 hey guys where is daniel.holbach
[16:36] <bazhang> dholbach iirc
[16:37] <DJones> Yep it is
[16:37] <k1l> yep
[16:37] <bazhang> aww he quit
[16:37] <ikonia> it maybe the same guy who likes to make jokes about Daniel
[16:38] <ikonia> asks where he is then says "oh, I thought he was in a gay bar with the fags"
[16:38] <ikonia> he's been active again recently.
[16:38] <bazhang> samburg (47e979ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.233.121.173)
[16:39] <bazhang> looks familiar
 i have really old Ubuntu Linux 5.1 on my mac.cant get newer one either
[17:50] <bazhang> oh yeah
[17:51] <bazhang> !5.10
[18:03] <bazhang> surely thats a troll
[18:04] <genii-around> Maybe not. I know a couple people that are still running 5.04
[18:04] <k1l> im not sure if just newbiw or troll
[18:04] <k1l> *futurama meme*
[19:42] <agu10^> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[19:42] <ikonia> not again
[19:42] <ikonia> agu10^: one moment please
[19:44] <ikonia> this time for arguing with a user
[19:44] <ikonia> agu10^: looks like you got banned....again,
[19:44] <agu10^> D:
[19:44] <ikonia> ?
[19:44] <agu10^> i don't know what happened exactly
[19:44] <ikonia> you didn't know last time either
[19:44] <agu10^> i don't usually argue at all
[19:45] <ikonia> I suggest you start paying attention to what you are doing
[19:45] <agu10^> not sure what you mean by arguing
[19:45] <agu10^> if you tell me what i'm doing wrong, i'll fix it
[19:45] <ikonia> I told you last time
[19:45] <agu10^> yes, last time yes
[19:45] <ikonia> agu10^: looks like you're just giving random advice this time
[19:46] <agu10^> but this time i have no idea
[19:46] <ikonia> you lead a user down bad advice, then told him he'd screwed his install
[19:47] <ikonia> which was just wrong
[19:47] <ikonia> then when you where asked to stop it (giving advice, causing a problem) you responded with "ughh"
[19:47] <ikonia> so I guess the operator had jus had enough of you and removed you from the channel
[19:49] <ikonia> do you need more detail ?
[19:53] <agu10^> got disconnected, sorry
[19:53] <agu10^> weird. I am unable to join #ubuntu now. ??
[19:53] <ikonia> no
[19:53] <ikonia> you shouldn't be able to
[19:55] <agu10^> i'm not sure what is the problem with ubuntu ops with me
[19:56] <ikonia> agu10^: you give bad advice
[19:56] <ikonia> then tell a user his system is screwed up
[19:56] <agu10^> really?
[19:56] <ikonia> yes
[19:57] <agu10^> *bad* advice? :( They are based on personal experience!
[19:57] <ikonia> agu10^: no,
[19:57] <ikonia> agu10^:  man /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
[19:57] <ikonia> agu10^: does that command work ?
[19:58] <agu10^> what is that??
[19:58] <ikonia> agu10^: what you told a user to do
[19:58] <agu10^> in #ubuntu ?
[19:58] <ikonia> agu10^: yes
[19:58] <agu10^> let me see my logs
[19:58] <ikonia> 2013-02-20T08:01:05 <agu10^> man /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
[19:58] <agu10^> so i can get the context
[19:58] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[19:59] <ikonia> it's a nonsense command
[19:59] <ikonia> and when they user asked you what it did, you told him to "google it"
[19:59] <ikonia> so you made up a command, and when the user was surprised, you told him to google it
[20:00] <agu10^> i may not have realized he was asking about my comment
[20:00] <agu10^> i was probably angry at that user
[20:00] <ikonia> agu10^: he asked you specific about that command
[20:00] <ikonia> and just because you are angry does not mean you should give them nonsense commands
[20:00] <ikonia> later in the same day, you tell a user to upgrade his system from 12.04 to 12.10 by doing "apt-get upgrade"
[20:01] <agu10^> just using intuitive deduction
[20:01] <ikonia> when it doesn't work, you tell him "you've screwed your install then"
[20:01] <ikonia> then stop
[20:01] <ikonia> this also is nonsense
[20:01] <ikonia> and bad advice
[20:01] <ikonia> you don't appear to know what you are doing
[20:01] <ikonia> and you are causing people problems by giving them bad information
[20:01] <ikonia> and then telling them to "google it" when your bad information doesn't work
[20:02] <agu10^> i should probably learn more before trying to help
[20:02] <ikonia> yes, I think you should too
[20:02] <agu10^> i just thought maybe since they were basic problems i could help with the limited knowledge i possess
[20:02] <ikonia> agu10^: but you are just making stuff up
[20:02] <agu10^> but perhaps it's still not enought for those matters
[20:02] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with limited knowledge
[20:02] <ikonia> it's just made up
[20:02] <agu10^> I google the problems and find stuff, which i comment
[20:03] <agu10^> I'm no expert
[20:03] <agu10^> i copy paste
[20:03] <ikonia> I'm sorry, but google doesn't say "if apt-get upgrade doesn't work, your install is screwed"
[20:03] <ikonia> agu10^: the bottom line is, you're causing a problem in the channel.......again
[20:03] <ikonia> and yet again you don't know why
[20:04] <ikonia> agu10^: I'm happy to remove the ban, but I really need you to think had about what you say in the channel
[20:04] <ikonia> if you don't know the answer, don't speak, don't google, don't guess, just don't speak
[20:05] <ikonia> agu10^: can you keep within that rule ?
[20:06] <agu10^> yes. i'm sorry
[20:06] <agu10^> :/
[20:06] <ikonia> ok, no problem
[20:06] <ikonia> no harm done
[20:07] <ikonia> agu10^: I've removed the ban in #ubuntu
[20:07] <ikonia> please try to remember what we have spoken about in here
[20:07] <agu10^> yes. thanks!
[20:07] <agu10^> i will post the google links next time
[20:08] <ikonia> no !!!
[20:08] <ikonia> what did I say to do if you don't know the answer
[20:09] <agu10^> ok :/
[20:09] <agu10^> leave it to another user
[20:09] <ikonia> just don't speak
[20:09] <ikonia> agu10^: if you don't know - don't speak, don't guess, don't google, don't post links,
[20:10] <ikonia> agu10^: clear ?
[20:11] <agu10^> ok
[20:11] <agu10^> (:
[20:11] <ikonia> thank you
[20:11] <ikonia> so please /part this channel, and good luck in #ubuntu
[20:12] <agu10^> thanks. you're welcome ikonia !
[20:13] <agu10^> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[20:15] <Pici> agu10^: can you try again?
[20:15] <agu10^> ok
[21:38] <ikonia> Pici: did I miss a ban?
[21:39] <k1l_> agu10^: if its sorted out please part this channel.
[21:42] <Pici> ikonia: yes, a mute
[21:47] <ikonia> ah, saw the ban, didn't see the mute
[21:47] <ikonia> thanks Pici
[22:37] <Corey> Should probably nominate a few more ops for #ubuntu-phone.
[22:37] <Corey> Right now it's popey and freenode staff.
[22:37] <k1l_> yep just saw that because someone is complaining in u-irc
[22:39] <Myrtti> adding ubuntu member cloak might be a good idea
[22:40] <Myrtti> then again it might not
 I EAT BABIES BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OPS HERE      :/
[22:53] <AlanBell> k1l_: yeah, just talking to popey about the op situation in -phone at the moment
[22:53] <k1l_> at least the freenode staff is included so Myrtti can hopp in :)
[22:54] <Myrtti> or Corey, or Fuchs, or many other staff members
[22:55] <Fuchs> I think Corey was already looking into it?
[22:57] <popey> hello
[22:57] <AlanBell> hi popey :)
[22:57] <AlanBell> so popey wants some help detrolling -phone for a few hours
[22:57] <popey> I appreciate that I gave no notice.
[22:58] <popey> Kinda didn't expect it to turn into #ubuntu-release-party today
[22:58] <Corey> It happens. :-)
[22:58] <AlanBell> I expect it to be a normal channel on an ongoing basis, but it is busy busy busy
[22:58] <Corey> As a longer term project you might consider adding ops who aren't "you plus freenode staff." :-)
[22:58] <popey> We aim to merge -phone & -tablet into -touch
[22:58] <AlanBell> so basically all we can do popey is detroll it, but we are not going to be able to support people really
[22:58] <popey> but thats later when it calms
[22:58] <elky> something got released?
[22:59] <k1l_> i could keep an eye on it since i idle there and did ask a few things. but i wanted to go to bed in near time since its midnight here.
[22:59] <AlanBell> something did, but no countdown for code :(
[22:59] <popey> we did release on time when we said we would tho ☺
[22:59] <popey> (which makes a change)
[22:59] <AlanBell> releasing things \o/
[22:59] <elky> the tablet thing was days ago. i missed something?
[22:59] <AlanBell> so, shout if you want flags I guess
[23:00] <popey> the tablet thing days ago didn't release code
[23:00] <popey> well, I thought I had setup the flags right
[23:00] <k1l_> elky: today there was a sourcecode and images release for that tablet and phone
[23:00] <popey> tell me if i haven't
[23:00] <elky> OOH
[23:00] <elky> k1l_, i haven't had a chance to look at all the things i'm not paid to look at yet, hadn't seen that yet
[23:00] <AlanBell> k1l_: you have flags
[23:01] <k1l_> AlanBell: popey ok, thx
[23:01] <elky> also, unity icons just all went stupid on me while i was not-idle. disappearing to reboot
[23:01] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, flags are fine for the IRCC account, and I can add operators, they just have to wave ;)
[23:01] <AlanBell> I will keep a bit of an eye on it too
[23:02] <popey> Thank you!
[23:02] <Corey> AlanBell: I can do it on a temp basis if you're taking nominations.
[23:02] <k1l_> need to link the !guidelines in topic? (since someone pointed that missing)
[23:02] <Corey> But I'm distracted on and off throughout the day.
[23:02] <popey> obviously in the $futur we won't need a separate channel, and everyone can get support for their phone, tablet, tv, desktop or cloud, right in #ubuntu
[23:02] <popey> *ahem*
[23:02] <AlanBell> Corey: you have flags
[23:02] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, when we know how to support it :)
[23:02] <Corey> AlanBell: Uh...
[23:02] <popey> Welcome to my world.
[23:03] <AlanBell> I heard canonical were going to give a tablet to all operators . . .
[23:03] <Corey> AlanBell: You owe me a beer the next time we're in the same part of the world.  I *hate* that misspelling of my name. :-)
[23:03] <k1l_> AlanBell: hehe
[23:03] <Corey> It's also a different account.
[23:03] <Corey> So you probably want to fix that. :-)
[23:03] <AlanBell> gah
[23:03] <elky> hahaha
[23:03] <elky> ok, really rebooting now
[23:04] <AlanBell> Corey: try now
[23:04] <Corey> AlanBell: Much better, thanks. :-)
[23:04] <k1l_> elky: but its really just a demo so far. but the impact is huge on the mobile ubuntu guis
[23:04] <Corey> I played with a ubuntu phone device at FOSDEM.
[23:05] <Corey> Laggy and slow, if they can fix that it has potential, but seems very androidy.
[23:05] <popey> i didnt think we had any ubuntu phones at fosdem
[23:05] <popey> interesting
[23:05] <Corey> Er...
[23:05] <Corey> I may be an idiot.
[23:05] <Corey> That... may have been Firefox Mobile OS.
[23:05] <Fuchs> it was, and you are.
[23:06] <Corey> Okay, there might be a Ubuntu phone at SCaLE tomorrow.  I'll be back afterwards to complain about how laggy / slow / androidlike it is.
[23:06] <Fuchs> no, actually you were drunk. Sorry for calling you an idiot
[23:06] <Corey> Fuchs: Not *at* the conference I wasn't!
[23:06] <k1l_> on the nexus4 today it was nice. real snappy and fluid. (but the nexus4 is a real highclass phone) but needs alot of tweaks and bug testing though
[23:07] <AlanBell> it is half term at the moment so if I break the Nexus 7 I will get shouted at a lot