=== zz_chihchun is now known as chihchun === doko_ is now known as doko === hays_ is now known as hays [04:19] hi, is it ok when cross compile i am using glibc from compiler version and during runtime using glibc from ubuntu-core? [04:19] the program is able to run with ubuntu-core dynamic libraries. [04:42] I followed the info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation everything seems to go smoothly until ubuntu splash screen then it goes dark and nothing have waited around 24 minutes now, any ideas? [04:43] does anyoneone know when i may expect to see an image of ubuntu for tablets, for my nexus 7? [04:45] some on the web say as early as tomorrow? [04:46] afaik there are testing images you can install now [04:46] how may i get an image, and a little how to? [04:46] officially it really isn't until later this year [04:46] nexus7user, technically today :p it is the 21st in the UK [04:46] nexus7user, according to the link I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation you can install it now however I have tried it twice now and it seems to be not working [04:46] i know! [04:47] i can't really tell you more than that, i don't have an n7 [04:47] * lilstevie is waiting super impatiently for ubuntu for phone images to appear [04:48] I second lilstevie [04:48] i have been to that site.. i know that an earlier port of the desktop client came out moths ago, i am afraid that this is an outdated tutorial [04:49] anyone here have experience with the nexus 7 installer for ubuntu? I am stuck [04:49] it was last updated today (according to the site) [04:50] rampage, are you trying to install the official ubuntu for tablets? [04:52] rampage73, I would wait tbh [04:52] rampage73, the nexus 7 installer installs ubuntu-arm, ubuntu for tablets will be much better :p [04:53] I know lilstevie I am just impatient figured this would get me by until then! ;) [04:53] lilstevie, do you know when an image will be available? [04:54] sometime today [04:54] do you know what to expect? [04:54] graphical installer? [04:54] I am no more in the loop than you :p [04:55] do you have an n7? [04:55] nope [04:55] I plan on hacking the image up until it works on my device :) [04:55] oh cool [04:55] what do you have? [04:55] I have a TF201 [04:56] and an Xperia T [04:56] lilstevie, am I understanding you correctly, ubuntu is releasing tablet edition today? [04:56] i wonder if i should stay up all night... [04:56] rampage73, and phone [04:56] thats what they say [04:57] well then I guess I can wait that long! is it on their site? [04:57] how do we talk to someone who is in the loop? [04:57] sorry I mean will it be on their site [04:57] they are releasing images for GNex,Nex4/7/10 [04:57] first 2 being ubuntu for phones and the latter for tablets [04:57] sweet I can try it on my phone too! [04:57] rampage73, from what I hear it will be -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess [04:58] lilstevie, you are more in the loop than I! and thank you! [04:58] rampage73, heh, just what news sites post :p [04:59] i wish they would post what time too lol [04:59] lilstevie, I know my tired eyes somehow missed that, thanks and goodnight! [05:00] ill give you my number, and text me when they post it [05:00] So, for those of us using the multirom dual boot, is there a way to load the new image for nex7 and then fix it up to work correctly with multirom, or do we need to get a specific multirom capable image? [05:01] i think we are looking at a whole new bag of chips here [05:06] now hopefully i can put ubuntu on my iphone [05:07] tough crowd [06:47] good morning === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ === XorA|gone is now known as XorA [08:57] dholbach: hi Daniel [08:58] dholbach: nexus4 got into hands of new owner ;) [08:58] you gave it away ? [08:58] sad [08:58] hrw, :-) [08:58] ogra_: I still have mine [08:59] ah, another one [08:59] great, spread them ! [08:59] google HW is the best .... if you install ubuntu on it :) [08:59] ogra_: s/ubuntu/cyanogenmod/ and I will agree with you [09:00] pfft [09:00] silly android stuff [09:00] ogra_: I will test that ubuntu phone image one day but beware complaints on my blog [09:01] someone needs to make Dalvik run under proper gnu/linux base and have best of both worlds :-D [09:01] if android is so silly, why do coattail on the android hw adaption layer ;) [09:01] hrw, well, its not an enduser image so dont be to harsh [09:01] suihkulokki, ask the vendors [09:02] ogra_: ;) [09:04] ogra_: can I atleast make a call with it? will both sides hear each other and be able to understand? text messages? taking and sharing pictures on google+? [09:04] hrw: sacrilege no open phone should make phonecalls ;-) [09:05] XorA: who called nexus4 an open phone? [09:05] i think you can make calls ... and i think there is a working browser so G+ should register as html5 app [09:05] but not sure, i havent tested it myself at all === chihchun is now known as zz_chihchun === zz_chihchun is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as zz_chihchun === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === XorA is now known as XorA|gone [13:24] * vibhav sometimes winders why arm had so many build failures [13:24] Wonders* [13:24] s/had/has/ [13:25] because of hardcoded assumptions from programmers [13:25] Like? [13:26] like that the world only consists of x86 PCs [13:27] the build failure situation isnt much worse than for powerpc or other non x86 arches [13:27] in fact in ubuntu arm nowadays does better than ppc i think [13:29] Well of course, there are few people caring about powerpc these days. [13:30] ogra_: AFAIK, the assumptions you are talking about are stuff datatype sizes, right? [13:31] I have heard of ugly code which assumes byte order (shrieks) [13:31] stuff like* [13:35] Going from x86 to arm doesn't require endianness changes, at least I don't think so. [13:35] I've never adjusted anything that close to the metal for arm so far. [13:41] people are waiting for Touch Developer Preview. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess?action=info&hitcounts=1 [13:43] great, isnt it :) [13:44] well armhw doesn't have unalligned memory access, one can trigger it but it hinders performance. [13:50] ogra_, yeah great. the wiki home page has an daily average of 3100 page hits. now we have about 53800 after half a day. [13:50] on the page TouchInstallProcess [13:51] unfortunately on the page hits are moving at the moment... === scrts_ is now known as scrts [14:22] No Ubuntu Mobile release today? [14:22] I feel betrayed by the Media [14:24] It's still today) [14:24] Can someone make it right now? [14:24] I have to work tonight [14:24] lol <3 [14:24] ogra_: you here? [14:25] Assuming i like it (Totally will?) ill probably become a regular here. [14:25] Tassadar, well, with half a toe only, #ubunti-phone keeps me busy today [14:25] *#ubuntu-phone [14:25] which ubuntu is so open, if theres something i dont like i can just change it, right? [14:26] okay, hopefuly short one: you had some problems regarding ext4 filesystem on n7, right? It got corrupted because of ...fsck it was? [14:28] ooh, no, it was because of resizing the filesystem to fit the partition [14:29] Does Ubuntu Phone/Tablet do anything when connected to PC? [14:29] Tassadar, exactly [14:29] because the Daily "desktop" builds didnt, just curious [14:30] SailorMoon, the nexus7 desktop image definitely does [14:30] did you found out why? is it the bootloader? [14:30] Tassadar, nope, didnt [14:30] k, thanks [14:30] it didnt for me, it seemed to once (Windows notification sound) bu ti unplugged it and it never did it again [14:32] oh, on windows [14:32] well, you can use putty (if you have the right driver i guess) to log in via usb [14:33] or you can set up an usbnet connection (assuming win needs a special driver for this too) [14:33] both works OOTB on an ubuntu machine [14:33] lol [14:33] Will it always be like that? [14:33] Surely not? [14:33] Ubuntu for Phone/Tablet is meant to be "Extremely" user friendly, right? [14:34] right, but the nexus7 image isnt ubuntu phone [14:34] Your going to get a lot of people in here "How do i put music on my blahblah?" [14:34] its ubuntu desktop on a tablet device :) [14:34] I know, i mean [14:34] is the Ubuntu for Tablets [14:34] going to do it better? [14:34] I would guess it would do MTP mode like android later on, it wasn't priority for n7's image [14:34] i can alwyas set up an FTP server i guess [14:35] have you used it? [14:35] Ive seen Skype in the side stand thingy, but i can't imagine that not having a huge impact on performance? [14:36] used what? [14:36] Ubuntu for Tablets [14:36] on the N7 [14:36] its not out yet [14:36] I know, but surely some people have used it [14:36] I'm not "from Ubuntu" :) [14:36] see all the buzz in #ubuntu-phone [14:36] ive seen one or two media sites with screenshots ive never seen before claiming to have used it [14:37] there's video on engadget where they show it on n10 [14:37] found this link on a german site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess [14:38] yeah, that will update once it is released [14:38] "To finish installing updates, Windows must restart" ._. brb guys <3 lol [15:02] i applaud you, ogra_. [15:03] heh [15:03] First linux user i've met that didnt insta-hate me for being a Windows user on Desktop [15:03] :) [15:04] Truthfully i hate Windows, i just can't use Linux/Ubuntu. i'm too lazy to learn lol [15:04] hmm, then we are not good enough yet [15:04] Smeday Microsoft will make the bold move of Limiting what we're allowed to run, theyre heading that way now [15:04] And thats when i will switch [15:14] hey ogra_: Will you answer a question for me thats completely irelevant to Ubuntu or ARM lol [15:15] we'll never know if you dont ask it [15:15] SailorMoon: never ask to ask [15:17] lol i only asked to ask becuase its completely off topic lol [15:18] I have an ASUS Board with a Power mode, which clocks my CPU From 3.6Ghz to 4.3Ghz [15:18] But my PC would freeze at random, usually after like 20 minutes [15:18] the temps were fine, and it didnt matter if the PC was idle, or doing some intense gaming [15:18] So why was it freezing? [15:19] My guess is the board was trying to clock the ram in a way that wasnt supported? [15:21] well, i would suggest running the memtest that ubuntu installs into your bootmenu ... if you woudl run ubuntu [15:22] I could make a bootable usb [15:22] it comes with a memtest [15:22] infact my Bios might even have one [15:22] i think Windows has one now, too. not sure [15:23] well, if your fans run fine i would blame the ram rather than the cpu [15:23] thats what i was thinking [15:23] if it was CPU, it would be more likely to freeze when clocked up [15:23] then sitting idle [15:24] is it possible to clock CPU without clocking memory? (Im an OC noob.) [15:25] "dram" is my Ram clock settings right? [15:25] i think i could try switching it from Automatic to Manual in my bios? [15:25] dunno, i'm an arm guy [15:25] my only PC doesnt run overclocked [15:26] so you wouldnt know anything about this GPU Boost switch on my board? [15:26] lol [15:26] im scared of it, too [15:26] It is possible the CPU/memory just can't handle frequency soo high [15:26] yeah the CPU said 3.6Ghz (3.9Ghz Turbo) whatever turbo means [15:26] and i had it at 4.3 [15:26] But it ran fine and kept a decent temp [15:32] How many more hours [15:32] one? six? [15:32] lol meant to type that in #ubuntu-phone [15:32] But oh well [15:32] * Tassadar flips a coin [15:32] Tabs, Tabs everywhere [15:33] * Tassadar flips a tablet? [15:35] Is there a way I can run tar & gzip in initramfs? I've installed a custom initramfs script and uses tar gz. I fail to include /bin/gzip as busybox provides this, but tar is unable to use the version provided by busybox [15:36] sveinse, take a look at ac100-tarball-installer source [15:36] specifically at the initramfs scripts and hooks [15:37] thanks, I'll do that === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi === k1l_ is now known as k1l [15:42] heh. You divert the bulk of the stock initramfs scripts. :) [15:43] i thought you took that diversion stuff a while ago already [15:46] Yes. I'm using diversion for other things. It was just a comment. The interesting thing is that the purpose of your package is not too far away from what I'm working on. [15:47] Mgmt does not like that our product uses 40minutes to upgrade from natty->precise, so we're working on replacing the entire filesystem with rm and tar [15:53] zcat did it. Thanks ogra_ [16:12] hey ogra_, the wiki is down for me [16:12] works fine for me [16:12] Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@ubuntu.com [16:12] Can you help me get the download? T~T [16:12] ohh, its working now [16:13] must be stress on the server [16:13] And ofc, no windows install Method [16:15] Why didnt you tell me i couldnt it install it in windows [16:15] ive waited two days for nothing [16:16] SailorMoon, i think you can, using fastboot and adb [16:16] ask in the phone channel the devs are around [16:16] I believe there's flashable ZIP on the download page [16:17] and the whole thing is based on cyanogenmod Oo [16:18] nope [16:18] They dont have the images linked [16:18] and nobody is answering me [16:18] im so close to just spamming the channel =/ [16:18] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/ [16:19] SailorMoon: you can install at any os that has adb on it [16:19] and fastboot [16:19] I know [16:19] if you have clockworkmod at your phone, just grab our zip images [16:19] Thanks to Tassadar, i finally have the images [16:20] However [16:20] this is different then what im used to [16:20] do i just install this with clockworrk [16:21] you can :-) [16:21] that's what the phablet tools will do in the end [16:21] Why the small file size [16:21] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip + http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip [16:21] for example [16:21] install the first one first, and then the second [16:21] like any normal zip via clockwork [16:21] reboot and be happy [16:21] So wait.. [16:22] you just confused me [16:22] what do i do with quantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip [16:22] ohhh [16:22] i gotcha [16:22] i get it now [16:22] damn, for all these people downloading the images, you guys have a lot of bandwidth lol === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [16:23] So install device specific zip first, then armhf 2nd [16:23] and then party? [16:23] ooh, it's split up into two [16:24] you could party *while* flashing [16:24] no wonder it's not booting) [16:24] lol [16:24] SailorMoon: yeah [16:24] See my idea to prevent having to zip files was to have the device rom download the rest [16:24] but this works too lol [16:24] having to download two zip files* [16:25] i re-overclocked, ogra_. [16:25] here's hoping i finish the download before i freeze [16:27] I wonder why is there recovery image [16:28] Okay so question [16:28] if the zip goes in /userdata [16:28] how does that work exactly [16:28] when /userdata is formated [16:28] loads into memory or something? [16:28] what? [16:29] the large zip formats your internal memory [16:29] which is where the .zip is stored [16:29] no, it doesn't [16:29] yes, it does. lol [16:29] you have to wipe it in recovery [16:29] Tassadar: we have a recovery so we can auto-flash with our tools [16:29] oh, right, that would be it [16:30] im confused T~T [16:30] but it's basically the clockworkmod one [16:30] do i use sideload then? [16:30] or what? [16:30] have you ever flashed any Android ROM? [16:30] Yes [16:30] but they write to /system [16:30] not /data [16:30] then you know you have to wipe /data [16:30] not always [16:31] well, no, but this is completely different thing, so you have to [16:32] Copying, Lalala [16:33] rebooting into recovery, lala [16:33] wipining system and data, lala [16:34] installing zips === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ [16:36] still installing zips (lol) [16:37] it's a big file and does a lot of extracting, probably will take much longer than usual [16:37] it just finished [16:37] i think theres some dev info left on these roms [16:38] Considering i have 14 tweets recieved [16:39] heh [16:39] many contacts, phone numbers, accounts [16:39] still on these roms [16:39] its a demo [16:39] it has demo data on it [16:39] :P [16:39] Lies <3 [16:39] on purpose [16:39] lol okay [16:40] so your saying icant really call Chris wayne? [16:40] you could just wait until he drops into the channel here :) [16:41] lol [16:41] im going to call him whenever i need help now [16:41] (totally kidding) [16:41] he is cwayne in here if he is around :) [16:41] Wifi isnt working [16:43] Nvm, just got it [16:44] no "app store"? [16:45] i have to be honest, its hard to find anything on this [16:47] seems to be no settings page [16:47] well, there isnt much to find yet [16:47] pull down the top panel ... [16:47] it has the settings [16:47] thats it, though? [16:49] Search button appears to only work once [16:49] or no, its page specific? [16:52] im a bit disapointed [16:53] i know its not complete, but i still expected a TON more even in a dev build [16:53] this is practically feature-less [16:54] its a develloper *preview* ... a framework for devs to work in [16:54] not for endusers [16:54] I know [16:55] My PC hasnt frozen yet [17:14] yaaay, dual-booted) [17:17] hah, gmail thinks it's iphone) === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [18:29] OK, so in upstart-world where do I set ttyAMA0 to have a getty run on it in init? [18:31] wookey: add your own job =) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto [18:31] I have no inittab to poke [18:31] cheers [18:32] and if a boot with upstart --verbose stops at mountall.sh does that probably mean it worked, I just have no getty? [18:43] yeee-ha! a prompt [18:43] what's the root password of a deboostrapped raring? [18:44] root is locked [18:46] hmm. so I need to do an init=/bin/sh boot and set a password? [18:47] yeah, i usually do that when bootstrapping ... but indeed you need to know it in advance [18:48] I was so excited, for just a moment.... [18:49] trying again.... [19:06] cjwatson: xnox doko: arm64 deboostrapped image booted in simulator :-) good job all round [19:07] * ogra_ applauds [19:07] fix nspr->nss->curl->gnupg->apt and cloog-ppl->gcc and we could start native building (very slowly) [19:08] (doko already told me what the cloog issue is - should be an easy fix) [19:09] I seem to have a few commands that are still using libc2.16. rebuilding [19:22] whoa, that ubuntu tablet preview looks like it is cyanogenmod with chroot and the UI stuff running in it [19:23] I suppose that is just because the ubuntu core isn't ready yet...? [19:26] Tassadar: that's because we're using the android binaries [19:27] and some other minor services [19:27] so, will it stay like that? [19:38] ogra_: you about still? [19:38] davmor2, well, with half an eye, so much going on in the phone channel [19:40] ogra_: on the tab, open dash, goto the apps lens, and right click on an uninstalled app. then check the memory on software-center-dbus I just want to check if it is as high on the tab as it is on the desktop === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi [19:56] Tassadar: for now yes, but we can get rid of that once we have working driver running at the ubuntu side [19:57] okay, thanks, I guessed it would be something like that === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ [21:56] hi all, I have a nexus 7 with ubuntu desktop version installed. Do I have to restore android before I flahs the ubuntu tablet image? Or is there a way to get adb running under ubuntu desktop? [21:57] baggers, no, but the desktop install doesnt toouch the recovery partition [21:58] if you boot into recovery from the bootloader screen you have adb [21:59] baggers, try this guide http://sergiusens.github.com/posts/installing-ubuntu-touch-preview-on-the-nexus-7-with-ubuntu-on-it.html [21:59] (and tell me if it worked ... if it doesnt you can still go back to android) [21:59] sweet, I'll try that now, cheers! [21:59] wookey: uploaded fixed nspr [22:25] ogra_: The steps all seemed to work but I get a back screen when I boot :( [22:25] I'll have another go! [22:40] baggers: hey, before sideloading can you go to the mounts menu and wipe/format userdata> [22:41] baggers: sdcard to just in case [23:05] sergiusens: Turns out I just hadn't waited long enough before running adb reboot. I will flash again soon and format userdata just to see if there is any difference, thanks again! === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi