[00:19] if you want a hint on pre-installed software, I'd go here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs and look under "Default applications" [00:19] :) [00:19] but as anything #tablet or #phone, it's not set in stone until release :) [00:19] or even OEM-release ;) [00:54] whats the status of ubuntu for tablets , i've seen somethign about ubuntu running on an n7.. [00:54] are there many tweaks for touch input.. i think i saw 3-finger drag for window movement ... i wondered if it would get 4 finger gestures for accessing desktops (triggering expo zoom-out) [00:57] thursday [00:57] release is on thursday :) [01:00] bkc_: I'm sure gecko can run on ARM -- consider FirefoxOS (or whatever it's been branded as these days :-) [01:01] yes, I remembered that juuust as I hit enter :P [01:01] gotta run [01:01] fun chatting w/y'all... [01:07] oh. wow. press release [01:07] available for N10. i need one! [01:16] so lets get this straight - an N10 with ubuntu tablet and external keyboard becomes a true gnu-linux desktop machine? running gcc toolchain etc? [01:16] perhaps [01:17] nobody (except for canonical and the dev-team) knows what the phone/tablet version will include/have :) [01:19] i'm debating an n10 purchase - the hardware is nice- but if you can turn the thing into a'true' computer then i'll stop dithering and get one [01:19] there's always ubuntu-arm if all else fails :) [01:19] well, you can install and use GCC & co on a N900 or N9 [01:20] the video is encouraging. thats definitely how things shuld work [01:20] so why not on an Ubuntu running N10 [01:20] that reminds me how I used an Ubunctu chroot running under WebOS on HP Touchpad [01:21] to compile Qt Components [01:21] ubuntu-arm runs on n7.. anything else? [01:21] ...while sitting in a restaurant eating toasts :) [01:21] doomlord: nobody knows :) [01:21] i have seen viids on n7 [01:21] n7 and n10 is basically the same device but with a larger screen... just like iPhone vs iPad :) [01:21] n10 is diffferent chipset i think [01:22] tegra3 vs otherr [01:22] n7 is tegra3 [01:22] n10 is definitely not [01:23] wow i want to throw my ipad out of the window now [01:24] huuh, N10 and N7 are different vendors too o.O [01:24] right asus/samsung [01:25] TIL :D [01:25] i wondered how far people could get adapting desktop apps to work on a touchscreen... i know it isn't ideal but you can see various things moving toward taller buttons [01:26] and i always thought the 'expo/scale' concept would work really well on a touchscreen for task switching [01:26] imagine pinch gestures for that [01:27] I'm excited for docking the phone into a tablet shell [01:27] hope to see laptop shells to [01:27] i have an urge to join #iphone and ask if you can install ubuntu there [01:27] DOET! :D [01:27] I'll join in ^.^ [01:28] ok im there [01:28] I have an iPhone 5, you cannot install it doom lord sorry to rain on your parade [01:28] but you can on an iPhone 2G :) [01:28] and 3G iirc [01:28] damn i'm blocked already there lol [01:28] forgot about that [01:29] http://www.idroidproject.org/ [01:29] blocked? :P [01:29] how'd'ya do that? :P [01:29] yeah i aasked some other questions they didnt like i think [01:29] apple fags ^.^ [01:29] well not so much the questions just my persistent nature [01:29] some people can't handle the truth i guess [01:31] lol, well, there's #idroid-dev too :) [02:08] anyone here familiar with ubuntu arm then? :) [02:20] doomlord: yes and no :) === mainerror|away is now known as mainerror === mainerror is now known as mainerror|away === mainerror|away is now known as mainerror === mainerror is now known as mainerror|away [02:35] been porting code to android... looking forward to installing ubuntu phone and ditching the stupid java stubs === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === mainerror|away is now known as mainerror === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [13:11] if swipe from the right brings in the sidestage how do you quickly move between two running apps like on the phone ? [13:26] Hello [13:26] I saw you are making an OS for Tablets [13:27] I have a Nexus 7 and was curious to what all you can do with Ubuntu on it [13:27] such as, does the GPS work? NFC? Front Camera? etc.. [13:29] hello? [14:01] try #ubuntu-phone, the tablet source will take some time === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [14:52] can't wait to install ubuntu tablet on my Nexus7, but the UI video makes me think it'll be a bit nicer on a 10" [14:53] I'm sure its responsive :) === francisco is now known as Guest92682 [15:07] the nexus7 is a pretty powerful little tablet, i'm more concerned with the UI design decisions. they look good, but maybe better suited for 10" i guess i'll find out tomorrow [15:14] When will the iamges/source be available btw? [15:14] I can't wait to isntall the thing on my nexus 7 [15:38] i read thursday on arstechnica [15:44] today PS4, tomorrow Ubuntu Tablet. nice week for tech [15:45] now if only Samsung would announce release details on the new Series 7 Chronos, my tech life for the next year would be complete [16:39] hey, any idea if the ability of Ubuntu to use C in development will make it easier to develop for iOS and Ubuntu mobile? [16:48] i thinkso [16:48] oh wait let me reithink the question.. [16:49] easier to develop FOR iOS, i initially speed read it as "easier to develop for than iOS" [16:49] i think it will be easier to do crossplatform between iOS & ubuntu-mobile since c,c++,objC are all availalbe on both,compared to the strange Java setup in android [16:50] and i think ubuntu-mobile will be easier to develop for as you have the full desktop on the device for debugging, compile-edit run cycle [16:56] which is likely to be more stable & optimized: ubuntu-tablet on N7 or ubuntu-tablet on N10 [17:13] doomlord, don't you think the toolkits are more of a portability issue for android/iOS than the language? [17:14] you could just as easily write Java on ubuntu+android and have portability problems with iOS [17:14] i'd guess that is more likely than people doing objective C on Ubuntu [17:14] yes you're right, but at least with the same language its easier to take a wine approach [17:15] perhaps community will get behind cocotron .. [17:17] i would personally like to see more increasingle touchfriendly desktop apps (think of machines like lenovo yoga, or transformer prime) [17:17] phone/tablet/desktop ideally is just the size of the window [17:19] mrtharepist: yes, UbuntuTablet/Phone will have Native Apps in C/C++ or with Ubuntu SDK (which is basically Qt with a custom theme) [17:21] mrtharepist: Android/iOS/Ubuntu are have three totally different sets of SDKs, APIs and Languages (Java, Obj-C, C/C++/JS) so the portability-issue will still be there unless you do WebApps :) [17:21] I hate it when I don't read the entire question ^.^ [17:22] need a nice crossplatform c++ gui built on pure opengl, then you could write once an run on ios,ndk ... but is thtat baasically what qt is? [17:23] actually there is one :) [17:23] It's called WebKit :D [17:24] bkc_: but sharing libraries is not really possible between android/ios. [17:25] all we really need is the ability to install ubuntu on more devices [17:25] if you write c++ functions, you can use them for both. [17:26] actually C-libs, C++ is a completely different mess in itself :) [17:26] yeah i like to say c/c++ [17:26] doomlord: no, we need apache on every phone ^.^ [17:26] doomlord: huge difference when it comes to libs :) [17:27] i'm not a c++ coder who hates c, i'm a c/c++ coder [17:27] c++ is c with some extentions, some of which are useful [17:28] yes, sort of... [17:28] yeah. c++ is just a ++ version of c. with a bunch of object oriented fun. [17:28] some of which is useful, some of which is irritating [17:28] I use C++ "exclusively" in that I almost always compile with g++/clang++ instead of gcc/clang :) [17:29] and I abuse classes/inheritance/templeting etc [17:30] yeah i use a C++ compiler, and can't go back due to use of many features ,but a lot of code i write would be slated by advocates of some sort of pure pure C++ [17:30] IDK I was hoping that there would be a way to streamline the development process so that it makes it easier to go cross platform. [17:30] i get the impression it might help [17:31] e.g., with ubuntu phone you might find more community interest in contributing to cocotron (wine like port of apple apis) [17:31] I have been learning obj-C because there is some serious money there. [17:32] going to android's SDK has been so horrible. I am hoping ubuntu's SDK is better. [17:33] well, you have a more flexible system under linux [17:33] i've only used NDK .. written a tiny amount of java to hand values across to me wrapper [17:34] not really serious use of android on my part [17:43] mrtharepist, you don't like android's SDK? i think it's great personally [17:44] Quick Q. With the images be up for Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 tomorrow or, just the Nexus 7? [17:44] the callbacks for app state changes are a little weird, but i think you can largely build an app without them and then add them after the app is mostly solid [17:45] Darkwing, Arstechnica reported images for both. that's the most 'official' info i've seen [17:45] Okay cool. [17:46] Now if I can just find out for the Galaxy Nexus, if its only maguro or if toro will be subborted. [18:08] Darkwing: only maguro from what I understand [18:09] That's what I thought too. [18:09] Thanks mhall119 [18:09] np [18:09] also, both Nexus 7 and 8 (also N4 and GNex) images should all be available tomorrow [18:10] Okay. any date on source? [18:10] source code [18:10] tomorrow [18:10] whoot [18:10] everything goes out tomorrow [18:10] that means tomorrow I start hacking for toro [18:10] \o/ [18:10] having a toro I want it... bad. [18:37] sweet, a channel for tablets :) [19:50] <- Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 ready to receive new OSs! [19:50] please release it soon, bought them just for that! [19:52] i have an exopc tablet and read about ubuntu for tablets. i currently am running opensuse but cant get multitouch to work. how would this be accomplished in ubuntu [19:59] Jonathan_R, not that I have any insider info here, but that's more of a general linux question than an Ubuntu question i think. [20:00] if the kernel supports your hardware, and there's a compatible xorg-input module, you should be good [20:00] you would think [20:00] well i wouldn't expect every random tablet to 'just' work with tomorrow's preview release [20:00] i worked on the plasma active team doing troubleshooting and documentatin [20:01] seems like there are a handful of (mostly Nexus) devices which have been tested heavily. haven't seen any confirmation of anything else [20:01] although there is a table of tablets on Ubuntu's radar: [20:01] but thus far have never gotten multitouch to work [20:01] the exopc is on the ubuntu tablet list [20:03] if i had a way to download the ubuntu tablet iso or something i could test it [20:03] or maybe theres a ppa to add to ubuntu [20:28] hello guys. can ask you few question about ubuntu for tablet? [20:29] just ask [20:29] faq though: http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq [20:30] if someone knows it you get the answer (maybe with some delay) [20:30] yes, the faq is quite handy [20:33] is it going to be possible install ubuntu to any tablet which can run android? [20:34] Any idea when the tablet release will be out? [20:35] I noticed that there's supposed to be a tablet dev preview relatively soon... [20:36] someone mentioned the code comes tomorrow with the phone code release. but im not sure if that is officially confirmed [20:37] jono just confirmed that at the ubuntuonair hangout [20:37] from ubuntu web site: "The system code for phones and tablets will be published on Feb 21st under the normal Ubuntu process" [20:37] "normal ubuntu process"? [20:38] the code should be published in launchpad [20:39] thx, netcurli [20:42] at what time of day? [20:42] just before midnight form the next day [20:44] k1l :( [20:51] Will just the code be released that day, or will a binary release be done as well? [20:55] there should be also images for the nexus phones/tablets tomorrow [20:57] and jono said, we could expect the dev release tomorrow afternoon european time [20:57] will a "platform builder" be available tomorrow ? [20:57] or toolchain or such [20:57] Score. I'm looking forward to playing with it on my N7 [20:57] First phone platform I'm really interested in [20:58] Well, mobile platform [20:58] why can't they release it now :( [20:58] want to install it on my n4 and n7 [20:58] lol [20:58] :D [20:59] the first mobile platform i like more than android [21:00] greenchris_: well, it still remains to be seen... [21:00] ;) [21:01] yes... [21:06] Yo! [21:07] Can somoene help me with a user issue I have on my Ubuntu installation? [21:07] Running on Nexus 7 [21:08] :/ [21:09] Nexus7Guy: well, it's almost impossible to help if you don't mention what the problem is [21:09] ;) [21:09] k. Well I have downloaded the preinstall image and now I cant login to root [21:09] The only username thats avail at the login screen is Guest [21:09] I cant execute any sudo commands under Guest to do anything about it [21:10] I have tried logging in on thelogin screen to root with the password ubuntu but it just says authentication failed [21:10] Any ideas on what I should do? :( [21:11] Nexus7Guy: can you run sudo with the password ubuntu? [21:12] Nope [21:12] Because thers only the guest account which denys me access with root alltogether [21:12] Well, that's my only idea... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/UsingTheDevice#sudo_password [21:12] That wont work :( darn [21:13] iirc there should have been a user named ubuntu, but it's been a while since I've tried... [21:14] Hmm [21:14] I have tried logging into username Ubuntu [21:14] but I havent trie dmultiple passwords [21:15] I may download it and try... so I can let you know what I run into [21:15] Sweet! [21:16] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current [21:16] Got it from there :/ [21:16] No idea why I cant just login [21:17] i had to login as root [21:17] add the usergroup and member that was supposed to be created on install [21:17] then login as user [21:18] Sadly I cant login to root :( [21:18] Tried the password ubuntu but it just says no [21:18] "/ [21:18] can you get to termal? [21:18] sudo su - [21:19] Yeah I can get to terminal but it denies me acess to sudo [21:19] * Jonathan_R doesnt like sudo [21:19] ANd I have tried su and that just asks for password so I put in ubuntu ansd still no [21:19] xD [21:19] dont use sudo su -. use sudo -i [21:20] i prefer su to sudo [21:20] It says unable to change sudoers gid: Operation not permitted [21:20] Jonathan_R: its not the ubuntu way [21:21] what about getting to root via grub [21:21] Not sure how I would go about editing a premade .img file [21:22] k1l, no, i suppose its not, but i never liked sudo [21:22] you dont Nexus7Guy [21:22] boot like normal [21:22] on grub i think its option 1 [21:22] Ahh yeah, but Im using multirom, as far as I know theres no Grub acess [21:23] Multirom boots directly into the image === francisco is now known as Guest48228 [21:23] you should still see grub [21:24] if yes, then in the grub menu i think its 1 [21:24] for single user [21:24] Yeah but sadly I dont see grub :( I didnt even know Grub was compiled for ARM [21:25] it can be [21:25] ah ok. Sadly I dont see any grub at a;l [21:25] wether thats the case here or not i dont know [21:26] check the package list or manifest list [21:26] Sorry to be noobish but how would I do that? [21:27] Nexus7Guy: i dont think that works just with the image. there was a install application from ubuntu which deleted the whole nexus [21:27] the same sight you got the download from [21:27] ah I see [21:28] Nexus7Guy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation [21:29] i have an exopc that had win7 on it but now has opensuse, getting ready for some version of ubuntu [21:29] When can we expect a Ubuntu version for the x86 Motorola Razr i [21:29] just doin my homework first [21:30] Demestor: noone knows when [21:30] or even if [21:31] Thx .. hopefully as explained on the Ubuntu Homepage they think about .. [21:31] Demestor, i can tell you this [21:31] Demestor: the razr i got very different hardware. dont know if this will be a target [21:32] ubuntu is the only distro doing this other than open-sl [21:32] i know .. the x86 CPU was a reason for me to choose it [21:32] and ubuntu is leading the way [21:33] open-slx is still on plasma active 2 [21:34] wb thebishop [21:35] ???? [21:35] Ok another question.. like seen in the youtube videos it seems there is a running version of a mobile Ubuntu out yet. Anyone have an image of this? [21:36] tomorrow afternoon european time it's downloadable [21:36] Demestor: yes the devs got a runnning image [21:36] a dev image though [21:36] does anybody know how to install it on a VM? [21:36] Demestor: it is to be released tomorrow. but be told that this is a dev image and not ready to use for the masses [21:37] thx.. so i patiently wait [21:37] see ya all [21:38] k1l, that would be what i would want then [22:52] hmm do i get n7 or n10 or n4 [22:53] get all of them :) [23:15] Is there hardware acceleration on the nexus tablets with Ubuntu yet?