[00:38] <shadeslayer> I thought I'd give PIM another shot, kontact now unusable for about 20 minutes
[00:38] <shadeslayer> it's syncing my email :P
[07:41] <jussi> shadeslayer: I use Kontact everyday - once the initial synce is done, its not too bad actually
[07:41] <shadeslayer> yeah
[07:41] <shadeslayer> it settled down
[07:42] <shadeslayer> only took 40 minutes ^_^
[07:42] <shadeslayer> jussi: do you use email alias's?
[07:42] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, its pretty slow to get up and running, but it is actually pretty nice to use after that
[07:42] <jussi> shadeslayer: email aliases like?
[07:42] <shadeslayer> well
[07:42] <shadeslayer> rohangarg AT kubuntu dot org / rohan AT kde dot org
[07:42] <shadeslayer> etc etc
[07:43] <jussi> oh, not in contact
[07:43] <jussi> but
[07:43] <jussi> just set up a new identity for each iirc
[07:43] <jussi> kontact even
[07:43] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's what works
[07:43] <shadeslayer> but it has a alias field
[07:43] <shadeslayer> what's that for then :/
[07:44] <jussi> shadeslayer: -> #kontact :D
[07:44] <shadeslayer> yeah
[07:44] <shadeslayer> will ask when I'm in a sane state of mind
[07:45] <shadeslayer> I've been up for 18 hours now, and have to get through another 8 hours
[07:45] <shadeslayer> more caffeine!
[07:56] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1131070] Wrong font for slovak numbers. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131070 (by Peter Adamka)
[08:19] <ronnoc> alias is for a different suffix with the same domain :)
[08:20] <ronnoc> so you can have blah@kde.org as a registered name but also use blue@kde.org even if you don't have that name officially. I think anyway.
[08:20] <shadeslayer> I see
[08:21] <ronnoc> i just learned that because my ISP offers that as well
[08:21] <ronnoc> nice for small comapines because you can have sales@xxxx.com and support@xxx.com etc etc even though you''re only one person and only actually own james@xxx.com 
[08:21] <shadeslayer> :D
[08:21] <shadeslayer> haha
[08:22] <ronnoc> :)
[08:42] <jussi> except that ronnoc cant count x's :P
[08:54] <ronnoc> jussi: touche
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Guys, did the -0ubuntu4 version of calligra work (finally) ?
[09:55] <smartboyhw> Great god it works:)
[09:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yay :)
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, WT?
[09:59] <smartboyhw> calligrawords: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeinit4_calligrawords.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:59] <smartboyhw> This calligra-libs is killing EVERYBODY
[09:59] <smartboyhw> All the libkdeinit.so aren't loaded....
[10:00]  * smartboyhw wonders isn't it in debian/not-installed for good....
[10:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I just simply can't launch any calligra app
[10:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ug
[10:02] <Riddell> I get the same
[10:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm....
[10:02]  * smartboyhw prepares for -0ubuntu5 ....
[10:06] <yofel__> smartboyhw: I did not testbuild calligra here, but I notice that you dropped all libkdeinit files from the packaging
[10:09] <shadeslayer> mmm fun, I just reduced the download time for my ISO build but 10-15 minutes by using a mirror instead of archive.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <shadeslayer> s/but/by/
[10:09] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "mmm fun, I just reduced the download time for my ISO build by 10-15 minutes by using a mirror instead of archive.ubuntu.com"
[10:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: they must have been mistakenly put in not-installed
[10:11] <Riddell> those files get moved by dh_movelibkdeinit so maybe someone got confused along the way
[10:11] <Riddell> but they do need to be installed
[10:11] <yofel__> more like list-missing can't handle dh_movelibkdeinit
[10:12] <yofel__> so they show up in --list-missing even if they're shipped
[10:12] <Riddell> a fair excuse :)
[10:13] <yofel__> yeah, it's not obvious unless someone tells you about it
[10:13] <yofel__> murthy: FYI ^
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn it
[10:16] <smartboyhw> OK
[10:16] <Riddell> I should have caught that before upload, you may blame me
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no need to blame you blame me
[10:17] <yofel__> uhm, I reviewed it too you make that a 3-person failure ^^
[10:17] <yofel__> s/you/so/
[10:17] <kubotu> yofel__ meant: "uhm, I reviewed it too so make that a 3-person failure ^^"
[10:17] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel__ teach me something ....
 Yes, the handshake everyone learns when you become a member
 me and elfy both know it
 better luck next time then smartboyhw
[10:20] <smartboyhw> What's that!?
[10:21] <Riddell> goes HELO
[10:22] <Riddell> MAIL From:<sabdfl>
[10:22] <Riddell> RCPT To:<smartboyhw>
[10:22] <Riddell> DATA
[10:22] <Riddell> welcome in!
[10:22] <Riddell> .
[10:22] <smartboyhw> !?
[10:24] <yofel__> lol :D
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[10:25] <Riddell> actually it's the sound a modem makes when it dials up your ISP, you're too young to remember the bing boing of modem handshakes
[10:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh modems:P
[10:29] <shadeslayer> lul : http://i.imgur.com/fmKpz4u.png : that estimate is just plain wrong xD
[10:30]  * shadeslayer remembers the bing bog of modem handshakes
[10:31] <shadeslayer> it used to be so much fun
[10:31] <shadeslayer> and now all the modems have been silenced :(
[10:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel__ https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/calligra-2.6.1-0ubuntu5-fix/+merge/149789
[10:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: plasma-mobile is still stuck btw
[10:37] <shadeslayer> needs bigger hammer
[10:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why the updated control file?
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, to make sure everything at least works
[10:45]  * smartboyhw doesn't want any stupid things again
[10:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: dunno about "Removed the libkdeinit4_*.so files from debian/not-installed" as yofel__ says they're still listed in --not-installed so maybe just add a clearer comment to that file
[10:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok
[10:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no files are being moved here
[10:45] <Riddell> so no breaks/replaces needed
[10:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[10:46]  * Riddell publishes http://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/20/morning-windows-8
[10:46] <Riddell> hmm no
[10:47] <Riddell> newer one http://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/21/sony-pirates-kde-artwork
[10:48] <Riddell> tsk, firefox keeps freezing, we should really swap to a better default browser</irony>
[10:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[10:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm thinking we should upload qtwebkit 2.3 to the archive
[10:50] <Riddell> it's working better than firefox for me today
[10:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:50] <shadeslayer> do eet :0
[10:50] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:50] <shadeslayer> IMHO the fonts look screwed, too bold for my taste
[10:51] <Riddell> in qtwebkit?  I've not noticed any difference
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, branch updated
[10:51] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:52] <afiestas> Riddell: sony has a page full of opensrc stuff
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw HTML5 doesn't work :(
[10:52] <afiestas> full of all the kernels they usem modified libraries etc, maybe they put something there
[10:52] <Riddell> afiestas: I feel a new business model for KDE e.v. here
[10:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: in qtwebkit?  at least <audio> tag works http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/html5.html
[10:53] <shadeslayer> yus
[10:53] <shadeslayer> youtube doesn't
[10:54] <Riddell> canvas works http://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_canvas_empty
[10:54]  * Riddell watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyfbSqyyqM0 in glorious html5
[10:55] <mikhas> Riddell, how do the recent Ubuntu announcements affect Kubuntu, if at all?
[10:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works here, the right click menu is unreliable though
[10:55] <Riddell> mikhas: which ones?
[10:55] <Riddell> they're making a tablet UI, nothing new there
[10:55] <Riddell> mikhas: I'd say the main way they're helping us is in being helpful making qt 5 packages
[10:55] <shadeslayer>   hm
[10:56] <shadeslayer> I guess the 3 videos I tried to play last night were not html5
[10:56] <shadeslayer> *available in HTML5
[11:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do HTML5 videos from http://vimeo.com/ work for you?
[11:01] <shadeslayer> http://vimeo.com/ivideomaking/timelax01
[11:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works here
[11:04] <Riddell> pretty music
[11:04] <Riddell> no motion
[11:04] <shadeslayer> *blink*
[11:04] <Riddell> oh wait I'm looking at the wrong thing
[11:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes working fine
[11:04] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:04] <shadeslayer> did you recompile rekonq?
[11:04] <Riddell> nope
[11:05] <shadeslayer> it streams, but doesn't play for me
[11:05] <Riddell> do you have all the codecs installed?
[11:05] <Riddell> kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded!
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[11:06] <shadeslayer> hm, nope
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe you have flash installed
[11:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I do
[11:07] <shadeslayer> ah yeah
[11:07] <Riddell> right click doesn't give a flash menu
[11:07] <shadeslayer> so I was asking if it works without flash
[11:07] <shadeslayer> hm
[11:08] <Riddell> trying..
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep still works
[11:10] <shadeslayer> my install is kaput :(
[11:10] <Riddell> while http://www.dhs.state.il.us/accessibility/tests/flash/video.html doesn't
[11:10] <Riddell> and fullscreen on vimeo doesn't work, that did use flash
[11:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well install kubuntu-restricted-extras and all will work?
[11:13]  * Riddell uploads qtwebkit
[11:18]  * smartboyhw is waiting for his blog to get synced to Planet Ubuntu
[11:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: should be done hourly no?
[11:20] <shadeslayer> hourly?
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell,  hourly what?
[11:20] <Riddell> well it'll refresh for new blog posts each hour, I'd have thought the syncing config would be the same
[11:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: if it's a KDE themed blog you can also add it to planet.kde.org
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dunno. It said 2 hours in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well then what do you mean by "KDE themed"?
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Of course I would like to sync to it so I can post some software releases I packaged
[11:21] <smartboyhw> And some warnings (such as Mr.calligra getting to -0ubuntu5, which is extraordinary_
[11:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: if it's KDE software that should be good
[11:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: or maybe set up a kde tag so you can choose which posts go to planet kde?
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK. I will just post the KDE software things to Planet KDE... (with a WordPress KDE category)
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so how do I do that?
[11:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nope, doesn't work for me
[11:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ask a planet kde admin to ask you (me for example)
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL via?
[11:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: here is fine, needs URL, real name, irc nick, and hackergotchi
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn must I need one hackergotchi?
[11:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/yGwSpKK.png
[11:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no, but it's nice
[11:25] <smartboyhw> I don't want a hackergotchi
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you will have to see my pimply face...
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Is that good?
[11:25] <jussi> smartboyhw: put something there, we like to see who you are :D
[11:26] <smartboyhw> jussi, NO
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Ah OK fine
[11:26]  * smartboyhw gives up
[11:26] <jussi> smartboyhw: I have a horribly ugly face, yet mine is there
[11:27] <mikhas> Riddell, does http://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/21/sony-pirates-kde-artwork infect all other media used on that website to be LGPL, too? ;-)
[11:27] <mikhas> I find (L)GPL to be a strange license for content
[11:28] <smartboyhw> jussi, no. Really my face doesn't look good
[11:29] <Riddell> I updated the photo on http://jriddell.org/ the other day, I think my eye looks wonky in that but then I have a wonky eye so no need to hide it
[11:29] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:30] <shadeslayer> that looks like a old pic
[11:30] <mikhas> Riddell, and yes, I think you should sue them (or let the FSF handle it for you)
[11:30] <Riddell> it's from akademy last summer
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK. Blog URL: smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw
[11:30] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Real name: Howard Chan
[11:30] <smartboyhw> IRC nick: (as you see me here)
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Hackergotchi: NO
[11:30] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:30] <Riddell> mikhas: not up to me it's up to nuno and he's too nice to sue (this sort of thing happens all the time to him)
[11:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: got a kde category?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes
[11:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: RSS URL?
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, finding:P
[11:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: possibly it doesn't exist until you make a post using the category
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, than first one: Delay for calligra 2.6.1:P
[11:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, should be http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/category/kde/feed for RSS feed
[11:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and this also works fine for you ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/html5/
[11:39] <smartboyhw> According to the WordPress guide;P
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm that isn't a feed
[11:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, apachelogger's choice in music is better than his choice in videos
[11:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:42] <shadeslayer> doesn't work for me at all :P
[11:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nor is http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/category/planetubuntu/feed/?mrss=off which explains why your blog isn't on planet ubuntu
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, this should http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/?cat=4&feed=rss2
[11:43]  * smartboyhw updates in planet Ubuntu too
[11:43] <shadeslayer> anyway
[11:43] <shadeslayer> I'm exhausted
[11:43] <shadeslayer> night
[11:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's your name in Chinese characters?  (just for coolness)
[11:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait
[11:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, my Chinese name is 陳浩雲 
[11:45] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: committed
[11:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thanks
[11:46] <mikhas> Riddell, you have a disturbing favicon on your website
[11:48] <Riddell> mikhas: actually that was malitiously placed there by a hacker who cracked into the site and vandalised it.  clearly sladen does not keep good security on that server.
[11:49] <mikhas> of course, blame it on Chinese hackers …
[11:49] <mikhas> (sorry smartboyhw)
[11:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: :O
[11:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: qt4 dance ftw I say
[11:49] <sladen> yikes, wheesht, what did we miss?
[11:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how did you find the html5 page anyway, lol
[11:50] <sladen> should be a picture of a kilt  http://jriddell.org/favicon.ico
[11:52] <smartboyhw> mikhas, well Hong Kong is a more special place
[11:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: all gone down hill since the British stopped colonising it?
[11:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, NO NO NO
[11:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, although the conflicts between Hong Kong SAR and Mainland China are indeed increasing
[11:54] <Riddell> smartboyhw: a land of freedom and opportunity since the English let go of their control?
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, freedom: Decreasing a bit every year. Opportunity: Increasing
[11:54] <mikhas> Riddell, hah! Dream you Scotish separatist!
[11:54] <smartboyhw> mikhas, LOL
[11:54] <sladen> mikhas: seems Riddell is winding me up.  I (made) and put the favicon of the kilt there in 2004
[11:54] <mikhas> *Dream on
[11:55]  * smartboyhw doesn't fell anything about Scottish separation
[11:55]  * Riddell nicely deflects Scotland's part in that little escapade, heroin and stolen gold aside
[11:55] <sladen> mikhas: ...the kilt being Riddell's trademark when travelling, since he doesn't have a Brompton bicycle
[11:55] <Riddell> s/separation/independence/ !
[11:55] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[11:55] <smartboyhw> You know what my Chinese New Year holiday is? Writing about David Cameron about homosexual marriage
[11:55] <mikhas> Riddell, the Queen would say chaos.
[11:55] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, clearly the bot needs some edit:P
[11:55] <mikhas> She does not believe you could govern yourself.
[11:56] <Riddell> mikhas: Betty, the Queen of Scots will govern how we the people choose it
[11:57] <mikhas> An elected queen! Are you crazy?
[11:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ach the English are just copying the Scots on that policy, like they do with all our good policies :)
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you are actually a Scot?
[11:57] <sladen> (same as Betty, Queen of Canada, Queen of Australia, Queen of ... etc)
[11:57]  * smartboyhw wonders if there is a photo of Riddell wearing Scottish dresses:P
[11:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: aye
[11:57] <mikhas> Riddell, makes me wonder why the Brits still call it whiskey then.
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[11:57] <sladen> smartboyhw: yes, but it's small   http://jriddell.org/favicon.ico
[11:58] <smartboyhw> sladen, LOL
[11:59] <Riddell> mikhas: the English and Irish just spell it wrong because we have the trademark on the correct spelling
[11:59] <mikhas> I need to google Betty the Queen. I guess it's some kind of highland animal.
[11:59] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just come to a KDE conference http://jriddell.org/photos/2003-08-24-kde-konference-group-photo.jpg
[12:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, then I would rather join in for UDS.... (I never went to one... Don't forget my age)
[12:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I hear there's one coming up in May
[12:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, in Oakland for god's sake
[12:00] <mikhas> At FOSDEM, there was a 16yo from the US giving a talk.
[12:00] <mikhas> He had to travel with his parents.
[12:00]  * smartboyhw certainly can't go to Oakland
[12:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why not?
[12:01] <smartboyhw> mikhas, I'm 14.... And my parents won't let me go
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I want it in Asia:P
[12:01] <mikhas> Oh, Betty is a nickname, got it …
[12:01] <jussi> smartboyhw: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/hes-15-and-works-for-canonical-bilal-akhtar-gets-interviewed
[12:02] <smartboyhw> jussi, WTF?
[12:02] <jussi> for example
[12:02] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:02] <jussi> Bilal is a nice guy
[12:02] <Riddell> 16 is an adult in scotland, we had 16 year olds at the Akademy in Scotland no problem
[12:02] <jussi> smartboyhw: show that to your parents :)
[12:02] <smartboyhw> jussi, I can't as I said. I don't know if my parents actually KNEW Ubuntu.
[12:02] <smartboyhw> They don't know my contributions either
[12:03] <Riddell> ooh smartboyhw is a rebelling teenager
[12:03] <smartboyhw> My dad just simply doesn't want me to play with computers at ALL
[12:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no.
[12:03] <smartboyhw> I had quite good study results
[12:03] <smartboyhw> But then my dad is a bit traditional///
[12:03] <mikhas> He wants you to work in a Chinese sweatshop?
[12:03] <mikhas> SCNR
[12:03] <smartboyhw> And he just wants me to study, study, study, study
[12:04] <smartboyhw> mikhas, bah. My dad is a barrister.....
[12:04] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:05]  * smartboyhw wonders which post of his will come up first
[12:05] <smartboyhw> One is for Planet Ubuntu
[12:05] <smartboyhw> one is for Planet KDE
[12:05] <smartboyhw> hmm
[12:06] <Riddell> it's a race!
[12:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeppee
[12:06] <sladen> mikhas: http://i.teddyhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mx0436871.pbbig.jpg  A betty, galloping in the Highlands
[12:06] <mikhas> No one reads Planet Ubuntu.
[12:06] <mikhas> Too crowded to be useful, too volatile quality of posts.
[12:07] <Riddell> mikhas: yeah I only scan it occationally
[12:07] <mikhas> I might visit Edinburgh (finally!) later this year.
[12:07] <mikhas> I already have the Lonely Planet about Scotland.
[12:08] <mikhas> sladen, ha! Nice one.
[12:08] <Riddell> mikhas: oh really?  do drop by and say hi
[12:08] <mikhas> I wonder why that witch isn't using her broom.
[12:08] <Riddell> mikhas: ooh careful, they won't let you through the border if you say things like that :)
[12:09] <mikhas> Eh, I have a pass-all-borders passport.
[12:09] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1131166] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131166 (by kmkale)
[12:09] <mikhas> And I've never been part of the commonwealth =p
[12:10] <mikhas> Still, going through customs in London is a strange feeling when you usually travel without that in rest of Europe.
[12:10] <mikhas> Just shows that UK is not part of Europe I guess ;-)
[12:11] <Riddell> mikhas: mm.  this is a painful point for me.  
[12:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I declare Planet KDE beat Planet Ubuntu
[12:11] <Riddell> but in a couple of years scotland will be independent and we can join schengen
[12:11] <mikhas> Riddell, joinnnnn usssss
[12:11] <mikhas> Yeah, everyone should join Schengen.
[12:11] <mikhas> It's such an important step for immigration, too.
[12:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I win!
[12:13] <mikhas> Riddell, perhaps I could sell you on that currency here, too? We have nice collector coins that will be invaluable in 20 years.
[12:13] <Riddell> mikhas: hmm?  which currency?
[12:14] <Riddell> currency is a pretty big issue for independence, most people want to keep £ sterling even though it continues to lose value against the euro
[12:14] <mikhas> One would need to find out whether it only loses value because its value is currently determined partly in London or not.
[12:15] <mikhas> meaning: by UK industry output (or lack thereof)
[12:15] <Riddell> it's the Bank of England printing money that does it I think
[12:15] <mikhas> Czechs have a pretty stable currency for instance.
[12:15] <mikhas> Precisely.
[12:16] <mikhas> But all joking aside: I would like to see this Scottish Independence experiment become true.
[12:16] <mikhas> If only as a role model for other regions in Europe that would be off on their own.
[12:17] <mikhas> I doubt Brussels' inefficiency would help but perhaps we'd get a real European Parliament that way, too.
[12:17] <mikhas> (Countries with recently gained independence wouldn't all give up right away and fight for their rights a bit harder.)
[12:17] <Riddell> mikhas: are you a Bavarian nationalist then? :)
[12:17] <mikhas> As a Prussian?
[12:18] <Riddell> ah hah, not something I know much about
[12:18] <mikhas> But yes, I would like to see them becoming independent, too ;-)
[12:18] <Riddell> got to go, a conversation for another time I think
[12:18]  * Riddell out
[12:23] <sladen> mikhas: customs?  Or the metal detectors for the Eurostar (which aren't about customs)
[12:23] <sladen> mikhas: though on trains in Europe you tend to get customs, rather than passports
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, as it turns out: I didn't push the link fix to planet-ubuntu :P
[12:24] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:30] <mikhas> sladen, never used the Eurostar. Moist people I asked are advising against it.
[12:30] <mikhas> Most*
[12:31] <sladen> *blink*
[12:34] <sladen> Eurostar has something like ~85% market share vs. the airlines to the destinations it serves, so I'm curious where the majority you speak of is coming from
[12:46] <mikhas> sladen, it was about how Eurostar takes so much longer and how you have to change trains several times
[12:46] <mikhas> depending on the train station, changing trains can be annoying with extra luggage, though it's of course nowhere near as annoying as connection flights
[12:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No longer stuck.  kubuntu-active Depends: plasma-active-keyboardcontainer which is no longer built was the problem (thanks to cjwatson for figuring it out)
[12:59] <ScottK> It's forced in, but you need to fix the k-a seeds.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:14] <sladen> mikhas: example journey?  eg. middle of Koln to middle of London is 5 hours by {TGV/ICE, Eurostar}.  By flying you still wouldn't beat that
[13:15] <mikhas> Berlin to Manchester
[13:15] <sladen> yup, that's longer, that's about 20 hours
[13:15] <sladen> and since they re-routed the Brussels..Berlin sleeper you can't do it overnight
[13:15] <mikhas> bingo
[13:17] <mikhas> Sometimes I dream of a maglev network that connects European capitals.
[13:17] <mikhas> Those dreams often happen when I wait for 7 hours for connection flights.
[13:18] <sladen> maglev doesn't really help
[13:19] <sladen> the speeds of high-speed steel-wheel-on-steel-rail are much the same as for maglev, but without having to build new incompatible infrastructure everywhere
[13:20] <mikhas> steel-wheel-on-steel-reail can do 500 km/h?
[13:20] <mikhas> *rail
[13:21] <mikhas> I thought higher speeds with regular trains are impracticable due to acceleration/deceleration increase.
[13:21] <sladen> yes, the last of messing about the French did was about 15% over that
[13:22] <mikhas> increase in rail length needed, that is
[13:22] <sladen> ...and the same issues apply to maglev.  which isn't acceleration/decleration (instead limited by human tolerable), but is wind resistance (same for maglev and steel-rail)
[13:23] <Daviey> sladen: Koln, as in Cologne?
[13:24] <sladen> Daviey: yes
[13:24] <Daviey> sladen: 2hrs 25mins to gatwick.
[13:25] <Daviey> *and* cheaper.
[13:25]  * BluesKaj wonders why the English speaking world uses the the French name for Koln
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Damn the build failed in 386
[13:26] <smartboyhw> s/386/i386/
[13:26] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Damn the build failed in i386"
[13:26] <smartboyhw> for calligra
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Why did it fail?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> yofel__, apachelogger 
[13:27] <smartboyhw> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131963515/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.calligra_1%3A2.6.1-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:27]  * smartboyhw can't understand just by looking at the last few lines
[13:27] <smartboyhw> What's more, the amd64 succeeded I think
[13:28] <smartboyhw> At least /https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.6.1-0ubuntu5/+build/431714 says "Built successfully"
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[13:32] <mikhas> BluesKaj, probably goes back to the Roman name of the city?
[13:32] <sladen> Daviey: plus 1 hour to the airport 2 hours check-in and waiting an another 1 hour to Victoria 
[13:32] <mikhas> One could say that "Köln" is the wrong name.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> mikhas, I don't know , that's why I asked
[13:35] <mikhas> "Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium"
[13:35] <mikhas> you can now argue whether Cologne or Köln is closer to that ;-)
[13:35] <BluesKaj> heh :)
[13:35] <Daviey> sladen: You don't think you need to turn up early for the train either?
[13:36] <Daviey> sladen: an hour at Victoria.. you checked that?   .. sounds like a case of make the facts fit the story.
[13:36] <sladen> Daviey: 5 minutes is generally good enough for me, as it still leaves time to get a Pretzel
[13:37] <mikhas> 5 minutes is cutting it close … on some German train stations, that's not enough to get to the right platform
[13:38] <mikhas> I try to arrive ~20min before train leaves, because trains are more often than not very on time in Germany
[13:38] <sladen> get a Brompton
[13:38] <mikhas> hah, we had that already
[13:39] <sladen> (disclaimer: note that cyling on platforms is generally verboten, and they get confused in airports if you do it too)
[13:41] <sladen> Daviey: next time you do it; time it door-to-door.  GatEx is 30 minutes headline plus 15 minutes granularity, plus the "getting to the right platform" 20 minutes that you could have spent in Koeln instead, plus (at Gatwick) the monorail to get /to/ the station since it ain't at the terminal.   Time it next time, door-to-door
[13:44] <Daviey> sladen: I don't believe there is much in it either way... However, coming back from FOSDEM, the slowest part of the journey was the last train leg home.. which took longer than the time it took to decde to leave the venue, get to the airport and land at heathrow.  Note, i am 1hr car ride away from Heathrow.
[13:47] <yofel__> smartboyhw: fallout from the qtwebkit upload
[13:47] <yofel__>  /usr/include/qt4/QtWebKit/qwebpage.h:1:55: fatal error: ../../../../Source/WebKit/qt/Api/qwebpage.h: No such file or directory
[13:47] <yofel__> shadeslayer, Riddell 
[13:47] <smartboyhw> yofel_, oh damn
[13:47] <smartboyhw> yofel_, we need a rebuild later then for i386
[13:48] <yofel__> well yeah, should be a simply retry
[13:51] <sladen> Daviey: yeah, most people coming back from FOSDEM don't fly .. to Heathrow, they visit the bar that was one end in Brussels and one end in St Pancras
[13:53] <Daviey> i've got the train 3 times, and flown twice.. i found flying better.
[13:54] <sladen> fair enough if you've tried both
[14:03] <Riddell> sladen: pst don't let him off, berate him for destroying the environment
[14:06] <Riddell> yofel__: oh foo, time to build qtwebkit again :(
[14:24] <smartboyhw> qtwebkit-source build failure for powerpc in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131966670/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.qtwebkit-source_2.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz\
[14:24] <smartboyhw> s/https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131966670/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.qtwebkit-source_2.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz\/https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131966670/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.qtwebkit-source_2.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz/
[14:24] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "qtwebkit-source build failure for powerpc in //launchpadlibrarian.net/131966670/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.qtwebkit-source_2.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz\"
[14:25] <Riddell> #error "The MacroAssembler is not supported on this platform."  cool
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, anyway to rebuild i386 for calligra? It clashed with qtwebkit-source upload...
[14:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well it won't work until we fix qtwebkit
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, grrrr 
[14:27] <Riddell> I'm compiling it here now
[14:27] <Riddell> qt and its legendary build system, mixed with webkit and its legendary build system, yay
[14:27] <Riddell> I'll be interested to see if arm builds
[14:27] <Riddell> powerpc I don't care about
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:30] <yofel__> Riddell: if they really don't intent to support powerpc should we build for "!powerpc" ? As this doesn't really sound fixable
[14:31] <ScottK> yofel__: It could just be a platform detection error.
[14:32]  * ScottK decides to see how the new kernel works on his server.
[14:32] <yofel__> true
[14:32]  * smartboyhw agrees
[14:41] <ScottK> apparently it works.
[14:42] <jussi> right then, do we have any germans from munich/that know Munich here? 
[14:43]  * ScottK knows one, but he's west coast US now and not online yet (not normally here either).
[14:44] <jussi> ScottK: ok. I can wait, I need munich restaurant info :D
[14:44] <ScottK> jussi: How urgently?  Send me mail?
[14:45] <Riddell> sounds like a question for google
[14:45] <jussi> ScottK: not urgent, I can drop a mail, looking for "local" type food, somewhere near to, or short trip away from the main station area. for next thursday.
[14:45] <jussi> Riddell: nah, nothing like local advice
[14:46] <ScottK> OK.  Please and I'll forward it.
[14:49] <yofel__> jussi: if you go into the town center you'll usually find something fast. It's not that large. Worst case go into the hofbräuhaus ^^
[14:49] <jussi> yofel__: Im hoping for something the locals would eat at, rather than just $randomrestaurantthatIhappentoruninto
[14:50] <yofel__> you should find that in the brewery restaurants. You should look up on a map where those are though.
[14:50] <mikhas> the riverside (near Isar) has nice places to go
[14:51] <mikhas> it's not where tourist would go, usually
[14:51] <murthy> hello everyone
[14:51] <jussi> mikhas: can you link me to a google map or something of the area? 
[14:51] <jussi> ScottK: sent to your ubuntu@k address
[14:51] <ScottK> OK.  
[14:56] <murthy> yofel__:  dh_movelibkdeinit, this script is run only in dh < 7 ?
[14:57] <yofel__> murthy: no, it runs only --with kde, as it's kde specific
[14:57] <yofel__> it moves the libkdeinit* files to /usr/lib/kde/libkdeinit/ (IIRC)
[14:57] <yofel__> kde4
[14:58] <agateau> Riddell: congratulations, you are ranked 1st on hackernews atm: https://news.ycombinator.com/
[14:58] <murthy> yofel__: so it wont get listed in the missing list?
[14:59] <Riddell> I'm elite!
[15:00] <Riddell> agateau: it says "99 comments" on it, how can I see comments?
[15:00] <agateau> click on "99 comments"
[15:00] <Riddell> oh, clever
[15:00] <agateau> Riddell: :)
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, elite on what?:p
[15:00] <smartboyhw> ah I got it
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, XD great job
[15:01] <agateau> Riddell: you really need to switch to a blog host which allows commenting without creating an account
[15:01] <yofel__> murthy: list-missing can't handle the movement, as the files get moved between installing in debian/tmp and putting them into debian/<pkg>. So list-missing will show the files as missing even though they're in fact not missing
[15:02] <yofel__> something you need to be careful about when you see such files
[15:02] <yofel__> as in most cases, they're in some .install file AND in not-installed
[15:02] <mikhas> first comment tells us that you could make money from that case
[15:02] <murthy> yofel__: does that include header files too?
[15:02] <yofel__> no, only files named libkdeinit*.so
[15:03] <murthy> yofel__: ok
[15:03] <Riddell> agateau: you can "Log in using OpenID"!
[15:04] <yofel__> bbl
[15:04] <agateau> Riddell: it's still annoying
[15:04] <agateau> and not everybody has an openid account
[15:05] <murthy> shadeslayer: for ktp-desktop-applets ,you changed the rules file in revision 2, did you test build after that?
[15:05] <Riddell> agateau: everyone has a launchpad or google account, but it is hard to use I agree
[15:06] <agateau> Riddell: do google account work through openid?
[15:06] <murthy> brb
[15:06]  * agateau never tried that
[15:08] <Riddell> agateau: hmm google says its fiddly but possible
[15:08] <mikhas> not worth it, some services/features might not work
[15:08] <Riddell> I use launchpad for openid things https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/OpenID
[15:09] <mikhas> for instance, I had problems joining Google calendar/events invites with e-mail aliases that were no proper Google e-mails
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, problem: calligra-data is not being built in 1:2.6.1-0ubuntu5
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Where could it be!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?
[15:40] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: i386 failed to build
[15:40] <apachelogger> arch: all packages are only built on i386
[15:40] <apachelogger> so since i386 is failing the -data package is missing
[15:40] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, calligra-data is ONLY built on i386? OH
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Damn:P
[15:41] <apachelogger> one of the points of declaring a package arch all is to reduce build times for all architectures but one
[15:42] <apachelogger> since the data is portable anyway there is no point in creating the package on more than one architecture
[15:42] <smartboyhw> And that architecture is i386 which failed:(
[15:48] <ScottK> Anyone tried the ff/chromium kpart mentioned on k-devel?  Seems like what we want.
[16:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ahhhh makes sense
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: your blog exploded at HN
[16:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: HN?  the thing agateau pointed to?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> yus
[16:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please fix?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Hacker News
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I will, I just got up :)
[16:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:10] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5256834
[16:12] <shadeslayer> murthy:  I did? I don't see anything related to changing the rules fine
[16:12] <shadeslayer> *file
[16:12] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/ktp-desktop-applets-ubuntu/revision/2
[16:14] <murthy> shadeslayer: sorry thats revision 1
[16:14] <murthy> shadeslayer: dh $@ --with kde
[16:14] <shadeslayer> what about it?
[16:15] <murthy> shadeslayer: i test built without the option "--with kde"
[16:15] <murthy> Daviey: yofel_ brought to my attention about this which i came to know today 
[16:15] <murthy> mikhas: oops
[16:15] <murthy> shadeslayer: ^
[16:16] <murthy> Daviey, mikhas wrong nicks ,nm, sorry
[16:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer and apachelogger when qtwebkit-source gets done please re-build i386 for calligra
[16:18] <murthy> shadeslayer: so?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> hm, I swear I read about this in a man page, but I can't find it anymore
[16:27] <shadeslayer> murthy: I don't get the point you're trying to make?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> are you saying that it built fine without --with kde ?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> and that it should be dropped?
[16:29] <murthy> shadeslayer: no, i built wihtout the option, so i am wondering if the introduction of that option will change something for example the situation with calligra i think that yofel_ was discussing earlier
[16:30] <murthy> shadeslayer: aren't we suppose to test built if we are changing something in the debian/rules ?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> not really, it's a KDE debhelper addon that does some magic, I forget where the addon is on the filesystem to read it
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yofel_: ^ any ideas where the kde addon is?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> murthy: yes
[16:31] <shadeslayer> and I did test build it
[16:32] <murthy> shadeslayer: in that case we can ignore about ktp-desktop-applets
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: fwiw that is not at all intuitive :|
[16:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Which?  The seed issue?  I agree.
[16:34] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:34] <ScottK> Sure.  
[16:34] <ScottK> Britney output is not for the novice.
[16:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:37] <Riddell> agateau: you might well have a point, my blog has no comments but there's loads on that hacker news and on reddit
[16:37] <agateau> Riddell: heh
[16:38] <shadeslayer> yeah, I was kind of surprised about that
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> nobody wants to make the account to comment on blogs.kde.org :P
[16:39] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:40]  * shadeslayer starts the long task of updating the meta package
[16:43] <ScottK> Where's the hacker news link?
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5256834
[16:44] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:51] <Riddell> fooey
[16:52] <Riddell> qtwebkit headers fixed but now cmake doesn't want to find qtwebkit when compiling rekonq
[16:53] <ScottK> Nice.
[16:54] <Riddell> due to changed soname 4.8 -> 4.10
[16:54] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:10] <murthy> shadeslayer: pm?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:27] <Riddell> grr, I can't work out what makes qtwebkit not get picked up by cmake
[17:27] <Riddell> anyone able to help?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK new kubuntu-meta uploaded
[17:37] <ScottK> Great.
[17:37] <ScottK> BTW, if that had  been done first, then plasma-mobile would have migrated on it's own.
[17:38] <shadeslayer> yeah, but I didn't realize that the package was seeded, and britney was being unhelpful
[17:38] <shadeslayer> I never made the connection
[17:39] <shadeslayer> something to remember the next time I drop packages
[17:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's new?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plasma-active-keyboardcontainer was dropped
[17:39] <shadeslayer> upstream advises to use maliit
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: what's the status on the plasma active maliit plugin?
[17:40] <ScottK> Riddell: You're on groklaw too.
[17:41]  * shadeslayer rages at live build
[17:44]  * Riddell feels elite!
[17:50] <shadeslayer> so this is a bit weird, I had a chroot and something went wrong and it got deleted except for /dev, then in order to remove /dev I bootstrapped it again, but even then I can't remove /dev
[17:50] <shadeslayer> something is using /dev and I have no idea what
[17:51] <Riddell> lsof ?
[17:51] <Riddell> go on, someone submit my blog to slashdot and make me happy http://slashdot.org/submission :)
[17:51] <shadeslayer> tried, it says it can't read /proc/mount
[17:51] <shadeslayer> since there is none 
[17:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seeing how this is such a sensitive matter, I don't think any of us should submit it :P
[17:59] <shadeslayer> any magic options I can pass to rm to forcefully delete this?
[18:01] <Riddell> I mount -o loop dev in my chroots, I wouldn't want to delete those as it would delete the original
[18:01] <Riddell> but assuming you haven't done that I think reboot would be the easiest way to ensure nothing was using it
[18:02] <shadeslayer> haven't done that
[18:02] <shadeslayer> hm, ah well
[18:02]  * shadeslayer reboots the server
[18:03] <shadeslayer> this server takes too long to come up unfortunately
[18:03] <shadeslayer> not entirely sure why
[18:03]  * shadeslayer should pack his kubuntu tee for tomorrow
[18:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what happens tomorrow?
[18:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: leaving for http://www.gdgdaiict.com/kdemeetup/index.html
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/18y61w/sony_pirates_kde_artwork/
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and more specifically http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/18y61w/sony_pirates_kde_artwork/c8j38vn
[18:22] <genii-around> shadeslayer: "Sony was pretty good about it, promised they wouldn't use the logo any further and paid us a fair bit of money to offset the use." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5256834
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:22] <shadeslayer> this could end up with the e.V. getting a fair bit of money
[18:27] <yofel_> shadeslayer, murthy: dpkg -L pkg-kde-tools | grep kde.pm tells you where that is - but IIRC ktp doesn't *need* it
[18:27] <shadeslayer> right
[18:28] <Quintasan_> shadeslayer: Is there one?
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yup
[18:29] <Quintasan> Is it a part of maliit?
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/3.0/src/plasma-active-maliit-0.1.tar.xz
[18:29] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:29] <shadeslayer> it's a plugin from what I was told
[18:29] <Quintasan> Then there is no status lol
[18:29] <Quintasan> I didn't do it
[18:29] <Quintasan> I can do it tomorrow when I come back with my laptop
[18:29] <shadeslayer> awesome
[18:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: new laptop?
[18:29] <Quintasan> more like first laptop ever
[18:30] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:30] <Quintasan> Thinkpad T430 I believe
[18:31] <yofel> not the most important question: what GPU? ^^
[18:31] <Quintasan> NVidia one I think
[18:31] <Quintasan> not sure which my father actually order
[18:31] <Quintasan> ordered*
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[19:24] <Quintasan> yofel: that might sound dumb, does it makes sense to pull the battery when sitting connected to AC?
[19:37] <yofel> Quintasan: if you sit connected to AC for a week and don't fear power cuts, yes - otherwise no
[19:38] <yofel> thinkpads only start charging at < 95%, so the batteries hold pretty long
[19:40] <yofel> Battery 0: design capacity 7800 mAh, last full capacity 7640 mAh = 97%
[19:40] <yofel> that one's ~3 year old with 211 charge cycles
[19:41] <jessie> How do I get battery info? I also have a think pad that I'm curious about stats.
[19:42] <yofel> start by installing tp-smapi-dkms, then modprobe tp_smapi, then look around in /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0
[19:42] <yofel> be warned that some files there are writable, as you can for example force-discharge the battery
[19:42] <yofel> and modify the charge start points
[19:45] <ScottK> yofel and jessie: Also upower --dump
[19:45] <ScottK> No risk of writing stuff you shouldn't.
[19:45] <yofel> right, that too
[19:46] <yofel> (which is actually more useful as it talks about Wh, not Ah)
[19:46] <jessie> There we go. So mine is 85%.
[19:46] <jessie> No word on how many charge cycles...
[19:48] <yofel> yeah, I got that from http://paste.kde.org/677870
[19:50] <genii-around> I have a German fellow in #kubuntu with what seems to be this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289336  ... would anyone know offhand if it still exists in 4.10 ?
[19:56] <apachelogger> genii-around: it's to be assumed as there is no report of it working in .10
[19:56] <genii-around> apachelogger: OK, thank you!
[20:15] <ScottK> jussi: Your answer is in your inbox.
[21:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to sleep now. Good night.
[21:36] <apachelogger> sheytan_: any progress on lightdm?
[21:37] <sheytan_> apachelogger: not much. when is the feature freeze?
[21:38] <apachelogger> march 7
[21:38] <apachelogger> march 21 is UI freeze
[21:39] <sheytan_> i will do it 10 time till that ;)
[21:39] <apachelogger> :S
[21:39] <sheytan_> had a lot of work today
[21:39] <sheytan_> feeling completly out of power
[21:39] <apachelogger> I didn't feel like working today ^^
[21:39] <apachelogger> playing catch-up with mail now :P
[21:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u around?
[21:40] <yofel> he's asleep
[21:40] <apachelogger> yofel: oh, you got neon installed?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> no
[21:40] <shadeslayer> I'm not :(
[21:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: . . .
[21:40] <apachelogger> lol
[21:40] <shadeslayer> I came back online
[21:40] <shadeslayer> could not sleep
[21:40] <apachelogger> someone with neon plz run dpkg -S khtmlpart.so
[21:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sleep is a sign of weakness :P
[21:41] <shadeslayer> true!
[21:41] <yofel> project-neon-kdelibs: /opt/project-neon/lib/kde4/libkhtmlpart.so
[21:41] <shadeslayer> indeedly ^
[21:42] <apachelogger> hm
[21:42] <apachelogger> thx
[21:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: isn't bug 1092910 what .10 does?
[21:43] <apachelogger> or am I misunderstanding it
[21:43] <apachelogger> .. the bug should be upstreamed anyway
[21:43] <apachelogger> plus I don't think that will happen for kdelibs4
[21:43] <apachelogger> knotifications are really not designed for this
[21:43] <apachelogger> i.e. you create them, you fire them, you forget about them
[21:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: But KDE (and maybe it's plasma, not kdelibs) implements the FDO notification system and merging is part of it.  
[21:44] <ScottK> It should be upstreamed to whatever handles the U/I part of notifications.
[21:45] <ScottK> I know he's trying to forget it, but maybe agateau can at least help us triage it properly.
[21:45] <apachelogger> doesn't matter
[21:45] <apachelogger> the FDO thing is still represented by knotification api
[21:45] <apachelogger> so the bottleneck/design divergence lies there
[21:45] <apachelogger> ah yes
[21:49] <apachelogger> woah
[21:49] <apachelogger> bug 1092910
[21:49] <apachelogger> is major
[21:49] <apachelogger> leaked some 100mb in like 25 connections
[21:49] <shadeslayer> isn't that KNotify + MI?
[21:50] <apachelogger> no clue
[21:50] <apachelogger> MI is not maintained tho as I understand
[21:50] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:50] <shadeslayer> Who has a nexus 10?
[21:50] <apachelogger> hm
[21:50] <apachelogger> kded modules are growing wild
[21:50] <apachelogger> ...
[21:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:51] <ScottK> I thought agateau found a new victim <-<-<- maintainer for MI?
[21:51] <shadeslayer> there was proposal for one more
[21:51] <apachelogger> got some 20 services that can be controled by me
[21:51] <shadeslayer> in KDE Telepathy
[21:51] <ScottK> What's not supported in KDE telepathy.
[21:51] <apachelogger> another 10-15 on demand
[21:51] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:51] <apachelogger> really not surprised it leaks
[21:51] <apachelogger> ...
[21:52] <apachelogger> let's pull all our crappy code in one process, surely a good idea
[21:52] <apachelogger> ...
[21:52] <apachelogger> oh well
[21:52]  * apachelogger thinks it's some lowlevel networkmanager lib
[21:52] <shadeslayer> the fun bit is when some module causes kded to crash
[21:52] <shadeslayer> also brings down everything else with it it
[21:52] <apachelogger> that's why it is a good idea
[21:53] <shadeslayer> yup :D
[21:53] <apachelogger> alas, not as good an idea as doing that with the desktop shell and then write all the components of the desktop shell in C++ as to maximize the chance of it crashing... :P
[21:54] <shadeslayer> another occurence is when someone introduces infinite loops in a kded module causes kded to take up 100% CPI
[21:54] <shadeslayer> *CPU
[21:55] <shadeslayer> KDE Telepathy had one of those ^_^
[21:55] <apachelogger> easy to do
[21:55] <apachelogger> in fact
[21:55] <apachelogger> since all modules share the same mainloop and thread you can even make them loop block
[21:55] <shadeslayer> yup, it was a mere matter of placing the increment statement out of the while block
[21:55] <apachelogger> powerdevil had something like that I think
[21:56] <shadeslayer> rofl
[21:56] <shadeslayer> really?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> kded modules share the same mainloop and thread?
[21:57] <Riddell> kded is just one process
[21:57] <Riddell> it was made before kde used threads
[21:57] <yofel> I would already be happy when a cifs mount wouldn't hang plasma if the network connection dies
[21:58] <shadeslayer> well ... yeah, but I thought the modules didn't share the eventloop 
[21:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: mainloop splitting would nto be a big deal
[21:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: reasonable certain they do
[21:58] <apachelogger> powerdevil leaks on ssh
[21:58] <apachelogger> WTF
[21:59] <shadeslayer> KDE: Shipping fun software for the last 5 years
[21:59] <apachelogger> how does powerdevil leak on ssh connections
[22:00] <apachelogger> that aint even making no sense
[22:00] <apachelogger> that's like phonon leaking when you download a torrent
[22:03] <shadeslayer> I'm off to sleep ... again
[22:03] <apachelogger> nini
[22:03] <apachelogger> btw, apparently I entered a 0 too many when setting up my disks, now I have 80 GiB of swap :D
[22:11] <ScottK> That should be enough.
[22:11] <jessie> I reckon.
[22:16] <yofel> Riddell: shouldn't the checkbox get disabled if one clicks on "login automatically"? http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/encrypt_without_login.png
[22:17] <Riddell> yofel: it is disabled in that screenshot
[22:17] <Riddell> it is checked but disabled
[22:18] <yofel> er, yeah, I mean unchecked
[22:19] <Riddell> depends how easy it is to confuse the disabled and checked statuses
[22:19]  * apachelogger thinks it would be more obvious if it was unchecked and disabled
[22:19] <apachelogger> i.e. how it is now it looks like it is active but I cannot deactivate it
[22:22] <yofel> I'm just asking as it's now not clear whether your home folder will get encrypted or not - it shouldn't, but will it not?
[22:24] <Riddell> it won't be
[22:24] <Riddell> but I can see how the user might be confused
[22:40] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/4su4BZd.png
[22:43] <apachelogger> not from kdeware though
[22:43] <apachelogger> still getting it with QT_NO_GLIB=1
[22:57] <yofel> Riddell: after installing like that ^, my homefolder *is* encrypted
[22:57] <yofel> and I had to log in
[22:57]  * yofel goes bugfiling
[22:58] <Riddell> um, hmm
[23:06] <yofel> bug 1131459
[23:15] <ScottK> yofel: How would you feel about uploading 4.9.5 to quantal-proposed?
[23:15] <yofel> not too bad, but not before saturday
[23:15] <ScottK> OK
[23:15] <ScottK> See you then.
[23:57] <apachelogger> polkit leaking -.-