[00:19] <bkc_> if you want a hint on pre-installed software, I'd go here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs and look under "Default applications"
[00:19] <bkc_> :)
[00:19] <bkc_> but as anything #tablet or #phone, it's not set in stone until release :)
[00:19] <bkc_> or even OEM-release ;)
[00:54] <doomlord> whats the status of ubuntu for tablets , i've seen somethign about ubuntu running on an n7..
[00:54] <doomlord> are there many tweaks for touch input.. i think i saw 3-finger drag for window movement ... i wondered if it would get 4 finger gestures for accessing desktops (triggering expo zoom-out)
[00:57] <bkc_> thursday
[00:57] <bkc_> release is on thursday :)
[01:00] <colonelqubit> bkc_:  I'm sure gecko can run on ARM -- consider FirefoxOS (or whatever it's been branded as these days :-)
[01:01] <bkc_> yes, I remembered that juuust as I hit enter :P
[01:01] <colonelqubit> gotta run
[01:01] <colonelqubit> fun chatting w/y'all...
[01:07] <doomlord> oh. wow. press release
[01:07] <doomlord> available for N10. i need one!
[01:16] <doomlord> so lets get this straight - an N10 with ubuntu tablet and external keyboard becomes a true gnu-linux desktop machine? running gcc toolchain etc?
[01:16] <bkc_> perhaps
[01:17] <bkc_> nobody (except for canonical and the dev-team) knows what the phone/tablet version will include/have :)
[01:19] <doomlord> i'm debating an n10 purchase - the hardware is nice- but if you can turn the thing into a'true' computer then i'll  stop dithering and get one
[01:19] <bkc_> there's always ubuntu-arm if all else fails :)
[01:19] <M4rtinK> well, you can install and use GCC & co on a N900 or N9
[01:20] <doomlord> the video is encouraging. thats definitely how things shuld work
[01:20] <M4rtinK> so why not on an Ubuntu running N10
[01:20] <M4rtinK> that reminds me how I used an Ubunctu chroot running under WebOS on HP Touchpad
[01:21] <M4rtinK> to compile Qt Components
[01:21] <doomlord> ubuntu-arm runs on n7.. anything else?
[01:21] <M4rtinK> ...while sitting in a restaurant eating toasts :)
[01:21] <M4rtinK> doomlord: nobody knows :)
[01:21] <doomlord> i have seen viids on n7
[01:21] <bkc_> n7 and n10 is basically the same device but with a larger screen... just like iPhone vs iPad :)
[01:21] <doomlord> n10 is diffferent chipset i think
[01:22] <doomlord> tegra3 vs otherr
[01:22] <doomlord> n7 is tegra3
[01:22] <doomlord> n10 is definitely not
[01:23] <doomlord> wow i want to throw my ipad out of the window now
[01:24] <bkc_> huuh, N10 and N7 are different vendors too o.O
[01:24] <doomlord> right asus/samsung
[01:25] <bkc_> TIL :D
[01:25] <doomlord> i wondered how far people could get adapting desktop apps to work on a touchscreen... i know it isn't ideal but you can see various things moving toward taller buttons
[01:26] <doomlord> and i always thought the 'expo/scale' concept would work really well on a touchscreen for task switching
[01:26] <doomlord> imagine pinch gestures for that
[01:27] <nOStahl> I'm excited for docking the phone into a tablet shell
[01:27] <nOStahl> hope to see laptop shells to
[01:27] <doomlord> i have an urge to join #iphone and ask if you can install ubuntu there
[01:27] <bkc_> DOET! :D
[01:27] <bkc_> I'll join in ^.^
[01:28] <doomlord> ok im there
[01:28] <nOStahl> I have an iPhone 5, you cannot install it doom lord sorry to rain on your parade
[01:28] <bkc_> but you can on an iPhone 2G :)
[01:28] <bkc_> and 3G iirc
[01:28] <doomlord> damn i'm blocked already there lol
[01:28] <doomlord> forgot about that
[01:29] <bkc_> http://www.idroidproject.org/
[01:29] <bkc_> blocked? :P
[01:29] <bkc_> how'd'ya do that? :P
[01:29] <doomlord> yeah i aasked some other questions they didnt like i think
[01:29] <bkc_> apple fags ^.^
[01:29] <doomlord> well not so much the questions just my persistent nature
[01:29] <doomlord> some people can't handle the truth i guess
[01:31] <bkc_> lol, well, there's #idroid-dev too :)
[02:08] <doomlord> anyone here familiar with ubuntu arm then? :)
[02:20] <bkc_> doomlord: yes and no :)
[02:35] <doomlord> been porting code to android... looking forward to installing ubuntu phone and ditching the stupid java stubs
[13:11] <om26er> if swipe from the right brings in the sidestage how do you quickly move between two running apps like on the phone ?
[13:26] <Ben__> Hello
[13:26] <Ben__> I saw you are making an OS for Tablets
[13:27] <Ben__> I have a Nexus 7 and was curious to what all you can do with Ubuntu on it
[13:27] <Ben__> such as, does the GPS work? NFC? Front Camera? etc..
[13:29] <Ben__> hello?
[14:01] <GuidoPallemas> try #ubuntu-phone, the tablet source will take some time
[14:52] <thebishop> can't wait to install ubuntu tablet on my Nexus7, but the UI video makes me think it'll be a bit nicer on a 10"
[14:53] <nOStahl> I'm sure its responsive :)
[15:07] <thebishop> the nexus7 is a pretty powerful little tablet, i'm more concerned with the UI design decisions.  they look good, but maybe better suited for 10"  i guess i'll find out tomorrow
[15:14] <Walther> When will the iamges/source be available btw?
[15:14] <Walther> I can't wait to isntall the thing on my nexus 7
[15:38] <thebishop> i read thursday on arstechnica
[15:44] <thebishop> today PS4, tomorrow Ubuntu Tablet.  nice week for tech
[15:45] <thebishop> now if only Samsung would announce release details on the new Series 7 Chronos, my tech life for the next year would be complete
[16:39] <mrtharepist> hey, any idea if the ability of Ubuntu to use C in development will make it easier to develop for iOS and Ubuntu mobile?
[16:48] <doomlord> i thinkso
[16:48] <doomlord> oh wait let me reithink the question..
[16:49] <doomlord> easier to develop FOR iOS,  i initially speed read it as "easier to develop for than iOS"
[16:49] <doomlord> i think it will be easier to do crossplatform between iOS & ubuntu-mobile since c,c++,objC are all availalbe on both,compared to the strange Java setup in android
[16:50] <doomlord> and i think ubuntu-mobile will be easier to develop for as you have the full desktop on the device for debugging, compile-edit run cycle
[16:56] <doomlord> which is likely to be more stable & optimized: ubuntu-tablet on N7 or ubuntu-tablet on N10
[17:13] <thebishop> doomlord, don't you think the toolkits are more of a portability issue for android/iOS than the language?
[17:14] <thebishop> you could just as easily write Java on ubuntu+android and have portability problems with iOS
[17:14] <thebishop> i'd guess that is more likely than people doing objective C on Ubuntu
[17:14] <doomlord> yes you're right, but at least with the same language its easier to take a wine approach
[17:15] <doomlord> perhaps community will get behind cocotron ..
[17:17] <doomlord> i would personally like to see more increasingle touchfriendly desktop apps (think of machines like lenovo yoga, or transformer prime)
[17:17] <doomlord> phone/tablet/desktop ideally is just the size of the window
[17:19] <bkc_> mrtharepist: yes, UbuntuTablet/Phone will have Native Apps in C/C++ or with Ubuntu SDK (which is basically Qt with a custom theme)
[17:21] <bkc_> mrtharepist: Android/iOS/Ubuntu are have three totally different sets of SDKs, APIs and Languages (Java, Obj-C, C/C++/JS) so the portability-issue will still be there unless you do WebApps :)
[17:21] <bkc_> I hate it when I don't read the entire question ^.^
[17:22] <doomlord> need a nice crossplatform c++ gui built on pure opengl, then you could write once an run on ios,ndk ... but is thtat baasically what qt is?
[17:23] <bkc_> actually there is one :)
[17:23] <bkc_> It's called WebKit :D
[17:24] <mrtharepist> bkc_: but sharing libraries is not really possible between android/ios.
[17:25] <doomlord> all we really need is the ability to install ubuntu on more devices
[17:25] <mrtharepist> if you write c++ functions, you can use them for both.
[17:26] <bkc_> actually C-libs, C++ is a completely different mess in itself :)
[17:26] <doomlord> yeah i like to say c/c++
[17:26] <bkc_> doomlord: no, we need apache on every phone ^.^
[17:26] <bkc_> doomlord: huge difference when it comes to libs :)
[17:27] <doomlord> i'm not a c++ coder who hates c, i'm a c/c++ coder
[17:27] <doomlord> c++ is c with some extentions, some of which are useful
[17:28] <bkc_> yes, sort of...
[17:28] <mrtharepist> yeah. c++ is just a ++ version of c. with a bunch of object oriented fun.
[17:28] <doomlord> some of which is useful, some of which is irritating
[17:28] <bkc_> I use C++ "exclusively" in that I almost always compile with g++/clang++ instead of gcc/clang :)
[17:29] <bkc_> and I abuse classes/inheritance/templeting etc
[17:30] <doomlord> yeah i use a C++ compiler, and can't go back due to use of many features ,but a lot of code i write would be slated by advocates of some sort of pure pure C++
[17:30] <mrtharepist> IDK I was hoping that there would be a way to streamline the development process so that it makes it easier to go cross platform.
[17:30] <doomlord> i get the impression it might help
[17:31] <doomlord> e.g., with ubuntu phone you might find more community interest in contributing to cocotron (wine like port of apple apis)
[17:31] <mrtharepist> I have been learning obj-C because there is some serious money there.
[17:32] <mrtharepist> going to android's SDK has been so horrible. I am hoping ubuntu's SDK is better.
[17:33] <bkc_> well, you have a more flexible system under linux
[17:33] <doomlord> i've only used NDK .. written a tiny amount of java to hand values across to me wrapper
[17:34] <doomlord> not really serious use of android on my part
[17:43] <thebishop> mrtharepist, you don't like android's SDK?  i think it's great personally
[17:44] <Darkwing> Quick Q. With the images be up for Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 tomorrow or, just the Nexus 7?
[17:44] <thebishop> the callbacks for app state changes are a little weird, but i think you can largely build an app without them and then add them after the app is mostly solid
[17:45] <thebishop> Darkwing, Arstechnica reported images for both.  that's the most 'official' info i've seen
[17:45] <Darkwing> Okay cool.
[17:46] <Darkwing> Now if I can just find out for the Galaxy Nexus, if its only maguro or if toro will be subborted.
[18:08] <mhall119> Darkwing: only maguro from what I understand
[18:09] <Darkwing> That's what I thought too.
[18:09] <Darkwing> Thanks mhall119
[18:09] <mhall119> np
[18:09] <mhall119> also, both Nexus 7 and 8 (also N4 and GNex) images should all be available tomorrow
[18:10] <Darkwing> Okay. any date on source?
[18:10] <Darkwing> source code
[18:10] <mhall119> tomorrow
[18:10] <Darkwing> whoot
[18:10] <mhall119> everything goes out tomorrow
[18:10] <Darkwing> that means tomorrow I start hacking for toro
[18:10] <mhall119> \o/
[18:10] <Darkwing> having a toro I want it... bad.
[18:37] <SimpleBlue> sweet, a channel for tablets :)
[19:50] <ptl> <- Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 ready to receive new OSs!
[19:50] <ptl> please release it soon, bought them just for that!
[19:52] <Jonathan_R> i  have an exopc tablet and read about ubuntu for tablets. i currently am running opensuse but cant get multitouch to work. how would this be accomplished in ubuntu
[19:59] <thebishop> Jonathan_R, not that I have any insider info here, but that's more of a general linux question than an Ubuntu question i think.
[20:00] <thebishop> if the kernel supports your hardware, and there's a compatible xorg-input module, you should be good
[20:00] <Jonathan_R> you would think
[20:00] <thebishop> well i wouldn't expect every random tablet to 'just' work with tomorrow's preview release
[20:00] <Jonathan_R> i worked on the plasma active team doing troubleshooting and documentatin
[20:01] <thebishop> seems like there are a handful of (mostly Nexus) devices which have been tested heavily.  haven't seen any confirmation of anything else
[20:01] <thebishop> although there is a table of tablets on Ubuntu's radar:
[20:01] <Jonathan_R> but thus far have never gotten multitouch to work
[20:01] <Jonathan_R> the exopc is on the ubuntu tablet list
[20:03] <Jonathan_R> if i had a way to download the ubuntu tablet iso or something i could test it
[20:03] <Jonathan_R> or maybe theres a ppa to add to ubuntu
[20:28] <ericmcray> hello guys. can ask you few question about ubuntu for tablet?
[20:29] <k1l> just ask
[20:29] <GuidoPallemans> faq though: http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq
[20:30] <k1l> if someone knows it you get the answer (maybe with some delay)
[20:30] <k1l> yes, the faq is quite handy
[20:33] <ericmcray> is it going to be possible install ubuntu to any tablet which can run android?
[20:34] <belak> Any idea when the tablet release will be out?
[20:35] <belak> I noticed that there's supposed to be a tablet dev preview relatively soon...
[20:36] <k1l> someone mentioned the code comes tomorrow with the phone code release. but im not sure if that is officially confirmed
[20:37] <netcurli> jono just confirmed that at the ubuntuonair hangout
[20:37] <ericmcray> from ubuntu web site: "The system code for phones and tablets will be published on Feb 21st under the normal Ubuntu process"
[20:37] <belak> "normal ubuntu process"?
[20:38] <netcurli> the code should be published in launchpad
[20:39] <k1l> thx, netcurli
[20:42] <ptl> at what time of day?
[20:42] <k1l> just before midnight form the next day
[20:44] <ptl> k1l :(
[20:51] <belak> Will just the code be released that day, or will a binary release be done as well?
[20:55] <netcurli> there should be also images for the nexus phones/tablets tomorrow
[20:57] <netcurli> and jono said, we could expect the dev release tomorrow afternoon european time
[20:57] <rob_w> will a "platform builder"  be available tomorrow ?
[20:57] <rob_w> or toolchain or such
[20:57] <belak> Score. I'm looking forward to playing with it on my N7
[20:57] <belak> First phone platform I'm really interested in
[20:58] <belak> Well, mobile platform
[20:58] <greenchris_> why can't they release it now :(
[20:58] <greenchris_> want to install it on my n4 and n7
[20:58] <belak> lol
[20:58] <greenchris_> :D
[20:59] <greenchris_> the first mobile platform i like more than android
[21:00] <belak> greenchris_: well, it still remains to be seen...
[21:00] <belak> ;)
[21:01] <greenchris_> yes...
[21:06] <Nexus7Guy> Yo!
[21:07] <Nexus7Guy> Can somoene help me with a user issue I have on my Ubuntu installation?
[21:07] <Nexus7Guy> Running on Nexus 7
[21:08] <Nexus7Guy> :/
[21:09] <belak> Nexus7Guy: well, it's almost impossible to help if you don't mention what the problem is
[21:09] <belak> ;)
[21:09] <Nexus7Guy> k. Well I have downloaded the preinstall image and now I cant login to root
[21:09] <Nexus7Guy> The only username thats avail at the login screen is Guest
[21:09] <Nexus7Guy> I cant execute any sudo commands under Guest to do anything about it
[21:10] <Nexus7Guy> I have tried logging in on thelogin screen to root with the password ubuntu but it just says authentication failed
[21:10] <Nexus7Guy> Any ideas on what I should do? :(
[21:11] <belak> Nexus7Guy: can you run sudo with the password ubuntu?
[21:12] <Nexus7Guy> Nope
[21:12] <Nexus7Guy> Because thers only the guest account which denys me access with root alltogether
[21:12] <belak> Well, that's my only idea... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/UsingTheDevice#sudo_password
[21:12] <Nexus7Guy> That wont work :( darn
[21:13] <belak> iirc there should have been a user named ubuntu, but it's been a while since I've tried...
[21:14] <Nexus7Guy> Hmm
[21:14] <Nexus7Guy> I have tried logging into username Ubuntu
[21:14] <Nexus7Guy> but I havent trie dmultiple passwords
[21:15] <belak> I may download it and try... so I can let you know what I run into
[21:15] <Nexus7Guy> Sweet!
[21:16] <Nexus7Guy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current
[21:16] <Nexus7Guy> Got it from there :/
[21:16] <Nexus7Guy> No idea why I cant just login
[21:17] <Jonathan_R> i had to login as root
[21:17] <Jonathan_R> add the usergroup and member that was supposed to be created on install
[21:17] <Jonathan_R> then login as user
[21:18] <Nexus7Guy> Sadly I cant login to root :(
[21:18] <Nexus7Guy> Tried the password ubuntu but it just says no
[21:18] <Nexus7Guy> "/
[21:18] <Jonathan_R> can you get to termal?
[21:18] <Jonathan_R> sudo su -
[21:19] <Nexus7Guy> Yeah I can get to terminal but it denies me acess to sudo
[21:19]  * Jonathan_R doesnt like sudo
[21:19] <Nexus7Guy> ANd I have tried su and that just asks for password so I put in ubuntu ansd still no
[21:19] <Nexus7Guy> xD
[21:19] <k1l> dont use sudo su -. use sudo -i
[21:20] <Jonathan_R> i prefer su to sudo
[21:20] <Nexus7Guy> It says unable to change sudoers gid: Operation not permitted
[21:20] <k1l> Jonathan_R: its not the ubuntu way
[21:21] <Jonathan_R> what about getting to root via grub
[21:21] <Nexus7Guy> Not sure how I would go about editing a premade .img file
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> k1l, no, i suppose its not, but i never liked sudo
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> you dont Nexus7Guy
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> boot like normal
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> on grub i think its option 1
[21:22] <Nexus7Guy> Ahh yeah, but Im using multirom, as far as I know theres no Grub acess
[21:23] <Nexus7Guy> Multirom boots directly into the image
[21:23] <Jonathan_R> you should still see grub
[21:24] <Jonathan_R> if yes, then in the grub menu i think its 1
[21:24] <Jonathan_R> for single user
[21:24] <Nexus7Guy> Yeah but sadly I dont see grub :( I didnt even know Grub was compiled for ARM
[21:25] <Jonathan_R> it can be
[21:25] <Nexus7Guy> ah ok. Sadly I dont see any grub at a;l
[21:25] <Jonathan_R> wether thats the case here or not i dont know
[21:26] <Jonathan_R> check the package list or manifest list
[21:26] <Nexus7Guy> Sorry to be noobish but how would I do that?
[21:27] <k1l> Nexus7Guy: i dont think that works just with the image. there was a install application from ubuntu which deleted the whole nexus
[21:27] <Jonathan_R> the same sight you got the download from
[21:27] <Nexus7Guy> ah I see
[21:28] <k1l> Nexus7Guy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[21:29] <Jonathan_R> i have an exopc that had win7 on it but now has opensuse, getting ready for some version of ubuntu
[21:29] <Demestor> When can we expect a Ubuntu version for the x86 Motorola Razr i
[21:29] <Jonathan_R> just doin my homework first
[21:30] <k1l> Demestor: noone knows when
[21:30] <k1l> or even if
[21:31] <Demestor> Thx .. hopefully as explained on the Ubuntu Homepage they think about ..
[21:31] <Jonathan_R> Demestor, i can tell you this
[21:31] <k1l> Demestor: the razr i got very different hardware. dont know if this will be a target
[21:32] <Jonathan_R> ubuntu is the only distro doing this other than open-sl
[21:32] <Demestor> i know .. the x86 CPU was a reason for me to choose it
[21:32] <Jonathan_R> and ubuntu is leading the way
[21:33] <Jonathan_R> open-slx is still on plasma active 2
[21:34] <Jonathan_R> wb thebishop
[21:35] <thebishop> ????
[21:35] <Demestor> Ok another question.. like seen in the youtube videos it seems there is a running version of a mobile Ubuntu out yet. Anyone have an image of this?
[21:36] <GuidoPallemans> tomorrow afternoon european time it's downloadable
[21:36] <k1l> Demestor: yes the devs got a runnning image
[21:36] <GuidoPallemans> a dev image though
[21:36] <GuidoPallemans> does anybody know how to install it on a VM?
[21:36] <k1l> Demestor: it is to be released tomorrow. but be told that this is a dev image and not ready to use for the masses
[21:37] <Demestor> thx.. so i patiently wait
[21:37] <Demestor> see ya all
[21:38] <Jonathan_R> k1l, that would be what i would want then
[22:52] <doomlord> hmm do i get n7 or n10 or n4
[22:53] <k1l> get all of them :)
[23:15] <tgm4883> Is there hardware acceleration on the nexus tablets with Ubuntu yet?