[00:03] <billytwowilly> so I dragged a file onto vlc from pcmanfm and it dissapeared...
[00:03] <billytwowilly> normally that plays the file.
[00:03] <billytwowilly> this time it deleted it, or moved it some place non-obvious
[00:59] <comradekingu> has anyone tried lubuntu 12.10 with unetbooting persistent storage UBIFS, seems like its not quite ready for prime
[09:54] <thiefy> how can i make x11vnc start before i have to login to the desktop?  meaning, if the computer reboots, i want to be able to vnc to it, and then login to the desktop enviroment.
[09:54] <thiefy> i've seen instructions on the net, but they are obsolete, they tell you to play with files that aren't there these days.
[10:00] <jude0> mooooo, add a line to /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[10:16] <mooooo> i tried that.... failure....   though, i now just took it outta my autostart folder.   ~/.config/autostart
[10:17] <mooooo> rebooting... see if she works.
[10:18] <mooooo> works great. though, problem is, i don't have to login to the computer to use it.
[10:49] <mooooo> ok, i was wrong. taht does NOT work jude0
[10:50] <mooooo> i can vnc into the computer AFTER i log in just fine. but i want this to be able to vnc to the computer, and THEN login to it.
[11:19] <jude0> mooooo maybe /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart
[11:30] <mooooo> (i'm using peppermint) but it's the same as what you've said...   i see both dirs that you've mentioned.
[11:30] <mooooo> i'll try it in the openbox autostart and see how that goes.
[11:31] <mooooo> instead of /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart   i have this: /etc/xdg/lxsession/Peppermint/autostart    but i'll try it in here: /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart
[16:57] <thiefy> how can i make a program run before x launches?
[16:58] <thiefy> i want to have x11vnc start and be able for me to vnc into it - before i have to log into the normal desktop.
[17:06] <holstein> thiefy: that will be simiar for all ubuntu/debian/linux
[17:07] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/83824/how-can-i-start-a-vnc-server-before-log-on
[17:07] <holstein> vino is what i have used in the past
[17:07] <holstein> http://www.abdevelopment.ca/blog/start-vnc-server-ubuntu-boot
[17:34] <thiefy> holstein,  i did what the site says:   then at this part, i'll show you what i get....
[17:34] <thiefy> Make the script executable with sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/vncserver.
[17:34] <thiefy> Then, run sudo update-rc.d vncserver defaults. This adds the appropriate symlinks to the vncserver script so that it is sent the start and stop commands at the appropriate time.
[17:34] <thiefy> Make the script executable with sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/vncserver.
[17:34] <thiefy> Then, run sudo update-rc.d vncserver defaults. This adds the appropriate symlinks to the vncserver script so that it is sent the start and stop commands at the appropriate time.
[17:35] <thiefy> usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] <basename> remove
[17:35] <thiefy>        update-rc.d [-n] <basename> defaults [NN | SS KK]
[17:35] <thiefy>        update-rc.d [-n] <basename> start|stop NN runlvl [runlvl] [...] .
[17:35] <thiefy>        update-rc.d [-n] <basename> disable|enable [S|2|3|4|5]
[17:35] <thiefy> 		-n: not really
[17:35] <thiefy> 		-f: force
[17:35] <thiefy> The disable|enable API is not stable and might change in the future.
[17:35] <thiefy> it doesn't like taht update-rc.d vncserver command.
[17:36] <thiefy> any thoughts?  i'll keep playing...
[17:40] <holstein> thiefy: i literally installed vino and ran vino-preferences and used it
[17:43] <thiefy> heh, i am reading vino is a good choice. but does it create another x session for vnc or does it use display 0 ?
[17:45] <holstein> thiefy: i just logged in as whatever user i wanted
[18:09] <thiefy> i am gonna try vino. this is just stupid....
[18:31] <thiefy> holstein,  and i assume vino started up and allowed you to vnc in before you had to do the normal login to the os right?
[18:32] <holstein> thiefy: correct
[18:32] <thiefy> what about freenx  ? ever used it?
[18:34] <holstein> freenx and nomachine
[18:34] <holstein> its not vnc
[18:34] <holstein> if you want it, its great... but its not remote desktop.. its forwarding a desktop session
[18:35] <holstein> a lot like forwarding an application over ssh, but its an entire desktop
[18:35] <thiefy> oh, i don't want that.
[18:35] <thiefy> i want the vnc standard.
[18:36] <thiefy> and i don't want another X to run. i just want to forward the one that boots.
[18:37] <holstein> well, its quite nice. quite a bit more usable
[18:37] <holstein> personally, i dont do vnc anymore.. its not usable for most of what i want to do
[18:37] <holstein> i just forward one application over ssh, or use nomachine
[18:37] <thiefy> what's the diff between nomachine and normal vnc?
[18:41] <holstein> thiefy: as i said, vnc forwards the desktop.. allwing you to control a current session ..freenx/nomachin forwards a session.. its much more like a desktop
[18:41] <holstein> what would i do? just try them both and see what fits your needs, and what works
[18:42] <thiefy> what i am really only worried about is the method taht is lightest on the computer, and the fastest.
[18:42] <thiefy> whcih is why i keep saying i don't want to initiate another x session... you know what i mean?
[18:50] <holstein> depends on what you are wanting
[18:50] <holstein> if you need VNC< then you need it.. there is no lighter way
[18:50] <holstein> nomachine is faster feelling and seems more native, but its not vnc
[18:52] <thiefy> i hear ya. i'll see how this vino goes.
[18:53] <thiefy> i have to wait for a file transfer to finish before i can reboot and make sure it works as expected.
[18:53] <Unit193> So are you looking for something like http://seb.so/vnc-from-boot-without-logging-in-ubuntu-lubuntu-xubuntu-and-mint-lmde/ ?  (Don't use the Lubuntu/LXDM method)
[18:55] <thiefy> i read that page, and i didn't do it cause        Put this in /etc/lxdm/LoginReady:       that part i stopped at cause that file or anything like it doesn't exist.
[18:56] <Unit193> Yeah, Lubuntu uses lightdm, not lxdm.
[18:57] <thiefy> lxdm and lxde are different right?
[18:58] <thiefy> if i do     ls /etc/lxdm       or ls /etc/lxde     both return nothing (the folders don't exist)
[18:58] <thiefy> that's why i said screw it to those instructions.
[18:59] <thiefy> i'm copying a 2 gig file over usb 1.0. heheh. (old computer) after the transfer is done, i'll reboot and see how vino goes.  then if it works i can thank you muchly and we don't have to care about this x11vnc anymore. hahah
[19:11] <kiwo> hi! How do you do to start an application at the boot?
[19:14] <thiefy> put a .desktop file into ~/.config/autostart/
[19:15] <kiwo> ah ok
[19:15] <kiwo> it's simple :)
[19:15] <thiefy> yar laddie.
[19:23] <thiefy> hey holstein i have a probaly obvious question.... if i run a program like say transmission using   X over ssh and it's downloading a iso... then i close the window, it would close the transmission on the server right?  (i want to be able to run transmission, make it dl a iso, close the ssh, and come back (meaning ssh back in later) and see if it's finished downloading.
[19:28] <Unit193> Yes, that would close and shutdown the application.
[19:31] <thiefy> is there a way to make it not do that? heh.
[19:32] <Unit193> Does transmission have a daemon mode?
[19:35] <thiefy> yeah, it looks like it does. good thinking. thanks.   :    quantal (net): lightweight BitTorrent client (command line programs)
[19:35] <thiefy> 2.61-0ubuntu2: amd64 i386
[19:36] <thiefy> ^ that's transmission package.
[19:56] <thiefy> holstein,  i have vino installed, i did the preferences thingy too. but i can't connect to it.  how do i know it is running at boot? and ready to accept my connection before login to the desktop?
[19:57] <thiefy> holstein,  the preferences don't let me tweak much... like the port and stuff, so i'm assuming it's the default 5900 port...
[19:57] <Unit193> You can check with netstat, and can check if it's even running with  ps aux | grep vino
[19:58] <thiefy> mika@comcrap ~ $ ps ax | grep vino
[19:58] <thiefy>  1458 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --colour=auto vino
[19:58] <thiefy> that's all i get.
[19:58] <thiefy> so i think that means it's not running.
[19:58] <thiefy> of course...
[19:59] <thiefy> i want it to run right at boot - before i have to login to the computer.
[20:00] <Unit193> !info transmission-daemon
[20:01] <Unit193> thiefy: I've never used vino, but I'd try having it run after lightdm with upstart.
[20:03] <thiefy> uhh, i have a computer that is headless.  when the computer boots, i want to be able to vnc to it.  i can't go over to it, log in, then run back to my client computer and then do the vnc to it.
[20:11] <kiwo> bye
[20:12] <Unit193> (I don't do that either, I use ssh)
[20:13] <thiefy> is there a way to ssh into it and do some command to log it into the desktop?
[20:14] <Unit193> Well, you can start VNC, but there's no point to doing that when you can have that on autostart.
[20:14] <thiefy> vnc doesn't start unless i login. that's the problem.
[20:15] <Unit193> It's all in how it's setup.
[20:15] <thiefy> if i go over to the computer, login to the desktop, go back to the client - then do vnc, it's fine. but i don't want to have to do that.
[20:16] <Unit193> So if you setup vnc (via vino, or x11vnc after lightdm), you shouldn't have that issue.
[20:16] <thiefy> i have setup vnc many times, x11vnc and vino - they work great AFTER i log into the desktop...
[20:18] <Unit193> So if you use the method in http://seb.so/vnc-from-boot-without-logging-in-ubuntu-lubuntu-xubuntu-and-mint-lmde/  (again, not the Lubuntu/LXDM method!)  it doesn't work?
[20:19] <thiefy> right.
[20:19] <thiefy> i read that page, and i didn't do it cause        Put this in /etc/lxdm/LoginReady:       that part i stopped at cause that file or anything like it doesn't exist.
[20:19] <thiefy> if i do     ls /etc/lxdm       or ls /etc/lxde     both return nothing (the folders don't exist)
[20:19] <thiefy> that's why i said screw it to those instructions.
[20:21] <Unit193> That's why I've said twice to ignore the Lubuntu/lxdm part of it.......
[20:21] <Unit193> Lubuntu doesn't use LXDM, they use lightdm.
[20:27]  * genii-around slides everyone a really strong coffee