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ubottuKartagis called the ops in #ubuntu (alumno2314)09:11
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bazhang<samburg> hey guys where is daniel.holbach16:36
bazhangdholbach iirc16:36
DJonesYep it is16:37
k1lyep16:37
bazhangaww he quit16:37
ikoniait maybe the same guy who likes to make jokes about Daniel16:37
ikoniaasks where he is then says "oh, I thought he was in a gay bar with the fags"16:38
ikoniahe's been active again recently.16:38
bazhangsamburg (47e979ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.233.121.173)16:38
bazhanglooks familiar16:39
bazhang<valter> i have really old Ubuntu Linux 5.1 on my mac.cant get newer one either17:50
bazhangoh yeah17:50
bazhang!5.1017:51
ubottuUbuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger) was the third release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 13, 2007. See !eol and !upgrade for more details.17:51
bazhangsurely thats a troll18:03
genii-aroundMaybe not. I know a couple people that are still running 5.0418:04
k1lim not sure if just newbiw or troll18:04
k1l*futurama meme*18:04
agu10^* #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel19:42
ikonianot again19:42
ikoniaagu10^: one moment please19:42
ikoniathis time for arguing with a user19:44
ikoniaagu10^: looks like you got banned....again,19:44
agu10^D:19:44
ikonia?19:44
agu10^i don't know what happened exactly19:44
ikoniayou didn't know last time either19:44
agu10^i don't usually argue at all19:44
ikoniaI suggest you start paying attention to what you are doing19:45
agu10^not sure what you mean by arguing19:45
agu10^if you tell me what i'm doing wrong, i'll fix it19:45
ikoniaI told you last time19:45
agu10^yes, last time yes19:45
ikoniaagu10^: looks like you're just giving random advice this time19:45
agu10^but this time i have no idea19:46
ikoniayou lead a user down bad advice, then told him he'd screwed his install19:46
ikoniawhich was just wrong19:47
ikoniathen when you where asked to stop it (giving advice, causing a problem) you responded with "ughh"19:47
ikoniaso I guess the operator had jus had enough of you and removed you from the channel19:47
ikoniado you need more detail ?19:49
agu10^got disconnected, sorry19:53
agu10^weird. I am unable to join #ubuntu now. ??19:53
ikoniano19:53
ikoniayou shouldn't be able to19:53
agu10^i'm not sure what is the problem with ubuntu ops with me19:55
ikoniaagu10^: you give bad advice19:56
ikoniathen tell a user his system is screwed up19:56
agu10^really?19:56
ikoniayes19:56
agu10^*bad* advice? :( They are based on personal experience!19:57
ikoniaagu10^: no,19:57
ikoniaagu10^:  man /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs19:57
ikoniaagu10^: does that command work ?19:57
agu10^what is that??19:58
ikoniaagu10^: what you told a user to do19:58
agu10^in #ubuntu ?19:58
ikoniaagu10^: yes19:58
agu10^let me see my logs19:58
ikonia2013-02-20T08:01:05 <agu10^> man /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs19:58
agu10^so i can get the context19:58
ikoniait doesn't matter19:58
ikoniait's a nonsense command19:59
ikoniaand when they user asked you what it did, you told him to "google it"19:59
ikoniaso you made up a command, and when the user was surprised, you told him to google it19:59
agu10^i may not have realized he was asking about my comment20:00
agu10^i was probably angry at that user20:00
ikoniaagu10^: he asked you specific about that command20:00
ikoniaand just because you are angry does not mean you should give them nonsense commands20:00
ikonialater in the same day, you tell a user to upgrade his system from 12.04 to 12.10 by doing "apt-get upgrade"20:00
agu10^just using intuitive deduction20:01
ikoniawhen it doesn't work, you tell him "you've screwed your install then"20:01
ikoniathen stop20:01
ikoniathis also is nonsense20:01
ikoniaand bad advice20:01
ikoniayou don't appear to know what you are doing20:01
ikoniaand you are causing people problems by giving them bad information20:01
ikoniaand then telling them to "google it" when your bad information doesn't work20:01
agu10^i should probably learn more before trying to help20:02
ikoniayes, I think you should too20:02
agu10^i just thought maybe since they were basic problems i could help with the limited knowledge i possess20:02
ikoniaagu10^: but you are just making stuff up20:02
agu10^but perhaps it's still not enought for those matters20:02
ikoniait's nothing to do with limited knowledge20:02
ikoniait's just made up20:02
agu10^I google the problems and find stuff, which i comment20:02
agu10^I'm no expert20:03
agu10^i copy paste20:03
ikoniaI'm sorry, but google doesn't say "if apt-get upgrade doesn't work, your install is screwed"20:03
ikoniaagu10^: the bottom line is, you're causing a problem in the channel.......again20:03
ikoniaand yet again you don't know why20:03
ikoniaagu10^: I'm happy to remove the ban, but I really need you to think had about what you say in the channel20:04
ikoniaif you don't know the answer, don't speak, don't google, don't guess, just don't speak20:04
ikoniaagu10^: can you keep within that rule ?20:05
agu10^yes. i'm sorry20:06
agu10^:/20:06
ikoniaok, no problem20:06
ikoniano harm done20:06
ikoniaagu10^: I've removed the ban in #ubuntu20:07
ikoniaplease try to remember what we have spoken about in here20:07
agu10^yes. thanks!20:07
agu10^i will post the google links next time20:07
ikoniano !!!20:08
ikoniawhat did I say to do if you don't know the answer20:08
agu10^ok :/20:09
agu10^leave it to another user20:09
ikoniajust don't speak20:09
ikoniaagu10^: if you don't know - don't speak, don't guess, don't google, don't post links,20:09
ikoniaagu10^: clear ?20:10
agu10^ok20:11
agu10^(:20:11
ikoniathank you20:11
ikoniaso please /part this channel, and good luck in #ubuntu20:11
agu10^thanks. you're welcome ikonia !20:12
agu10^* #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel20:13
Piciagu10^: can you try again?20:15
agu10^ok20:15
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ikoniaPici: did I miss a ban?21:38
k1l_agu10^: if its sorted out please part this channel.21:39
Piciikonia: yes, a mute21:42
ikoniaah, saw the ban, didn't see the mute21:47
ikoniathanks Pici21:47
CoreyShould probably nominate a few more ops for #ubuntu-phone.22:37
CoreyRight now it's popey and freenode staff.22:37
k1l_yep just saw that because someone is complaining in u-irc22:37
Myrttiadding ubuntu member cloak might be a good idea22:39
Myrttithen again it might not22:40
k1l_<llstarks> I EAT BABIES BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OPS HERE      :/22:45
AlanBellk1l_: yeah, just talking to popey about the op situation in -phone at the moment22:53
k1l_at least the freenode staff is included so Myrtti can hopp in :)22:53
Myrttior Corey, or Fuchs, or many other staff members22:54
FuchsI think Corey was already looking into it?22:55
popeyhello22:57
AlanBellhi popey :)22:57
AlanBellso popey wants some help detrolling -phone for a few hours22:57
popeyI appreciate that I gave no notice.22:57
popeyKinda didn't expect it to turn into #ubuntu-release-party today22:58
CoreyIt happens. :-)22:58
AlanBellI expect it to be a normal channel on an ongoing basis, but it is busy busy busy22:58
CoreyAs a longer term project you might consider adding ops who aren't "you plus freenode staff." :-)22:58
popeyWe aim to merge -phone & -tablet into -touch22:58
AlanBellso basically all we can do popey is detroll it, but we are not going to be able to support people really22:58
popeybut thats later when it calms22:58
elkysomething got released?22:58
k1l_i could keep an eye on it since i idle there and did ask a few things. but i wanted to go to bed in near time since its midnight here.22:59
AlanBellsomething did, but no countdown for code :(22:59
popeywe did release on time when we said we would tho ☺22:59
popey(which makes a change)22:59
AlanBellreleasing things \o/22:59
elkythe tablet thing was days ago. i missed something?22:59
AlanBellso, shout if you want flags I guess22:59
popeythe tablet thing days ago didn't release code23:00
popeywell, I thought I had setup the flags right23:00
k1l_elky: today there was a sourcecode and images release for that tablet and phone23:00
popeytell me if i haven't23:00
elkyOOH23:00
elkyk1l_, i haven't had a chance to look at all the things i'm not paid to look at yet, hadn't seen that yet23:00
AlanBellk1l_: you have flags23:00
k1l_AlanBell: popey ok, thx23:01
elkyalso, unity icons just all went stupid on me while i was not-idle. disappearing to reboot23:01
AlanBellpopey: yeah, flags are fine for the IRCC account, and I can add operators, they just have to wave ;)23:01
AlanBellI will keep a bit of an eye on it too23:01
popeyThank you!23:02
CoreyAlanBell: I can do it on a temp basis if you're taking nominations.23:02
k1l_need to link the !guidelines in topic? (since someone pointed that missing)23:02
CoreyBut I'm distracted on and off throughout the day.23:02
popeyobviously in the $futur we won't need a separate channel, and everyone can get support for their phone, tablet, tv, desktop or cloud, right in #ubuntu23:02
popey*ahem*23:02
AlanBellCorey: you have flags23:02
AlanBellpopey: yeah, when we know how to support it :)23:02
CoreyAlanBell: Uh...23:02
popeyWelcome to my world.23:02
AlanBellI heard canonical were going to give a tablet to all operators . . .23:03
CoreyAlanBell: You owe me a beer the next time we're in the same part of the world.  I *hate* that misspelling of my name. :-)23:03
k1l_AlanBell: hehe23:03
CoreyIt's also a different account.23:03
CoreySo you probably want to fix that. :-)23:03
AlanBellgah23:03
elkyhahaha23:03
elkyok, really rebooting now23:03
AlanBellCorey: try now23:04
CoreyAlanBell: Much better, thanks. :-)23:04
k1l_elky: but its really just a demo so far. but the impact is huge on the mobile ubuntu guis23:04
CoreyI played with a ubuntu phone device at FOSDEM.23:04
CoreyLaggy and slow, if they can fix that it has potential, but seems very androidy.23:05
popeyi didnt think we had any ubuntu phones at fosdem23:05
popeyinteresting23:05
CoreyEr...23:05
CoreyI may be an idiot.23:05
CoreyThat... may have been Firefox Mobile OS.23:05
Fuchsit was, and you are.23:05
CoreyOkay, there might be a Ubuntu phone at SCaLE tomorrow.  I'll be back afterwards to complain about how laggy / slow / androidlike it is.23:06
Fuchsno, actually you were drunk. Sorry for calling you an idiot23:06
CoreyFuchs: Not *at* the conference I wasn't!23:06
k1l_on the nexus4 today it was nice. real snappy and fluid. (but the nexus4 is a real highclass phone) but needs alot of tweaks and bug testing though23:06
AlanBellit is half term at the moment so if I break the Nexus 7 I will get shouted at a lot23:07

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