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chenghi, is it ok when cross compile i am using glibc from compiler version and during runtime using glibc from ubuntu-core?04:19
chengthe program is able to  run with ubuntu-core dynamic libraries.04:19
rampage73I followed the info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation everything seems to go smoothly until ubuntu splash screen then it goes dark and nothing have waited around 24 minutes now, any ideas?04:42
nexus7userdoes anyoneone know when i may expect to see an image of ubuntu for tablets, for my nexus 7?04:43
nexus7usersome on the web say as early as tomorrow?04:45
quinafaik there are testing images you can install now04:46
nexus7userhow may i get an image, and a little how to?04:46
quinofficially it really isn't until later this year04:46
lilstevienexus7user, technically today :p it is the 21st in the UK04:46
rampage73nexus7user, according to the link I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation you can install it now however I have tried it twice now and it seems to be not working04:46
nexus7useri know!04:46
quini can't really tell you more than that, i don't have an n704:47
* lilstevie is waiting super impatiently for ubuntu for phone images to appear04:47
rampage73I second lilstevie04:48
nexus7useri have been to that site.. i know that an earlier port of the desktop client came out moths ago, i am afraid that this is an outdated tutorial04:48
rampage73anyone here have experience with the nexus 7 installer for ubuntu? I am stuck04:49
rampage73it was last updated today (according to the site)04:49
nexus7userrampage, are you trying to install the official ubuntu for tablets?04:50
lilstevierampage73, I would wait tbh04:52
lilstevierampage73, the nexus 7 installer installs ubuntu-arm, ubuntu for tablets will be much better :p04:52
rampage73I know lilstevie I am just impatient figured this would get me by until then! ;)04:53
nexus7userlilstevie, do you know when an image will be available?04:53
lilsteviesometime today04:54
nexus7userdo you know what to expect?04:54
nexus7usergraphical installer?04:54
lilstevieI am no more in the loop than you :p04:54
nexus7userdo you have an n7?04:55
lilstevienope04:55
lilstevieI plan on hacking the image up until it works on my device :)04:55
nexus7useroh cool04:55
nexus7userwhat do you have?04:55
lilstevieI have a TF20104:55
lilstevieand an Xperia T04:56
rampage73lilstevie, am I understanding you correctly, ubuntu is releasing tablet edition today?04:56
nexus7useri wonder if i should stay up all night...04:56
lilstevierampage73, and phone04:56
nexus7userthats what they say04:56
rampage73well then I guess I can wait that long! is it on their site?04:57
nexus7userhow do we talk to someone who is in the loop?04:57
rampage73sorry I mean will it be on their site04:57
lilsteviethey are releasing images for GNex,Nex4/7/1004:57
lilsteviefirst 2 being ubuntu for phones and the latter for tablets04:57
rampage73sweet I can try it on my phone too!04:57
lilstevierampage73, from what I hear it will be -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess04:57
rampage73lilstevie, you are more in the loop than I! and thank you!04:58
lilstevierampage73, heh, just what news sites post :p04:58
nexus7useri wish they would post what time too lol04:59
rampage73lilstevie, I know my tired eyes somehow missed that, thanks and goodnight!04:59
nexus7userill give you my number, and text me when they post it05:00
LisaNoriSo, for those of us using the multirom dual boot, is there a way to load the new image for nex7 and then fix it up to work correctly with multirom, or do we need to get a specific multirom capable image?05:00
nexus7useri think we are looking at a whole new bag of chips here05:01
nexus7usernow hopefully i can put ubuntu on my iphone05:06
nexus7usertough crowd05:07
dholbachgood morning06:47
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hrwdholbach: hi Daniel08:57
hrwdholbach: nexus4 got into hands of new owner ;)08:58
ogra_you gave it away ?08:58
ogra_sad08:58
dholbachhrw, :-)08:58
hrwogra_: I still have mine08:58
ogra_ah, another one08:59
ogra_great, spread them !08:59
ogra_google HW is the best .... if you install ubuntu on it :)08:59
hrwogra_: s/ubuntu/cyanogenmod/ and I will agree with you08:59
ogra_pfft09:00
ogra_silly android stuff09:00
hrwogra_: I will test that ubuntu phone image one day but beware complaints on my blog09:00
XorAsomeone needs to make Dalvik run under proper gnu/linux base and have best of both worlds :-D09:01
suihkulokkiif android is so silly, why do coattail on the android hw adaption layer ;)09:01
ogra_hrw, well, its not an enduser image so dont be to harsh09:01
ogra_suihkulokki, ask the vendors09:01
hrwogra_: ;)09:02
hrwogra_: can I atleast make a call with it? will both sides hear each other and be able to understand? text messages? taking and sharing pictures on google+?09:04
XorAhrw: sacrilege no open phone should make phonecalls ;-)09:04
hrwXorA: who called nexus4 an open phone?09:05
ogra_i think you can make calls ... and i think there is a working browser so G+ should register as html5 app09:05
ogra_but not sure, i havent tested it myself at all09:05
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* vibhav sometimes winders why arm had so many build failures 13:24
vibhavWonders*13:24
vibhavs/had/has/13:24
ogra_because of hardcoded assumptions from programmers13:25
vibhavLike?13:25
ogra_like that the world only consists of x86 PCs13:26
ogra_the build failure situation isnt much worse than for powerpc or other non x86 arches13:27
ogra_in fact in ubuntu arm nowadays does better than ppc i think13:27
TheMusoWell of course, there are few people caring about powerpc these days.13:29
vibhavogra_: AFAIK, the assumptions you are talking about are stuff datatype sizes, right?13:30
vibhavI have heard of ugly code which assumes byte order (shrieks)13:31
vibhavstuff like*13:31
TheMusoGoing from x86 to arm doesn't require endianness changes, at least I don't think so.13:35
TheMusoI've never adjusted anything that close to the metal for arm so far.13:35
nilsBpeople are waiting for Touch Developer Preview. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess?action=info&hitcounts=113:41
ogra_great, isnt it :)13:43
xnoxwell armhw doesn't have unalligned memory access, one can trigger it but it hinders performance.13:44
nilsBogra_, yeah great. the wiki home page has an daily average of 3100 page hits. now we have about 53800 after half a day.13:50
nilsBon the page TouchInstallProcess13:50
nilsBunfortunately on the page hits are moving at the moment...13:51
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SailorMoonNo Ubuntu Mobile release today?14:22
SailorMoonI feel betrayed by the Media14:22
TassadarIt's still today)14:24
SailorMoonCan someone make it right now?14:24
SailorMoonI have to work tonight14:24
SailorMoonlol <314:24
Tassadarogra_: you here?14:24
SailorMoonAssuming i like it (Totally will?) ill probably become a regular here.14:25
ogra_Tassadar, well, with half a toe only, #ubunti-phone keeps me busy today14:25
ogra_*#ubuntu-phone14:25
SailorMoonwhich ubuntu is so open, if theres something i dont like i can just change it, right?14:25
Tassadarokay, hopefuly short one: you had some problems regarding ext4 filesystem on n7, right? It got corrupted because of ...fsck it was?14:26
Tassadarooh, no, it was because of resizing the filesystem to fit the partition14:28
SailorMoonDoes Ubuntu Phone/Tablet do anything when connected to PC?14:29
ogra_Tassadar, exactly14:29
SailorMoonbecause the Daily "desktop" builds didnt, just curious14:29
ogra_SailorMoon, the nexus7 desktop image  definitely does14:30
Tassadardid you found out why? is it the bootloader?14:30
ogra_Tassadar, nope, didnt14:30
Tassadark, thanks14:30
SailorMoonit didnt for me, it seemed to once (Windows notification sound) bu ti unplugged it and it never did it again14:30
ogra_oh, on windows14:32
ogra_well, you can use putty (if you have the right driver i guess) to log in via usb14:32
ogra_or you can set up an usbnet connection (assuming win needs a special driver for this too)14:33
ogra_both works OOTB on an ubuntu machine14:33
SailorMoonlol14:33
SailorMoonWill it always be like that?14:33
SailorMoonSurely not?14:33
SailorMoonUbuntu for Phone/Tablet is meant to be "Extremely" user friendly, right?14:33
ogra_right, but the nexus7 image isnt ubuntu phone14:34
SailorMoonYour going to get a lot of people in here "How do i put music on my blahblah?"14:34
ogra_its ubuntu desktop on a tablet device :)14:34
SailorMoonI know, i mean14:34
SailorMoonis the Ubuntu for Tablets14:34
SailorMoongoing to do it better?14:34
TassadarI would guess it would do MTP mode like android later on, it wasn't priority for n7's image14:34
SailorMooni can alwyas set up an FTP server i guess14:34
SailorMoonhave you used it?14:35
SailorMoonIve seen Skype in the side stand thingy, but i can't imagine that not having a huge impact on performance?14:35
Tassadarused what?14:36
SailorMoonUbuntu for Tablets14:36
SailorMoonon the N714:36
ogra_its not out yet14:36
SailorMoonI know, but surely some people have used it14:36
TassadarI'm not "from Ubuntu" :)14:36
ogra_see all the buzz in #ubuntu-phone14:36
SailorMoonive seen one or two media sites with screenshots ive never seen before claiming to have used it14:36
Tassadarthere's video on engadget where they show it on n1014:37
SailorMoonfound this link on a german site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess14:37
ogra_yeah, that will update once it is released14:38
SailorMoon"To finish installing updates, Windows must restart" ._. brb guys <3 lol14:38
SailorMooni applaud you, ogra_.15:02
ogra_heh15:03
SailorMoonFirst linux user i've met that didnt insta-hate me for being a Windows user on Desktop15:03
ogra_:)15:03
SailorMoonTruthfully i hate Windows, i just can't use Linux/Ubuntu. i'm too lazy to learn lol15:04
ogra_hmm, then we are not good enough yet15:04
SailorMoonSmeday Microsoft will make the bold move of Limiting what we're allowed to run, theyre heading that way now15:04
SailorMoonAnd thats when i will switch15:04
SailorMoonhey ogra_: Will you answer a question for me thats completely irelevant to Ubuntu or ARM lol15:14
ogra_we'll never know if you dont ask it15:15
vibhavSailorMoon: never ask to ask15:15
SailorMoonlol i only asked to ask becuase its completely off topic lol15:17
SailorMoonI have an ASUS Board with a Power mode, which clocks my CPU From 3.6Ghz to 4.3Ghz15:18
SailorMoonBut my PC would freeze at random, usually after like 20 minutes15:18
SailorMoonthe temps were fine, and it didnt matter if the PC was idle, or doing some intense gaming15:18
SailorMoonSo why was it freezing?15:18
SailorMoonMy guess is the board was trying to clock the ram in a way that wasnt supported?15:19
ogra_well, i would suggest running the memtest that ubuntu installs into your bootmenu ... if you woudl run ubuntu15:21
SailorMoonI could make a bootable usb15:22
SailorMoonit comes with a memtest15:22
SailorMooninfact my Bios might even have one15:22
SailorMooni think Windows has one now, too. not sure15:22
ogra_well, if your fans run fine i would blame the ram rather than the cpu15:23
SailorMoonthats what i was thinking15:23
SailorMoonif it was CPU, it would be more likely to freeze when clocked up15:23
SailorMoonthen sitting idle15:23
SailorMoonis it possible to clock CPU without clocking memory? (Im an OC noob.)15:24
SailorMoon"dram" is my Ram clock settings right?15:25
SailorMooni think i could try switching it from Automatic to Manual in my bios?15:25
ogra_dunno, i'm an arm guy15:25
ogra_my only PC doesnt run overclocked15:25
SailorMoonso you wouldnt know anything about this GPU Boost switch on my board?15:26
SailorMoonlol15:26
SailorMoonim scared of it, too15:26
TassadarIt is possible the CPU/memory just can't handle frequency soo high15:26
SailorMoonyeah the CPU said 3.6Ghz (3.9Ghz Turbo) whatever turbo means15:26
SailorMoonand i had it at 4.315:26
SailorMoonBut it ran fine and kept a decent temp15:26
SailorMoonHow many more hours15:32
SailorMoonone? six?15:32
SailorMoonlol meant to type that in #ubuntu-phone15:32
SailorMoonBut oh well15:32
* Tassadar flips a coin15:32
SailorMoonTabs, Tabs everywhere15:32
* Tassadar flips a tablet?15:33
sveinseIs there a way I can run tar & gzip in initramfs? I've installed a custom initramfs script and uses tar gz. I fail to include /bin/gzip as busybox provides this, but tar is unable to use the version provided by busybox15:35
ogra_sveinse, take a look at ac100-tarball-installer source15:36
ogra_specifically at the initramfs scripts and hooks15:36
sveinsethanks, I'll do that15:37
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sveinseheh. You divert the bulk of the stock initramfs scripts. :)15:42
ogra_i thought you took that diversion stuff a while ago already15:43
sveinseYes. I'm using diversion for other things. It was just a comment. The interesting thing is that the purpose of your package is not too far away from what I'm working on.15:46
sveinseMgmt does not like that our product uses 40minutes to upgrade from natty->precise, so we're working on replacing the entire filesystem with rm and tar15:47
sveinsezcat did it. Thanks ogra_15:53
SailorMoonhey ogra_, the wiki is down for me16:12
ogra_works fine for me16:12
SailorMoonInternal Server Error  The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.  Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@ubuntu.com16:12
SailorMoonCan you help me get the download? T~T16:12
SailorMoonohh, its working now16:12
SailorMoonmust be stress on the server16:13
SailorMoonAnd ofc, no windows install Method16:13
SailorMoonWhy didnt you tell me i couldnt it install it in windows16:15
SailorMoonive waited two days for nothing16:15
ogra_SailorMoon, i think you can, using fastboot and adb16:16
ogra_ask in the phone channel the devs are around16:16
TassadarI believe there's flashable ZIP on the download page16:16
Tassadarand the whole thing is based on cyanogenmod Oo16:17
SailorMoonnope16:18
SailorMoonThey dont have the images linked16:18
SailorMoonand nobody is answering me16:18
SailorMoonim so close to just spamming the channel =/16:18
Tassadarhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/16:18
rsalvetiSailorMoon: you can install at any os that has adb on it16:19
rsalvetiand fastboot16:19
SailorMoonI know16:19
rsalvetiif you have clockworkmod at your phone, just grab our zip images16:19
SailorMoonThanks to Tassadar, i finally have the images16:19
SailorMoonHowever16:20
SailorMoonthis is different then what im used to16:20
SailorMoondo i just install this with clockworrk16:20
rsalvetiyou can :-)16:21
rsalvetithat's what the phablet tools will do in the end16:21
SailorMoonWhy the small file size16:21
rsalvetihttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip + http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip16:21
rsalvetifor example16:21
rsalvetiinstall the first one first, and then the second16:21
rsalvetilike any normal zip via clockwork16:21
rsalvetireboot and be happy16:21
SailorMoonSo wait..16:21
SailorMoonyou just confused me16:22
SailorMoonwhat do i do with quantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip16:22
SailorMoonohhh16:22
SailorMooni gotcha16:22
SailorMooni get it now16:22
SailorMoondamn, for all these people downloading the images, you guys have a lot of bandwidth lol16:22
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SailorMoonSo install device specific zip first, then armhf 2nd16:23
SailorMoonand then party?16:23
Tassadarooh, it's split up into two16:23
ogra_you could party *while* flashing16:24
Tassadarno wonder it's not booting)16:24
SailorMoonlol16:24
rsalvetiSailorMoon: yeah16:24
SailorMoonSee my idea to prevent having to zip files was to have the device rom download the rest16:24
SailorMoonbut this works too lol16:24
SailorMoonhaving to download two zip files*16:24
SailorMooni re-overclocked, ogra_.16:25
SailorMoonhere's hoping i finish the download before i freeze16:25
TassadarI wonder why is there recovery image16:27
SailorMoonOkay so question16:28
SailorMoonif the zip goes in /userdata16:28
SailorMoonhow does that work exactly16:28
SailorMoonwhen /userdata is formated16:28
SailorMoonloads into memory or something?16:28
Tassadarwhat?16:28
SailorMoonthe large zip formats your internal memory16:29
SailorMoonwhich is where the .zip is stored16:29
Tassadarno, it doesn't16:29
SailorMoonyes, it does. lol16:29
Tassadaryou have to wipe it in recovery16:29
rsalvetiTassadar: we have a recovery so we can auto-flash with our tools16:29
Tassadaroh, right, that would be it16:29
SailorMoonim confused T~T16:30
rsalvetibut it's basically the clockworkmod one16:30
SailorMoondo i use sideload then?16:30
SailorMoonor what?16:30
Tassadarhave you ever flashed any Android ROM?16:30
SailorMoonYes16:30
SailorMoonbut they write to /system16:30
SailorMoonnot /data16:30
Tassadarthen you know you have to wipe /data16:30
SailorMoonnot always16:30
Tassadarwell, no, but this is completely different thing, so you have to16:31
SailorMoonCopying, Lalala16:32
SailorMoonrebooting into recovery, lala16:33
SailorMoonwipining system and data, lala16:33
SailorMooninstalling zips16:34
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SailorMoonstill installing zips (lol)16:36
Tassadarit's a big file and does a lot of extracting, probably will take much longer than usual16:37
SailorMoonit just finished16:37
SailorMooni think theres some dev info left on these roms16:37
SailorMoonConsidering i have 14 tweets recieved16:38
ogra_heh16:39
SailorMoonmany contacts, phone numbers, accounts16:39
SailorMoonstill on these roms16:39
ogra_its a demo16:39
ogra_it has demo data on it16:39
SailorMoon:P16:39
SailorMoonLies <316:39
ogra_on purpose16:39
SailorMoonlol okay16:39
SailorMoonso your saying icant really call Chris wayne?16:40
ogra_you could just wait until he drops into the channel here :)16:40
SailorMoonlol16:41
SailorMoonim going to call him whenever i need help now16:41
SailorMoon(totally kidding)16:41
ogra_he is cwayne in here if he is around :)16:41
SailorMoonWifi isnt working16:41
SailorMoonNvm, just got it16:43
SailorMoonno "app store"?16:44
SailorMooni have to be honest, its hard to find anything on this16:45
SailorMoonseems to be no settings page16:47
ogra_well, there isnt much to find yet16:47
ogra_pull down the top panel ...16:47
ogra_it has the settings16:47
SailorMoonthats it, though?16:47
SailorMoonSearch button appears to only work once16:49
SailorMoonor no, its page specific?16:49
SailorMoonim a bit disapointed16:52
SailorMooni know its not complete, but i still expected a TON more even in a dev build16:53
SailorMoonthis is practically feature-less16:53
ogra_its a develloper *preview* ... a framework for devs to work in16:54
ogra_not for endusers16:54
SailorMoonI know16:54
SailorMoonMy PC hasnt frozen yet16:55
Tassadaryaaay, dual-booted)17:14
Tassadarhah, gmail thinks it's iphone)17:17
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wookeyOK, so in upstart-world where do I set ttyAMA0 to have a getty run on it in init?18:29
xnoxwookey: add your own job =) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto18:31
wookeyI have no inittab to poke18:31
wookeycheers18:31
wookeyand if a boot with upstart --verbose stops at mountall.sh does that probably mean it worked, I just have no getty?18:32
wookeyyeee-ha! a prompt18:43
wookeywhat's the root password of a deboostrapped raring?18:43
ogra_root is locked18:44
wookeyhmm. so I need to do an init=/bin/sh boot and set a password?18:46
ogra_yeah, i usually do that when bootstrapping ... but indeed you need to know it in advance18:47
wookeyI was so excited, for just a moment....18:48
wookeytrying again....18:49
wookeycjwatson: xnox doko: arm64 deboostrapped image booted in simulator :-) good job all round19:06
* ogra_ applauds19:07
wookeyfix nspr->nss->curl->gnupg->apt and cloog-ppl->gcc and we could start native building (very slowly)19:07
wookey(doko already told me what the cloog issue is - should be an easy fix)19:08
wookeyI seem to have a few commands that are still using libc2.16. rebuilding19:09
Tassadarwhoa, that ubuntu tablet preview looks like it is cyanogenmod with chroot and the UI stuff running in it19:22
TassadarI suppose that is just because the ubuntu core isn't ready yet...?19:23
rsalvetiTassadar: that's because we're using the android binaries19:26
rsalvetiand some other minor services19:27
Tassadarso, will it stay like that?19:27
davmor2ogra_: you about still?19:38
ogra_davmor2, well, with half an eye, so much going on in the phone channel19:38
davmor2ogra_: on the tab, open dash, goto the apps lens, and right click on an uninstalled app.  then check the memory on software-center-dbus  I just want to check if it is as high on the tab as it is on the desktop19:40
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rsalvetiTassadar: for now yes, but we can get rid of that once we have working driver running at the ubuntu side19:56
Tassadarokay, thanks, I guessed it would be something like that19:57
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baggershi all, I have a nexus 7 with ubuntu desktop version installed. Do I have to restore android before I flahs the ubuntu tablet image? Or is there a way to get adb running under ubuntu desktop?21:56
ogra_baggers, no, but the desktop install doesnt toouch the recovery partition21:57
ogra_if you boot into recovery from the bootloader screen you have adb21:58
ogra_baggers, try this guide http://sergiusens.github.com/posts/installing-ubuntu-touch-preview-on-the-nexus-7-with-ubuntu-on-it.html21:59
ogra_(and tell me if it worked ... if it doesnt you can still go back to android)21:59
baggerssweet, I'll try that now, cheers!21:59
xnoxwookey: uploaded fixed nspr21:59
baggersogra_: The steps all seemed to work but I get a back screen when I boot :(22:25
baggersI'll have another go!22:25
sergiusensbaggers: hey, before sideloading can you go to the mounts menu and wipe/format userdata>22:40
sergiusensbaggers: sdcard to just in case22:41
baggerssergiusens: Turns out I just hadn't waited long enough before running adb reboot. I will flash again soon and format userdata just to see if there is any difference, thanks again!23:05
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