[02:00] <^^chris> hello everyone
[02:00] <^^chris> is there anyone that could help me install xubuntu? I'm running into an odd issue
[02:00] <^^chris> Something I don't normally see when installing linux
[02:02] <holstein> ^^chris: share your issues, and maybe one of the volunteers can help
[02:03] <^^chris> When I go to install (either via cd/dvd or usb via unetbootin, it says 'secure boot not enabled', then just a black screen indefinitely. the 'secure boot not enabled' is common to most distros i install but the black screen is obviously not
[02:03] <^^chris> the machine I'm using is a Lenovo Ideapad U400
[02:03] <holstein> !uefi
[02:04] <holstein> ^^ looks like that is the issue, and it should be for all linux 's
[02:04] <^^chris> thank you, I'll go ahead and read that
[02:05] <sajan> How can I reverse the positions of the two default panels?  I want to move the panel at the top, with the open windows and application menu to the bottom and the launcher dock from the bottom to the top.  I can't seem to find a way to do that from the panel menu and preferences.
[02:07] <Cheri703> sajan: just drag them
[02:09] <sajan> Cheri703: Not to sound like an idiot, but do I need to start the drag from any particular place?  I assume I open the panel preferences, which outlines the panel in red, clicking and dragging doesn't seem to do anything.  Thanks.
[02:09] <Cheri703> ah, one sec
[02:10] <sajan> I unchecked 'Lock Panel' as well.
[02:10] <Cheri703> if you go into "panel preferences" you need to uncheck "lock panel" and little grab handles will show up
[02:10] <Cheri703> it'd be on one of the edges
[02:10] <Cheri703> like far right or left iirc
[02:10] <Cheri703> or both
[02:10] <sajan> Cheri703: Thanks!  I see it.
[02:10] <sajan> That's pretty well hidden, lol.
[02:10] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[02:12] <sajan> Wow, solid.  Thanks again.  I like it better this way as I don't have the panel and the title bar of the window taking up space at the top.
[02:12] <Cheri703> sure :)
[02:14] <^^chris> my laptop doesn't have UEFI options :/
[02:59] <df00z> Hi, in Xubuntu, what starts X if it's not xdm?
[03:00] <holstein> df00z: well, lets start at the beginning
[03:00] <holstein> you did an upgrade, and your booting to a black screen
[03:00] <df00z> Yes
[03:00] <holstein> i think that could be kernel upgrade related
[03:00] <holstein> i would try booting the last kernel that worked
[03:00] <df00z> But, my drivers are all up to date, and X starts when I start it manually?
[03:01] <df00z> plus - not quite sure how to start an old kernel
[03:01] <holstein> df00z: you choose it in grub
[03:01] <holstein> but, i didnt realize you could manually start X
[03:01] <df00z> im like not even seeing grub, just immediately a black screen
[03:01] <df00z> but i can change vts..hold on lemmie see
[03:02] <df00z> right.  dont see grub.  dont see a startup screen.  just a black screen.
[03:02] <holstein> then what? you tty? and you get in?
[03:02] <df00z> yup
[03:02] <holstein> interesting..
[03:02] <holstein> df00z: do you usually see grub?
[03:03] <df00z> I dont remember, honestly
[03:03] <df00z> ive never had to bother with it
[03:03] <holstein> you can try tapping shift at boot, while i search around a second
[03:03] <df00z> ah this is interesting
[03:03] <df00z> lightdm is dying, in dmesg
[03:03] <df00z> killed by the TERM signal
[03:03] <holstein> interesting... maybe just reinstall it
[03:03] <df00z> oh, so is plymoth-splash
[03:04] <df00z> reinstall ubuntu?  thats kind of crazy
[03:04] <holstein> df00z: reinstall lightdm
[03:04] <df00z> oh ill try
[03:05] <df00z> what the heck, i selected it, and its installing a ton of dependencies, not sure how these got uninstalled :\
[03:06] <df00z> when i did update it said it was fixing a bunch of "broken" packages and removing them
[03:06] <df00z> i didnt think anything of it was just letting it do it's thing
[03:06] <holstein> sudo apt-get update might help you see if you have errors as well
[03:07] <df00z> i thought something was kind of odd when i saw an update uninstalling cairo..i figured maybe it got merged into some other package
[03:07] <df00z> lol
[03:07] <df00z> im like uhh last i knew everything uses that as a backend to draw stuff now
[03:09] <df00z> ok, now it had no splash screen…but it started X and then died, it changed resolutions this time after rebooting..checking xorg logs and such
[03:10] <df00z> mtrr: no mtrr for b0000000,4000000 found after plymoth died
[03:10] <holstein> well, id say you are close to sorting it out
[03:11] <holstein> i would keep reinstalling things.. and try "fix broken packages" or sudo apt-get update and see if there are errors
[03:11] <df00z> apt-get update didnt find anything broken
[03:11] <holstein> well, something is wrong
[03:12] <holstein> if plymouth is complaining, id start there
[03:12] <df00z> can plymoth be turned off or nah?
[03:12] <df00z> I had something similar happen on another PC in the past
[03:12] <holstein> well, its all open, so sure
[03:16] <df00z> oh wow....
[03:17] <df00z> I set GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub
[03:17] <df00z> now my BIOS boot screen never goes away, but I can chvt and linux starts hahah
[03:17] <df00z> but on # 7 my bios screen is still there
[03:17] <df00z> thats insane ive never seen anything like this
[03:18] <df00z> its like the framebuffer is broken
[03:19] <zeroth_> firefox is running like crap for some odd  reason. Seamonkey, bout the same. Any ideas?
[03:21] <df00z> Other people report this too
[03:21] <df00z> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1070655
[03:21] <holstein> zeroth_: try removing the config, and elaborate about "crap"
[03:22] <holstein> df00z: i had an odd via chip that wouldnt show framebuffer
[03:22] <David-A> zeroth_: just to check, you are not low on ram or disk space?
[03:22] <holstein> it would just eventually shot a desktop
[03:25] <vl4kn0> Hi, where can I get the default xubuntu xfce terminal color palette?
[03:25] <df00z> holstein: one more question- is there a log anywhere of what packages are installed/uninstalled with apt?
[03:26] <df00z> like, I want to see what got uninstalled recently, found one more problem.  lightdm-gtk-greeter is uninstalled, but lightdm is set to use it
[03:26] <df00z> I'd like to comb through the log and reinstall stuff
[03:26] <df00z> it's just really bizzare :\
[03:28] <df00z> I give up…going to reinstall ubuntu
[03:28] <df00z> It booted, but its stopping\starting lightdm in a loop
[03:29] <df00z> this time ill just watch what happens when it updates, i guess
[03:29] <df00z> wasnt even like a distro update that caused this
[03:36] <zeroth_> sorry, took a minute..This is a fresh install. I just rebooted after the some system updates and seamonkey is running good. Firefox sucks..menus are slow, sluggish. and pages load slow. I'f seamonkey stays like it is now, It'll be sweet
[03:37] <df00z> what kind of system is this?  did you install video drivers
[03:38] <zeroth_> xps m140...no i've not messed with video. Do I need to?
[03:38] <df00z> probably - lets see what video card that has
[03:38] <zeroth_> integrated crap..
[03:39] <df00z> oh GMA 900?
[03:39] <df00z> i mean its old, but it should run fine out of box.
[03:39] <df00z> hm
[03:39] <zeroth_> display controller is intel 915gm/gms/910gml express graphics controller
[03:40] <df00z> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log it should say what driver its using, if its using like a fb or vesa driver something is wrong
[03:40] <df00z> if its the intel driver its fine
[03:40] <zeroth_> let me check
[03:40] <df00z> maybe turn off font smoothing if you can find the option somewhere
[03:42] <zeroth_> Loadmodule "intel" ...is that what i'm looking for?
[03:42] <zeroth_> intel_drv.so?
[03:43] <zeroth_> yes it's using the intel integrated graphics driver..I see it now
[03:48] <df00z> yeah so its prolly not a driver issue the
[03:48] <df00z> see if you can find a way to turn off find smoothing, and make sure like compiz\3d effects are turned off
[03:49] <zeroth_> i'll research that and find out. I need to learn anyway. Thanks for the advice
[09:46] <dorftrottel_> is anyone around who can fix links on xubuntu.org?
[09:47] <dorftrottel_> the links for the torrent files for 12.04 on http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ all point to old non existent files. (s/12.04.1/12.04.2/g)
[09:49] <dorftrottel_> already bugged the guys who provide hosting for xubuntu.org and the one who answered suggested, I should drop in here^^
[09:56]  * dorftrottel_ points knome to interesting text above
[10:29] <knome> dorftrottel_, updated. cheers!
[11:05] <Jutas> Hi. In GNOME Shell Remix there is 1360x768 display resolution option but in Xubuntu there is no. Which file makes this difference?
[11:30] <Xubuntu2> When is firefox 19 in the softwarecenter ?
[11:30] <Xubuntu2> how to upgrade ?
[11:32] <Frampis> hello there
[11:34] <Frampis> I just booted up a Live USB stick of Xubuntu on a computer that has Xubuntu installed and I would like to mount the filesystem
[11:34] <Frampis> but I don't know how :(
[11:36] <Xubuntu2> Frampis are you gona reinstall xubuntu ?
[11:36] <Frampis> no, I just need to recover a file from the filesystem
[11:36] <Frampis> of the already-installed copy of xubuntu on the computer
[11:37] <Xubuntu2> Sounds like a mess.. i will reinstall if i was you.
[11:37] <Frampis> uh-huh
[11:38] <Xubuntu2> Do you know when firefox 19 comes in the software center ?
[11:39] <Xubuntu2> The file you taliing about how it disaphere ? have you check the trash ?
[11:40] <Frampis> that is pretty much irrelevant
[11:41] <Frampis> what is relevant is how to mount the filesystem.
[11:41] <Xubuntu2> If it is there you can restore it.
[11:41] <Xubuntu2> I dont mess with my files. if i do i reinstall all.
[11:41] <Frampis> thank you for telling me what you would and would not do :)
[11:42] <Xubuntu2> Do you know how to install java ? I like to use java but it is to complicated i think.
[11:43] <Xubuntu2> yes  the easy way..
[11:44] <Xubuntu2> How do you install java do you know ?
[11:44] <Frampis> nope
[11:47] <baizon> i know
[11:47] <baizon> Xubuntu2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[11:49] <baizon> Xubuntu2: in the next hours (firefox 19 release)
[11:49] <baizon> Frampis: take a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[11:50] <Frampis> thanks
[11:56] <Xubuntu2> Who can install java this way ? not me.
[12:00] <baizon> Xubuntu2: ok sorry then
[13:04] <vl4kn0> Hi, can anyone please send me default xubuntu terminal color palette?
[13:06] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/TerminalThemeReview
[13:07] <vl4kn0> thanks
[15:20] <Zasek> Hi guys, so I bought a new flash drive (16 GB) and don't know what format should I use for it. Which one is the best for using it both in linux and windows?
[15:23] <torax> are you going to save files over 4GB in the drive?
[15:24] <Zasek> I'm not planning to now, but you never know. So lets say yes.
[15:24] <torax> well if you use fat32 it will work everywhere, but it does not support files over 4GB
[15:25] <Zasek> Ok. What's the other option for files over 4GB?
[15:25] <torax> you can also use ntfs, im not sure thou how good writing ntfs is in linux
[15:25] <torax> cause its proprietary and microsoft really hasnt released much info about it
[15:26] <torax> those are the two format that windows supports
[15:26] <TheSheep> Zasek: there is a windows driver for ext2
[15:26] <torax> oh, is it good?
[15:27] <Zasek> But is implemented? I need it to use it on more devices, like at school.
[15:27] <torax> thou you need to have it installed in every windows machine you want to use the usb drive in
[15:27] <TheSheep> torax: no idea
[15:28] <torax> I'd say go with fat32
[15:28] <Zasek> Ok, thanks for the help. :)
[15:29] <torax> It would be so much easier if windows just would support ext :P
[15:30] <torax> not like its ever going to happen
[15:34] <Zasek> :D
[16:16] <xubuntu815> Is there no java in the software center ? Do i have to install it manually ? I think it is to complicated.
[16:18] <bazhang> !java | xubuntu815 have a read
[16:22] <xubuntu815> I have an internal mic who dont works and 2 card readers (one card reader working). Is there a way to make this works ?
[16:44] <xubuntu815> Is rpm for xubuntu ?
[16:45] <knome> no
[17:04] <xubuntu815> the java stuff dont works.. the commands fail to run.. to hard to make this works.
[17:06] <torax> xubuntu815: what did you run, what was the error
[17:09] <andreas_> hello everyone
[17:09] <andreas_> new to xubuntu
[17:09] <andreas_> just installed it 12.10
[17:09] <andreas_> i have a bit of a problem thought
[17:09] <andreas_> can anyone help?
[17:09] <GridCube> !anyone
[17:10] <bazhang> ask a question
[17:11] <andreas_> error broken count >0
[17:11] <andreas_> unmet dependencies.....
[17:12] <GridCube> !details | andreas_
[17:12] <andreas_> just installed xubuntu tried to install updates this msg came out
[17:14] <andreas_> i just installed xubuntu 12.10 (looks awsome) . after restarting it, it said that i had to install some updates. while doing that, a msg came up saying that : Error: Broken count >0
[17:15] <andreas_> and somnething about unmet dependencies....
[17:15] <GridCube> weird
[17:15] <GridCube> please open a terminal and execute sudo apt-get update
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[17:16] <andreas_> andreas @ andreas-desktop  ~/Desktop
[17:16] <andreas_> └─ $ ▶
[17:16] <andreas_> this came upo
[17:16] <andreas_> came up
[17:16] <GridCube> !pastebin
[17:16] <GridCube> andreas_, close what ever program is doing updates or synaptic or the ubuntu software center
[17:16] <GridCube> something is locking the apt sources
[17:16] <GridCube> also use pastebin
[17:17] <andreas_> i have no programme running
[17:17] <andreas_> or at least it doesnt show
[17:17] <bazhang> use sudo
[17:18] <andreas_> cant remember the command to shut down installer.....
[17:18] <andreas_>  :(
[17:20] <andreas_> whats the command?
[17:23] <bazhang> !crosspost | andreas_
[17:25] <andreas_> sorry...
[17:27] <andreas_> wont do it again prommise
[17:28] <andreas_> but i dont think i have understood exactly what i should do.... an i am not too good with the whole linux thing i'm only just learning
[17:29] <knome> andreas_, sure, we all have to start somewhere
[17:29] <andreas_> started with ubuntu but my pc is too old for it lol anyhow i am running voyager 12.10 which based on xubuntu and its super
[17:29] <knome> andreas_, i just sent you a few links about the channel guidelines
[17:30] <knome> right. please note that voyager is not supported in this channel
[17:30] <andreas_> oh.... (feel stupid now....)
[17:31] <andreas_> it says its a xubuntu platform so i thought.... never mind :(
[17:31] <knome> yeah, but we can't be sure everything is as it should in voyager
[17:32] <knome> that's why we're also unable to support it
[17:32] <andreas_> i get it.
[17:35] <KeyboardNotFound> How to install libusb 0.1 ?
[17:35] <knome> !info libusb
[17:36] <KeyboardNotFound> :(
[17:36] <knome> !info libusb-dev
[17:36] <knome> that would be it
[17:39] <KeyboardNotFound> but i need libusb 0.1
[17:40] <bazhang> for what
[17:40] <KeyboardNotFound> for software who require libusb 0.1
[17:40] <bazhang> which is what
[17:41] <KeyboardNotFound> which*
[17:43] <knome> KeyboardNotFound, i believe that package installs it. did you try it?
[17:43] <KeyboardNotFound> knome: yes, but not installed :(
[17:44] <knome> KeyboardNotFound, maybe you need to refer to the software instructions on how to install it in ubuntu then
[17:45] <KeyboardNotFound> knome: i will ask in
[17:45] <KeyboardNotFound> #libusb
[17:45] <knome> !info libusb-0.1.4
[17:45] <knome> !info libusb-0.1-4
[17:45] <knome> that one...
[17:45] <knome> maybe helps
[18:15] <andreas_> ok i tried openning synaptic manager and it says : you have one broken package on your system! Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[18:16] <andreas_> whats the broken filter?
[18:16] <andreas_> (sorry i poped up like that i had a private tuition earlier and i had to go....)
[18:19] <andreas_> I fixed it!!!!!!!
[18:19] <andreas_> cheers lads!
[18:21] <xubuntu735> hi everybody
[18:22] <xubuntu735> are there anybody who can help me out with some boot optimisation issue?
[18:24] <Unit193> xubuntu735: What type?  Used bootchart?
[18:24] <xubuntu735> I have got a booting time which is considerably longer than reported values
[18:24] <xubuntu735> hi unit193
[18:24] <xubuntu735> I did actually install bootchart
[18:25] <xubuntu735> however I have no knowledge about how to interpret the chart
[18:25] <xubuntu735> would you be that kind to give me an advice?
[18:26] <xubuntu735> average booting is about 1minut
[18:26] <Unit193> How fast is your computer?
[18:26] <xubuntu735> intel  core 2duo
[18:27] <xubuntu735> acer aspire
[18:27] <xubuntu735> is about 3 yo
[18:27] <xubuntu735> (if this is helpful for you)
[18:28] <xubuntu735> 2.0 Ghz
[18:28] <xubuntu735> well 2.0 GHz
[18:30] <xubuntu735> i have bootchart to post if you are interested...
[18:42] <xubuntu735> anyone can give me an advice ?
[18:53] <RT_> Is xubuntu as secure as ubuntu?
[18:55] <koegs> RT_: xubuntu IS ubuntu, only with XFCE instead of Unity
[18:56] <RT_> I'm wondering if desktop environments differ in security
[18:57] <koegs> RT_: in a general manner yes, every piece of software has its own flaws
[18:57] <RT_> ok
[18:57] <g16> Nothing that the casual user should worry about though.
[18:58] <RT_> the ports are closed by default?
[18:59] <RT_> I guess I should find a best practices article
[18:59] <M8RT> hi all
[18:59] <RT_> hi M8RT
[18:59] <M8RT> hi RT_
[18:59] <Unit193> xubuntu735: Wouldn't hurt to take a look.
[19:00] <M8RT> guys i have a problem after the last kernel update for xubuntu, where can i get some help?
[19:01] <xubuntu735> ...not sure how to post it in the channel
[19:01] <torax> M8RT: this is xubuntu support channel
[19:02] <M8RT> thanks torax, i guess i'll just ask here
[19:02] <M8RT> i lost the window borders, window title bar, practically everything around the windows including the buttons
[19:02] <torax> sure, go ahead. Let see if we can help you
[19:03] <M8RT> i can not reset the theme at all, none of those settings are visible when i go into the settings manager, just blank page
[19:04] <M8RT> any ideas?
[19:09] <xubuntu735> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/alessandroaspire5735pre.png/
[19:10] <Unit193> xubuntu735: It appears that doesn't give a large image view, or I'm not checking it right.
[19:12] <Unit193> xubuntu735: You can also check the "Startup and sessions" in the settings manager and disable some things if you really don't need them.
[19:14] <xubuntu735> may be you can try the download
[19:17] <Unit193> Well, near the top, there is a task that is taking a while, what is that one?  (Tried it, still can't read the labels)
[19:18] <xubuntu735> ureadhead
[19:19] <xubuntu735> I just realised how bad is the resolution, sorry about that
[19:19] <xubuntu735> ureadahead
[19:20] <xubuntu735> http://i.imgur.com/shpyXWl.png
[19:21] <Unit193> Heh, well that's a needed one.  Thanks.
[19:21] <xubuntu735> unit193, try this link, so sorry for being that inexperienced
[19:23] <Unit193> For example, if you don't use bluetooth at all, you can disable that service and startup application.
[19:23] <xubuntu735> ok
[19:26] <Unit193> Sessions and Startup would be the place to look, and you'll want to remove bootchart now.  That doesn't look too out of the norm.
[19:26] <xubuntu735> ok then
[19:27] <xubuntu735> will do
[19:27] <xubuntu735> bluetooth is the main things to skip isn't it?
[19:28] <Unit193> If you don't use it, sure.
[19:28] <xubuntu735> never did
[19:29] <xubuntu735> i guess Iwould enable it back if required
[19:29] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:34] <xubuntu735> unit193 thanks so much
[19:35] <xubuntu735> kind of sorted now
[19:35] <Unit193> xubuntu735: Sure thing.  I'd personally be more worried about system slowness than booting speed, as I don't reboot as much.
[19:35] <xubuntu735> will see how it works now then I disable boot chart
[19:36] <xubuntu735> you are actually right
[19:36] <xubuntu735> I was concern about having done wrong in the installation
[19:37] <xubuntu735> not really worried about the waiting
[19:37] <xfce> any help why button "install" is not active anymore at ubuntu software center? 12.07 LTS
[19:37] <xfce> 12.04*
[19:38] <skegeek> Is it possible to chroot to Vista with Xubuntu running inside VM?
[19:39] <Unit193> xubuntu735: Just uninstalling will do.
[19:39] <xubuntu735> right! thanks again
[19:40] <Unit193> Sure thing!
[19:40] <Unit193> xfce: Any other software management package running?
[19:40] <xfce> synaptic but not at the same time
[19:41] <Unit193> skegeek: Chroot into Vista from something running in a VM?  Not really.
[19:41] <skegeek> Didn't think so.
[19:41] <skegeek> Thanks.
[19:41] <skegeek>  #virtualbox
[19:41] <bullgard4> I dist-upgraded form Ubuntu 10.04.4 to Xubuntu 12.04.2. The thunar package is installed. But I cannot find any Thunar menu item in the Xfce applications menu.  Where should I look for it?
[19:41] <bullgard4> s/form/from/
[19:42] <g16> skegeek: with VirtualBox, you can only if you set raw partition access, which you can find in the User Manual.
[19:43] <g16> (or if Vista is on a USB device, don't know if that is even possible)
[19:47] <g16> bullgard4: under Accessories >> File manager
[19:47] <g16> or exec this on the terminal: thunar &
[19:47] <bullgard4> g16: Ah, yes! --  Thank you.
[20:06] <X_x> cant access my Win8 partition. it claims windows is hibernated. i have disabled quickboot in win8, tried the mount read only otion, tried mount delete hiberfile option to no avail. any one with win8 experience??
[20:07] <xubuntu358> Is the IcedTea java ok to use on the bank ? how can i know it is safe ?
[20:08] <g16> X_z: just shutdown Windows.
[20:08] <X_x> java will never be safe. you have to decide how badly it is needed, does the risk outweigh the benefit?
[20:08] <X_x> g16, have you used win8?
[20:09] <g16> X_x, by mounting hibernated NTFS, you could lose some unsaved work. That's why you are disallowed to do that.
[20:09] <X_x> shutdown in win8 is hibernate. i have turn off the option but im still getting the error
[20:10] <xubuntu358> I dont use windows 8.
[20:10] <X_x> so far all the forum posts im seeing on this topic, the answer stems from people who dont use win8 and dont know this
[20:11] <g16> I have Win8, and shutting down Win8 is not hibernating.
[20:11] <g16> And never has been in other Win's.
[20:11] <xubuntu358> The java plugin works except i have to approve 2 or 3 times. but i can log into the bank so it is good.
[20:12] <X_x> take a look at your advanced power options, there is an option called "quick boot" does yours have this?
[20:12] <xubuntu358> The other java is little complictaed to install but will be best i think.
[20:13] <X_x> im running the MSDN version and it seems to be a lil different than retail
[20:15] <g16> ugh, looks like win8 shutdown is fake... Sorry X_x
[20:15] <g16> Did not know that, just learned
[20:15] <X_x> yeah...
[20:15] <X_x> just when i was starting to like win8
[21:42] <aicasn-V> is anyone here from Australia?
[21:47] <Pici> possibly...
[21:47] <Pici> !au
[21:48] <aicasn-V> tyvm
[21:51] <Pici> np
[23:09] <GreenNerd> Hi.
[23:14] <GreenNerd> I have current release of Ubuntu just installed on my Asus Eee PC Netbook.  I want XFCE desktop environment being the Netbook desktop is garbage.  I have sudo apt-get xfce4.  When I reboot, system is still using gnome Netbook (icons on left side of screen).  I despise this environment.  How do I make XFCE default environment?
[23:14] <GreenNerd> Help, please.
[23:15] <Myrtti> when you log in, you need to select xfce4 as the environment to log in to
[23:15] <Myrtti> after that it should be the default
[23:15] <GreenNerd> I do not have option that asks me to select xfce4
[23:16] <GreenNerd> I just ran apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[23:16] <GreenNerd> Hopefully this works.
[23:17] <David-A> GreenNerd: on the login screen in newer ubuntus, press the ubuntu icon near the user name, then a menu will appear where one can select a session, select xfce or xubuntu session
[23:17] <GreenNerd> I will try once this apt-get installer is done running for xubuntu-desktop
[23:17] <GreenNerd> I thought XFCE was a less intense environment to work from.
[23:17] <GreenNerd> Is xubuntu and xfce the same thing?
[23:18] <GreenNerd> I thought xubuntu was larger and more demanding.  I want something very lite that I can use on this netbook to help me brush back up on CLI and SSH.
[23:18] <David-A> GreenNerd: xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce, basically.
[23:18] <Myrtti> or ubuntu-minimal + xfce4
[23:19] <Myrtti> ie. the barebones of Ubuntu and xfce4 + some applications xubuntuites have decided go well with the whole experience
[23:19] <GreenNerd> I haven't used Ubuntu for years.  It's crazy how easily I forget the simplest of things...
[23:19] <GreenNerd> XFCE is way better than Gnome, in my opinion.
[23:19] <David-A> GreenNerd: xubuntu is normally considered less demanding on the hardware than ubuntu, but not as little as Lubuntu.
[23:19] <GreenNerd> It is so minimal, it is crazy.  I have no idea why people need more than that.
[23:20] <GreenNerd> When I was running XFCE in the past, it was using just over 128 MB of RAM.
[23:21] <David-A> GreenNerd: 128MB, that was before launching firefox if I recall correctly...
[23:21] <GreenNerd> Not sure.  Ive been using Chrome for a long time, and I'm going back to Firefox now that I realize how much "big brother" politics surround Google.
[23:22] <ochosi> you can also use chromium
[23:23] <GreenNerd> I'm going to stick with FF on this new setup I'm building.
[23:23] <David-A> GreenNerd: chromium is chrome minus google
[23:24] <GreenNerd> Oh?
[23:24] <GreenNerd> Looks like it's Google Chrome
[23:24] <GreenNerd> I thought it was one in the same, no