[00:45] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1130426] update-manager unresolvable problem 'Could not initialize the package information' (libqtc... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1130426 (by Ciaran Neeson)
[01:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  What bug.
[06:29] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[07:01] <jussi> o/
[07:31] <soee> good morning
[09:48] <Riddell> yay qtwebkit 2.3 compiled
[09:48] <Riddell> !testers | qtwebkit 2.3 in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[10:21] <gorgonizer> Can I thank all the Kubuntu Ninjas for their superlative efforts with Raring (amazingly stable for Alpha 2), KDE SC 4.10 and KDE Telepathy..  it is amazingly smooth and stable, and uses a lot less memory than previous releases.. very impressed..
[10:22] <Riddell> thanks happily received gorgonizer :)
[10:22]  * Riddell trying out windows 8, not too impressed so far
[10:22] <gorgonizer> if you ever need anything testing, let me know, will be happy to help out..
[10:23] <gorgonizer> I cannot get past the Metro interface..
[10:23] <Tm_T> gorgonizer: rumour says that qtwebkit 2.3 in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[10:23] <gorgonizer> ooh, will have a look.. :)
[10:24] <Riddell> gorgonizer: yep please install that webkit and check rekonq and other bits still work
[10:25] <gorgonizer> will do :)
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Hey ya shadeslayer Riddell yofel_ 
[10:28] <smartboyhw> I saw a new build of calligra -0ubuntu2 so I messed up it in the end?
[10:32] <soee> gorgonizer, how long are you using raring a2  ?
[10:34] <gorgonizer> since last Friday I believe, after my machine had an issue with 3.7 kernel and nvidia drivers..
[10:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yofel_ made some fixes you might want to review over
[10:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/1121985
[10:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[10:37] <gorgonizer> well, webkit 2.3 seems nice and nippy in reKonq.. but flash doesn't work (though I think that is my configuration).. flash works in Konqueror but it seems a bit slower to load and respond (though that may be as I use it as my file manager primarily..
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: still getting build fails :(
[10:39] <gorgonizer> rekonq page loading kicks the arse of the latest firefox released on raring..
[10:40] <gorgonizer> seems to retain the same loading speed in Konqueror too (on non-Flash pages),,
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, any more packaging to do? 
[10:44] <gorgonizer> though I have noticed that pages that autoupdate do cause a slowdown within Konqueror, so the whole window becomes unusable until the auto-update has completed..
[10:45] <gorgonizer> will check that page in reKonq..
[10:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: calligra could do with a backport?
[10:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK. 
[10:51] <gorgonizer> well, reKonq is happily displaying two auto-updating webpages and playing music from Google Play Music with no issues, can happily switch between the tabs and get open new pages too, with no issues
[10:56] <Riddell> gorgonizer: flash working?
[10:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I e-mailed adjam about qtwebkti 2.3 but no reply yet, channel seems dead, what do you think?  should we upload?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn I can't calligra-libs from calligra -0ubuntu2
[10:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can't what?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, install
[10:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what happens?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> the librcps_plam.so.11.0.0 is still there
[10:57] <gorgonizer> Riddell: not in reKonq, but in Konqueror..
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/calligra-libs_1%3a2.6.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[10:57] <smartboyhw>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/librcps_plan.so.11.0.0', which is also in package calligraplan 1:2.6.1-0ubuntu2
[10:57] <Riddell> gorgonizer: hmm, that's a problem
[10:58] <smartboyhw> I will propose an immediate fix for that one
[10:58] <Riddell> hmm youtube is using html5 in rekonq for me
[10:59] <Riddell> which I suppose is nice to know html5 is working but means I don't know how to test flash
[10:59] <gorgonizer> Riddell: with a number of tabs open trying to open About reKonq causes a freeze, which has just stopped Google Play from streaming a tune..
[10:59] <Riddell> gorgonizer: does this page work for flash? http://www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/info/en/help/requirements/flash.html
[10:59] <gorgonizer> Riddell: if your are in the UK, go to iPlayer.. Flash only as far as I know..
[11:00] <Riddell> gorgonizer: oh iplayer has always been broken with rekonq
[11:01] <Riddell> that's an iplayer issue nothing to do with rekonq though :(
[11:01] <Riddell> it's just the bbc not doing browser detection right
[11:01] <gorgonizer> oh.. that is a shame.. ahh.. why does that not surprise me about the BBC??
[11:02] <gorgonizer> yes, that flash page you linked me to works... does Youtube have the same issue as iPlayer then?
[11:02] <apachelogger> oh well
[11:02] <gorgonizer> as youtube is showing a black video box for me..
[11:02] <Riddell> youtube works fine, and today it works using html5
[11:02] <apachelogger> they made their video format free
[11:02] <apachelogger> that's something
[11:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the strange thing is: It SHOULD be fixed already
[11:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, bah yofel_ didn't include the fix in....
[11:04] <gorgonizer> ahh, reKong plays Youtube videos after I signed in.. so that seems fine then :)
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: calligra-libs installs fine for me
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it doesn't for me (-proposed enabled)
[11:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh I don't have calligraplan
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah try that and it will fail
[11:06] <gorgonizer> so it is happily streaming music from Google and playing a youtube video (thank electrons for Geoff Peterson)..
[11:06] <Riddell> gorgonizer: this google music streaming, is that your music on Google Drive or something else?
[11:07] <gorgonizer> Err, Google Play Music.. it is part of the Google Play store for Android, that allows you to store your music collection in the cloud..
[11:08] <gorgonizer> there is a manager applet available from Google for the Linux Desktop to upload your music collection if so desired..
[11:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, for that fix do I put medium or high or still low for urgency?
[11:10] <apachelogger> everyone always praises the electrons
[11:10] <apachelogger> and no one ever thinks of the poor phonons
[11:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/calligra-libs_1%3a2.6.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/librcps_plan.so.11.0.0', which is also in package calligraplan 1:2.6.0-0ubuntu1
[11:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: boom!
[11:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just leave urgency at low
[11:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you know how to fix that?
[11:10] <gorgonizer> are phonons the theoretical carrier particle for temperature?  or is that wrong?
[11:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep I know
[11:14] <apachelogger> me not caring very much, I always say phonons are the result of a bunch of atoms getting aroused...
[11:15] <gorgonizer> Riddell: it appears that until I scroll up and down the html5 player does not load, but know I know that, it is not an issue..
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/calligra-2.6.1-0ubuntu3-fix/+merge/149529
[11:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: needs breaks/replaces too
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think yofel_ did thhat
[11:21] <smartboyhw> I confirm Riddell yofel_ just missed the two deleting lines (WEIRD)
[11:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but now it's needed for the new version
[11:22] <Riddell> so bump what he added up to ubuntu3
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what do you mean?
[11:23] <Riddell> calligraplan   Breaks: calligra-libs (<< 1:2.6.1-0ubuntu2)
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no you see he did an -0ubuntu2 with the break/replace but without actually deleting the librcps_plan.so.11.0.0 and librcps_plan.so.11 
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah I get it
[11:23] <smartboyhw> wait
[11:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that needs to be less than ubuntu3 now since ubuntu2 was also broken
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, check again the merge..the control file is edited
[11:28] <gorgonizer> Riddell: with reKonq just crashed..
[11:29] <Riddell> gorgonizer: fooey
[11:29] <gorgonizer> generating a crash report now..  though I am going to retry to see if happens again before I do.
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait don't merge
[11:33]  * Riddell holds breath
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I just updated the branch (again) since I simply forgot to change UNRELEASED to raring :P
[11:34] <smartboyhw> And forget to document the control file change
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, should be OK to merge and upload now
[11:35]  * Riddell breaths
[11:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded!
[11:43] <yofel__> smartboyhw, Riddell: uh, seems I messed up. Thanks for fixing. (I originally tried to fix that, noticed a few other things and lost the original fix while redoing it -.-)
[11:48] <gorgonizer> Riddell: rather involved crash report filed with bugs.kde.org...
[11:50] <gorgonizer> however rekonq impresses me more each time I use it :D
[11:51] <Riddell> a rare rekonq fan!
[11:52] <Riddell> I find it works great but tends to fail randomly after much use, javascript stops working or it keeps warning about ssl connections or the address bar doesn't accept typing
[11:54] <gorgonizer> I have so many browsers installed it is silly, I tend to use FF in the main, with the occasional use of Chrome for flash based sports streams..
[11:54] <gorgonizer> so I may try to use rekonq more extensively to see how it compares with prolonged usage..
[11:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel__ : :D
[11:56] <gorgonizer> right, bedtime for me.. good night all!
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Gee my Ubuntu membership application starts 3 minutes later
[11:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: later than what?
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, 12:00 UTC :P
[11:58] <Tm_T> than present time
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, thx for explanation:P
[11:58]  * smartboyhw is hoping that he will succeed
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Shouldn't be difficult though
[11:58] <Riddell> do we need to show up and say what a useful chap you are?
[11:58] <Tm_T> as in 1 minute from now
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, if you want to please do.....
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Hey BluesKaj 
[12:01] <Riddell> smartboyhw: where's your wiki page?
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw
[12:01] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[12:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hey you speak chinese?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[12:04] <Riddell> that means you can tell us if our input method support is any good
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Jesus why is EVERYBODY asking me about inputs?
[12:04] <Riddell> because they're scary and fragile and none of us use them :)
[12:04] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: could you give me some input?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, what input?
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK but first of all I need to help my Hong Kong people to package ibus software for cangjie and quick...:P
[12:05] <Riddell> Tm_T: don't confuse him!
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[12:06]  * Tm_T huggles smartboyhw ♥ 
[12:06] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, LOL
[12:07] <Tm_T> with all motherly love, ofcourse
[12:07] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1053166] 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu1 ftbfs on armel/armhf @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1053166 (by Matthias Klose)
[12:10] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1124149] Kubuntu 13.04 power button always turn off system @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1124149 (by Turbo)
[12:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you should have just gone for kubuntu membership, we show up to our meetings (when we bother to organise them) :)
[12:18] <Darkwing> Morning
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the problem is: Time doesn't fit
[12:19] <yofel__> smartboyhw: we have no fixed time, so something could be done there
[12:19] <yofel__> how did it go anyway?
[12:20] <Riddell> yofel__: still waiting in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:20] <smartboyhw> yofel_, hasn't started that. They said they have only reached quorum few minutes ago
[12:20] <yofel__> ah
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell, smartboyhw: also getting a kubuntu membership autogrants ubuntu membership ;)
[12:23] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I know
[12:33] <apachelogger> we need some plan for bugs
[12:33] <apachelogger> they are coming out my nose
[12:33] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, oh no
[12:34]  * Darkwing grins
[12:34] <yofel__> while at it. Could someone finally subscribe ~kubuntu-bugs to kubuntu-ppa? I feel like the single existing triager for our PPA bugs
[12:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I haven't tested it
[12:34] <Darkwing> apachelogger: you coming to UDS this spring?
[12:35] <apachelogger> yofel__: that's because you are
[12:35] <apachelogger> Darkwing: unlikely
[12:35] <Darkwing> apachelogger: uni?
[12:35] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:35] <Riddell> these ubuntu membership people like to keep the suspension levels high
[12:36] <apachelogger> lol
[12:36] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: you could've got ubuntu membership by Kubuntu folks too I'd say
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, :)
[12:36] <Darkwing> I would have +1ed it
[12:36] <apachelogger> would have been faster anyway
[12:36] <Tm_T> Kubuntu council is still eligible to give memberships you know
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, I know.....................................
[12:37] <yofel__> he's on +3 already anyway
[12:37] <Darkwing> lol
[12:37] <smartboyhw> +4 :P
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Should be easy then:P
[12:37] <Darkwing> And you could have gottenthe cool @kubuntu.org email addy
[12:38] <Tm_T> he still can get it
[12:38] <yofel__> well, adding kubuntu-membership ontop of ubuntu-membership should be trivial
[12:38] <apachelogger> that depends on what the council thinks of him first getting an ubuntu membership...
[12:38] <yofel__> apachelogger: I would've done that too if I hadn't been as lazy as I was
[12:38] <Tm_T> true, true apachelogger son (:
[12:38] <Darkwing> hehehe
[12:39]  * Tm_T huggles Darkwing ♥
[12:39] <Tm_T> he's alive!
[12:39] <Darkwing> Hey Tm_T!
[12:39] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:39] <Darkwing> Yup! Back and happier
[12:39] <Tm_T> snappier too
[12:39] <Darkwing> Who knew that divorce could improve ones self
[12:40] <Darkwing> Well, and a move cross country and uni
[12:40] <smartboyhw> That's nice:P
[12:40] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: let me know when you need some cloak loving
[12:41] <Darkwing> I'm actually going to be able to use my degree for Kubuntu :D
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, sure after they added me to Launchpad ~ubuntu-members team:)
[12:41] <apachelogger> moooooon light shadow
[12:41] <Tm_T> yup
[12:41]  * smartboyhw is happy
[12:41] <Darkwing> Congrats smartboyhw
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, thanks!
[12:42] <yofel__> smartboyhw++
[12:43] <smartboyhw> yofel__, :D
[12:44] <Riddell> Darkwing: how will you use your degree for kubuntu?
[12:45] <yofel__> Riddell, apachelogger : question: is there a reason *not* to add ~kubuntu-ninjas to ~kubuntu-packagers? We have members without packaging knowledge and commit rights, but ninjas with packaging knowledge and no commit rights
[12:45] <yofel__> somehow that sounds wrong
[12:46] <apachelogger> ohm
[12:46] <apachelogger> not really about knowledge
[12:46] <yofel__> not that getting kubuntu-membership isn't easy, but still
[12:46] <apachelogger> but about trust
[12:46] <yofel__> apachelogger: kubuntu-ninjas have upload permissions to kubuntu-ppa (if we're talking about trust)
[12:46] <Darkwing> Riddell: Organizational Leadership. :D
[12:47] <apachelogger> yofel__: yeah
[12:47] <apachelogger> ppa != archive
[12:47] <yofel__> hm,  ok, I think I just relized what you mean so nvm
[12:47] <apachelogger> the kubuntu-members create the kubuntu product so anyone who can influence the product without review by a sponsor ought to be trusted by the community
[12:49] <apachelogger> so yes, a ninja may be knowlegable to create our only semi-official ppa builds, that does not mean we ultimately trust them to do that to the actual stable release product though
[12:49] <yofel__> yeah, I know, but from that POV even the PPA's are an issue. Considering we keep our SRU packages there and the amount of people that use those.
[12:50] <yofel__> Sure the sru parts get another review before ending up in the archive, but still
[12:51] <apachelogger> you need to opt into the PPA updates
[12:52] <yofel__> true...
[12:53] <yofel__> apachelogger: ok, you win
[12:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[12:56] <apachelogger> where's my medal?
[12:56] <yofel__> kubotu: order medal for apachelogger 
[12:56]  * kubotu slides medal down the bar to apachelogger
[12:56] <yofel__> lol
[12:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[12:57] <apachelogger> my cornify is broken
[12:57] <apachelogger> :'(
[12:58] <shadeslayer> daw
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: really?
[12:59] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:00] <apachelogger> just wanted to cornify kde4libs bugs
[13:00] <apachelogger> and it aint working
[13:00]  * apachelogger depressed
[13:02] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:21] <shadeslayer> can someone quickly check if this is right : http://paste.kde.org/676850/
[13:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: should you not follow the pattern of the lines above?
[13:26] <Riddell> with / at the start and end
[13:26] <Riddell> and ^ and $
[13:26] <smartboyhw> yeah....
[13:27] <shadeslayer> I was following the examples from Extra-Include
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Good another guy passed in the meeting for membership too:)
[13:30] <shadeslayer> so something like : /^kde-telepathy-.+$/ and /^libtelepathy-logger-qt4-.$/
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, I got added to ~ubuntu-members now
[13:30] <shadeslayer> congrats smartboyhw
[13:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, thanks:)
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, I want a Ubuntu member cloak
[13:32] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: repeat that in #ubuntu-irc so we have staff member involved (:
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, ok
[13:34]  * smartboyhw needs to set up a blog to get it on Planet Ubuntu
[13:34] <Tm_T> yes you do
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, thanks!
[13:38] <Tm_T> np
[13:38] <Tm_T> all I did was say "please" (:
[13:53] <Darkwing> Is plasma Active both tablet and mobile? Or, was the plasma-mobile soemthing else?
[13:53] <Tm_T> Darkwing: I think plasma-mobile was the old name of what became active
[13:53] <Darkwing> Because once the code drops tomorrow for ubuntu phone I'm working on two things with it... 1) Porting it to CDMA/4GLTE and 2) Getting active running on the phone and tablet.
[13:54] <Tm_T> Darkwing: great
[13:54] <Riddell> Darkwing: plasma active is for tablets, confusingly the source package is called plasma-mobile but plasma-mobile is no more
[13:55] <Darkwing> So, there is no more mobile that rbelem was hacking on him n900?
[13:55] <Riddell> Darkwing: right, that's been replaced by active for tablets
[13:56] <Darkwing> So, I'm guessing that a phone might be too small for active?
[13:56] <Riddell> Darkwing: yeah the UI is a bit too detailed for a phone I'd think
[13:56] <Darkwing> Riddell: bugger.
[13:56] <Darkwing> Because piggybacking on what Ubuntu is doing would be awesome IMO. 
[13:58] <Tm_T> Darkwing: that shouldn't stop even if it would make things difficult
[13:58] <Tm_T> it is plasma anyway, so you can make it fit I'm sure
[13:59] <Darkwing> Oh, I'm def going to work on it.
[13:59] <Darkwing> Thankfully I've already worked with Android Kernel
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, wow
[14:06] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: ??
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, wow on you being able to work on Android kernel
[14:06] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: ahhh, Yeah, I've been working with kernel tweaks and Android ROMS for a while.
[14:10] <Darkwing> BOOOOOOO Steam on Linux doesn't work in 64bit
[14:11] <yofel__> Darkwing: works for me, you might need to run it with STEAM_RUNTIME=0
[14:13] <soee> Darkwing, also working for me
[14:14] <Darkwing> hmmz.... The .deb wont install and I can't find it in 12.04 repositories
[14:15] <yofel__> how does it fail?
[14:15] <yofel__> you might need to have multiarch enabled. I didn't check
[14:15] <shadeslayer> sudo dpkg -i /path/to/deb; sudo apt-get -f install
[14:19] <Darkwing> http://paste.kde.org/676886/
[14:19] <Darkwing> I think I have to install all the -*86 repositories
[14:21] <yofel__> errr.... what?
[14:21] <yofel__>  steam:i386 depends on xterm | gnome-terminal.  
[14:21] <Darkwing> Yup. Figured that out.
[14:21] <yofel__> that *should* be x-terminal-emulator
[14:21] <Darkwing> Yay, works now. Thanks guys
[14:27] <shadeslayer> ooh
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: rekonq + webgl works
[14:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bling!
[14:27] <shadeslayer> as well as spell check
[14:27] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what are you using to test?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> the chrome webgl experiments http://www.chromeexperiments.com/webgl/
[14:28] <shadeslayer> http://alteredqualia.com/three/examples/webgl_cubes.html in particular
[14:29] <Riddell> "Your browser does not appear to support WebGL.
[14:29] <Riddell> Your browser does not appear to support WebGL.
[14:29] <Darkwing> yofel__: what games you play?
[14:29] <Riddell> Internet Explorer fail
[14:30] <shadeslayer> wot
[14:30] <shadeslayer> IE?
[14:30]  * genii-around blinks
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, why on earth would you use IE?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> IE is for users to download Firefox or Google Chrome when they first install Windows
[14:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: got to check out the competition :)
[14:31] <Darkwing> IE: The number one browser to download another broswer. 
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, +1
[14:31] <Riddell> actually in europe it should ask you which browser you want as the first thing, but it doesn't, I hope somebody goes to jail
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:32] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: actually I get "Your browser does not appear to support WebGL" in rekonq too :(
[14:32] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:33] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's your e-mail?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you need to enable webgl
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, why?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> in the settings > webkit
[14:33]  * smartboyhw is wondering if Riddell wants to send spam
[14:33]  * smartboyhw activates his spam box against Riddell 
[14:33] <Riddell> bling!
[14:34]  * smartboyhw receives nothing from Riddell 
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Not even in spam
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think we should let people in kubuntu-devel know about new webkit and ask to test with rekonq
[14:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok worth a shot
[14:35] <Riddell> although what else is there to test for?
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, of course -0ubuntu3 hasn't happened (referring to the email)
[14:35] <shadeslayer> well
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, that -0ubuntu2 went into -release...
[14:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can you reply and say it'll be fixed shortly?
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will
[14:35] <shadeslayer> I tested reddit, news.ycombinator.com and gmail
[14:35] <shadeslayer> works for me
[14:37] <smartboyhw> yofel__ on your suggestion that ~ubuntu-members should also get kubuntu-membership maybe it is better for Kubuntu Council to setup a team that contains Ubuntu members and make it a sub-team of Kubuntu members:P
[14:38] <smartboyhw> s/~ubuntu-members/~ubuntu-members who contribute to Kubuntu/
[14:38] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "yofel__ on your suggestion that ~ubuntu-members who contribute to Kubuntu should also get kubuntu-membership maybe it is better for Kubuntu Council to setup a team that contains Ubuntu members and make it a sub-team of Kubuntu members:P"
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/676916/
[14:41] <shadeslayer> review plz
[14:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, that seemed good:)
[14:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no it doesn;t
[14:42] <shadeslayer> ?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> what's wrong?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> libtelepathy-logger-qt4 is missing a + in between -. and $
[14:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^
[14:42] <shadeslayer> good point
[14:43] <shadeslayer> note that I do not know what the hell this regex is doign
[14:43] <shadeslayer> *doing
[14:43] <shadeslayer> I simply looked at the stuff above and copied it
[14:43] <shadeslayer> so someone has to explain it to me before I go ahead and commit
[14:43] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: fixed
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, apachelogger ^
[14:43] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK.....
[14:45] <rbelem> Darkwing, pong
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also kde-config-telepathy-accounts and there's some telepathy plasma bits?
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: / / denoted the start and end of the regex
[14:49] <Riddell> ^ matches the start of a word, $ the end
[14:50] <Riddell> . matches any character and + matches one of more of those any characters
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wow
[14:52] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: as for the plasma bits, yeah, should add plasma-widget-telepathy-presence to that  list
[14:53] <murthy> good evening everyone
[14:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: done
[14:55] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can source package names be added to supported?
[15:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think it needs binaries but the upload rights thing looks up the source package for that
[15:03] <Riddell> murthy!
[15:03] <murthy> Riddell: hi
[15:03] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/8492592646/in/photostream  blogging proved too difficult for IE
[15:03] <shadeslayer> I see
[15:04] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new laptop?
[15:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep
[15:05] <Riddell> and really, IE crashes when I try to blog
[15:05] <Riddell> every time
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just go and install Kubuntu 13.04 in it:P
[15:05] <shadeslayer> does this sound right :  * /^libktpcommoninternalsprivate.+$/
[15:05] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep
[15:06] <shadeslayer> but I don't think it's needed
[15:06] <shadeslayer> it's already seeded
[15:06] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/676940/
[15:06] <shadeslayer> done I think
[15:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so then when will be the next meeting for Kubuntu Council?
[15:07]  * smartboyhw was just asking
[15:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: whenever someone bothers to organise one
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL. Not me at least (Not even Kubuntu member)
[15:09]  * smartboyhw is testing installing calligra 1;2.6.1-0ubuntu3 (the really fixed version) to see if it goes wrong (in raring-proposed)
[15:13] <Quintasan> \o
[15:13] <Quintasan> second semester just started
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn even -0ubuntu3 failed
[15:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ug, how?
[15:13] <Quintasan> and I already missed one subject xD
[15:13] <smartboyhw> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/calligra-libs_1%3a2.6.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[15:13] <smartboyhw>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libkdgantt.so.11.0.0', which is also in package calligraplan 1:2.6.1-0ubuntu3
[15:13] <smartboyhw> What the....
[15:13]  * smartboyhw goes for immediate edit
[15:14] <smartboyhw> How come we need -0ubuntu4 for that!?!?!?!?
[15:20]  * smartboyhw is in not happy status
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Without the congrats that is
[15:22] <smartboyhw> To any Kubuntu packager: https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/calligra-2.6.1-0ubuntu4-fix/+merge/149595
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[15:23] <smartboyhw> BTW why is Alpha 1 still in the topic?
[15:23] <Riddell> cos nobody removed it
[15:23] <smartboyhw> This is the most difficult calligra maintenance ever
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will just change 1 to 2
[15:23] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, eh? kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org has a ERROR
[15:26]  * Riddell write a grumpy blog http://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/20/morning-windows-8
[15:27] <Quintasan> yofel__: unhandled ERROR [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/www/kubuntu-backports':
[15:27] <Quintasan> best QA bot ever
[15:27] <Quintasan> :DDDD
[15:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, like!
[15:28] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Clearly my first post after getting my WordPress blog set up for Planet Ubuntu is "Why is calligra packaging *THAT* difficult?"
[15:32] <Riddell> compared to libreoffice I'm sure it's trivial
[15:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you still need ktp uploaded?
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please merge the -0ubuntu4 fix
[15:34] <smartboyhw> and please upload:P
[15:34]  * smartboyhw expects installation error for -0ubuntu4 tmr
[15:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what makes you think kdgantt is only used by plan?
[15:35] <Riddell> (you may well be right)
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um at least the installation shows it crashes with plan.....
[15:35] <Riddell> find . -name CMakeLists.txt  | xargs grep kdgan   suggests you're right
[15:36] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:38]  * smartboyhw wonders will there be a -0ubuntu10
[15:38] <smartboyhw> That will be the world's most record-breaking time ever:P
[15:38] <Riddell> it's not unknown
[15:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded!
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes plz
[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the PPA again?
[15:43] <yofel__> Quintasan: that page is maintained by shadeslayer 
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: smartboyhw yeah, blame python
[15:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?
[15:44] <yofel__> shadeslayer: where's the code for that, only on the server?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[15:44] <shadeslayer> yofel__: at the moment yes
[15:44] <yofel__> ok
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger suggested we juju
[15:45] <shadeslayer> but the local setup refuses to work
[15:45] <shadeslayer> also, with juju, it'll be like a 10-15 SLOC script :P
[15:46] <shadeslayer> or we could make a charm to do everything
[15:47] <ScottK> smartboyhw: ubuntu10 isn't that much. debian-installer | 20101020ubuntu214
[15:47] <ScottK> (and no, that's not an invitation to go try and merge it)
[15:49] <davmor2> Riddell: welcome to my world of win8 pain :D
[15:51] <Riddell> davmor2: it's just so.. crap
[15:51] <Riddell> these people have billions and they come up with this crap?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please take care when uploading tp-logger-qt
[15:52] <shadeslayer> it has +ppa1 in the versioning
[15:52] <davmor2> Riddell: I have to test new windows u1 builds on it, I have never hated an os before,  I may not of liked them but this is real deep hatred
[15:52] <yofel__> my 2 collegues at work kind of like win8, but they pretty much only use the desktop and installs some app that acts as a start menu
[15:53] <yofel__> *installed
[15:53] <Tm_T> davmor2: hah, I did try use Win8 for a week, but it's so inconsistent and random you spend more time trying to find how things work instead of doing what you're trying to do
[15:53] <Riddell> I could have written a blog twice as long listing twice as many bits of fail, but it's not worth my time
[15:54] <smartboyhw> ScottK, wow
[15:55]  * Tm_T is happy the last windows desktop in their work is gone now
[15:56] <Riddell> acutally I did fine one thing that works better, plug in usb headphones and after 5 minutes the sound comes out of them, phonon/pulseaudio have yet to learn that trick
[16:00] <ScottK> That's supposed to work.
[16:00] <ScottK> Probably apachelogger drinking instead of coding at the root of it.
[16:22] <Riddell> on rebooting this windows machine "Your PC will restart in 2 days to finish installing important updates."  what the hell were they thinking?
[16:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploaded!
[16:31] <murthy> Riddell: Nice windws 8 post
[16:35] <shadeslayer> thx
[17:00] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:05] <Riddell> davmor2: mm I don't suppose you know how to boot into the firmware on a vaio?
[17:05] <davmor2> Riddell: F2 is the norm, but failing that DEL or F12 are sometimes used
[17:08] <davmor2> Riddell: any joy?
[17:12] <Riddell> davmor2: nope :(
[17:14] <davmor2> Riddell: what vaio is it
[17:14] <Riddell> davmor2: oh weird
[17:15] <Riddell> you don't press the power key to turn it on
[17:15] <Riddell> you press the assist key to turn it on
[17:15] <Riddell> weirdness
[17:15] <davmor2> haha
[17:15] <sakang> knotify is segfaulting in 3.8 kernel?
[17:15] <Riddell> I don't know if I should be pleased this firmware uses oxygen icons or affronted that they have illegally pirated our Oxygen icons
[17:16] <davmor2> Riddell: just found http://www.overclock.net/t/1321845/sony-vaio-uefi-bios-windows-7-8 too :)
[17:17] <Riddell> that has got to be the least intuitive UI I've used all day.  and I've been using Windows 8 all day.
[17:19] <sakang> Riddell: how can F3 be more intuitive than 'assist' to get to BIOS?
[17:20] <Riddell> sakang: it's not but the power key is what I'd expect as a first step to power it on
[17:22] <sakang> Riddell: unless it's not from a complete shutdown?  meaning from a sleep/suspend mode?
[17:22] <Riddell> sakang: and I doubt the linux version has any affect on knotify
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pics of the firmware?
[17:23] <Riddell> I'll take one in a minute
[17:28] <sakang> Riddell: maybe, but the dump trace is coming from knotify only in 3.8, not in 3.7 nor 3.4. currently on gnome box with openbox and not seeing it
[17:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/8492966744/
[17:35] <Riddell> the Start Bios one is an oxygen icon
[17:35] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:38] <Riddell> same one used here by "configure" http://www.sony.co.uk/customise/vaio-t-series
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: sound from what?
[17:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks for backport
[17:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: my headphones (I've moaned to you about it before and you said to moan to coling)
[17:39] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:40] <apachelogger> though depending on what app produces the sound it may not be coling's fault :P
[17:41] <apachelogger> that is to say.. for some reason on-the-fly rewiring is not working, which only impacts currently outputting stuff ... such as amarok playing a song... next song would be on new device
[17:43] <apachelogger> yofel_: bug 1130784
[18:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: funny thing, removign the tile makes the background solid grey
[18:15] <shadeslayer> and looks better :P
[18:15] <davmor2> Riddell: you're right the vaio thing is not exactly pretty
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: shouldn't be solid grey with latest ks
[18:16] <shadeslayer> ks?
[18:28] <Riddell> ok this is unexpected, 12.04.1 doesn't boot on the secure boot system but 12.04.2 does.  even though we didn't add any secure boot stuff
[18:28] <yofel> maybe they SRU'd some things for the kernel and boot
[18:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kubuntu-settings
[18:31] <shadeslayer> I see
[18:32]  * shadeslayer compiles qtwebkit with gstreamer 1.0
[18:35] <soee> i need that person with 13.04 installation, do you remember who was it here today ?
[18:42] <apachelogger> I think there's plenty of people with a 13.04 install here :P
[18:44] <BluesKaj> that person ..heh
[18:44] <shadeslayer> soee: moi
[18:44] <shadeslayer> also #ubuntu+1 
[18:46] <soee> apachelogger, yes but he said sometging about problems woth nvidia drivers i think
[18:46] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:48] <soee> brb, have to do my excercises 
[18:49] <BluesKaj> soee, do you have an issue with nvidia graphics on 13.04 ?
[18:50] <soee> BluesKaj, no i wanted to get more information because i will upgrade to 13.04 my home machine
[18:50] <soee> *maybe
[18:51] <apachelogger> simply use nouveau
[18:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , the default for nvidia after a normal install is nouveau , which works quite well 
[18:59] <BluesKaj> soee,^
[19:02] <soee> apachelogger, can you compere performence in games when using novaou and nvidia ?
[19:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: No problem.
[19:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: when you say you made it work, do you mean the standard ff from the repos?
[19:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[19:39] <ScottK> I get the what app do you want to use, I just click OK without picking one and it generally works.
[19:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:39] <ScottK> Not ideal, but workable.
[19:39] <shadeslayer> isn't that what us the problem?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> mimetype detection
[19:40] <ScottK> The thing is it's detecting it.
[19:40] <ScottK> I don't have to tell it what to use, it knows.
[19:40] <ScottK> It's just the U/I is crap because something's confused.
[19:40] <ScottK> Maybe I misunderstand the problem.
[19:42] <yofel> I think it's more a preference issue. PDF (while it didn't have it built-in) was opened outside in okular, ff used evince by default
[20:05] <ScottK> As an example of it working well though, I click on a .deb in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= and it opens in ark.
[20:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: Your backport is all the way through New now.
[20:15] <shadeslayer> ok seriously
[20:15] <shadeslayer> why is plasma-mobile *still* stuck in -proposed
[20:17] <soee> what do i have to do to upgrade to 13.04 a2 ?
[20:17] <soee> from 12.10
[20:17] <shadeslayer> do-release-upgrade -d
[20:20] <soee> thank you shadeslayer if i disconnect suddenly that its a sign something went wrong :)
[20:21] <shadeslayer> it shouldn't 
[20:21] <shadeslayer> I checked the upgrade paths yesterday :P
[20:21] <shadeslayer> works just fine
[20:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Does it make kubuntu-active uninstallable perhaps?
[20:23] <shadeslayer> idk how it would manage to do that
[20:23] <soee> what is it: WARNING: Failed to read mirror file 
[20:23] <shadeslayer> soee: erm, no idea, just ignore that
[20:23] <soee> ok
[20:24] <soee> i like this info: system upgrade may take few hours :D
[20:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I added a hint for plasma-mobile.  Let's see if that moves it.
[20:27] <shadeslayer> thx
[20:28] <ScottK> If it doesn't migrate after the next publisher run, ping me and I'll get a bigger hammer.
[20:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[20:28] <shadeslayer> says Valid candidate
[20:28] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:28] <shadeslayer> what exactly does that mean?
[20:29] <ScottK> Then you have to look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[20:29] <shadeslayer> right, and it says something about kubuntu-active but I don't understand how to read that
[20:29] <ScottK> In this context Valid means it's ready, by itself, to migrate.  The update_output.txt file shows other packages it affects.
[20:33] <shadeslayer> I see
[20:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-gstreamer-1-0-transition
[20:52] <shadeslayer> just some notes off the top of my head
[20:59] <jussi> Riddell: you are awesome. Loved your blog post
[21:10] <soee> is it important:
[21:10] <soee> modprobe: ../tools/modprobe.c:550: print_action: Assertion `kmod_module_get_initstate(m) == KMOD_MODULE_BUILTIN' failed.
[21:10] <soee> Aborted (core dumped) ?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> uh yeah
[21:10] <shadeslayer> the way to fix that
[21:11] <shadeslayer> what was it
[21:11]  * shadeslayer can't remember
[21:11] <soee> :D
[21:11] <shadeslayer> okay in /etc/modprobe.d you have to grep for off
[21:12] <shadeslayer> and then change that to blacklist?
[21:12] <soee> ok ill check after upgrade is finished
[21:12] <shadeslayer> soee: ATI card?
[21:12] <soee> shadeslayer, Nvidia
[21:12] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:12] <shadeslayer> so it's mostly likely something from the nvidia conf file in /etc/modprobe.d
[21:13] <soee> might be as im using latest driver
[21:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: i.e. s/off/blacklist/ ? http://paste.kde.org/677204
[21:22] <shadeslayer> like I said, I don't remember precisely, but it was either blacklist or off
[21:22] <shadeslayer> and I believe it was off
[21:22] <shadeslayer> because my histroy says I grepped for off
[21:22] <shadeslayer> #ubuntu-kernel knows about the issue more
[21:30] <soee> uhm
[21:30] <soee>  * No suitable module for running kernel found
[21:30] <soee>                                                                                                                             [fail]
[21:30] <soee> invoke-rc.d: initscript virtualbox, action "restart" failed.
[21:30] <soee> invoke-rc.d: release upgrade in progress, error is not fatal
[21:30] <soee> Konfigurowanie pakietu virtualbox-qt (4.1.22-dfsg-0ubuntu2) ...
[21:44] <soee> shadeslayer, upgrade finished
[21:44] <soee> everything works fine
[21:44] <shadeslayer> awesome
[21:45] <yofel> ubuntu seems to intend to keep their word to keep raring usable so far
[21:45] <yofel> though the real trial will be post-feature-freeze
[21:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:45] <shadeslayer> we need more QA IMHO
[21:45] <shadeslayer> I'm discovering some kwin bugs right now
[21:45] <shadeslayer> specifically with the gles binary
[21:45] <yofel> well, yeah mister obvious LP
[21:45] <yofel> :P
[21:45] <shadeslayer> see kde bug 315540
[21:46] <yofel> fun
[21:47]  * yofel tries to reliably reproduce kde bug 
[21:47] <yofel> kde bug 311751
[21:48] <yofel> my mouse is being weird...
[21:49] <shadeslayer> then there's kde bug 315528 from master :P
[21:50] <yofel> I thought marting hated bugs from git? :D
[21:50] <yofel> *martin
[21:50] <shadeslayer> he does? idk
[21:50] <shadeslayer> seems like a pretty serious one to me, and I could reliably reproduce
[21:53] <yofel> "Upstart user session available for testing" - why does this feel like systemd?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:56] <shadeslayer> upstart is playing catch up with systemd
[21:58] <shadeslayer> sigh, what do I do, qtwebkit is compiling
[21:59] <yofel> found out what was crashing rekonq?
[21:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: hm, maybe we can add a neon backend to kdesrc-build?
[22:00] <shadeslayer> hah, it's flash
[22:00] <shadeslayer> it's always flash
[22:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:00] <yofel> oh, nvm then ^^
[22:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, probably - what for?
[22:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: well ... if you're on *buntu then you have an option to either go all neon or compile everything from source
[22:01] <shadeslayer> for eg
[22:01] <shadeslayer> you want to compile kde-workspace
[22:01] <shadeslayer> you start kdesrc-build, and if you choose the neon-backend it'll download the tools and project-neon-kdelibs and stuff , clone kde-workspace and build using neon-cmake
[22:01] <yofel> well, it would probably work
[22:02] <shadeslayer> plus you could use apt-get builddep to do most of the stuff
[22:02] <yofel> true
[22:02] <shadeslayer> just a thought
[22:08] <jussi> gents, getting this in Raring: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1693551/
[22:08] <jussi> (and ladies, sorry)
[22:09] <yofel> jussi: fixed in ubuntu4
[22:09] <shadeslayer> blame smartbowhw :P
[22:09] <shadeslayer> and what yofel said
[22:09] <yofel> and me -.-
[22:09] <shadeslayer> oh
[22:09] <shadeslayer> blame smartboyhw and yofel :P
[22:09] <jussi> hehe
[22:10] <yofel> smartboyhw broke it, I fixed it without including the fix, smartboyhw fixed it partly, smartboyhw fixed it completely (that's ubuntu1-4)
[22:10] <jussi> gues I gotta wait for it to hit my mirror.
[22:10] <jussi> tomorrow then :)
[22:10] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:18] <shadeslayer> ooooh, only 4 more tasks left for this week, only 2 of them being work related \o/
[22:18] <shadeslayer> and both of them related to gstreamer :D