[00:02] <jrwren> greg-g: portland is too big
[00:02] <jrwren> don't go to portland. aa loves U
[00:02] <greg-g> :)
[00:02] <greg-g> I don't think portland is an option
[00:02] <greg-g> somewhere we could buy land, like a decent amount
[00:03] <jrwren> oh a farm! awesome.
[00:04] <jrwren> yeah, farm land around AA is not cheap :(
[00:05] <greg-g> yeah, apparently MI farmland has been going up in the last few years :/
[00:08] <greg-g> rick_h_: still an awesome user, right? mind sharing your config (again). I have an older one, just want to make sure I get the lastest rick_h_ version :)
[00:08] <greg-g> I'm going to use this new laptop with Ubuntu on it as my queue to switch over
[00:10] <brousch> My friend bought a horse farm near that D
[00:11] <jrwren> i was hoping to see a dotfiles, but i don't. https://github.com/mitechie?tab=repositories
[00:49] <slestak> sup guys
[00:51] <rick_h_droid> greg-g sure in a bit. Though it's probably the same. my awesome config is one I don't tweak much.
[00:52] <rick_h_droid> jrwren yea too much work making sure stuff is sanitized so no full dot files repo. though there is vim and some zshrc in there
[00:52] <rick_h_droid> slestak howdy
[00:53] <slestak> i asked over in #ubuntu, not getting any love.  did the service name for smaba change in upstart?
[00:53] <slestak> trying to restart samba, and sudo service smbd restart cannot find smbd
[00:53] <slestak> i know samba is installed, smbtree gives me output
[00:54] <rick_h_droid> hmm tab complete and look
[00:55] <rick_h_droid> can also look in the upstart dir. /etc/init? somewhere in there
[00:55] <slestak> lemme take a look, i thought upstart moved stuff out of init.d so i didnt trust that
[00:56] <rick_h_droid> not init.d but init or something in there.
[00:57] <slestak> hrm, im sorry.  i did _not_ have it installed.  assumption is a terrible thing
[00:57] <rick_h_droid> doh
[00:58] <slestak> i thought since i had an /etc/samba/smb.conf that i surely had samba installed
[01:03] <jrwren> slestak: smbd and nmbd
[01:05] <greg-g> rick_h_droid: gotcha, thanks, I'll just do some testing tomorrow/later this week (ramping up is *hard*) ;)
[01:05] <rick_h_droid> greg-g yea but good time to do it
[01:06]  * greg-g nods
[01:06] <greg-g> especially since I can't stand Unity, and GNOME Shell isn't well supported :)
[01:58] <snap-l> Evening
[01:58] <snap-l> Having fun editing an interview together
[01:58] <slestak_> hiya
[02:00] <snap-l> Hello
[02:00] <jrwren> ?
[02:01] <slestak_> i was just responding to snap-l's "evening"
[03:15] <jrwren> who has two thumbs and a no questions asked ubuntu iso that will completely wipe a server and put ubuntu on it just by booting the cd/usb?
[03:16] <snap-l> nice
[03:16] <jrwren> entire install and first boot to login prompt in 3:30
[03:16] <jrwren> that minutes and seconds, not hours and minutes :)
[03:19] <_stink_> hah
[03:19] <snap-l> I thought it was bushels and hectares
[03:19] <jrwren> its fast when its all SSD and a VM
[03:19] <jrwren> could be stone/lb
[12:23] <shakes808> Good morning all
[12:25] <rick_h_> party
[13:32] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2249/detail/
[13:33] <rick_h_> coolio
[13:34] <rick_h_> kind of cool Glass video put together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v1uyQZNg2vE
[13:34] <snap-l> If anyone wants to schedule up a hangouot for the GJ, please feel free to add an event, or if you can't add an event, please let me know and I'll add it for you.
[13:54] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/18ttyq/i_want_to_watch_porn_but_i_cant_get_alsa_to_only/
[14:49] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gl1_FdmJZ-M# <- Something to consider for your newfound front-end designs
[14:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[14:55] <Blazeix> wait a second, this has nothing to do with zerg. how disappointing
[14:55] <snap-l> Even more disappointing is I think they're serious
[15:10] <snap-l> The Oakland mirror is severely behind
[15:11] <snap-l> My laptop was using that server. i just switched to the US server, and I have 625MB of files to download
[15:25] <rick_h_> snap-l: lol
[15:26] <rick_h_> man I can't finish that video
[15:31] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gl1_FdmJZ-M#
[15:31] <snap-l> Bah,
[15:31] <snap-l> https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/oracle_jdk_7u15_and_6u41 and https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/java_6_eol_h_h
[15:31] <snap-l> Apparently Java BSE (Broken Sandbox Edition) is the only supported version
[15:31] <brousch> Are you kidding me? 13 came out like 2 weeks ago and I never saw 14
[15:32] <snap-l> Java is fucked, m'kay?
[15:32] <snap-l> I don't know what they did to Java 7, but apparently the sandbox is now a colander.
[16:08] <snap-l> Gr, upgrade borked the OS
[16:09] <snap-l> UEFI == U Expect Failure Installing
[16:11] <brousch> bork bork bork
[17:55] <jrwren> how do you guys work at canonical?
[17:55] <jrwren> getting 503's here and slow response: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/usb-creator/raring/files/head:/usbcreator/backends/
[17:58] <brousch> jrwren: They use the private portal, of course
[17:59] <greg-g> they all have a local copy of LP running on their laptops
[18:00] <greg-g> it's the hidden secret that LP *actually* federates
[18:01] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, sometimes faster to bzr branch than to browse. loggerhead sucks
[18:14] <snap-l> loggerhead was great for showing branch differences on small code differences
[18:14] <snap-l> I couldn't fathom it actually doing large changes.
[18:18] <rick_h_> ok, everyone must go watch the daily show from yesterday. This spot on the russia dash cams is cracking me up
[18:18] <rick_h_> OMG that was just great
[18:19] <jrwren> i just wish browsing with loggerhead was as fast as github
[18:19] <rick_h_> *just* wish :P
[18:20] <brousch> I gotta say I'm a little disappointed that rick_h_ hasn't converted Canonical to git yet
[18:20] <jrwren> +1
[18:20] <rick_h_> because I'm a loser, get over it
[18:20] <jrwren> that is one of the last words i'd use to describe you
[18:21] <brousch> Maybe if you spent less time working wood and more time pimping git, it would be done by now
[18:21] <rick_h_> yea, priorities...I suck :P
[18:23] <snap-l> There are only so many rocks to push up the hill
[18:24]  * snap-l will now call rick_h_ Sisyphus. ;)
[18:25] <snap-l> without the deceit bit
[18:26] <rick_h_> " He also killed travellers and guests" so who's coming over for my birthday? hah!
[18:26] <snap-l> heh
[18:26] <snap-l> "come to my woodshop"
[18:26] <snap-l> "... and over there is chippy"
[18:27] <snap-l> "chippy hates bad people"
[18:28] <snap-l> "he eats bad people"
[18:29] <rick_h_> I've been reading too much WoT lately. All I can think is that the Aiel would love this idea of a boulder that can never be pushed to the top.
[18:29] <rick_h_> and waldo's not here to appreciate it damn
[19:23] <jrwren> i'm adding an answer to this which is absolutely INSANE!  http://askubuntu.com/questions/21303/create-usb-installer-from-the-command-line
[19:24] <jrwren> where WoT is Wheel of Time ?
[19:33] <jrwren> whose got two thumbs and just wrote usb-creator-cli in an hour?
[19:36] <snap-l> Didin't know you had two thumbs
[19:36] <snap-l> s/two thumbs/only two thumbs/
[19:38] <jrwren> rick_h_: you know evan.da?
[19:38] <jrwren> bzr blame says he writes old style classes :p
[19:58] <jrwren> http://askubuntu.com/a/258954/1668   IM CRAZY!
[21:42] <Blazeix> in vim, does anybody know of a way that "4 Shift+V" in vim would visually select 16 lines?
[21:42] <Blazeix> i mean, it's not a valid command, normally, should just enter visual line mode
[21:43] <Blazeix> but on this machine "<N> Shift+V" is selecting 4N lines
[21:43] <Blazeix> can't figure out if there's some weird arcane vim setting i'm missing
[22:11] <snap-l> Damn machine keeps locking up for no reason.
[22:12] <snap-l> Moved my USB keyboard to PS/2 so homefully I can give it the vulcan nerve pinch to see if I can get it to tell me what the hell happened
[22:23] <widox> Blazeix: that's weird - is it always 16 lines?
[22:24] <widox> I just tried it, and any number goes the the EOF
[23:24] <greg-g> so, when's Ubuntu going to finally migrate to the better wiki engine? http://ryandlane.com/blog/2013/02/19/openstack-wiki-migration/
[23:24] <greg-g> jcastro, rick_h_ ^^^ ;)
[23:38] <jcastro> the will is there
[23:38] <jcastro> the time and resources, not so much
[23:44] <greg-g> good the will is there, cuz man, moinmoin is a pain
[23:44] <jcastro> I know dude
[23:45] <jcastro> It turns contributors away
[23:45] <jcastro> however
[23:45] <jcastro> As we start to dogfood on OpenStack ...
[23:45] <jcastro> moving to MW with our awesome MW charm on production
[23:45] <jcastro> would be an awesome win
[23:45] <jcastro> so I've just sent a mail to Robbie asking if I can investigate
[23:46] <greg-g> ahh, nice
[23:47] <jcastro> any idea the state of moin->MW tools?
[23:47] <greg-g> honest to god question, jcastro, juju for major scale sites (eg: 5th more visited in the world): inherently not a good idea, or not? I imagine there is so much custom stuff here at WMF that it wouldn't make sense in any real level deployment way, but, what do you think?
[23:47] <greg-g> jcastro: given Ryan Lane just migrated the OpenStack wiki to MW, I assume "usable"
[23:48]  * greg-g is forcing himself to ask the dumb sounding questions
[23:49] <jcastro> greg-g: we're redoing the charm based on the deployment recommendations from MWF
[23:49] <jcastro> so yeah, I do want to go there
[23:49] <jcastro> and I want to present this to MW at some point
[23:49] <greg-g> whoa, really?
[23:49] <jcastro> yeah dude!
[23:50] <jcastro> We're not making this tool for rick's blog, this is high end stuff yo
[23:50] <greg-g> so, uh... is this discussion happening somewhere I could follow along?
[23:50] <jcastro> just not right now. :)
[23:50] <jcastro> no
[23:50] <jcastro> I haven't approached anyone yet
[23:50]  * greg-g nods
[23:50] <jcastro> because the charm is not finished yet
[23:50] <jcastro> but marco is working on it
[23:50] <jcastro> we can do all sorts of shit with it though
[23:50] <jcastro> http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/mediawiki
[23:51] <jcastro> slave db's, memcached, etc.
[23:51] <jcastro> it's all there
[23:51] <jcastro> we just need to get it finished enough to be like "ok, now check it out and tell us what sucks"
[23:51] <jcastro> if I came to you too early it'd be like, "nice try castro, give me something real."
[23:51] <greg-g> :)
[23:51] <greg-g> yeah, so, did you see what my new role is?
[23:52] <greg-g> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html
[23:52] <jcastro> LOL
[23:52] <jcastro> so what you are saying is
[23:52] <jcastro> you're the guy to talk to anyway
[23:53] <greg-g> haha, not completely, but yeah, I'd love to be a noisy on the discussion
[23:54] <jcastro> yeah so tldr, the Go rewrite of juju is almost done, so give it maybe 6 months before seriously looking at it. Though the charm you can start to rip apart as soon as marco finishes it RSN.
[23:54] <greg-g> awesome
[23:54] <jcastro> we're dogfooding all this stuff anyway, but I'm not quite yet comfortable telling people to play with it yet.
[23:54] <jcastro> but afaik we have guys in Canonical with access to your openstack stuff anyway where they can test stuff
[23:54] <jcastro> so it's probably just a matter of getting the conversation going
[23:55] <jcastro> but man, I'm going to ask Ryan for all the migration details at ODS
[23:55] <jcastro> I would love to moin -> MW/OpenStack/Juju
[23:56] <jcastro> greg-g: are you coming to scale?
[23:56] <greg-g> no :(
[23:56] <greg-g> I probably won't be doing much travel initially
[23:56] <greg-g> shit... forgot to submit something... one sec...
[23:57] <greg-g> (re travel to a hackathon in Amsterdam)
[23:59] <greg-g> done
[23:59] <greg-g> and time to go home :)
[23:59]  * greg-g does the 8-4 shift, because of, you know, Rowan
[23:59] <greg-g> jcastro: but, there are WMF people going