| bkc_ | if you want a hint on pre-installed software, I'd go here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs and look under "Default applications" | 00:19 |
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| bkc_ | :) | 00:19 |
| bkc_ | but as anything #tablet or #phone, it's not set in stone until release :) | 00:19 |
| bkc_ | or even OEM-release ;) | 00:19 |
| doomlord | whats the status of ubuntu for tablets , i've seen somethign about ubuntu running on an n7.. | 00:54 |
| doomlord | are there many tweaks for touch input.. i think i saw 3-finger drag for window movement ... i wondered if it would get 4 finger gestures for accessing desktops (triggering expo zoom-out) | 00:54 |
| bkc_ | thursday | 00:57 |
| bkc_ | release is on thursday :) | 00:57 |
| colonelqubit | bkc_: I'm sure gecko can run on ARM -- consider FirefoxOS (or whatever it's been branded as these days :-) | 01:00 |
| bkc_ | yes, I remembered that juuust as I hit enter :P | 01:01 |
| colonelqubit | gotta run | 01:01 |
| colonelqubit | fun chatting w/y'all... | 01:01 |
| doomlord | oh. wow. press release | 01:07 |
| doomlord | available for N10. i need one! | 01:07 |
| doomlord | so lets get this straight - an N10 with ubuntu tablet and external keyboard becomes a true gnu-linux desktop machine? running gcc toolchain etc? | 01:16 |
| bkc_ | perhaps | 01:16 |
| bkc_ | nobody (except for canonical and the dev-team) knows what the phone/tablet version will include/have :) | 01:17 |
| doomlord | i'm debating an n10 purchase - the hardware is nice- but if you can turn the thing into a'true' computer then i'll stop dithering and get one | 01:19 |
| bkc_ | there's always ubuntu-arm if all else fails :) | 01:19 |
| M4rtinK | well, you can install and use GCC & co on a N900 or N9 | 01:19 |
| doomlord | the video is encouraging. thats definitely how things shuld work | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | so why not on an Ubuntu running N10 | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | that reminds me how I used an Ubunctu chroot running under WebOS on HP Touchpad | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | to compile Qt Components | 01:21 |
| doomlord | ubuntu-arm runs on n7.. anything else? | 01:21 |
| M4rtinK | ...while sitting in a restaurant eating toasts :) | 01:21 |
| M4rtinK | doomlord: nobody knows :) | 01:21 |
| doomlord | i have seen viids on n7 | 01:21 |
| bkc_ | n7 and n10 is basically the same device but with a larger screen... just like iPhone vs iPad :) | 01:21 |
| doomlord | n10 is diffferent chipset i think | 01:21 |
| doomlord | tegra3 vs otherr | 01:22 |
| doomlord | n7 is tegra3 | 01:22 |
| doomlord | n10 is definitely not | 01:22 |
| doomlord | wow i want to throw my ipad out of the window now | 01:23 |
| bkc_ | huuh, N10 and N7 are different vendors too o.O | 01:24 |
| doomlord | right asus/samsung | 01:24 |
| bkc_ | TIL :D | 01:25 |
| doomlord | i wondered how far people could get adapting desktop apps to work on a touchscreen... i know it isn't ideal but you can see various things moving toward taller buttons | 01:25 |
| doomlord | and i always thought the 'expo/scale' concept would work really well on a touchscreen for task switching | 01:26 |
| doomlord | imagine pinch gestures for that | 01:26 |
| nOStahl | I'm excited for docking the phone into a tablet shell | 01:27 |
| nOStahl | hope to see laptop shells to | 01:27 |
| doomlord | i have an urge to join #iphone and ask if you can install ubuntu there | 01:27 |
| bkc_ | DOET! :D | 01:27 |
| bkc_ | I'll join in ^.^ | 01:27 |
| doomlord | ok im there | 01:28 |
| nOStahl | I have an iPhone 5, you cannot install it doom lord sorry to rain on your parade | 01:28 |
| bkc_ | but you can on an iPhone 2G :) | 01:28 |
| bkc_ | and 3G iirc | 01:28 |
| doomlord | damn i'm blocked already there lol | 01:28 |
| doomlord | forgot about that | 01:28 |
| bkc_ | http://www.idroidproject.org/ | 01:29 |
| bkc_ | blocked? :P | 01:29 |
| bkc_ | how'd'ya do that? :P | 01:29 |
| doomlord | yeah i aasked some other questions they didnt like i think | 01:29 |
| bkc_ | apple fags ^.^ | 01:29 |
| doomlord | well not so much the questions just my persistent nature | 01:29 |
| doomlord | some people can't handle the truth i guess | 01:29 |
| bkc_ | lol, well, there's #idroid-dev too :) | 01:31 |
| doomlord | anyone here familiar with ubuntu arm then? :) | 02:08 |
| bkc_ | doomlord: yes and no :) | 02:20 |
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| doomlord | been porting code to android... looking forward to installing ubuntu phone and ditching the stupid java stubs | 02:35 |
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| om26er | if swipe from the right brings in the sidestage how do you quickly move between two running apps like on the phone ? | 13:11 |
| Ben__ | Hello | 13:26 |
| Ben__ | I saw you are making an OS for Tablets | 13:26 |
| Ben__ | I have a Nexus 7 and was curious to what all you can do with Ubuntu on it | 13:27 |
| Ben__ | such as, does the GPS work? NFC? Front Camera? etc.. | 13:27 |
| Ben__ | hello? | 13:29 |
| GuidoPallemas | try #ubuntu-phone, the tablet source will take some time | 14:01 |
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| thebishop | can't wait to install ubuntu tablet on my Nexus7, but the UI video makes me think it'll be a bit nicer on a 10" | 14:52 |
| nOStahl | I'm sure its responsive :) | 14:53 |
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| thebishop | the nexus7 is a pretty powerful little tablet, i'm more concerned with the UI design decisions. they look good, but maybe better suited for 10" i guess i'll find out tomorrow | 15:07 |
| Walther | When will the iamges/source be available btw? | 15:14 |
| Walther | I can't wait to isntall the thing on my nexus 7 | 15:14 |
| thebishop | i read thursday on arstechnica | 15:38 |
| thebishop | today PS4, tomorrow Ubuntu Tablet. nice week for tech | 15:44 |
| thebishop | now if only Samsung would announce release details on the new Series 7 Chronos, my tech life for the next year would be complete | 15:45 |
| mrtharepist | hey, any idea if the ability of Ubuntu to use C in development will make it easier to develop for iOS and Ubuntu mobile? | 16:39 |
| doomlord | i thinkso | 16:48 |
| doomlord | oh wait let me reithink the question.. | 16:48 |
| doomlord | easier to develop FOR iOS, i initially speed read it as "easier to develop for than iOS" | 16:49 |
| doomlord | i think it will be easier to do crossplatform between iOS & ubuntu-mobile since c,c++,objC are all availalbe on both,compared to the strange Java setup in android | 16:49 |
| doomlord | and i think ubuntu-mobile will be easier to develop for as you have the full desktop on the device for debugging, compile-edit run cycle | 16:50 |
| doomlord | which is likely to be more stable & optimized: ubuntu-tablet on N7 or ubuntu-tablet on N10 | 16:56 |
| thebishop | doomlord, don't you think the toolkits are more of a portability issue for android/iOS than the language? | 17:13 |
| thebishop | you could just as easily write Java on ubuntu+android and have portability problems with iOS | 17:14 |
| thebishop | i'd guess that is more likely than people doing objective C on Ubuntu | 17:14 |
| doomlord | yes you're right, but at least with the same language its easier to take a wine approach | 17:14 |
| doomlord | perhaps community will get behind cocotron .. | 17:15 |
| doomlord | i would personally like to see more increasingle touchfriendly desktop apps (think of machines like lenovo yoga, or transformer prime) | 17:17 |
| doomlord | phone/tablet/desktop ideally is just the size of the window | 17:17 |
| bkc_ | mrtharepist: yes, UbuntuTablet/Phone will have Native Apps in C/C++ or with Ubuntu SDK (which is basically Qt with a custom theme) | 17:19 |
| bkc_ | mrtharepist: Android/iOS/Ubuntu are have three totally different sets of SDKs, APIs and Languages (Java, Obj-C, C/C++/JS) so the portability-issue will still be there unless you do WebApps :) | 17:21 |
| bkc_ | I hate it when I don't read the entire question ^.^ | 17:21 |
| doomlord | need a nice crossplatform c++ gui built on pure opengl, then you could write once an run on ios,ndk ... but is thtat baasically what qt is? | 17:22 |
| bkc_ | actually there is one :) | 17:23 |
| bkc_ | It's called WebKit :D | 17:23 |
| mrtharepist | bkc_: but sharing libraries is not really possible between android/ios. | 17:24 |
| doomlord | all we really need is the ability to install ubuntu on more devices | 17:25 |
| mrtharepist | if you write c++ functions, you can use them for both. | 17:25 |
| bkc_ | actually C-libs, C++ is a completely different mess in itself :) | 17:26 |
| doomlord | yeah i like to say c/c++ | 17:26 |
| bkc_ | doomlord: no, we need apache on every phone ^.^ | 17:26 |
| bkc_ | doomlord: huge difference when it comes to libs :) | 17:26 |
| doomlord | i'm not a c++ coder who hates c, i'm a c/c++ coder | 17:27 |
| doomlord | c++ is c with some extentions, some of which are useful | 17:27 |
| bkc_ | yes, sort of... | 17:28 |
| mrtharepist | yeah. c++ is just a ++ version of c. with a bunch of object oriented fun. | 17:28 |
| doomlord | some of which is useful, some of which is irritating | 17:28 |
| bkc_ | I use C++ "exclusively" in that I almost always compile with g++/clang++ instead of gcc/clang :) | 17:28 |
| bkc_ | and I abuse classes/inheritance/templeting etc | 17:29 |
| doomlord | yeah i use a C++ compiler, and can't go back due to use of many features ,but a lot of code i write would be slated by advocates of some sort of pure pure C++ | 17:30 |
| mrtharepist | IDK I was hoping that there would be a way to streamline the development process so that it makes it easier to go cross platform. | 17:30 |
| doomlord | i get the impression it might help | 17:30 |
| doomlord | e.g., with ubuntu phone you might find more community interest in contributing to cocotron (wine like port of apple apis) | 17:31 |
| mrtharepist | I have been learning obj-C because there is some serious money there. | 17:31 |
| mrtharepist | going to android's SDK has been so horrible. I am hoping ubuntu's SDK is better. | 17:32 |
| bkc_ | well, you have a more flexible system under linux | 17:33 |
| doomlord | i've only used NDK .. written a tiny amount of java to hand values across to me wrapper | 17:33 |
| doomlord | not really serious use of android on my part | 17:34 |
| thebishop | mrtharepist, you don't like android's SDK? i think it's great personally | 17:43 |
| Darkwing | Quick Q. With the images be up for Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 tomorrow or, just the Nexus 7? | 17:44 |
| thebishop | the callbacks for app state changes are a little weird, but i think you can largely build an app without them and then add them after the app is mostly solid | 17:44 |
| thebishop | Darkwing, Arstechnica reported images for both. that's the most 'official' info i've seen | 17:45 |
| Darkwing | Okay cool. | 17:45 |
| Darkwing | Now if I can just find out for the Galaxy Nexus, if its only maguro or if toro will be subborted. | 17:46 |
| mhall119 | Darkwing: only maguro from what I understand | 18:08 |
| Darkwing | That's what I thought too. | 18:09 |
| Darkwing | Thanks mhall119 | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | np | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | also, both Nexus 7 and 8 (also N4 and GNex) images should all be available tomorrow | 18:09 |
| Darkwing | Okay. any date on source? | 18:10 |
| Darkwing | source code | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | tomorrow | 18:10 |
| Darkwing | whoot | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | everything goes out tomorrow | 18:10 |
| Darkwing | that means tomorrow I start hacking for toro | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | \o/ | 18:10 |
| Darkwing | having a toro I want it... bad. | 18:10 |
| SimpleBlue | sweet, a channel for tablets :) | 18:37 |
| ptl | <- Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 ready to receive new OSs! | 19:50 |
| ptl | please release it soon, bought them just for that! | 19:50 |
| Jonathan_R | i have an exopc tablet and read about ubuntu for tablets. i currently am running opensuse but cant get multitouch to work. how would this be accomplished in ubuntu | 19:52 |
| thebishop | Jonathan_R, not that I have any insider info here, but that's more of a general linux question than an Ubuntu question i think. | 19:59 |
| thebishop | if the kernel supports your hardware, and there's a compatible xorg-input module, you should be good | 20:00 |
| Jonathan_R | you would think | 20:00 |
| thebishop | well i wouldn't expect every random tablet to 'just' work with tomorrow's preview release | 20:00 |
| Jonathan_R | i worked on the plasma active team doing troubleshooting and documentatin | 20:00 |
| thebishop | seems like there are a handful of (mostly Nexus) devices which have been tested heavily. haven't seen any confirmation of anything else | 20:01 |
| thebishop | although there is a table of tablets on Ubuntu's radar: | 20:01 |
| Jonathan_R | but thus far have never gotten multitouch to work | 20:01 |
| Jonathan_R | the exopc is on the ubuntu tablet list | 20:01 |
| Jonathan_R | if i had a way to download the ubuntu tablet iso or something i could test it | 20:03 |
| Jonathan_R | or maybe theres a ppa to add to ubuntu | 20:03 |
| ericmcray | hello guys. can ask you few question about ubuntu for tablet? | 20:28 |
| k1l | just ask | 20:29 |
| GuidoPallemans | faq though: http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq | 20:29 |
| k1l | if someone knows it you get the answer (maybe with some delay) | 20:30 |
| k1l | yes, the faq is quite handy | 20:30 |
| ericmcray | is it going to be possible install ubuntu to any tablet which can run android? | 20:33 |
| belak | Any idea when the tablet release will be out? | 20:34 |
| belak | I noticed that there's supposed to be a tablet dev preview relatively soon... | 20:35 |
| k1l | someone mentioned the code comes tomorrow with the phone code release. but im not sure if that is officially confirmed | 20:36 |
| netcurli | jono just confirmed that at the ubuntuonair hangout | 20:37 |
| ericmcray | from ubuntu web site: "The system code for phones and tablets will be published on Feb 21st under the normal Ubuntu process" | 20:37 |
| belak | "normal ubuntu process"? | 20:37 |
| netcurli | the code should be published in launchpad | 20:38 |
| k1l | thx, netcurli | 20:39 |
| ptl | at what time of day? | 20:42 |
| k1l | just before midnight form the next day | 20:42 |
| ptl | k1l :( | 20:44 |
| belak | Will just the code be released that day, or will a binary release be done as well? | 20:51 |
| netcurli | there should be also images for the nexus phones/tablets tomorrow | 20:55 |
| netcurli | and jono said, we could expect the dev release tomorrow afternoon european time | 20:57 |
| rob_w | will a "platform builder" be available tomorrow ? | 20:57 |
| rob_w | or toolchain or such | 20:57 |
| belak | Score. I'm looking forward to playing with it on my N7 | 20:57 |
| belak | First phone platform I'm really interested in | 20:57 |
| belak | Well, mobile platform | 20:58 |
| greenchris_ | why can't they release it now :( | 20:58 |
| greenchris_ | want to install it on my n4 and n7 | 20:58 |
| belak | lol | 20:58 |
| greenchris_ | :D | 20:58 |
| greenchris_ | the first mobile platform i like more than android | 20:59 |
| belak | greenchris_: well, it still remains to be seen... | 21:00 |
| belak | ;) | 21:00 |
| greenchris_ | yes... | 21:01 |
| Nexus7Guy | Yo! | 21:06 |
| Nexus7Guy | Can somoene help me with a user issue I have on my Ubuntu installation? | 21:07 |
| Nexus7Guy | Running on Nexus 7 | 21:07 |
| Nexus7Guy | :/ | 21:08 |
| belak | Nexus7Guy: well, it's almost impossible to help if you don't mention what the problem is | 21:09 |
| belak | ;) | 21:09 |
| Nexus7Guy | k. Well I have downloaded the preinstall image and now I cant login to root | 21:09 |
| Nexus7Guy | The only username thats avail at the login screen is Guest | 21:09 |
| Nexus7Guy | I cant execute any sudo commands under Guest to do anything about it | 21:09 |
| Nexus7Guy | I have tried logging in on thelogin screen to root with the password ubuntu but it just says authentication failed | 21:10 |
| Nexus7Guy | Any ideas on what I should do? :( | 21:10 |
| belak | Nexus7Guy: can you run sudo with the password ubuntu? | 21:11 |
| Nexus7Guy | Nope | 21:12 |
| Nexus7Guy | Because thers only the guest account which denys me access with root alltogether | 21:12 |
| belak | Well, that's my only idea... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/UsingTheDevice#sudo_password | 21:12 |
| Nexus7Guy | That wont work :( darn | 21:12 |
| belak | iirc there should have been a user named ubuntu, but it's been a while since I've tried... | 21:13 |
| Nexus7Guy | Hmm | 21:14 |
| Nexus7Guy | I have tried logging into username Ubuntu | 21:14 |
| Nexus7Guy | but I havent trie dmultiple passwords | 21:14 |
| belak | I may download it and try... so I can let you know what I run into | 21:15 |
| Nexus7Guy | Sweet! | 21:15 |
| Nexus7Guy | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current | 21:16 |
| Nexus7Guy | Got it from there :/ | 21:16 |
| Nexus7Guy | No idea why I cant just login | 21:16 |
| Jonathan_R | i had to login as root | 21:17 |
| Jonathan_R | add the usergroup and member that was supposed to be created on install | 21:17 |
| Jonathan_R | then login as user | 21:17 |
| Nexus7Guy | Sadly I cant login to root :( | 21:18 |
| Nexus7Guy | Tried the password ubuntu but it just says no | 21:18 |
| Nexus7Guy | "/ | 21:18 |
| Jonathan_R | can you get to termal? | 21:18 |
| Jonathan_R | sudo su - | 21:18 |
| Nexus7Guy | Yeah I can get to terminal but it denies me acess to sudo | 21:19 |
| * Jonathan_R doesnt like sudo | 21:19 | |
| Nexus7Guy | ANd I have tried su and that just asks for password so I put in ubuntu ansd still no | 21:19 |
| Nexus7Guy | xD | 21:19 |
| k1l | dont use sudo su -. use sudo -i | 21:19 |
| Jonathan_R | i prefer su to sudo | 21:20 |
| Nexus7Guy | It says unable to change sudoers gid: Operation not permitted | 21:20 |
| k1l | Jonathan_R: its not the ubuntu way | 21:20 |
| Jonathan_R | what about getting to root via grub | 21:21 |
| Nexus7Guy | Not sure how I would go about editing a premade .img file | 21:21 |
| Jonathan_R | k1l, no, i suppose its not, but i never liked sudo | 21:22 |
| Jonathan_R | you dont Nexus7Guy | 21:22 |
| Jonathan_R | boot like normal | 21:22 |
| Jonathan_R | on grub i think its option 1 | 21:22 |
| Nexus7Guy | Ahh yeah, but Im using multirom, as far as I know theres no Grub acess | 21:22 |
| Nexus7Guy | Multirom boots directly into the image | 21:23 |
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| Jonathan_R | you should still see grub | 21:23 |
| Jonathan_R | if yes, then in the grub menu i think its 1 | 21:24 |
| Jonathan_R | for single user | 21:24 |
| Nexus7Guy | Yeah but sadly I dont see grub :( I didnt even know Grub was compiled for ARM | 21:24 |
| Jonathan_R | it can be | 21:25 |
| Nexus7Guy | ah ok. Sadly I dont see any grub at a;l | 21:25 |
| Jonathan_R | wether thats the case here or not i dont know | 21:25 |
| Jonathan_R | check the package list or manifest list | 21:26 |
| Nexus7Guy | Sorry to be noobish but how would I do that? | 21:26 |
| k1l | Nexus7Guy: i dont think that works just with the image. there was a install application from ubuntu which deleted the whole nexus | 21:27 |
| Jonathan_R | the same sight you got the download from | 21:27 |
| Nexus7Guy | ah I see | 21:27 |
| k1l | Nexus7Guy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation | 21:28 |
| Jonathan_R | i have an exopc that had win7 on it but now has opensuse, getting ready for some version of ubuntu | 21:29 |
| Demestor | When can we expect a Ubuntu version for the x86 Motorola Razr i | 21:29 |
| Jonathan_R | just doin my homework first | 21:29 |
| k1l | Demestor: noone knows when | 21:30 |
| k1l | or even if | 21:30 |
| Demestor | Thx .. hopefully as explained on the Ubuntu Homepage they think about .. | 21:31 |
| Jonathan_R | Demestor, i can tell you this | 21:31 |
| k1l | Demestor: the razr i got very different hardware. dont know if this will be a target | 21:31 |
| Jonathan_R | ubuntu is the only distro doing this other than open-sl | 21:32 |
| Demestor | i know .. the x86 CPU was a reason for me to choose it | 21:32 |
| Jonathan_R | and ubuntu is leading the way | 21:32 |
| Jonathan_R | open-slx is still on plasma active 2 | 21:33 |
| Jonathan_R | wb thebishop | 21:34 |
| thebishop | ???? | 21:35 |
| Demestor | Ok another question.. like seen in the youtube videos it seems there is a running version of a mobile Ubuntu out yet. Anyone have an image of this? | 21:35 |
| GuidoPallemans | tomorrow afternoon european time it's downloadable | 21:36 |
| k1l | Demestor: yes the devs got a runnning image | 21:36 |
| GuidoPallemans | a dev image though | 21:36 |
| GuidoPallemans | does anybody know how to install it on a VM? | 21:36 |
| k1l | Demestor: it is to be released tomorrow. but be told that this is a dev image and not ready to use for the masses | 21:36 |
| Demestor | thx.. so i patiently wait | 21:37 |
| Demestor | see ya all | 21:37 |
| Jonathan_R | k1l, that would be what i would want then | 21:38 |
| doomlord | hmm do i get n7 or n10 or n4 | 22:52 |
| k1l | get all of them :) | 22:53 |
| tgm4883 | Is there hardware acceleration on the nexus tablets with Ubuntu yet? | 23:15 |
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