[00:17] <Myrtti> what fud are they spreading there now
[00:18] <Myrtti> signing in to download?
[00:18] <IdleOne> huh where?
[00:19] <Myrtti> in u
[00:19] <Myrtti> tright now
[00:19] <Myrtti> scroll tiny bit up if it's  already gone from view
[00:21] <IdleOne> oh, I think the software center makes you create an account to 'buy" steam, but it is free. not on unity so I haven't checked to make sure
[00:21] <IdleOne> work around is to download direct from valve website
[00:22] <IdleOne> just another silly barrier to free software
[02:39] <Flannel> Alright.  I'm giving up on support in #ubuntu after we now have eleventy billion kernel permutations to track.  Thanks Canonical!
[02:55] <holstein> Flannel: you mean, getting support?
[02:55] <Flannel> holstein: No, giving.
[02:56] <holstein> Flannel: its challenging in there from time to time...
[02:56] <Flannel> holstein: The new kernel upgrades are going to make it basically impossible to hunt down problems.  Because people are going to have to remember how they installed.
[02:57] <Pici> I just had a flashback to the gazillion Windows Vista Editions
[03:02] <IdleOne> kernel permutations?
[03:02] <IdleOne> esplain plez
[03:02] <Flannel> Actually, I take that back.  It appears we will be able to figure it out.  But it's still not going to be fun explaining to people why their computer worked yesterday but doesn't today, because they have a new minor kernel version.
[03:04] <Flannel> IdleOne: In a (very crude nutshell), LTS will get* kernel updates to kernels in the next few releases.  (12.04 will have 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 kernels) (* With 12.04, it depends on when/how you installed)
[03:05] <Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[03:05] <IdleOne> oh, this will be fun
 umad??
[04:07] <bazhang> user Bubo claims his system just suddenly was all in Chinese
[04:08] <bazhang> exits #ubuntu , then a new round of questions, but about mouse speed.
 This channel got slow after we got chased off. We were the life of the party.
[07:41] <bazhang> not understanding support channel award goes to...
 i'm an important member of the community
[08:11] <bazhang> via PM
[08:16] <Tm_T> and?
[08:33] <phix> Evening
[08:33] <bazhang> hi
[08:34] <phix> Just wondering if I can join #ubuntu and affiliate channels yet?
[08:34] <bazhang> no
[08:34] <phix> hmmmmm
[08:34] <phix> Any time frame?
[08:34] <bazhang> nope
[08:35] <phix> I see
[08:35] <phix> Could I get a second or third opionion?
[08:35] <bazhang> I probably am the 2nd or 3rd opinion
[08:36] <bazhang> you asked twice a week or so ago
[08:36] <phix> I was banned nearly 3 months ago, surely that is enough time
[08:36] <bazhang> no change.
[08:36] <phix> nope, I dont ask twice week, once every 2 weeks perhaps
[08:36] <bazhang> phix, no. the ban stays.
[08:37] <phix> hmmmm
[08:37] <Tm_T> !appeals > phix
[08:37] <phix> oh Ididn't notice that
[08:38] <phix> I will look into it
[08:38] <phix> Although it would just be easier for the both of us if you just drop the ban
[08:38] <Tm_T> phix: no
[08:38] <phix> ok
[08:39] <Tm_T> phix: thank you, anything else we can do for you today?
[08:40] <phix> umm yes, unrelated matter, do you have any recommondations on IRC bouncers or shell hosting?
[08:40] <Tm_T> none, sorry
[08:40] <phix> ok, cyas
[08:40] <Tm_T> bye (:
[08:44] <bazhang> in PM he pretends not to know the commands/advice he gave were false
[08:44] <bazhang> yet in other support channels, he is fully able to express himself
[14:18] <tockitj> hello
[14:18] <tockitj> DJones, i'm here
[14:18] <tockitj> why ban ?
[14:19] <DJones> Your comment in #ubuntu is quite racist and goes against the Ubuntu code of conduct
[14:19] <tockitj> it is not racist
[14:19] <tockitj> jesus.. its just comment on design
[14:19] <tockitj> why would anyone feel offended by that
[14:19] <Myrtti> come on now
[14:19] <tockitj> fact is that ubuntu has lots of african motives.. you can't deny that
[14:20] <Myrtti> we're not born yesterday
[14:20] <DJones> 14:14 < tockitj> do you think that ubuntu is designed for black people ?
[14:20] <tockitj> well - it does make you wonder..
[14:20] <DJones> In a few words, No its not, its designed for people
[14:21] <tockitj> i think that people from africa certainly notice these things.. they might like this distro more than others
[14:21] <tockitj> simply on grounds of design
[14:21] <ikonia> tockitj: ok - how is something designed for black people and for white people
[14:21] <ikonia> what's the difference
[14:21] <tockitj> so in a way.. they are willingly or not targeted by this visual design
[14:22] <ikonia> actually I can't be bothered.
[14:22] <ikonia> sorry for intruding
[14:22] <tockitj> ikonia, color schemes.. african symbols, names.. videos with motives from africa..
[14:22] <ikonia> tockitj: there are white people in arfica
[14:22] <tockitj> yes?
[14:23] <ikonia> I suggest dealing with Myrtti or DJones as I'm just about to kick or ban you from here for having the guts to make this sort of tripe up
[14:23] <tockitj> why is it not allowed to talk about these things ?
[14:23] <tockitj> there is no hate in this ?
[14:23] <tockitj> i don't see anything wrong
[14:24] <Myrtti> first of all
[14:24] <tockitj> and if you are color blind and can not see ethnic differences between ppl, than that is problem on its own right
[14:24] <Myrtti> it's not a subject for #ubuntu, which is a strictly support only channel
[14:24] <tockitj> but, it should be free to discus ubuntu related themes
[14:24] <tockitj> like visual design
[14:24] <Myrtti> and secondly, it has absolutely no meaning at all to Ubuntu.
[14:25] <Myrtti> you're trying to see connections to things when there are none.
[14:25] <tockitj> no - i'm just opening a question - asking if anyone else has seen this
[14:25] <Myrtti> you're welcome to your opinion that it should be free to discuss ubuntu related themes. However, it is not.
[14:25] <tockitj> and that is not *offending* to anyone
[14:25] <Myrtti> #ubuntu is not a visual design discussion forum.
[14:26] <tockitj> do you kick other people discussing ubuntu choice of icons
[14:26] <tockitj> or default wallpapers ?
[14:26] <Myrtti> if they don't have a direct support question and insist on continuing on the subject, eventually yes.
[14:27] <tockitj> i made two sentences there - how is that 'insisting on continuing on subject' ?
[14:28] <Myrtti> the reason you were kicked was because there was reasonable assumption that you were and are trolling. So far I've not seen anything that makes me think otherwise.
[14:28] <tockitj> i think you are too sensitive in race related discussions - and this holds no hate or offense to anyone (nor would i do something like that ever)
[14:28] <tockitj> and pretending that everyone is the same is just dumb
[14:28] <Myrtti> race related discussions have no place in #ubuntu which is, as you've been told several times now, a support only channel.
[14:28] <tockitj> you made reasonable assumption on trolling from two sentences ?
[14:29] <tockitj> Myrtti, it is ubuntu related question - please reread if you can not note this
[14:29] <jpds> tockitj: Years of experience.
[14:29] <Myrtti> yes, and all ubuntu related questions don't belong to #ubuntu
[14:30] <tockitj> how many times in a sentence do i have to use word 'ubuntu' to make question 'ubuntu' related ?
[14:30] <tockitj> Myrtti, is this a place to foster open discussion ?
[14:30] <Myrtti> let me count how many times I've explained the topic of #ubuntu for you now
[14:31] <Myrtti> I've told you three times now.
[14:31] <tockitj> drop the ban.. its meaningless.. i meant no offense
[14:31] <Myrtti> and since it seems like it's not sinking in, I deem this discussion pointless and you wasting our time.
[14:31] <Myrtti> oh good.
[15:27] <Chrissy> I got spam on entering #ubuntu
 http://chaturbate.com/affiliates/in/hr8m/V6Yer/?track=default
[15:27] <Chrissy> from user nir
[15:27] <Pici> Chrissy: Thanks for the report, we'll take a look.
[15:31] <Myrtti> Chrissy: thank you
 bazhang, but i had hexchat on linux mint
[15:59] <bazhang> uh yeah
[16:03] <k1l_> he she was asking for ubuntu vs mint and mint support for some days now
[16:05] <bazhang> yep
[16:05] <bazhang> pretty much everyday now is some new MINTy fresh question
[16:09] <bazhang> lewik and lewik_ one in #u the other in #k both asking the same type questions
[16:09] <bazhang> wonder if its the same person
 k1l_: yeah. I checked the main irc channel page and there was no mention of those. but I should head over there.
[16:38] <k1l_> do wee need to add those new shiny steam, phone, tablet channels to that page?
[16:39] <Pici> probably
[16:39] <Pici> !itsawiki
[16:39] <k1l_> \o/
[16:42] <k1l_> popey as contact person? since he set both topics in that mobile channels
[16:43] <Pici> Sounds good to me ;)
[16:48] <k1l_> (x) done
[17:20] <KOCHroach> why i am banned from Ubuntu? i didnt do anything wrong
[17:21] <Myrtti> you changed your nickname after joining
[17:23] <KOCHroach> unban me, i could use some help from Ubuntu room
[17:23] <Myrtti> leave the channel and rejoin
[17:24] <bazhang> andreas_ crossposting, and ignoring the answer given in both channels
[17:25] <IdleOne> KOCHroach: because you are using the webchat, you need to part #ubuntu and rejoin if you change your nick
[17:26] <KOCHroach> okie dokie then
[17:27] <IdleOne> err, didn't say you had to quit
[17:29] <IdleOne> isn't ntfs-3g default in ubuntu?
[17:29] <bazhang> yeah
[17:30] <IdleOne> so, cagrijost is not running ubuntu if it isn't installed
[17:31] <bazhang> andreas_ was told about voyager not being supported a day or two prior as well
[17:38] <bazhang> thats a large factoid
[17:38] <theadmin> Seen that problem a lot recently, thought would be good to make it a factoid, tired of typing all that out (pretty much).
[17:38] <theadmin> If you see anyway to shorten it, please do so
[17:38] <IdleOne> theadmin: perhaps create a wiki.ubuntu.com page and link to that
[17:39] <Myrtti> it's too long anyway
[17:39] <IdleOne> I would say adding that info to the !grub2 wiki would probably be best
[17:39] <theadmin> IdleOne: That would make sense, will do.
[17:39] <IdleOne> :)
[17:40] <IdleOne> theadmin: keep up the awesome work :)
[17:41] <theadmin> Hm. Not sure if I should add it to "troubleshooting" (which is about empty as of now), or miscel... however you spell that
[17:41] <theadmin> Or just to the troubleshooting article...
[17:41] <IdleOne> whichever you think is best
[17:42] <theadmin> Thing is it's not really a GRUB issue as such, but since it has to deal with GRUB, I guess it goes to the main article
[17:43] <IdleOne> the issue isn't caused by grub but this grub edit fixes the issue
[17:44] <theadmin> Right -- it's a kernel parameter, the issue is caused by the way kernel handles power management or something (I'm not sure of the details), adding that makes it call to the BIOS for help with handling that. Or something.
[17:49] <theadmin> There, done. Thanks IdleOne
[18:34] <DJones> Had a couple of pm's from tockitj asking me to remove the ban set earlier, I've pointed them back here to discuss it
[21:12] <genii-around> @comment 53767 Ban was reviewed, no current reason to unban