[03:54] <luciano> hello
[06:43] <contrapunctus> Hey folks, can someone please help me out? The taskbar/systray has disappeared and is not coming back after a reboot either! o.o'
[06:44] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, with ubuntustudio????
[06:46] <SzArAk> zequence: opensource amd drivers works perfectly with lowlatency kernel, but in my current setupp it fails to switch to the other (stronger) graphics card. I found some bugs opened for similar cases.
[06:48] <contrapunctus> Yup, cfhowlett, ubuntuStudio o.o
[06:48] <SzArAk> zequence: so i thought i could have both after switching to fglrx - good graphics performance for gaming and nice jackd environment, but it occured that in my current situation fglrx is a mess.
[06:48] <SzArAk> zequence: thankfully i'm not much of a gamer :) jackd is more important :D
[06:54] <contrapunctus> cfhowlett Thankfully I know quite a lot of things from the CLI, but not _everything_ :\
[06:55] <contrapunctus> One does need the taskbar/systray for some stuff =\
[06:55] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, pretty sure that's a xfce service need a kick in the pants ....
[06:57] <packetfrog> xfwm4 ?
[06:58] <cfhowlett> I think so.  so   service-restart
[06:58] <packetfrog> xfwm was what hid from me yesterday. ;/
[06:58] <packetfrog> I use a panel for my systray though.
[06:59] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, task bar is a quick and convenient shortcut.  ALL functionality is also in the CLI and the menu system
[07:00] <contrapunctus> I tried xfwm4 and xfce4-panel
[07:01] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, try this.  logout.  select a different session and login.  then go back to US ...
[07:01] <contrapunctus> Hm...do you know how I can switch the power manager from normal to presentation and back from the CLI?
[07:01] <contrapunctus> Ima try that too.
[07:02] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, one issue at a time plz
[07:03] <contrapunctus> I assure you, this is related - it's perhaps the only thing I need the taskbar for
[07:03] <contrapunctus> brb trying the logout solution
[07:05] <contrapunctus> Nopes, no luck with logout-switch-session-login-logout-switch-session-login method.
[07:07] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, try this: settings > settings manager >panel    maybe delete and recreate the panel?  or ensure that you didn't set it to invisible or only 1 pixel tall or something?  I've done it ...
[07:08] <contrapunctus> cfhowlett, packetfrog, I should probably mention that when I run xfce4-panel, I get the bottom app launcher alright, but no taskbar...
[07:09] <contrapunctus> xfwm4 --replace, xfce4-panel -r, xfce4-panel -q and then -r, didn't work.
[07:09] <packetfrog> Contrapunctus  i had a similar issue  but i went to panel settings and made another panel and added everything i needed into it.
[07:09] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, bottom launcher ???? what ?  paste a screenshot
[07:09] <packetfrog> cfhowlett he has a dock  no taskbar
[07:10] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, so bottom launcher is .... ?
[07:10] <packetfrog> a dock  like macos
[07:10] <packetfrog> He wants the taskbar that had the time and where his minimized windows are..
[07:11] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, ah, he has to add that I think. Since the bottom dock is there, no taskbar by default ...
[07:11] <cfhowlett> still want a screenshot though ...
[07:11] <packetfrog> the ubuntustudio install comes with the docker at bottom and the taskbar on top
[07:12] <cfhowlett> !paste
[07:14] <contrapunctus> cfhowlett, I didn't touch the thing. I accidentally long-pressed Alt+F4 and away it went. :S
[07:14] <cfhowlett> alt-F4, huh?  Gotta test that ...
[07:15] <cfhowlett> This is the default set then;  http://imagebin.org/247252
[07:18] <contrapunctus> Yeah, it's as packetfrog describes (except I've never used a Mac so I dunno about that)
[07:19] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, alt-f4 only tried to log me out.  No effect on display...
[07:20] <packetfrog> contrapunctus  My fix for the same problem was to make an extra dock panel and add everything I needed into that..
[07:20] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, right click on the top panel, go into preferences, hit the plus sight and add what you what
[07:20] <packetfrog> !paste
[07:20] <contrapunctus> O.o wonder what crashed it, then.
[07:21] <contrapunctus> One sec, Ima try the settings > settings man > panel fix...
[07:21] <cfhowlett> windows buttons/workplace switcher/window menu are what you want I think
[07:21] <packetfrog> http://imagebin.org/247253
[07:21] <packetfrog> thats what I ended up with. :)
[07:22] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, yeah, I think you altered the panel settings.  but it's still there for you to rebuild
[07:22] <packetfrog> Its not in panel settings
[07:22] <packetfrog> the taskbar was something else..
[07:22] <cfhowlett> preferences ...
[07:23] <cfhowlett> right click on the panel and see PREFERENCES
[07:23] <packetfrog> I cant recreate a taskbar like I had with that. I can only make the one I have on top that does the same thing.
[07:23] <packetfrog> :p
[07:23] <packetfrog> I like this better though so I am happy.
[07:24] <packetfrog> I completely admit I do not understand most of this though. just trying to figure it all out. :)
[07:24] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, it'll come.
[07:24] <cfhowlett> we learn by breaking and fixing
[07:25] <packetfrog> its fun. :)
[07:25] <contrapunctus> Aha
[07:26] <contrapunctus> Interesting
[07:26] <contrapunctus> I think it's getting there, I just need to make it exactly like the original one
[07:26] <packetfrog> contrapuntus You can prbly make it size and stretch the systemtask bar part and recreate the old one.
[07:28] <packetfrog> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=77356
[07:28] <packetfrog> that seems to be a likely fix
[07:28] <packetfrog> remove xfce4 panel and remove its config files  then reinstall.
[07:30] <contrapunctus> Hm...Ima try that.
[07:30] <contrapunctus> because I can't get it to look like the original just yet
[07:31] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, wait 1 I'll help
[07:42] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, you there?
[07:43] <contrapunctus> Yup
[07:43] <cfhowlett> OK, I just recreated mine ... after I somehow lost it as you did.
[07:43] <cfhowlett> Very easy to lose and easy to get back ...
[07:45] <contrapunctus> o.o
[07:49] <cfhowlett> contrapunctus, see http://imagebin.org/247254
[07:53] <packetfrog> Nice.
[07:54] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, use that right mouse button.  all kinds of tweaks, preferences and behaviors hide there
[07:56] <packetfrog> Slowly I am getting there. ;)
[07:56] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, :)
[07:58] <cfhowlett> in case y'all want some (IMHO) lovely wallpapers, I updated an old favorite ... http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/beautiful-ubuntu-ray-traced-wallpapers
[09:06] <cfhowlett> !paste
[09:13] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, ?
[09:13] <cfhowlett> !md5sum
[09:13] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw, working a problem here.
[09:34] <packetfrog> cfhowlett: I seem to have messed up a font setting  but I have not gotten to touching those yet...  in firefox and on my panel term thing  I cant see what I type... :/   any idea where those settings are?
[09:34] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, display or appearance would be my guess
[09:38] <packetfrog> thanks. It was just a theme changing the font I think.
[09:38] <packetfrog> Now It looks better ! :P
[09:41] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, time for you to start helping others!  You know how to solve ubuntu problems!
[09:42] <packetfrog> hardware android ubuntu and here    I google the crap out of stuff for people :p
[09:43] <packetfrog> and try to pay attention to what other people are getting helped with so I can learn from that too.
[09:43] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, that's definitely one way to learn
[09:49] <packetfrog> Hello contra
[09:51] <contrapunctus> packetfrog...purging xfce4-panel and then installing it again didn't work, not even after rebooting.
[09:51] <contrapunctus> I've built the taskbar again, though
[09:51] <contrapunctus> More or less resembles the earlier one, close enough.
[09:52] <packetfrog> cfhowlett: had a fix for u
[09:52] <contrapunctus> He doesn't seem to be here o.o
[09:53] <packetfrog> http://imagebin.org/247254
[09:53] <packetfrog> recreate it like that
[09:53] <packetfrog> in panel settings
[09:53] <packetfrog> is what he posted.
[09:56] <contrapunctus> Aha, that'll be helpful, thanks ^^
[09:56] <contrapunctus> Could anyone please tell me how to do the following by using only the keyboard or CLI - 1. switch between 'normal' and 'presentation' power manager modes, and 2. lock the screen?
[10:02] <packetfrog> Only because no one else is answering uoi
[10:02] <packetfrog> you*
[10:02] <packetfrog> you can install: gnome-screensaver
[10:03] <packetfrog> then from command line: gnome-screensaver-command -l or --lock
[10:03] <packetfrog> and ctrl alt l    will do the same I think
[11:06] <taxi> hello
[11:07] <taxi> i'm having no sound since i updated the kernel in ubuntustudio 12.04 this morning
[11:08] <taxi> is there any knozn bug with 3.5.0-24.23 ?
[11:08] <taxi> known*
[11:16] <taxi> anyone here ?
[14:39] <astroidus> anyone here ?
[14:39] <cfhowlett> astroidus, peeking in from time to time
[14:41] <astroidus> have some problems with my sound installation (I hope, my bad english would me no problem...)
[14:41] <astroidus> be
[14:41] <cfhowlett> astroidus, bring it over to #ubuntu ... more eyes
[14:43] <astroidus> I've been there yesterday. They all have other problems and no idea about sound in ubuntu
[15:05] <holstein> !sound | astroidus
[18:33] <antivapor> hi, i see in my Ubuntu Software Center that Bluetooth is installed, but I can't figure out where to navigate to get to it?
[18:39] <packetfrog> . There were 2 bluetooth packages that didn't install. One was 4.98 2ubuntu7, and the other was gnome- bluetooth 3.2.2-0buntu5. I installed this same system on 2 different pc with the same result. Once those packages were installed, it worked just fine. Those two need to be included in the distro
[18:40] <packetfrog> So goto synaptic and search :"bluetooth" and try installing those packages?
[18:40] <packetfrog> Just what i found on the forum.
[18:40] <packetfrog> You likely have the software to USE bluetooth  just not the software to control it? :0
[18:43] <antivapor> packetfrog: that sounds about right, I'll try that, thanks.
[18:44] <packetfrog> :)
[19:06] <packetfrog> antivapor: Any luck?
[19:09] <antivapor> Will know in a second, I'm installing Bluetooth Device Setup gnome-bluetooth 3.6.-0ubuntu1
[19:09] <antivapor> what is blueman and why are all the names for all these versions #ubuntu#
[19:11] <antivapor> after installing 'Bluetooth Support', 'Bluetooth Transfer', and 'Bluetooth Device Setup', I still don't see it anywhere to configure/setup.
[19:12] <antivapor> the application finder doesnt come up with anything either
[19:13] <packetfrog> applications>settings>bluetooth settings at top
[19:13] <packetfrog> install blueman
[19:14] <antivapor> will it conflict with bluez?
[19:14] <packetfrog> No idea, i just did it and it worked though.
[19:14] <packetfrog> I dont use bluetooth though.
[19:14] <packetfrog> now i get to uninstall it :/
[19:15] <antivapor> ha, okay, I'm installing myself. I was avoiding blueman, because I thought it was a seperate bluetooth stack or something, but I see now that it is just a management utility.
[19:16] <packetfrog> Sorry for the runaround with other stuff
[19:16] <packetfrog> blueman popped right up and started scanning for devices
[19:17] <packetfrog> and im on a standard us install
[19:18] <antivapor> okay, thanks for all the help packetfrog. Now that I have a utility I can now try to get my fickle bluetooth keyboard going :]
[19:18] <packetfrog> Do you like bluetooth keyboards/mice?
[19:18] <packetfrog> I have never used one. i keep going with the usb dongle type.
[19:19] <antivapor> Yes, I got a Motorolla bluetooth keyboard, and it has been excellent for using with my tablet and the windows partition on this computer.
[19:20] <antivapor> but sometimes I have to reset it to factory settings if it saves the wrong info or something.
[19:21] <packetfrog> That makes sence. I do not have tablets or anything like that so i can use the usb dongle. ;/
[21:03] <Inoki> Yo lads, anybody alive here?
[21:16] <zequence> Inoki: wasup?
[21:26] <Inoki> zequence: Yo, by the time someone replied I forgot what I wanted :D
[21:27] <zequence> Inoki: If you have a question, it's usually best just to ask :). Sometimes things get a little idle, but eventually someone answers
[21:27] <Inoki> zequence: Ah! Now I know! :D
[21:28] <Inoki> zequence: Thing is, I'm using Kupfer, but cannot set it to open URLs by default when I have FF installed. My main is Chromium, but when I wanna open a URL via Kupfer, it fires up Firefox. >.>
[21:31] <len-1304> Inoki, are you using ubuntustudio or another ubuntu? That is are you using xfce as the desktop?
[21:33] <Inoki> len-1304: Ubuntu Studio :)
[21:33] <Inoki> len-1304: 12.10 x64 bit.
[21:35] <len-1304> Ok, so xfce. Xfce uses exo-open to open the browser.
[21:36] <len-1304> So if you use setting to choose the default browser, that is what will be set.
[21:37] <len-1304> I do not know which app starter kupfer uses though. I do know there is a gnome app starter, that we probably don't set up.
[21:40] <len-1304> Inoki, there is also a gnome-open, but I don't know how to set up the apps it uses for things as the man page doesn't tell me.
[21:41] <Inoki> len-1304: I've checked exo-open, that one I got correctly set up.
[21:42] <len-1304> Ya exo-open is the xfce default. We should probable make gnome-open a link to that.
[21:45] <Inoki> Would be nice.
[21:45] <len-1304> There is also gvfs-open,  and xdg-open
[21:45] <Inoki> Kupfer is by far superior to Dash or any other launcher.
[21:45] <Inoki> Didn't try gvfs.
[21:45] <zequence> It's not good to change gnome specific stuff
[21:46] <zequence> After all, someone might install multiple desktops
[21:46] <len-1304> zequence, ya, if it follows the xdg standard it should work anyway.
[21:46] <Inoki> zequence: My experience tells me mixing up libraries of any kind is not recommended. Thus, I wanted XFCE, so I have a pure build.
[21:47] <zequence> I'm of course talking about default settings on the Ubuntu Studio install. You can of course do this manually after install, if you wish
[21:48] <zequence> Not all applications seem to follow the same standards
[21:48] <zequence> My knowledge of this is pretty poor
[21:48] <Inoki> For what I know, installing another DE into an existing one never really worked, since a lot of stuff a pure build of let's say KDE is missing.
[21:49] <zequence> Gnome and Unity mixes ok, since they use the same base, and it depends a lot on exactly what you install concerning the others, in my experience.
[21:50] <len-1304> zequence, I don't know where the exo-open defaults are stored.
[21:51] <Inoki> len-1304: /usr/bin/exo-open I think
[21:51] <Inoki> len-1304: Try sudo mousepad /usr/bin/xdg-open e.g.
[21:52] <zequence> len-1304: I suppose it would be good to document this basic desktop stuff. One would think Xubuntu has docs on this, or XFCE
[21:52] <len-1304> I can find the filemanager/terminal emulator settings but not mailer/browser.
[21:52] <zequence> Inoki: That's the binary. Settings for it are elsewhere
[21:52] <len-1304> It is supposed to end up in the user's directory
[21:52] <zequence> Is there /usr/bin/exo-open?
[21:53] <zequence> Is it not just a variable?
[21:53] <len-1304> What I found was in ~/.config/xfce4
[21:53] <len-1304> Yes that is the binary name.
[21:54] <zequence> One could try adding this to ~/.bashrc: export xdg-open=chromium-browser
[21:54] <zequence> And any other variable
[21:54] <len-1304> gvfs-open suggests the default file should be /etc/xdg/applications/mimeapps.list
[21:55] <zequence> weird. "-" does strange things
[21:55] <len-1304> This would end up in each user's ~/.config/applications/*
[21:55] <zequence> len-1304: When making the settings, I guess they are stored in home though?
[21:55] <zequence> Ah, yeah
[21:56] <len-1304> But xfce does not set this.
[21:56] <zequence> Forget I said anything about the variable. I'm getting tired :P
[21:56] <len-1304> I don't know if that is opendesktop compliant
[21:57] <zequence> there are a bunch of xdg-* tools
[21:57] <zequence> one of them is xdg-settings
[21:58] <zequence> xdg-settings get default-web-browser
[21:58] <zequence> shows current browser
[21:58] <zequence> This would set chromium: xdg-settings set default-web-browser google-chrome.desktop
[21:59] <len-1304> does that work for exo-open as well?
[21:59] <zequence> I'm not on XFCE, so I can't test it
[22:00] <SonikkuAmerica> What's needed to test as far as XFCE is concerned?
[22:00] <len-1304> Ah, I think I found it. ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[22:01] <zequence> I don't have that file
[22:02] <Inoki> len-1304: That I checked as well.
[22:02] <Inoki> len-1304: I went through possibly every guide I found.
[22:03] <zequence> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-open
[22:03] <len-1304> The one in /usr/share/applications/defaults.list has many more applications
[22:04] <len-1304> It would be system default. I think the one in ~/.local only has things the user has changed away from default.
[22:05] <zequence> I suppose so
[22:05] <len-1304> The one in ~/.config/xfce4/ would be added xfce stuff. I am not sure what order these files are searched though.
[22:06] <Inoki> I suppose changing this: "text/html=firefox.desktop;google-chrome.desktop" to this "text/html=google-chrome.desktop;firefox.desktop" could do, lemme try.
[22:06] <len-1304> I think xfce4 would search it's own dir first then the user then sys default.
[22:07] <Inoki> nope.
[22:07] <Inoki> But maybe via Galternatives it could work.
[22:11] <len-1304> application/xhtml+xml=firefox.desktop is the default.
[22:11] <Inoki> Yer, was thinking the same....
[22:11] <Inoki> Wait,
[22:12] <len-1304> plus text/html=firefox.desktop
[22:12] <len-1304> plus text/xml=firefox.desktop
[22:12] <len-1304> plus x-scheme-handler/http=firefox.desktop
[22:12] <len-1304> x-scheme-handler/https=firefox.desktop
[22:13] <len-1304> Those last two seem to be what xfce setup plays with.
[22:13] <Inoki> Wait, you're suggesting to remove firefox completely?
[22:13] <len-1304> No.
[22:13] <Inoki> Or reverse order.
[22:14] <len-1304> I am saying to add all of these lines to the user file.
[22:14] <len-1304> but with your browser in them.
[22:14] <Inoki> Those lines are there.
[22:14] <Inoki> But like this: x-scheme-handler/https=firefox.desktop;google-chrome.desktop
[22:15] <Inoki> I suspect that since Firefox is positioned first, it has higher priority.
[22:15] <len-1304> the first one would be the default.
[22:15] <Inoki> I could do a backup of this file and remove firefox from it completely.
[22:16] <len-1304> Yup.
[22:16] <len-1304> copy to *.tsil
[22:17] <Inoki> What's .tsil?
[22:17] <len-1304> list backwards
[22:17] <Inoki> Ok, gimme a sec.
[22:21] <Inoki> Yer, works.
[22:22] <Inoki> I simply used gedit to find all traces of google-chrome.desktop first and replace with blank space, then find firefox.desktop and replace with google-chrome.desktop
[22:22] <Inoki> Now all links open correctly in Chromium :)
[22:23] <Inoki> Thanks both! :)
[22:25] <len-1304> NP. Gotta go get son now.
[22:27] <Inoki> Take care :)