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SergioMenesesgood evening!01:24
SergioMenesesphillw, around?02:07
fenrwHiya02:59
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pittiGood morning04:49
SergioMenesespitti, still evening here \o04:49
pittiwell, admittedly very early morning here (5:50)04:50
SergioMeneses23:55 here04:55
fenrwgood evening04:58
Noskcajafternoon fenrw04:58
Noskcajit's 1558 here04:58
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fenrwsomeone has to be from Australia or nearby here05:00
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, \o05:00
SergioMenesesmorning or evening, hi all!05:01
Noskcajfenrw, me05:01
fenrwah, well hello from the other side of the pacific05:02
SergioMenesesok guys I want to sleep! see you soon05:14
dholbachgood morning07:02
fenrwmorning07:12
fenrwor midnight07:13
jibelgood morning08:09
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smartboyhwphillw, PING13:47
smartboyhwballoons, ping13:48
havryliukhello, i still have that issue with running autopilot walkthrough13:53
havryliukcould anyone try help me13:53
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pittijibel: still no luck with webkit? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/JHBuild%20Gnome/job/jhbuild-amd64-WebKit/9/artifact/WebKit.log15:19
jibelpitti, ah, that's because I did a manual build. et me fix that15:36
jibellet15:36
pittijibel: ah, did it build now? great15:37
jibelpitti, yes, it finished at 11.57UTC, sorry I should have told you15:40
pittijibel: no need to be sorry, I'm just curious (this isn't blocking me at all)15:40
jibelpitti, I also restarted epiphany but it failed in make check15:40
vladinoHi ive installed raring daily and i am happy with its performance! it will be a great realease16:04
balloonshey vladino16:05
vladinoyes16:08
balloonsglad you like raring16:11
SergioMenesesballoons, do you have a minute?16:14
balloonsSergioMeneses, sure16:14
SergioMenesespm16:15
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balloonsLetozaf_, evening to you20:02
balloonswanted to tell you there is a ppa for umockdev20:02
balloonshttps://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/daily-builds20:02
Letozaf_balloons, hello!20:03
Letozaf_balloons, fantastic !!!!20:03
Letozaf_balloons, I must try it immediatly :D20:03
balloonswe kind of got stuck on ubiquity sadly.. it feels really close, but isn't quite working20:05
Letozaf_balloons, :(20:06
xnoxballoons: bug #64147820:10
ubot5bug 641478 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "debconf-communicate crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64147820:10
xnoxApperantly debconf crashes if running as non root and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is set20:10
balloonshmm.. that's an oldie20:11
xnoxso I wonder if we can execute debconf but clear DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS from the environment.20:11
xnoxballoons: does the stacktrace match yours?20:11
balloonsdon't know.. I'd have to redo things20:12
balloonsI'll fire up a live session again and set it up20:14
balloonsk, live session, with screen reader, installed python-autopilot20:18
balloonsok, so modded autopilot launch to force load gtk20:22
balloonsran autopilot launch ubiquity20:22
balloonsit launched, GTK_MODULES shows as overlayscrollbar:autopilot20:22
thomiballoons: autopilot now has a command line option to bypass the automatic check20:22
balloonslaunching autopilot vis shows me nothing20:22
thomiballoons: also, new ap-gtk prints something to stdout when the plugin is loaded20:23
balloonsthomi, :-)20:23
thomiballoons: so if you have the latest crack, we should be able to tell if the plugin gets loaded or not20:23
balloonsk.. is it in raring?20:23
balloonsor just ppa?20:23
balloonsi can grab ppa20:23
balloonsahh.. I did get an error about it not finding the autopilot interface.. ok20:24
thomiballoons: def. in the PPA, possibly in raring20:24
* balloons grabbing ppa20:24
thomiballoons: actually, def. not in raring, since autolanding is a bit broken for ap-gtk at the moment20:24
balloonsk, we'll try again with the good stuff20:25
balloonshappy friday to you :-)20:25
balloonsk, the help doesn't tell me20:26
balloonswhat's the option to force?20:26
thomiballoons: the help should help you20:28
thomiautopilot launch -h20:28
balloons:-( must not have the right stuff20:29
thomiballoons: if you don't see the help then maybe it didn't land? let me dbl check20:29
balloonslast update is 7 days agao20:29
balloonshttps://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa20:29
thomiballoons: hmmmm20:30
balloonsi'll pull source if needed, lemme know20:30
thomiballoons: yeah, it's in trunk, the bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/113098620:30
ubot5Launchpad bug 1130986 in Autopilot "Autopilot launch needs to work with non-binary processes" [High,Fix committed]20:30
balloonsk, I'll pull trunk20:30
thomiballoons: trunk should build into a package with pdebuild no worries20:30
balloonsohh even better20:30
thomiballoons: if you have any issues I can build you a binary pkg and push it somewhere20:31
balloonsk, let's see.. my guess is it'll be fine20:31
balloonstho the live session might need some build tools20:31
balloonsheh20:31
thomiballoons: maybe it'll be easier for me to build them & upload?20:32
balloonsI don't even have to build it really20:32
balloonsi see the new stuff20:32
thomiI guess you can patch PYTHONPATH and PATH, but... ewwww20:33
balloonslol20:33
balloonsgo ahead and kick a build off20:33
balloonsty20:33
thomidone, just uploading20:33
thomiballoons: http://people.canonical.com/~thomir/python-autopilot_1.2daily13.02.14-0ubuntu1_all.deb20:34
thomishould be safe for a live session, but the version number might not be good for a permenantly installed machine20:35
thomii.e.- it might not upgrade cleanly or something20:35
thomi*shrug*20:35
balloonssweetness20:35
balloonswe good20:35
balloonsalright..  i ran with -vv as well20:36
phillwhi balloons how are things in flavour country?20:36
SergioMeneseshi all!20:36
balloonsit's showing some failures now20:36
balloonshi SergioMeneses20:36
balloonsphillw, i learned it's aluminium today20:37
balloonsso sure.. flavour, not flavor20:37
phillwhi SergioMeneses you should have email, but the bug for ubiquity should have a fix, You okay to test in Vbox?20:38
balloonshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1701511/20:38
phillwxubuntu is the .1 build, they re-spun it as the cron built before the fix arrived.20:38
SergioMenesesphillw, I'll do but at night, I'm not at home20:39
xnoxballoons: why python2.7?20:39
phillwI'll see how I get on with kvm, if they install okay. I'll fire up VBox 4.220:39
balloonsautopilot is written in py220:40
xnoxballoons: does the pid from that output matches what `ps` says python3 / ubiquity process is?20:40
balloonsxnox, ohh20:40
balloonslet's look20:41
SergioMenesesphillw, did you test the daily iso?20:41
balloonsxnox, yes20:41
balloonsand the gtk_modules look correct too20:41
balloonswell.. the process idea matches the gksudo --preserve-env call20:42
balloonsthere's also the py3 /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity call20:42
balloonswhich is a seperate process and does not match20:42
phillwSergioMeneses I''ve just got the lubuntu one in. I had xubuntu as my 1st, then had to do the mv bit for new flavours coming in :)720:43
xnoxballoons: you want to interspect the py3 process20:43
balloonsxnox, I was thinking you would say that20:43
xnoxas that's the one that loaded the UI20:43
balloonsso, do we try and load the /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity process ourself?20:43
xnoxthat won't work =)20:44
balloonsi don't think ap is going to be able to follow the spawn properly20:44
balloonsor maybe there is a way20:44
balloonswell this is good.. i think we found the source of the issue20:44
xnoxeither it needs to count, or it needs to wait for a magic file / dbus-activation / signal sending / call from ubiquity.20:44
phillwSergioMeneses your VM is about to re-started... As I told you, it is handy to have the VM in the name of person asking me to test stuff :)20:44
xnoxballoons: who develops autopilot?20:45
xnoxballoons: I'll just need to establish communication from ubiquity with autopilot =)20:45
SergioMenesesphillw, lol20:45
balloonsxnox, thomi is the go-to on this :-)20:45
thomixnox: þat'd be me20:45
thomi*that'd20:45
thomiwow, how did I get that character I wonder?20:45
* balloons is impressed20:45
thomime too20:45
xnoxthomi: how would you like to find the pid? i can like broadcast a dbus message to you "autopilot me!" or send autopilot a signal or write a pid file, whatever you want.20:46
* thomi reads scrollback...20:46
xnoxthomi: on autopilot side you'll need a cmd arg to enable "sniffing" mode & listen on the trigger.20:46
xnoxthomi: ubiquity forks a few times before launching python-gi app.20:47
xnoxand the pid that autopilots wants to pilot is different.20:47
* xnox ponders I guess I can just launch autopilot from ubiquity and pass the pid on command line.......20:47
xnoxa bit backwards, but hey this will work =)20:47
thomiok, well, that's certainly something we'll need to fix before we can write tests, but autopilot vis should work right now - it sniffs the session bus for anything that provides the correct DBus interface, which the AP plugins do20:48
thomiwe've solved similar issues for other projects as well (the indicators)20:48
thomixnox, balloons: so I think the first thing should be to make sure the AP plugin really is being loaded, second is to make sure we can see it with 'ap vis'. Third, I can write a custom loader that launched ubiquity and hooks everything up20:49
phillwSergioMeneses xnox yeah, I got past the 'die' bug in lubuntu, seems pretty normal from there on in.20:50
xnoxphillw: glad.20:51
phillwxnox: I do have a full crash report being generated, it is just building. Hopefully we can you guys more than just a few crimbs20:52
phillw*crumbs*20:52
xnoxthomi: you lost  me at the first thing. If there is anything inside ubiquity that I can change to make things easier just let me know.20:52
balloonsthomi, ok, well as xnox said, it says it's looking for an ap interface for what ends up being the wrong pid20:52
thomiballoons: ahhhh, I think I understand... the launch command is failing... hmmmm20:52
balloonsafaik, if we can make sure autopilot can follow along to introspect the right pid, everything should work20:52
thomiballoons: maybe I modify ap to look for the launcxhed PID *or child processes*20:53
balloonswell.. it's trying to introspect on the /usr/bin/ubiquity call20:53
thomiright, see20:53
thomi*i see20:53
thomihmmmm20:53
balloonsyes, could you just try and load for all child processes?20:54
balloonsit's pretty nested from looking at it20:54
xnoxthomi: but please stop trying after you found a success... cause ubiquity will keep on spawing & killing things.20:54
balloonslets see 14700->14703->14704>1471220:54
thomiballoons: that's easy to do, until more than one child process supports introspection20:54
thomixnox: yeah :)20:55
balloonsso it's at least the third child in this case20:55
thomiok, filing a bug against autopilot. Should be easy enough to fix20:55
xnoxthomi: also that will only work in the try ubuntu session as lightdm session spawns shit-loads of shit like many small gnome apps.20:55
Letozaf_balloons, I have install umockdev and dumped my camera's sysfs and udev properties but when I try to record the dynamic behaviour I get an error20:55
balloonsLetozaf_, awesome.. your closer!20:55
xnoxthomi: so a generic way to flag up "autopilot this pid / me" would be great.20:56
balloonswhat's the error, I can try to help, but we can also just write to pitti with something specific if we get stuck20:56
Letozaf_balloons, yes but do not know how to solve the error :(20:56
balloonscan you paste it?20:56
thomixnox: hmmmm...we've considered something like this before20:56
Letozaf_balloons, yes20:57
xnoxthomi: e.g. if the launcher is on the dbus, I can send a dbus message to the launcher and one can look up the pid of the message sender.20:57
Letozaf_balloons, this is the error:20:58
Letozaf_balloons, Cannot run program mtp-detect: No such file or directory20:58
xnoxwhich is secure and "consensual" testing between framework and ubiquity.20:58
thomixnox: yes....20:58
Letozaf_balloons, when I run  umockdev-record --ioctl mobile.ioctl /dev/bus/usb/002/006 mtp-detect20:58
phillwxnox: give me a ping back when you have a moment or two, I'm not sure as to where paste up a failed install bug report & against what, as the system did try to file it, but then fell over. I do still have access to all the /var/logs area if you can think of any that may be of help?20:59
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xnoxphillw: can you check the /var/crash/*20:59
balloonsLetozaf_, ohh, easy20:59
balloonssudo apt-get install mtp-tools21:00
xnoxphillw: and just upload that somewhere.21:00
Letozaf_balloons, ahhh! and I was searching my notebook for it :'(21:00
xnoxphillw: or swithc to tty1 and do sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*21:00
thomiballoons, xnox: bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/113140521:00
ubot5Launchpad bug 1131405 in Autopilot "Autopilot does not work with wrapper scripts" [Medium,In progress]21:00
Letozaf_balloons, thanks21:00
xnox(well just one crash file at a time if multiple)21:00
thomiwill work on that today21:00
phillwxnox: yup, there is a file there.21:00
balloonsthomi, xnox.. awesome :-) I'm excited to get this working. This should also help other wrapper scripts eh?21:01
xnoxphillw: $ sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*.upload =)21:01
thomiballoons: yes, exactly21:02
xnoxphillw: that should give command line interface to upload it.21:02
phillwusr_lib_ubiquity_bin_  sort of fille. ~ 260 kB21:02
xnoxphillw: and there will be a URL at the end which you will have to manually retype (if it has long UUID looking thing, not need to retype other title=foo parameters.21:02
xnoxphillw: yeap. You can read it with `less`, or upload with sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*.crash21:03
phillwnot sure if the machine got that far as to be able to 'talk' to the outside world21:03
xnoxphillw: that file has all logs & tracebacks collected already.21:03
xnoxphillw: is it a VM? it should have network already. just try.21:03
phillwxnox: so, just sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*.crash21:04
phillw?21:04
xnoxyes.21:04
phillwxnox: it's trying, but the fail was the web browser last attempt.21:06
phillwxnox: it is sort of telling me it that it has uploaded it, but needs a really long string name to access it. If my attempt to access it should fail, do you want a screen-shot?21:08
xnoxphillw: that long url type it in the web-browser on your host machine.21:09
xnoxyou only need upto the end of uuid which looks likes approx ~: ac5e2695-3c9e-49e8-b834-95fab33c4af421:09
phillwnope, I am Alt-F2 on the VM and do not have C+P ability :(21:10
Letozaf_balloons, do not know why mtp-detect gives me an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701671/21:10
xnoxphillw: look at the vm window and type here on your web-browser on your host machine! e.g. here where your irc is.21:10
xnox(your normal browser)21:10
balloonsLetozaf_, interesting21:11
xnoxphillw: everything is uploaded now, you can open that url on any machine.21:11
balloonsmy guess is perhaps a permission issue21:11
balloonsdid you use sudo in the past?21:11
Letozaf_balloons, I tried this command with sudo21:11
balloonstry this21:11
balloonssudo rm -rf ~/.mtpz-data21:12
Letozaf_balloons, ok21:12
balloonsthen start over at the top21:12
phillwxnox: I'm sorry, you have lost me. I am used to just pulling the files out. sorry for being so n00b. Can you tell me exactly what I need to do?21:12
balloonsphillw, the url it gave you in the terminal on the vm21:13
balloonsconnect to that on your browser21:13
xnoxphillw: open a web-browser in one window next to the window of the virtual machine that displays the terminal with the url.21:14
* xnox goes to do a screenshot21:15
Letozaf_balloons I have no  ~/.mtpz-data file.. and if I launch the command both with or without sudo I get the same error21:15
Letozaf_balloons, could it be because there is no  ~/.mtpz-data file at all?21:15
balloonsweird21:15
balloonstry making the folder sure21:16
Letozaf_balloons, ok21:16
balloonskeep it with your user permissions ;-)21:16
Letozaf_balloons, this is the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701736/ with the dir and it has my user permissions21:18
komputeshi balloons21:19
komputeshi SergioMeneses21:19
SergioMeneseskomputes, hi21:19
* SergioMeneses is working on thunderbird testcase21:20
komputesSergioMeneses: I'm watching the youtube video and wanted to do the same thing!21:20
komputesOMG QU ESP21:20
SergioMeneseskomputes, what video?21:20
komputeshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO7DdlUSt_421:20
komputesQA ESP21:20
komputeshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/111564521:21
ubot5Launchpad bug 1115645 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test Needed: Thunderbird" [Medium,In progress]21:21
SergioMenesesqa eso = qa español?21:21
SergioMeneses-o21:21
komputesExtra Sensory Perception21:21
komputeswe both felt we wanted to work on this testcase at the same time, telepathy21:22
SergioMeneseskomputes, jajaja ok ok21:22
SergioMenesessorry21:22
SergioMeneseskomputes, sure?... but I modified the bug because I dont see people working on it21:22
komputesOk, I am writing something now, this is my first time, do you want to guide me through it. I have already pulled the bzr project for testcases21:24
SergioMeneseskomputes, hey! sorry Im a little busy but I think this will help you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat21:27
balloonshey komputes :-)21:28
komputesHi balloons, I'm trying to learn how to make a testcase, following the video, could I just create the file /ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/packages/1431_Thunderbird Tests21:28
Letozaf_balloons, I think that maybe the problem is with my camera, but if I do the same thing with my Samsung Galaxy S III phone connected to my notebook's USB port I get a different error:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701804/21:28
SergioMeneseskomputes, and check this wiki too  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases21:29
balloonsLetozaf_, looking now21:29
Letozaf_balloons, thanks21:29
balloonskomputes, yes you can just create a new file then commit it to your local bzr branch21:29
komputesSergioMeneses: yes, that is what I'm following21:29
SergioMeneseskomputes, if you have a question, share it with us :)21:29
komputescool thanks balloons21:29
balloonsthe push it to a bzr branch on lp and propose a merge21:29
komputesthanks SergioMeneses21:29
balloonsyour welcome21:29
Letozaf_balloons is multitasking :D21:30
balloonsindeed :-)21:30
Letozaf_lol21:30
balloonsLetozaf_, ok, it seems the ~/.mtpz-data can be ignored21:31
komputesFor test case naming is this ok? Is there a naming standard? Test-case name: thunderbird/tb-00121:31
balloonsbut it has to do with the fact your using a sgs321:31
Letozaf_balloons, the first error was my Nikon camera and the last one was with my SGS321:32
SergioMeneseskomputes, will you work on the same testcase?21:32
balloonskomputes, that looks fine21:32
komputesSergioMeneses: that is the point, I want to be mentored in the process21:32
Letozaf_balloons, I tried the sgs3 as the camera didn't work21:32
komputesand I see that you are very involved in QA as I wish to be, as well21:32
SergioMeneseskomputes, ok let me share with you my progress21:32
SergioMenesesand I'll explain you21:33
balloonsmtpz seems to be mtp+zune extensions21:33
komputesSergioMeneses: ok21:33
balloonsanyways, let's look at your other erros21:33
SergioMenesesmeanwhile balloons and Letozaf_ can talk21:33
balloonsLetozaf_, if you run mtp-detect alone what happens?21:33
balloonsthen try 'sudo mtp-detect'.. you can go back to your normal camera for this if you wish too21:34
Letozaf_balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701837/21:34
Letozaf_balloons, oh! wait I did not connect my camera :(21:35
Letozaf_balloons, let me retry21:35
balloonsok, and sudo?  try both21:35
balloonslol.. kk..21:35
balloonstry both ways, with both devices.. let's see what happens21:35
* balloons notes my headphones aren't working in raring ;-(21:36
Letozaf_balloons, lol report a bug :)21:38
balloonshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp/+bug/112943121:38
ubot5Launchpad bug 1129431 in libmtp (Ubuntu) "Data is added to wrong SD card on Galaxy Note" [Undecided,New]21:38
Letozaf_balloons, yes looks like what is happening to my sgs321:40
Letozaf_balloons, let me paste the output21:40
balloonswith your normal camera, does mtp-detect work?21:40
balloonsor sudo mtp-detect?21:40
Letozaf_Letozaf_, no, just a second I am waiting for sudo mtp-detect on my sgs3 and I will paste all the outputs21:41
balloonsk, excellent21:41
komputesSo the firfox test says "Open the dash and launch Firefox by pressing the super key, and then entering ‘firefox’"21:41
komputesDo we assume the user is using Unity in testcases?21:42
komputesIf I write the one for Thunderbird, should it follow the same style?21:42
balloonsyay, sound!21:42
balloonskomputes, no..21:43
SergioMeneseskomputes, yes21:43
* balloons is thinking we need a style guide21:43
komputesconflicting answers. hmmm21:43
SergioMenesesballoons, jeje sure21:43
balloonsIn general we try to be desktop-agnostic21:43
Letozaf_balloons, here are the outputs http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701896/21:43
komputesballoons: at least test names and desktop agnostic21:43
komputesI will fix Firefox then21:43
balloonsSergioMeneses, remember the changes you made to ensure locale agnostic for spanish/english?21:44
balloonskomputes, thanks for the questions.. I'll write-up a quick style guide with these basics so people understand how tests should look21:44
SergioMenesesballoons, sure!... I was answering this part: So the firfox test says "Open the dash and launch Firefox by pressing the super key, and then entering ‘firefox’21:45
SergioMenesesI cant see all text21:45
SergioMeneses:S21:45
SergioMenesesballoons, we have to put all testcases information in a super wiki page21:46
balloonsI'll just add it to the contributing testcases guide21:46
komputesSergioMeneses: it's ok, basically we will write package tests so we don't assume that people are using unity. So we would just say "Open Thunderbird" or "Open Firefox"21:46
balloonsyep, exactly21:46
SergioMeneseskomputes, :)21:47
SergioMenesesbtw balloons I was talking with komputes by pm21:48
komputeswe're cooperating!   \o/21:48
balloonsgood stuff21:49
SergioMeneseskomputes, might you help me with the "filtering section" ?21:50
komputesSergioMeneses: what is that?21:50
komputesok email filters21:50
komputesyes yes, getting there :)21:50
SergioMeneseskomputes, jejeje :)21:50
SergioMenesesok21:50
phillwSergioMeneses did your test of lubuntu desktop with the new ubiquity in Vbox work?21:56
SergioMenesesphillw, Im not at home now :S but I'll do it at night21:57
SergioMenesesbtw I have to work on testcases too :)21:57
phillwSergioMeneses I'll have a play, I have a fail in KVM. just awaiting xnox to over view the issue as to what confirmation is needed, do not worry your self over it to much.21:58
xnoxphillw: is there a particular way you triggered it?21:59
xnoxcause it looks like a straight up crash in compiz / decorators.21:59
Letozaf_balloons, I'm going to bed now, it's late, I will be back tomorrow night :D21:59
balloonsLetozaf_, ok21:59
balloonslet me know how it worked21:59
Letozaf_balloons, 'night21:59
phillwxnox: I selected 'install'21:59
Letozaf_I pasted the link22:00
balloonsg'night Letozaf_22:00
balloonsohh.. I missed it22:00
balloonsI was waiting22:00
balloonscan you paste agan/22:00
balloons?22:00
Letozaf_balloons, here is the link>22:00
Letozaf_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701896/22:00
Letozaf_balloons, got it ?22:00
balloonsLetozaf_, yes22:00
balloonsexcellemt22:00
xnoxphillw: it doesn't crash in KVM here for me. What graphics driver is selected for KVM?22:01
Letozaf_Letozaf_, if you need send me an email, but I will be on IRC tomorrow22:01
Letozaf_balloons, 'night22:01
SergioMenesesphillw, ok!22:01
phillwxnox: the default one, which was supposed to have been fixed?22:02
balloonsSergioMeneses, komputes I added this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/ManualStyleGuide22:11
balloonskomputes, I hope that answered your questions.. if I missed any, i'll add them now22:12
SergioMenesesballoons, it is perfect!22:13
SergioMenesesballoons, maybe I could help you editing wikis in the near future22:13
balloonsSergioMeneses, :-) I'm not a wiki guy22:13
balloonsbut I can give content22:14
balloonsyou are always free to beautify things up22:14
SergioMenesesballoons, and that is a good thing! content is the heart22:14
* phillw hides in the corner :P22:15
SergioMeneseswhen is the ugj?22:16
balloonsnext weekend22:17
balloonshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam22:17
SergioMenesesballoons, ok thanks22:19
hggdhSergioMeneses: welcome to the BugSquad :-)22:20
SergioMeneseshggdh, thanks! :)22:21
SergioMenesesok guys! i have to go, see you at night22:23
SergioMenesesphillw, komputes balloons we can work at night! dont worry22:24
balloonsthomi, ohh.. I do have a question for you22:25
balloonsI need to ensure my keystrokes end up in the right spot. Is it correct to introspect the app, find perhaps the field or canvas and then push keystrokes to it?22:26

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