=== XenGi_ is now known as XenGi [00:51] Whats the status of ubuntu on tablets [00:52] !tablet | doomlord [00:52] doomlord: The Ubuntu tablet can be discussed in #ubuntu-tablet or #ubuntu-discuss, please remember that #ubuntu is for support only. [00:52] doomlord: ignore the part about "#ubuntu is for support only" [00:53] i juse wanted to get the names correct... [00:53] ok great [00:53] just* [01:03] wow, the SDK is pretty amazing. [01:04] I mean Qt is pretty amazing. [01:05] Qt is actually not that amazing, it's overcomplicated :P [01:05] Coming from the Android development world it feels like nothing compared to that. Especially working with lists. [01:05] sure, Java is a completely different mess :P [01:06] I prefer the JSON-like object declaration of QML [01:06] Oh, and that I can use JavaScript functions in QML :) [01:07] I'm sure Qt has it's ugly parts as well, just as every language/framework has but for now, as much as I've seen it looks very good. [01:14] QML looks more elegant than full json [01:15] much better not having keys quoted [01:18] one can use json in qml2 [01:20] json-keys aren't qouted? :/ === mainerror|away is now known as mainerror === mainerror is now known as mainerror|away === mainerror|away is now known as mainerror === mainerror is now known as mainerror|away [02:57] json-keys are all quoted [03:10] they are?' [03:10] so that would be { "somekey"=1.0f } then? :/ [03:10] because { somekey=1.0 } works just fine [03:11] (nvm the 'f' on the first one, old habit :P) [03:12] baah, I need some sleep, cya [03:24] \ [03:25] JSON.parse() [03:25] JSON.stringify() [03:40] {somekey=1.0} - this is not legal JSON. true JSON is always quoted. maybe everyone who writes a jSON parser agress with me and thinks its crazy and accepts unquoted keys :) but real JSON is always quoted [03:41] huuh, well fuck me on a dead horse... [03:42] uhm... ops... might be the wrong channel for such proclamations :P [03:43] i mean personally if i wrote a JSON parser i would definitely accept unquote [03:43] likewise [03:43] my json-files actually "depends" on it... easy fix though :) [03:43] the format is so much better distinguishing between symbols,strings,ints and floats.. [03:44] indeed [03:45] i liked the way clojure did its literals.. very similar. [03:46] so ubuntu phone is imminent.. [03:46] tommorrow,right? [03:47] well, fo me it's about 19h15m until midnight wednesday->thursday so :) [03:51] i wonder if other linux distros will do similar [03:52] presumably the canonical code just goes out into the community the same as all other linux source [03:52] preferably :) [03:52] but some other distros don't have a fixed set of applications [03:52] like archlinux for instance :) [03:53] i would like to know if there's any attempt to run regular gnu-linux desktop apps in tablet mode [03:53] yes [03:53] they wouldnt be as slick thats for sure, but its not impossible to tweak ui for touchscreen [03:53] native apps are available [03:54] as far as i can tell. a phone/tablet UI simply means, making buttons taller. (and to make it a GOOD ui, fill that extra space with something useful) [03:54] they'll probably just map to a mouse-pointer, scroll-wheel and perhaps zooming just like any other touchpad :) [03:54] an avoid right--click menus of course [03:55] right-click is just a long press ;) [03:55] scroll wheel = 2fingers right [03:55] right [03:55] the hard thing is with hovering/draging :/ [03:55] hovering vs dragging* [03:56] yeah. dragging is terrible [03:56] the next big step forward will be when screens can detect fingers are near.. or differentiate the size of contact patch (light press vs heavy press) [03:56] some actally "fix" that with a simple patch [03:57] 1finger = hover, 2fingers = click/drag, 3finger=scroll, pinch=zoom [03:57] and then the 4finger-smash for scroll-click :P [03:58] the force of the press can already be measured by most touchscreens :) [03:58] there are lots of apps that make use of this [03:58] which OS's / devices can read that [03:58] is it force or contact area [03:59] IIRC force, but it might be contact-area too [04:00] would be nice if multitouch could resize windows :) [04:01] 3 finger drag but also 3finger pinch :) [04:01] then you could get rid of the titlebars [04:01] and a lot of the window decoration [04:02] globalmenu should be permanently visible too [04:02] that's a nice idea :) [04:03] and 4 fingers for expo/scale (swipes etc) [04:03] :P [04:03] well, the 4finger app-switch would be awesome :) [04:04] expo would be perfect on a touchscreen, i'm surprised the others dont already do it [04:05] there's a hack for iPhone to do that ;) [04:05] zoom out to view 2x2 grid.. and scroll in that view for 2x3,2x4.. as you add more open screens [04:05] ok not seen it [04:05] the best desktop was Mac OSX snow leapoard with expose+spaces and multitouch all working really well.. [04:06] there would be the potential for ubuntu on a tablet to exceed that [04:06] if people start tweaking it like that [04:06] indeed [04:06] http://gizmodo.com/5619612/how-to-get-expose+style-multitasking-on-your-iphone-or-ipad [04:09] can i be arsed going back to my android source now heh [04:13] heh just need ubuntu table now [04:15] you mean like M$ Surface? [04:15] yes :) [04:17] can't you install ubuntu on a Surface them? :/ [04:17] then* [04:18] i guess you can [04:20] then doet! :D === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ [07:32] good morning [07:33] morning to you dholbach [07:34] hi codealot [07:37] dholbach: what part of the project are you working on [07:39] codealot, I work with the ubuntu development community in general [07:53] dholbach, cool. I'm on the terminal team [07:54] excellent :-D [07:57] codealot: are you taking inspiration from the n9 terminal? [07:58] haven't had a close look at it [07:58] let me check it out [07:59] xsacha: thanks for the hint [08:49] good morning all! [08:50] any core apps developers around? [09:13] dpm: I'm around [09:29] hi codealot [09:30] we're setting the CI infrastructure and wanted to talk to someone from the teams to test it first on a particular app project [09:31] but it seems the setup is pretty straightforward, so we'll enable it for all apps at once [09:31] I'll post an update to the list with an overview and the new workflow later on today [09:32] ok === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === mainerror|away is now known as mainerror === Riussi_ is now known as Riussi === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [13:00] test [13:00] hello [13:40] a couple of questions with the phone image. Will there be more than just the GSM Galaxy Nexus image and will the source be released? [13:41] Darkwing, There will be a Nexus 4 image and there will be source code so you can port [13:42] I know about he Nexus 4... So, is it not being released for the Galaxy Nexus as well? [13:43] I've been doing Android ROM development for a while now... I figured that the porting I have done there would come in handy to get the CDMA/4GLTE GNex up and running at some point. [13:44] Darkwing, as well [13:45] both gnex and nex4 [13:45] :D I'm one os those users who is on Verizon Wirelesss in the US. So, I'm stuck with CDMA for a few more months... I'll be changing soon but, I know a TON of people in the Android community that are looking forward to this... The number of emails I'm getting is stunning. [13:45] but not [13:46] wastrel: gnex maguro only or, will there be images for toro and toro plus? [13:48] gsm only i heard [13:48] but i am a bystander not affiliated etc etc [13:48] Yeah I know... :/ [13:49] basically all i know comes from reading what people type in this channel [13:49] Okay. [13:49] Well, I guess tomorrow will be filled with code hacking to get toro and toro plus included. [13:49] speaking of which i have yet to watch the tablet intro video [13:49] Its a good video. [13:50] i was v. busy yesterday [13:51] my new earbuds are much louder than the ones that came with my gnex [13:51] I'm just waiting for my Tax return and I'm picking up a nexus 4. [13:51] i certainly hope it's easy to change the default colors :] [13:53] sitestage is cool [13:53] hopefully can flip it to the left for left-handers [14:01] it's a cute video [14:01] hi [14:02] I'm trying to use the Ubuntu SDK, but it gives me the error 'module "QmlProject" is not installed' [14:02] what does this mean? [14:21] tomorrow; everyone excited? [14:22] a bit [14:26] wish I had a nexus :( [14:26] but hey lets see how tomorrow goes [14:27] any word on what carriers are supported? [14:28] carrier support is not related to the OS... [14:28] if you run it on a VZ Galaxy Nexus... it will be VZ [14:29] ah I'd imagine they have to have kernel support for gsm vs cdma hardware [14:29] yeah, but the android kernel has support for both, and I'd assume the modules aren't that hard to get to... [14:29] idk for sure, but it makes sense [14:29] aye [14:31] I wonder if it will be centralized knowledge base for running it on different various hardware [14:31] or if things will get split off to separate websites dedicated to a certain phone hardware [14:32] idk, but it is a community effort, we can make it happen if we want a centralized location [14:33] Denommus did you install qt5 as instructed on the ubuntu page? [14:34] Actually... It's more than just kerney support for radios. At least in the Android world it is. [14:34] *Kernel [14:35] I'm assuming that Verizon will not be support out of the box because GSm is more widespread. But, as a Verizon person, I'll be instantly working on porting it as I have this week off from uni [14:35] bzoltan: about yesterday's talk about C++ plugins for QML... [14:36] codealot: yes [14:37] Denommus: what ubuntu version are you on? [14:37] I'm not really on Ubuntu. I'm on Arch [14:37] I installed qt5 and the sdk through AUR [14:39] so it's a problem with my qt5 installation? I'll check the #archlinux channel, then [14:39] Denommus: just a sec I try figure out something [14:40] Denommus: I'm not good at Arch but I believe it just a matter of the path exports [14:40] I exported QT_INSTALL_BINS="/usr/lib/qt5/bin" [14:41] and put it on PATH === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [14:42] and you get the error from QtCreator? [14:44] are there any other environment variables that I should be aware of? [14:51] my connection dropped [14:51] anyone answered my questions? [14:51] Denommus, no:P [14:52] ok [14:53] is that possible to repack ubuntu-mobile stack for other distribution, say fedora/debian? [14:56] Denommus: trying to check the environment variables and see if I have an answer for you [14:56] hi [14:58] ... the error solved itself [14:58] no, wait [14:59] it didn't [15:00] :) :( === francisco is now known as Guest92682 [15:01] bzoltan, I still can't compile QtCreator, I keep getting this error: Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: declarative - I've installed any *declarative* package I've found available. [15:02] Andy80: What qtcreator do you try to build? [15:03] bzoltan, latest available sources from gitorious (I' git pulled yesterday, but I can git pull again right now...) [15:03] Andy80: is it the 2.7 branch? [15:03] it's the "master" branch I think [15:03] bzoltan: about yesterday's talk about C++ plugins for QML... any new development about it? [15:04] yes, I'm in the "master" [15:04] codealot: do you know how do I install new modules? [15:04] ajalkane: geez :) I did not have time to poopoo today... [15:05] lol... if poopoing is all that'd be needed, I'd have 10 plugins already today [15:06] Andy80: is th amaster the 2.7 [15:07] bzoltan, I've created a qtcreator-build subfolder, following the instructions, I enter that folder and I execute "qmake -r ../" and after few lines of message I get that error... [15:09] Denommus: I'd recommend you compile from source === codealot_ is now known as codealot [15:09] Andy80: I do not know... for some time I only build the one in the qt5-beta-proper [15:10] codealot: AUR compiles from source already. I'll check #archlinux for help [15:11] damn I need to fix this asap or I really can't test jp plugin :\ my previous env was working, but it was qt-creator 2.6.1 built with Qt 4.8.x. if it's the same I can use that one... but I remember you told me I had to use 2.7.x because of some QtQuick2 support that the plugin i using... [15:11] I know it compiles from source but I meant you do it the "…make…make install" way [15:12] so that you can set some variables yourself [15:12] and also point the install path so that its easier to add modules [15:13] either by just copying the modules folder into place [15:13] or "ln" [15:21] codealot: funny thing: Ctrl+R works [15:22] codealot: I think I understood how this works. Thank you for your help and time [15:23] Denommus: you're welcome [15:23] Denommus maybe you can publish that on some wiki for other Arch users to checkout [15:26] codealot: what I understood is that when you use qmlscene, it expects to run a qml file, not a qmlproject file. But Ctrl+R parses the qmlproject correctly, which opens the mainFile [15:31] ok [15:31] great [16:30] Hi === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [17:09] willl ubuntu phone run with mhl cabe, or will you need a dock with extra usb ports [17:09] mhl cable^ [17:30] Cannot wait till tomorrow [17:31] My poor Kindle Fire and HTC Explorer have no chance of Ubuntu running... [17:32] I am stuck with plugins. I'm trying to use my compiled plugin with "qmlscene -I path/to/compiled/plugin myqml.qml" but I get "module "blabla" is not installed". Do I understand the -I option to qmlscene correctly, or should I install the qml plugin into the system wide search path? [17:34] ajalkane: there are environment variables to make the declarative engine output debug messages on what it is doing [17:34] i have to google it... [17:36] http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/How_to_enable_QML_Import_Traces [17:36] i'm not sure if it is still valid for qt5 [17:38] hello guys... just a quick Q. [17:39] can we use python+gtk on ubuntu phone? [17:39] hello are the Facebook client app developers in the channel? Sorry for being late...bad internet connection [17:39] frankencode: I've tried QML_IMPORT_TRACE=1 but it did not shed any light to the issue [17:39] also strace did not reveal anything to me [17:40] Kevin: Hi, I'm on the Facebook team [17:40] barbarrica: Hello! [17:41] barbarrica: Let's see if anyone else from the team is here...or we can have a quick chat on our own [17:43] barbarrica: maybe it is just the two of us [17:43] barbarrica: let's have a quick chat to get started. [17:44] barbarrica: thanks for joining today [17:44] Kevin: Thank you [17:44] barbarrica: I'm looking forward to working together on this project [17:44] barbarrica: did you have a chance to install qt5 and the ubuntu components? [17:45] kevin:yes, I've had some problems becausei tried it on 12.04, but I got it working now [17:45] barbarrica: great. glad you finally were able to get things working [17:46] kevin: QtCreator 2.6.1 is also working [17:46] barbarrica: OK great. I sent a bunch of emails over the past few days Hope it wasn't too much alll at once. [17:46] barbarrica: Did you have a chance to read through most of the info? [17:47] kevin: I've seen the initial blueprint and I proposed myself to begin working in the auth functionality [17:48] barbarrica: Great! Thanks for that [17:48] barbarrica: Are there any questions I can help to answer at this time? [17:48] Kevin: my idea is to use a WebView to do the oauth [17:49] barbarrica: Would that mean the rest of the application would need to be in a WebView? [17:50] barbarrica: btw, I might have problems with my internet connection during this discussion, so if I am unresponsive at some point you'll know why [17:51] kevin: no, only the authentication page will, after the user authenticates we can save the auth token for subsquent access [17:51] barbarrica: ok cool [17:51] kevin: i guess the Tweeter team will have the same issue [17:51] barbarrica: it sounds like that won't take long to implement. is that correct? [17:52] barbarrica: yes probably [17:52] kevin: Yes, it's a simple thing... [17:52] barbarrica: OK great [17:53] barbarrica: So at this time is there anything I can do to help you out? Or any questions you need answered? [17:54] barbarrica: The developer guide might be of some assistance, but I am always available by email and of course here on IRC [17:54] barbarrica: (this week I am not on IRC as much as usual though -- next week I will be around more often) [17:54] kevin: I'm new to launchpad, and I'm trying to get around in it [17:54] kevin: how do the code commits work ? [17:55] barbarrica: mhall119 can also provide you some help [17:55] barbarrica: the developer guide has some information about that [17:55] barbarrica: do you have the link? [17:55] kevin: no [17:55] barbarrica: one moment [17:56] barbarrica: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide [17:56] kevin: thanks I'll look into that [17:57] Anyone know where is UbuntuComponents plugin source code? [17:57] hey KevinWright, is there a meeting going on? [17:57] ajalkane: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, i think [17:57] mhall119: A two person meeting [17:58] getting 503 when trying to browse it though, not tried bzr checkout [17:58] same for me [17:58] ah, now the browse works [17:58] mhall119: meet barbarrica grom the Facebook team [17:58] ajalkane: yes, bzr branch lp:ubuntu-ui.toolkit [17:58] hi barbarrica [17:58] alright cool [17:58] grom == from [17:58] KevinWright: is it too late to start the meeting bot? [17:58] kevin: Are there any testing guidelines available ? I've some people talking about an automated test tool... [17:59] mhall119: probably not necessary at this time ... did not know you needed to do that sorry [17:59] barbarrica: let me dig something up for you and send by email [18:00] barbarrica: I know we started about 5+ minutes late for the talk, but I think I might get cutoff in a moment [18:00] KevinWright: anybody can use it, it's nice because it produces the well formated minutes that I put on the wiki for the RSS Reader yesterday [18:00] barbarrica: before I do is there any final question I can answer? mhall119 can also help you too [18:01] mhall119: cool [18:01] mhall119: can you send me some details about that by email? [18:01] KevinWright: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology has everything you need [18:02] mhall119: thanks for that [18:02] kevin: I've also looked at some of the wireframes, and they are starting to look good [18:03] Good. I didn't get a chance to look at them in great detail yet myself, but I will be doing so during the coming days. [18:03] barbarrica: Sorry to have to go now. Thans [18:03] what wireframes ? [18:03] barbarrica: Thanks for joining today [18:03] barbarrica: I'm looking forward to working together [18:03] kevin: ok, see you soon. [18:04] barbarrica: Talk to you soon [18:05] barbarrica: FYI, I've just heard that there is a QML plugin coming soon to access Ubuntu Online Accounts credentials, so the facebook app can request an auth token from that instead of having to implement an oauth step itself [18:08] hello [18:08] mhall119: That will be great ! I was thinking about a central auth service like that, should be available [18:08] did the twitter meeting begin already? :) [18:09] barbarrica: it already exists on the desktop, it just needed to be exposed to QML [18:11] fmunozs: assuming the meeting that just happened was the twitter meeting, it is already over [18:12] :C [18:12] tho it seems like it may have been the facebook meeting i'm only paying half attention [18:12] (or less) [18:13] mhall119: thanks, I'll search for it [18:17] barbarrica: it's not available yet, package is being build now, it should get published later today [18:25] mhall119: ping [18:25] KevinWright: pong [18:26] mhall119: There is another meeting for Twitter client in about 5 min. [18:26] mhall119: I didn't have a chance to read about the meeting bot [18:26] mhall119: Do you have a 2 minute crash course? [18:27] KevinWright: I can just run the bot for you this session and you can watch [18:27] mhall119: OK [18:27] let me know when to start [18:28] mhall119: OK I will (it will be in about 2 to 3 minutes) [18:28] KevinWright, hello! I'm here for the Twitter meeting too [18:29] fmonozs: Hello! [18:29] Anyone else here from the Twitter client app dev team? [18:30] sorry, fmonozs == fmunozs [18:31] :) I think jaakko_kui is from the Twitter team too [18:31] Hi all! [18:34] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Hello thanks for joining the talk for the Twitter client [18:34] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Sorry I got cutoff for a second there. Hello thanks for joining the talk for the Twitter client [18:34] Anyone else here for thee Twitter client app development team? [18:35] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Shall we get started? [18:35] Ok [18:35] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Great! [18:35] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Did you both get a chance to install Qt5 and the Ubuntu components? [18:35] Sorry mhall119 we started [18:36] Yes, I have played little bit- [18:36] jaakko_kui: Good stuff [18:36] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: I also sent a bunch of emails the past few days. Hope it wasn't too much all at once. [18:37] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: In there were some details about some rough work items I put into blueprints [18:37] it's good to get info :) [18:37] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Did you have a chance to see those? [18:37] #startmeeting Twitter app [18:37] Meeting started Wed Feb 20 18:37:38 2013 UTC. The chair is mhall119. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:37] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:37] I have read them once [18:37] #topic progress review [18:38] mhall119: thanks [18:38] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Twitter [18:38] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: If there are any questions about any of the info please don't hesitate to ask myself or mhall119 [18:38] #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-twitter-app/+spec/initial-twitter-development [18:38] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: mhall119 is pasting some of the links now [18:39] thanks [18:39] ok [18:39] those are links wo the wiki spec page and the blueprint [18:39] the work items for the initial development are listed at the bottom of the Blueprint [18:39] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Are there any questions you had on your mind we can help answer? [18:39] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: We can discuss the project specifics in a moment [18:40] has everybody been able to install the SDK and grab a copy of the app's branch? [18:40] and get that running [18:40] yes, Qt5 and SDK running on Ubuntu 12.10 [18:41] i have sdk, but not apps branch yet [18:41] and did you bzr branch lp:ubuntu-twitter-app? [18:41] jaakko_kui: ^^ do that [18:41] ok [18:41] mhall119: Maybe you can answer a question for me actually [18:41] then you can either run it from QtCreator, or just run "qmlscene twitter.qml" from inside the directory [18:42] ok [18:42] KevinWright: sure? [18:42] mhall119: Did someone already do some work towards a Twitter client? [18:43] mhall119: I thought someone mentioned it to me before. [18:43] there was a twitter app written in Qt4, gatox and mandel wrote it before the SDK was released [18:43] I think they're on the team for this version too [18:43] mhall119: OK so it may or may not be useful for us here [18:44] I'm sure some of it will be useful [18:44] mhall119: OK cool [18:44] how much, I can't say [18:44] mhall119: OK, we can check on it later [18:44] mhall119: Thanks [18:44] any other progress updates? [18:44] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Did you have a chance to look at the work items that were proposed? [18:45] #topic Work Items [18:45] mhall119: thanks again [18:45] :) [18:45] yes [18:45] there are 13 work items currently on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-twitter-app/+spec/initial-twitter-development [18:45] fmunozs: Did you have a chance to see them? [18:45] KevinWright, you mean the functional requirements? [18:46] we need to get those assigned to members of the team [18:46] I see them now [18:46] fmunozs: mhall119 pasted a link to the work items, but they are from the functional requirements [18:46] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: Take a look and volunteer yourself for something that sounds interesting to you [18:47] I can do test related tasks [18:47] jaakko_kui, fmunozs: at the start of the line in the blueprint put your Launchpad ID in [] brackets [18:47] jaakko_kui: Cool. Testing is very important [18:48] So the format will be [you-lp-id] This is a work item: TODO [18:48] ok [18:48] yea, just noticed pretty much the same, I don't see anything about sharing stuff from other applications, I saw in the tablet announcement there will be a sharing framework, right? somebody else will take care of that? [18:48] fmunozs: Anything there look interesting? [18:48] #action jaakko_kui to self-assign work items [18:48] ACTION: jaakko_kui to self-assign work items [18:48] #action fmunozs to self-assign work items [18:48] ACTION: fmunozs to self-assign work items [18:48] who can email the rest of the team and ask them to each take 2 work items? [18:49] mhall119: I can do that. I already sent one or two about this topic. [18:49] #action KevinWright Email the ubuntu-twitter-dev team, ask each member to assign themselves to 2 work items [18:49]