[01:24] <SergioMeneses> good evening!
[02:07] <SergioMeneses> phillw, around?
[02:59] <fenrw> Hiya
[04:49] <pitti> Good morning
[04:49] <SergioMeneses> pitti, still evening here \o
[04:50] <pitti> well, admittedly very early morning here (5:50)
[04:55] <SergioMeneses> 23:55 here
[04:58] <fenrw> good evening
[04:58] <Noskcaj> afternoon fenrw
[04:58] <Noskcaj> it's 1558 here
[04:59] <fenrw> 22:00
[05:00] <fenrw> someone has to be from Australia or nearby here
[05:00] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, \o
[05:01] <SergioMeneses> morning or evening, hi all!
[05:01] <Noskcaj> fenrw, me
[05:02] <fenrw> ah, well hello from the other side of the pacific
[05:14] <SergioMeneses> ok guys I want to sleep! see you soon
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <fenrw> morning
[07:13] <fenrw> or midnight
[08:09] <jibel> good morning
[13:47] <smartboyhw> phillw, PING
[13:48] <smartboyhw> balloons, ping
[13:53] <havryliuk> hello, i still have that issue with running autopilot walkthrough
[13:53] <havryliuk> could anyone try help me
[15:19] <pitti> jibel: still no luck with webkit? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/JHBuild%20Gnome/job/jhbuild-amd64-WebKit/9/artifact/WebKit.log
[15:36] <jibel> pitti, ah, that's because I did a manual build. et me fix that
[15:36] <jibel> let
[15:37] <pitti> jibel: ah, did it build now? great
[15:40] <jibel> pitti, yes, it finished at 11.57UTC, sorry I should have told you
[15:40] <pitti> jibel: no need to be sorry, I'm just curious (this isn't blocking me at all)
[15:40] <jibel> pitti, I also restarted epiphany but it failed in make check
[16:04] <vladino> Hi ive installed raring daily and i am happy with its performance! it will be a great realease
[16:05] <balloons> hey vladino
[16:08] <vladino> yes
[16:11] <balloons> glad you like raring
[16:14] <SergioMeneses> balloons, do you have a minute?
[16:14] <balloons> SergioMeneses, sure
[16:15] <SergioMeneses> pm
[20:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, evening to you
[20:02] <balloons> wanted to tell you there is a ppa for umockdev
[20:02] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/daily-builds
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello!
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, fantastic !!!!
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, I must try it immediatly :D
[20:05] <balloons> we kind of got stuck on ubiquity sadly.. it feels really close, but isn't quite working
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, :(
[20:10] <xnox> balloons: bug #641478
[20:10] <xnox> Apperantly debconf crashes if running as non root and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is set
[20:11] <balloons> hmm.. that's an oldie
[20:11] <xnox> so I wonder if we can execute debconf but clear DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS from the environment.
[20:11] <xnox> balloons: does the stacktrace match yours?
[20:12] <balloons> don't know.. I'd have to redo things
[20:14] <balloons> I'll fire up a live session again and set it up
[20:18] <balloons> k, live session, with screen reader, installed python-autopilot
[20:22] <balloons> ok, so modded autopilot launch to force load gtk
[20:22] <balloons> ran autopilot launch ubiquity
[20:22] <balloons> it launched, GTK_MODULES shows as overlayscrollbar:autopilot
[20:22] <thomi> balloons: autopilot now has a command line option to bypass the automatic check
[20:22] <balloons> launching autopilot vis shows me nothing
[20:23] <thomi> balloons: also, new ap-gtk prints something to stdout when the plugin is loaded
[20:23] <balloons> thomi, :-)
[20:23] <thomi> balloons: so if you have the latest crack, we should be able to tell if the plugin gets loaded or not
[20:23] <balloons> k.. is it in raring?
[20:23] <balloons> or just ppa?
[20:23] <balloons> i can grab ppa
[20:24] <balloons> ahh.. I did get an error about it not finding the autopilot interface.. ok
[20:24] <thomi> balloons: def. in the PPA, possibly in raring
[20:24]  * balloons grabbing ppa
[20:24] <thomi> balloons: actually, def. not in raring, since autolanding is a bit broken for ap-gtk at the moment
[20:25] <balloons> k, we'll try again with the good stuff
[20:25] <balloons> happy friday to you :-)
[20:26] <balloons> k, the help doesn't tell me
[20:26] <balloons> what's the option to force?
[20:28] <thomi> balloons: the help should help you
[20:28] <thomi> autopilot launch -h
[20:29] <balloons> :-( must not have the right stuff
[20:29] <thomi> balloons: if you don't see the help then maybe it didn't land? let me dbl check
[20:29] <balloons> last update is 7 days agao
[20:29] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa
[20:30] <thomi> balloons: hmmmm
[20:30] <balloons> i'll pull source if needed, lemme know
[20:30] <thomi> balloons: yeah, it's in trunk, the bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1130986
[20:30] <balloons> k, I'll pull trunk
[20:30] <thomi> balloons: trunk should build into a package with pdebuild no worries
[20:30] <balloons> ohh even better
[20:31] <thomi> balloons: if you have any issues I can build you a binary pkg and push it somewhere
[20:31] <balloons> k, let's see.. my guess is it'll be fine
[20:31] <balloons> tho the live session might need some build tools
[20:31] <balloons> heh
[20:32] <thomi> balloons: maybe it'll be easier for me to build them & upload?
[20:32] <balloons> I don't even have to build it really
[20:32] <balloons> i see the new stuff
[20:33] <thomi> I guess you can patch PYTHONPATH and PATH, but... ewwww
[20:33] <balloons> lol
[20:33] <balloons> go ahead and kick a build off
[20:33] <balloons> ty
[20:33] <thomi> done, just uploading
[20:34] <thomi> balloons: http://people.canonical.com/~thomir/python-autopilot_1.2daily13.02.14-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[20:35] <thomi> should be safe for a live session, but the version number might not be good for a permenantly installed machine
[20:35] <thomi> i.e.- it might not upgrade cleanly or something
[20:35] <thomi> *shrug*
[20:35] <balloons> sweetness
[20:35] <balloons> we good
[20:36] <balloons> alright..  i ran with -vv as well
[20:36] <phillw> hi balloons how are things in flavour country?
[20:36] <SergioMeneses> hi all!
[20:36] <balloons> it's showing some failures now
[20:36] <balloons> hi SergioMeneses
[20:37] <balloons> phillw, i learned it's aluminium today
[20:37] <balloons> so sure.. flavour, not flavor
[20:38] <phillw> hi SergioMeneses you should have email, but the bug for ubiquity should have a fix, You okay to test in Vbox?
[20:38] <balloons> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701511/
[20:38] <phillw> xubuntu is the .1 build, they re-spun it as the cron built before the fix arrived.
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> phillw, I'll do but at night, I'm not at home
[20:39] <xnox> balloons: why python2.7?
[20:39] <phillw> I'll see how I get on with kvm, if they install okay. I'll fire up VBox 4.2
[20:40] <balloons> autopilot is written in py2
[20:40] <xnox> balloons: does the pid from that output matches what `ps` says python3 / ubiquity process is?
[20:40] <balloons> xnox, ohh
[20:41] <balloons> let's look
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> phillw, did you test the daily iso?
[20:41] <balloons> xnox, yes
[20:41] <balloons> and the gtk_modules look correct too
[20:42] <balloons> well.. the process idea matches the gksudo --preserve-env call
[20:42] <balloons> there's also the py3 /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity call
[20:42] <balloons> which is a seperate process and does not match
[20:43] <phillw> SergioMeneses I''ve just got the lubuntu one in. I had xubuntu as my 1st, then had to do the mv bit for new flavours coming in :)7
[20:43] <xnox> balloons: you want to interspect the py3 process
[20:43] <balloons> xnox, I was thinking you would say that
[20:43] <xnox> as that's the one that loaded the UI
[20:43] <balloons> so, do we try and load the /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity process ourself?
[20:44] <xnox> that won't work =)
[20:44] <balloons> i don't think ap is going to be able to follow the spawn properly
[20:44] <balloons> or maybe there is a way
[20:44] <balloons> well this is good.. i think we found the source of the issue
[20:44] <xnox> either it needs to count, or it needs to wait for a magic file / dbus-activation / signal sending / call from ubiquity.
[20:44] <phillw> SergioMeneses your VM is about to re-started... As I told you, it is handy to have the VM in the name of person asking me to test stuff :)
[20:45] <xnox> balloons: who develops autopilot?
[20:45] <xnox> balloons: I'll just need to establish communication from ubiquity with autopilot =)
[20:45] <SergioMeneses> phillw, lol
[20:45] <balloons> xnox, thomi is the go-to on this :-)
[20:45] <thomi> xnox: þat'd be me
[20:45] <thomi> *that'd
[20:45] <thomi> wow, how did I get that character I wonder?
[20:45]  * balloons is impressed
[20:45] <thomi> me too
[20:46] <xnox> thomi: how would you like to find the pid? i can like broadcast a dbus message to you "autopilot me!" or send autopilot a signal or write a pid file, whatever you want.
[20:46]  * thomi reads scrollback...
[20:46] <xnox> thomi: on autopilot side you'll need a cmd arg to enable "sniffing" mode & listen on the trigger.
[20:47] <xnox> thomi: ubiquity forks a few times before launching python-gi app.
[20:47] <xnox> and the pid that autopilots wants to pilot is different.
[20:47]  * xnox ponders I guess I can just launch autopilot from ubiquity and pass the pid on command line.......
[20:47] <xnox> a bit backwards, but hey this will work =)
[20:48] <thomi> ok, well, that's certainly something we'll need to fix before we can write tests, but autopilot vis should work right now - it sniffs the session bus for anything that provides the correct DBus interface, which the AP plugins do
[20:48] <thomi> we've solved similar issues for other projects as well (the indicators)
[20:49] <thomi> xnox, balloons: so I think the first thing should be to make sure the AP plugin really is being loaded, second is to make sure we can see it with 'ap vis'. Third, I can write a custom loader that launched ubiquity and hooks everything up
[20:50] <phillw> SergioMeneses xnox yeah, I got past the 'die' bug in lubuntu, seems pretty normal from there on in.
[20:51] <xnox> phillw: glad.
[20:52] <phillw> xnox: I do have a full crash report being generated, it is just building. Hopefully we can you guys more than just a few crimbs
[20:52] <phillw> *crumbs*
[20:52] <xnox> thomi: you lost  me at the first thing. If there is anything inside ubiquity that I can change to make things easier just let me know.
[20:52] <balloons> thomi, ok, well as xnox said, it says it's looking for an ap interface for what ends up being the wrong pid
[20:52] <thomi> balloons: ahhhh, I think I understand... the launch command is failing... hmmmm
[20:52] <balloons> afaik, if we can make sure autopilot can follow along to introspect the right pid, everything should work
[20:53] <thomi> balloons: maybe I modify ap to look for the launcxhed PID *or child processes*
[20:53] <balloons> well.. it's trying to introspect on the /usr/bin/ubiquity call
[20:53] <thomi> right, see
[20:53] <thomi> *i see
[20:53] <thomi> hmmmm
[20:54] <balloons> yes, could you just try and load for all child processes?
[20:54] <balloons> it's pretty nested from looking at it
[20:54] <xnox> thomi: but please stop trying after you found a success... cause ubiquity will keep on spawing & killing things.
[20:54] <balloons> lets see 14700->14703->14704>14712
[20:54] <thomi> balloons: that's easy to do, until more than one child process supports introspection
[20:55] <thomi> xnox: yeah :)
[20:55] <balloons> so it's at least the third child in this case
[20:55] <thomi> ok, filing a bug against autopilot. Should be easy enough to fix
[20:55] <xnox> thomi: also that will only work in the try ubuntu session as lightdm session spawns shit-loads of shit like many small gnome apps.
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have install umockdev and dumped my camera's sysfs and udev properties but when I try to record the dynamic behaviour I get an error
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, awesome.. your closer!
[20:56] <xnox> thomi: so a generic way to flag up "autopilot this pid / me" would be great.
[20:56] <balloons> what's the error, I can try to help, but we can also just write to pitti with something specific if we get stuck
[20:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes but do not know how to solve the error :(
[20:56] <balloons> can you paste it?
[20:56] <thomi> xnox: hmmmm...we've considered something like this before
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:57] <xnox> thomi: e.g. if the launcher is on the dbus, I can send a dbus message to the launcher and one can look up the pid of the message sender.
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, this is the error:
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, Cannot run program mtp-detect: No such file or directory
[20:58] <xnox> which is secure and "consensual" testing between framework and ubiquity.
[20:58] <thomi> xnox: yes....
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, when I run  umockdev-record --ioctl mobile.ioctl /dev/bus/usb/002/006 mtp-detect
[20:59] <phillw> xnox: give me a ping back when you have a moment or two, I'm not sure as to where paste up a failed install bug report & against what, as the system did try to file it, but then fell over. I do still have access to all the /var/logs area if you can think of any that may be of help?
[20:59] <xnox> phillw: can you check the /var/crash/*
[20:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh, easy
[21:00] <balloons> sudo apt-get install mtp-tools
[21:00] <xnox> phillw: and just upload that somewhere.
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, ahhh! and I was searching my notebook for it :'(
[21:00] <xnox> phillw: or swithc to tty1 and do sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*
[21:00] <thomi> balloons, xnox: bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1131405
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks
[21:00] <xnox> (well just one crash file at a time if multiple)
[21:00] <thomi> will work on that today
[21:00] <phillw> xnox: yup, there is a file there.
[21:01] <balloons> thomi, xnox.. awesome :-) I'm excited to get this working. This should also help other wrapper scripts eh?
[21:01] <xnox> phillw: $ sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*.upload =)
[21:02] <thomi> balloons: yes, exactly
[21:02] <xnox> phillw: that should give command line interface to upload it.
[21:02] <phillw> usr_lib_ubiquity_bin_  sort of fille. ~ 260 kB
[21:02] <xnox> phillw: and there will be a URL at the end which you will have to manually retype (if it has long UUID looking thing, not need to retype other title=foo parameters.
[21:03] <xnox> phillw: yeap. You can read it with `less`, or upload with sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*.crash
[21:03] <phillw> not sure if the machine got that far as to be able to 'talk' to the outside world
[21:03] <xnox> phillw: that file has all logs & tracebacks collected already.
[21:03] <xnox> phillw: is it a VM? it should have network already. just try.
[21:04] <phillw> xnox: so, just sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/*.crash
[21:04] <phillw> ?
[21:04] <xnox> yes.
[21:06] <phillw> xnox: it's trying, but the fail was the web browser last attempt.
[21:08] <phillw> xnox: it is sort of telling me it that it has uploaded it, but needs a really long string name to access it. If my attempt to access it should fail, do you want a screen-shot?
[21:09] <xnox> phillw: that long url type it in the web-browser on your host machine.
[21:09] <xnox> you only need upto the end of uuid which looks likes approx ~: ac5e2695-3c9e-49e8-b834-95fab33c4af4
[21:10] <phillw> nope, I am Alt-F2 on the VM and do not have C+P ability :(
[21:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, do not know why mtp-detect gives me an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701671/
[21:10] <xnox> phillw: look at the vm window and type here on your web-browser on your host machine! e.g. here where your irc is.
[21:10] <xnox> (your normal browser)
[21:11] <balloons> Letozaf_, interesting
[21:11] <xnox> phillw: everything is uploaded now, you can open that url on any machine.
[21:11] <balloons> my guess is perhaps a permission issue
[21:11] <balloons> did you use sudo in the past?
[21:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, I tried this command with sudo
[21:11] <balloons> try this
[21:12] <balloons> sudo rm -rf ~/.mtpz-data
[21:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:12] <balloons> then start over at the top
[21:12] <phillw> xnox: I'm sorry, you have lost me. I am used to just pulling the files out. sorry for being so n00b. Can you tell me exactly what I need to do?
[21:13] <balloons> phillw, the url it gave you in the terminal on the vm
[21:13] <balloons> connect to that on your browser
[21:14] <xnox> phillw: open a web-browser in one window next to the window of the virtual machine that displays the terminal with the url.
[21:15]  * xnox goes to do a screenshot
[21:15] <Letozaf_> balloons I have no  ~/.mtpz-data file.. and if I launch the command both with or without sudo I get the same error
[21:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, could it be because there is no  ~/.mtpz-data file at all?
[21:15] <balloons> weird
[21:16] <balloons> try making the folder sure
[21:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:16] <balloons> keep it with your user permissions ;-)
[21:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, this is the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701736/ with the dir and it has my user permissions
[21:19] <komputes> hi balloons
[21:19] <komputes> hi SergioMeneses
[21:19] <SergioMeneses> komputes, hi
[21:20]  * SergioMeneses is working on thunderbird testcase
[21:20] <komputes> SergioMeneses: I'm watching the youtube video and wanted to do the same thing!
[21:20] <komputes> OMG QU ESP
[21:20] <SergioMeneses> komputes, what video?
[21:20] <komputes> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO7DdlUSt_4
[21:20] <komputes> QA ESP
[21:21] <komputes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1115645
[21:21] <SergioMeneses> qa eso = qa español?
[21:21] <SergioMeneses> -o
[21:21] <komputes> Extra Sensory Perception
[21:22] <komputes> we both felt we wanted to work on this testcase at the same time, telepathy
[21:22] <SergioMeneses> komputes, jajaja ok ok
[21:22] <SergioMeneses> sorry
[21:22] <SergioMeneses> komputes, sure?... but I modified the bug because I dont see people working on it
[21:24] <komputes> Ok, I am writing something now, this is my first time, do you want to guide me through it. I have already pulled the bzr project for testcases
[21:27] <SergioMeneses> komputes, hey! sorry Im a little busy but I think this will help you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat
[21:28] <balloons> hey komputes :-)
[21:28] <komputes> Hi balloons, I'm trying to learn how to make a testcase, following the video, could I just create the file /ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/packages/1431_Thunderbird Tests
[21:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think that maybe the problem is with my camera, but if I do the same thing with my Samsung Galaxy S III phone connected to my notebook's USB port I get a different error:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701804/
[21:29] <SergioMeneses> komputes, and check this wiki too  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases
[21:29] <balloons> Letozaf_, looking now
[21:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks
[21:29] <balloons> komputes, yes you can just create a new file then commit it to your local bzr branch
[21:29] <komputes> SergioMeneses: yes, that is what I'm following
[21:29] <SergioMeneses> komputes, if you have a question, share it with us :)
[21:29] <komputes> cool thanks balloons
[21:29] <balloons> the push it to a bzr branch on lp and propose a merge
[21:29] <komputes> thanks SergioMeneses
[21:29] <balloons> your welcome
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons is multitasking :D
[21:30] <balloons> indeed :-)
[21:30] <Letozaf_> lol
[21:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, it seems the ~/.mtpz-data can be ignored
[21:31] <komputes> For test case naming is this ok? Is there a naming standard? Test-case name: thunderbird/tb-001
[21:31] <balloons> but it has to do with the fact your using a sgs3
[21:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, the first error was my Nikon camera and the last one was with my SGS3
[21:32] <SergioMeneses> komputes, will you work on the same testcase?
[21:32] <balloons> komputes, that looks fine
[21:32] <komputes> SergioMeneses: that is the point, I want to be mentored in the process
[21:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, I tried the sgs3 as the camera didn't work
[21:32] <komputes> and I see that you are very involved in QA as I wish to be, as well
[21:32] <SergioMeneses> komputes, ok let me share with you my progress
[21:33] <SergioMeneses> and I'll explain you
[21:33] <balloons> mtpz seems to be mtp+zune extensions
[21:33] <komputes> SergioMeneses: ok
[21:33] <balloons> anyways, let's look at your other erros
[21:33] <SergioMeneses> meanwhile balloons and Letozaf_ can talk
[21:33] <balloons> Letozaf_, if you run mtp-detect alone what happens?
[21:34] <balloons> then try 'sudo mtp-detect'.. you can go back to your normal camera for this if you wish too
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701837/
[21:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! wait I did not connect my camera :(
[21:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me retry
[21:35] <balloons> ok, and sudo?  try both
[21:35] <balloons> lol.. kk..
[21:35] <balloons> try both ways, with both devices.. let's see what happens
[21:36]  * balloons notes my headphones aren't working in raring ;-(
[21:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol report a bug :)
[21:38] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp/+bug/1129431
[21:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes looks like what is happening to my sgs3
[21:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me paste the output
[21:40] <balloons> with your normal camera, does mtp-detect work?
[21:40] <balloons> or sudo mtp-detect?
[21:41] <Letozaf_> Letozaf_, no, just a second I am waiting for sudo mtp-detect on my sgs3 and I will paste all the outputs
[21:41] <balloons> k, excellent
[21:41] <komputes> So the firfox test says "Open the dash and launch Firefox by pressing the super key, and then entering ‘firefox’"
[21:42] <komputes> Do we assume the user is using Unity in testcases?
[21:42] <komputes> If I write the one for Thunderbird, should it follow the same style?
[21:42] <balloons> yay, sound!
[21:43] <balloons> komputes, no..
[21:43] <SergioMeneses> komputes, yes
[21:43]  * balloons is thinking we need a style guide
[21:43] <komputes> conflicting answers. hmmm
[21:43] <SergioMeneses> balloons, jeje sure
[21:43] <balloons> In general we try to be desktop-agnostic
[21:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, here are the outputs http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701896/
[21:43] <komputes> balloons: at least test names and desktop agnostic
[21:43] <komputes> I will fix Firefox then
[21:44] <balloons> SergioMeneses, remember the changes you made to ensure locale agnostic for spanish/english?
[21:44] <balloons> komputes, thanks for the questions.. I'll write-up a quick style guide with these basics so people understand how tests should look
[21:45] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sure!... I was answering this part: So the firfox test says "Open the dash and launch Firefox by pressing the super key, and then entering ‘firefox’
[21:45] <SergioMeneses> I cant see all text
[21:45] <SergioMeneses> :S
[21:46] <SergioMeneses> balloons, we have to put all testcases information in a super wiki page
[21:46] <balloons> I'll just add it to the contributing testcases guide
[21:46] <komputes> SergioMeneses: it's ok, basically we will write package tests so we don't assume that people are using unity. So we would just say "Open Thunderbird" or "Open Firefox"
[21:46] <balloons> yep, exactly
[21:47] <SergioMeneses> komputes, :)
[21:48] <SergioMeneses> btw balloons I was talking with komputes by pm
[21:48] <komputes> we're cooperating!   \o/
[21:49] <balloons> good stuff
[21:50] <SergioMeneses> komputes, might you help me with the "filtering section" ?
[21:50] <komputes> SergioMeneses: what is that?
[21:50] <komputes> ok email filters
[21:50] <komputes> yes yes, getting there :)
[21:50] <SergioMeneses> komputes, jejeje :)
[21:50] <SergioMeneses> ok
[21:56] <phillw> SergioMeneses did your test of lubuntu desktop with the new ubiquity in Vbox work?
[21:57] <SergioMeneses> phillw, Im not at home now :S but I'll do it at night
[21:57] <SergioMeneses> btw I have to work on testcases too :)
[21:58] <phillw> SergioMeneses I'll have a play, I have a fail in KVM. just awaiting xnox to over view the issue as to what confirmation is needed, do not worry your self over it to much.
[21:59] <xnox> phillw: is there a particular way you triggered it?
[21:59] <xnox> cause it looks like a straight up crash in compiz / decorators.
[21:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm going to bed now, it's late, I will be back tomorrow night :D
[21:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok
[21:59] <balloons> let me know how it worked
[21:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, 'night
[21:59] <phillw> xnox: I selected 'install'
[22:00] <Letozaf_> I pasted the link
[22:00] <balloons> g'night Letozaf_
[22:00] <balloons> ohh.. I missed it
[22:00] <balloons> I was waiting
[22:00] <balloons> can you paste agan/
[22:00] <balloons> ?
[22:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, here is the link>
[22:00] <Letozaf_>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1701896/
[22:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, got it ?
[22:00] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes
[22:00] <balloons> excellemt
[22:01] <xnox> phillw: it doesn't crash in KVM here for me. What graphics driver is selected for KVM?
[22:01] <Letozaf_> Letozaf_, if you need send me an email, but I will be on IRC tomorrow
[22:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, 'night
[22:01] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ok!
[22:02] <phillw> xnox: the default one, which was supposed to have been fixed?
[22:11] <balloons> SergioMeneses, komputes I added this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/ManualStyleGuide
[22:12] <balloons> komputes, I hope that answered your questions.. if I missed any, i'll add them now
[22:13] <SergioMeneses> balloons, it is perfect!
[22:13] <SergioMeneses> balloons, maybe I could help you editing wikis in the near future
[22:13] <balloons> SergioMeneses, :-) I'm not a wiki guy
[22:14] <balloons> but I can give content
[22:14] <balloons> you are always free to beautify things up
[22:14] <SergioMeneses> balloons, and that is a good thing! content is the heart
[22:15]  * phillw hides in the corner :P
[22:16] <SergioMeneses> when is the ugj?
[22:17] <balloons> next weekend
[22:17] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[22:19] <SergioMeneses> balloons, ok thanks
[22:20] <hggdh> SergioMeneses: welcome to the BugSquad :-)
[22:21] <SergioMeneses> hggdh, thanks! :)
[22:23] <SergioMeneses> ok guys! i have to go, see you at night
[22:24] <SergioMeneses> phillw, komputes balloons we can work at night! dont worry
[22:25] <balloons> thomi, ohh.. I do have a question for you
[22:26] <balloons> I need to ensure my keystrokes end up in the right spot. Is it correct to introspect the app, find perhaps the field or canvas and then push keystrokes to it?