[10:29] <rmg51> Morning
[12:13] <JonathanD> hey.
[12:23] <rmg51> o/
[12:23] <rmg51> bye
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs and turkeys
[13:08] <InHisName> morning
[13:09] <InHisName> teddy-dbear: does your greeting not include paulproteus ?
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> only if he fits in
[13:09] <InHisName> protozoa ?
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> is he a people a dog or a turkey?
[13:10] <InHisName> bacteria ?
[13:10] <InHisName> what about a log ?
[13:10] <InHisName> or a COT ?
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> that would make him below notice
[13:10] <InHisName> or a Lord ?
[13:11] <teddy-dbear> file them under peoples
[13:11] <InHisName> stump too ?
[13:12] <teddy-dbear> if he's not left over tree
[16:29]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[16:33] <InHisName> I used to save ALL my tabs in FireFox to a bookmarks folder.   I can't seem to find that action, Where to look ?
[16:39] <teddy-dbear> it should be under bookmarks - bookmark all tabs
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> i'm here I'm a turkey
[17:19] <MutantTurkey> i'd really love to get my blog going as "mutantturkeytalk"
[17:19] <MutantTurkey> but ya know
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> That is too long
[17:20] <ChinnoDog> turkeytalk.com <- shorter
[17:21] <ChinnoDog> letstalkturkey.com <- just as long but familiar
[17:21] <ChinnoDog> giblets.com <- shortest
[17:25] <MutantTurkey> I mean i already have mutantturkey.com
[17:25] <MutantTurkey> so who cares
[17:26] <ChinnoDog> ooh. You mean the name of your blog not the  URL
[17:26]  * ChinnoDog nominates "giblets" as a better name
[17:27] <jedijf> blogging is hard
[17:28] <ChinnoDog> Mine is neglected again. I need to develop a habit where I write a post twice a week or something.
[17:28] <InHisName> teddy-dbear: I see it in ubuntu 32 bit 12.10,  but not in ubuntu 64bit 12.10,  Both running firefox 18.02   wow!  The line "bookmark all tabs"   is missing from the 64 bit machine.  All other things being the same.
[17:29] <InHisName> Might that be a setting diff somewhere ?
[17:30] <rmg51> this is a 64-bit laptop and it's there
[17:30] <MutantTurkey> weird
[17:30] <MutantTurkey> that weird
[17:31] <rmg51> same versions of both
[18:56] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> okay so I am looking at internet plans
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> any recommendations?
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> what is Mbps vs actual download rates?
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, google.
[21:53] <waltman> Well, in theory the Mbps IS the actual download rate...
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> Mbps = Megabits.
[21:53] <waltman> per second
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> https://www.google.com/search?q=megabits+to+megabytes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> yes, i know, its firefox searchification, but...
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> still.
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> 15 Mbps in theory is about 1.875MBps
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MBps = MegaBytes per second
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> emphasis on the "in theory" part
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> gotcha
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> because theory vs. actual is very different.
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> so I want like 4MB/s down and 2/MBs up
[21:54] <waltman> I'm going to give MutantTurkey a pass this time because he just spent the last hour at the open bar after today's engineer's week reception :)
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> is that realistic?
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, outside of a datacenter, no.
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> waltman: nope... because they wouldn't let me
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> :[
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, not reliably realistic at least.
[21:54] <waltman> HAH
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, what "plans" are you looking at
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> TheLordOfTime: I mean I have 2/MBs at my house?
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> with FioS
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> LINK OR DIE
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> none yet, their websites are horrible to navigate
[21:55] <waltman> I get 3 with comcast
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> just looked at verizon and comcast so far
[21:55] <waltman> down
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> how much up?
[21:55] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, what location are you at
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> East Falls hopefully
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> (also, I get 54Mbps download speeds, theoreticak 6.75MB/s, actual is about 3MB/s
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> but its not cheapish)
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> TheLordOfTime: I mean why don't they give you actual rates?
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> doesnt that violate the contract?
[21:56] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: in the city best bang for buck is comcast
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, probably regional usage at least.
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> comcast has 50mbps @ 60 bucks...
[21:56] <jedijf> and i hate comcast
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: me too
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, tbh, 54Mbps is the down speed i get on campus.
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> but its not via Comcast.
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> fios has not gone down once since I moved to it a long tim eago
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> and campus has a TON of bandwidth at least
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> drexel has me spoiled :p
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> having said this, at my apartment, well...
[21:57] <jedijf> fios is stooopid high in the city proper - a hivemate just went thru this in gtown residence
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> ... business calss :P
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> class *
[21:57] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: long wire
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> I get like 20M/s at drexel
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> the thing is, I don't need TV
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> it's all this bundle crap
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, i get less, but closer to 15MB/s on campus here, at carnegie mellon i had in the range of 30MB/s.
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> nice :-)
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> TheLordOfTime: also depends on your test server
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> at my apartment, its irrelevant, business class :P
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> lucky
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, how about the other side of the state? :P
[21:58] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you almost have to take the bundles or you burn dollars
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> agreed with jedijf
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> but isn't 20megabits 2.5 Megs down?
[21:59] <jedijf> my fios in abington is 15/5 for 55 iirc
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> anyone used clear? I dunno that's an option
[21:59] <JonathanD> I was using clear until recently.
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: that's exactly what we have
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: and?
[21:59] <JonathanD> Then the local tower went away.
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> ah
[22:00] <JonathanD> and the quality collapsed.
[22:00] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: I know a field tech, since they were bought things have gone downhill
[22:00] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: completely useless for online gaming but acceptable otherwise.
[22:00] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: i have clear that i don't use as a backup - i actually use phone as first backup, clear is now relegated to second on the road internet connection
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> I don't know what i have at home, but I need to check
[22:01] <JonathanD> I hate comcast but now we have them.
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: and it's how good or bad?
[22:01] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: clear?
[22:01] <JonathanD> or comcast?
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> that and comcast
[22:01] <JonathanD> it was pretty good. Ok speeds, not super fast. The latency was the biggest issue.
[22:01] <JonathanD> comcast quality wise has been ok so far.
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[22:02] <JonathanD> But they're comcast.
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> comcast has a "Performance" one for 35 a month.. that's 20d/4u
[22:02] <jedijf> that's the win
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> oh dang it's some special.... I dunno
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> gah
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> no I am not getting sucked in with a special
[22:02] <JonathanD> I had no desire whatsoever for cable but getting it without is nearly impossible.
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> can you still get just basic cable?
[22:03] <JonathanD> Yeah.
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> ever heard of RCN philadelphia?
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> I just googled it and it came up
[22:04] <JonathanD> Heard of yes. But thats all.
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> that's 40 a month for 50mb and 6 up
[22:06] <MutantTurkey> gah no service in my locatio
[22:12] <MutantTurkey> adsfasfdkj
[22:12] <MutantTurkey> very infuriating