yesterday awilkins ☺ [13:19] Bah [13:20] Yesterday I had to pick up the exploded pieces of servers [13:20] feel free to continue the speculation [13:20] less than 3 hours to go [13:21] ICT have also decided it's a great idea for our windows desktops to only listen to localhost for services [13:21] Including Remote Desktop [13:21] (d'oh) [13:21] haha [13:21] Also including IIS, file sharing, NAT ports on virtual servers [13:21] And the TCP ports on our desktop management tools and remote support VNC servers [13:21] :-D [13:22] do you get to explain why that's really not that great an idea? [13:22] I get the security angle. But it's like the adage that the only secure computer is one that's powered off in your filing cabinet. It's not useful. [13:23] http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/19/htc-one-final-press-images-leak-ahead-of-todays-launch-event/ [13:23] I filled in a support ticket. I suppose my opinion probably carries a bit more weight now so when that fails to bear fruit I can make disgruntled noises at the security manager [13:24] Ooh, 64GB storage option [13:24] Wonder how rootable it is [13:24] * awilkins is in the market for a new phone because his N900 is lovely but the software doesn't really cut it anymore [13:28] funkychic [13:29] hey [13:29] http://i.imgur.com/ABBpg64.png oh hello :-) [13:30]