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doomlorddoes gl work on it00:42
ptltgm4883: yes, there is01:56
ptltgm4883: but it is opengl ES, not openGL01:56
ptlopenarena, tuxracer, sauerbraten and the likes will not be playable01:57
ptl:(01:57
doomlordGL -> GL|ES requires a little reworking sure,02:29
doomlordbut itts not so far02:29
doomlordmy own gl code runs on desktop GL & GL|ES with a few defines patching over the minor differences02:30
tgm4883ptl, doomlord good to know. I'm guessing that doesn't bode well for hardware accelerated video playback (eg. mpeg2 and mpeg4)02:48
doomlordi'm pretty sure people will port GL to GL|ES in no time03:03
doomlordits non-destructive03:03
doomlordfor me i did it because my 3d source is crossplatform between linux,mac,iOS and android03:04
doomlordheh, the big one is BLENDER .. will that run on a tablet..03:05
SoulShadowwell i probably already know the answer because this channel doesn't seem focused to the same thing06:49
SoulShadowbut since main #ubuntu is useless, has anyone installed ubuntu on a clover trail tab?06:49
AlanBellSoulShadow: is that an arm tablet?10:13
AlanBellah no, that is the new name for Atom isn't it10:13
AlanBellso that should just be ubuntu desktop, 64 bit, booting from USB if you are lucky and there is no secure boot stuff going on10:14
timhansenany update on the touch developer preview release?11:28
* timhansen poke11:32
netcurliit will be released today11:35
netcurlithey are working on it11:35
ali1234anyone on quantal trying to use adb with nexus 7/android 4.2.2, you need to upgrade adb to the version from raring or it won't work.11:35
ali1234https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-tools/+bug/113116311:36
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fyksenHey! Is the image out yet?12:45
=== popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-tablet to: Welcome to #ubuntu-tablet | http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tablet | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU | Nope, not yet
ubuntubhoylol12:47
netcurli:D12:47
chouchounehaha, next question : what time ? ;)12:47
* chouchoune joking12:47
fyksenA norwegian IT news site said that it was yout, but I couldn't find it.. It's a joke of a site, so not supriced..12:48
WaltherI heard a rumour that the image-to-be-released doesn't have *anything* actually *functional* apart from the movie player13:00
Waltheras in, you can't really add user accounts, edit contacts, etc13:00
Waltheras in, being only really for dev and testing, not for enthusiasts13:01
WaltherI'd love to have some clarification over that13:01
AlanBellWalther: it is pre-loaded with data from the Canonical's personas, Lola Chang etc13:04
Walthermmhm, can those be edited; as in, remove defaults and add own?13:05
Waltheror is it really just a "demo" image for the time being13:05
AlanBellwe will find out later I should think. I expect you will have a happier time with it if your expectations are to be able to ssh to it and deploy QML stuff and read the source of the core apps13:06
WaltherPlus, what's the status of dualboot support? at least for the time being I'd really appreciate dualbooting possibility between stock and ubuntu13:06
* AlanBell doesn't think that is possible13:07
Waltherheh, of course. And one of the expectations is to actually poke through the UI and perhaps start writing and testing something13:07
WaltherHmm. There are multiROM things for android devices, it should be possible unless specifically restricted otherwise13:07
ubuntubhoyWalther: I think the Multi-boot on XDA should work once you have the image13:08
Waltherand at least imho canonical would be shooting themselves in the feet by intentionally restricting the dualboot possiblity :P13:08
Waltherubuntubhoy: ok, let's hope so13:08
AlanBellWalther: it is nothing to do with restricting a feature that exists, ARM things don't boot to GRUB like intel devices13:08
ali1234they boot to u-boot13:09
ali1234which exists for tegra313:09
WaltherAlanBell: yup, i know, but I thought the default bootloaders and the multiROM things can still give the possibility13:09
Waltherthe dualboot support doesn't really have to be from GRUB per se, as long as there is a *way* for dualbooting13:09
ubuntubhoythere will be a hackable way13:10
ubuntubhoythere 'nearly' always is13:10
Walthermmh. I just hope that the official message from Canonical won't be "don't do it" but "you can do it if you want but we prefer this way"13:10
WaltherAlso, how's the device support going to be? Nexus 10 seems to be the main focus based on the pictures, how about Nexus 7?13:11
ubuntubhoythats fine13:11
ubuntubhoyN7 is supported13:11
AlanBellWalther: they talked about N7 and N1013:11
ubuntubhoyit says so on the web page13:11
ubuntubhoyN7, N10, N4 & GNex13:12
ubuntubhoyall one image13:12
WaltherSweet13:12
ubuntubhoyinterface is dependant on the device13:12
WaltherHm. How about support for other devices, say, Nokia's linux phone N913:13
ubuntubhoyhacker community will need to do that13:13
ubuntubhoyright now it's just the 4 Nexus devices13:13
AlanBellthe nexus devices are from different manufacturers and rather different hardware13:14
ubuntubhoybut TBH, I bet this is ported to a few devices within 24hrs13:14
Waltherhacker community *will* do that, obviously, but what after then; will they stay as "custom ports with the responsibility being on the hackers themselves" or would it be possible to merge the couple lines of code to upstream?13:14
Waltheryes, i'm *sure* within a day or two the image will be on a dozen or so other devices13:14
ubuntubhoyIt will be like AOSP - there is the code, it's up to you13:14
ubuntubhoyno official support13:14
Waltherbut the main question is will the project go the android way or the cool way :P13:14
ubuntubhoygot to be that way13:15
Waltherthe problem with AOSP is that if you're dealing with a "custom port", even if it is only a couple lines different, you're (in some cases) restricting yourself out from the official updates and tied to the custom rom13:15
Waltherwell, it doesn't *have* to be that way. Think desktops- drivers for different HW are included in genkernel13:16
Waltherand/or linux-firmware and whatnot13:16
ubuntubhoyBut you can't expect official support for even a small %age of the handsets out there13:16
ubuntubhoyonce they have an OEM or two on-board they will be the official support13:16
ubuntubhoyeverything else will be hacked13:17
Waltherat least in my humble opinion, it would be a big wildcard for Canonical to actually merge at least some of the community code for hw support, making it more of a "linux" distro13:17
Waltherlike it goes on the desktop13:17
ubuntubhoythey may via kernel stuff13:18
Walthersomeone adds support for something, makes a pull request, code gets reviewed, accepted, pushed, etc13:18
ubuntubhoybut I doubt official support will follow13:18
WaltherI really, really hope the support for other devices will go the linux-on-desktop way instead of the android way13:18
Waltherespecially since the ubuntu tablet/phone project is still taking its baby steps in the real world, there's the chance of making it "right" from the beginning13:19
Walther(I wouldn't mid if you spread the word among the devs on this one, really.)13:19
WaltherOf course I understand that *promising* official support for multiple devices would be painful and difficult, causing problems. But on the other hand, accepting pull requests to the upstream would be magnificent and a significant improvement over the AOSP / Android custom rom way13:20
WaltherBut I can almost bet that half or so of the "custom roms" of android for different devices actually share quite many lines of "custom code" that could have just been pulled to the official images/sources if someone were in that mood, but no. Instead aosp devs have to actually make separate images/sources per device13:23
Walther(I truly hope some devs are reading this and considering this change)13:27
ali1234they don't have to make separate sources per device13:36
ali1234they could all collaborate if they wanted to, even if google doesn't want to13:37
ali1234google can't stop everyone else froom sharing a repo13:37
ali1234the problem is custom android rom authors don't know how to, or do not want to collaborate13:37
ali1234a large number of them don't even release their source13:37
ali1234many don't even use the source and just use someone else's binaries to build their rom13:38
ali1234you can look forward to them doing all the same things with ubuntu, once it is released13:38
Walthermm.13:39
WaltherBut I really hope that there would be some sort of a centralized way13:39
Waltherprett ypretty please for the canonical devs: make an "official unofficial repo" of sorts13:40
Waltherso that the actual custom build sources could be shared with others and be collaborative and... well, you know, like you said about how AOSP devs *could* do it but don't because they're lazy or whatnot, if there was a centralized "sandbox" approved by Canonical, even if not supported per se, it could actually nudge the right people to the right direction13:41
ali1234no, it couldn't13:42
WaltherIt could make a *huge* difference. Especially now when the thing is not released yet.13:42
Walthercare to elaborate on your opinion?13:42
ali1234android has this; it doesn't make a damn difference13:42
WaltherWouldn't hurt to try? :P13:43
ali1234custom roms need too much stolen proprietary software to even boot13:43
ali1234most of the "custom" in custom roms is used without any kind of permission13:43
ali1234the open source parts are usually not changed in any way13:43
Waltherthis wouldn't possibly be the case with ubuntu sources though, afaik?13:43
ali1234sure it would13:43
ali1234it needs proprietary drivers13:43
ali1234there is no reason at all to change the UI source code just to port it to another device13:44
ali1234the drivers are not open source13:44
ali1234porting ubuntu to, say, SGS3, would require building an image with samsung drivers in it, and not much else13:44
ubuntubhoyjust switching libs13:44
ubuntubhoyTBF though, that is exactly the same as Linux distro's - just a change of theme and default apps in a lot of cases13:55
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, the difference is that proprietary drivers won't be available for the SGS313:56
ubuntubhoyas they are not for loads of custom ROMs13:57
Waltherwhereas they are for nexi?13:57
ubuntubhoybut they hack them in13:57
Waltheri thouhgt the nexus family was proprietary as well13:57
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, incorrect. There are proprietary drivers available for android for the SGS313:57
tgm4883custom roms still use android13:58
tgm4883Walther, I believe the nexii family is pretty open13:58
ubuntubhoyAndroid yes, but when a Sense ROM is ported to Samsung say - the drivers are added13:59
tgm4883Walther, hence why the new nexus doesn't have LTE anymore13:59
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, a sense rom still runs android13:59
WaltherThe only thing I really want is proper support comparable to that of desktop distros.13:59
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, thats basically the difference between kde and gnome13:59
ubuntubhoybut is built with dif drivers13:59
WaltherNot only hacked-together for specific devices13:59
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, no it's not13:59
ubuntubhoytgm4883: of course it is13:59
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, do you understand how drivers work with the kernel?14:00
ubuntubhoyyes14:00
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, when sense is ported to sgs3, they use drivers from the SGS3 rom14:00
ubuntubhoyexactly14:00
ubuntubhoynot from the kernel14:00
ubuntubhoyfrom the ROM14:00
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, and?14:01
ubuntubhoyso they are basically copying bits and bobs from one ROM to another14:01
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, so?14:01
ubuntubhoyhow does a Linux distro differ ?14:01
ubuntubhoymany, not all are just kitchens14:01
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, in regards to proprietary drivers?14:02
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, ah, you are under the impression that android is a linux distro14:02
ubuntubhoyno14:02
ubuntubhoyI am saying that a custom ROM is like a distro14:02
ubuntubhoyLIKE14:02
ubuntubhoynot the same14:02
ubuntubhoyI take Ubuntu and change it14:03
ubuntubhoyand call it a distro14:03
ubuntubhoynew wallpaper and apps etc14:03
WaltherMy point was basically that you can take a Ubuntu live cd and install it on a Intel machine with Nvidia gpu with Kingston RAM with ASUS motherboard with Seagate HDD14:03
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, ok, but you still want to take proprietary drivers from android SGS3 and use it on ubuntu?14:03
ubuntubhoyI was not going that far into it14:03
Waltheror take the *same* image and install on a AMD cpu with mushkin ram with samsung ssd ...14:03
WaltherAnd it still works. Even if you might *want* to add proprietary drivers to your GPU to have it supported more thoroughly, the same install image gets you a working setup on any PC14:04
Waltherand *that* is what I'd love to see with mobile devices and ubuntu as well14:04
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, wasn't your point in that they could take and port the ubuntu image to an SGS3?14:04
ubuntubhoytgm4883: my point was that ROM devs were stated as not being devs at all, I just said the same is true for many Linux distro's14:04
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, ah14:05
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, I misunderstood what you said then14:05
ubuntubhoyno worries14:05
ptlhow do I dock my Ubuntu Phone / Tablet if neither Nexus 4 nor Nexus 7 have HDMI outputs?14:05
ubuntubhoyOTG cable and hub is how I do it14:05
tgm4883ptl, why would you need HDMI for that?14:05
ubuntubhoybut not HDMI14:05
tgm4883Walther, I see no reason that wouldn't work14:06
ptlOTG cable - got it. So 'docking' is just attaching keyboard and mouse?14:06
ubuntubhoyno14:06
ubuntubhoyyou get all different kinds of docks14:06
ubuntubhoysome audio etc14:06
tgm4883Walther, in fact, there is a page for installing ubuntu on devices that there isn't an image for14:06
ubuntubhoywhy do you want to dock ?14:06
ptlto check the 'desktop' interface on them14:06
ubuntubhoyare you confusing Ubuntu touch with Ubuntu for Android ?14:07
ptlis there any other way to change the interface than docking?14:07
ptlI don't think so14:07
ubuntubhoyyou dont change the interface on Ubuntu touch14:07
ubuntubhoyUfA changes you Android interface to a desktop Ubuntu one14:08
ptlI thought you did. Thanks for clarifying though. :)14:08
ubuntubhoyonce docked14:08
ptlI know14:08
ptlbut judging from the videos it seemed that Ubuntu Phone would do the same thing14:08
ubuntubhoyUbuntu Touch is a whole new OS for your device14:08
Walthertgm4883: the point was merely that there are no separate ubuntu images for intel, amd, ... asus, samsung, ibm, etc...14:08
tgm4883ptl, I'm unsure if there is a way to change that, but I've seen code that allows you to do that in a custom unity14:08
tgm4883Walther, because they are all basically the same, they follow a standard14:09
ali1234Walther: that's because PCs have a bios which hides hardware differences. ARM does not.14:09
tgm4883Walther, which is why you won't install ubuntu on an SGS3, you'll install it on <insert ARM chip here>14:09
Waltherah, there's no proper harware abstraction at boot-level14:09
ali1234it's also because all the drivers you need to make a PC work up to a terminal are open source14:09
ali1234this is not true for ARM14:09
WaltherHmm.14:10
ali1234you will have no visual display at all without proprietary drivers on most ARM socs14:10
ali1234and no sound14:10
tgm4883ubuntubhoy, I wouldn't go that far. Just a new DE14:10
ali1234and absolutely 100% no radio on any of them14:10
tgm4883It's still ubuntu underneath14:10
ptlyou can get visual display using the framebuffer usually14:10
ali1234tgm4883: and underneath that it's android14:10
ubuntubhoywhich is new on an Android device, no ?14:10
tgm4883ali1234, is it?14:10
ptlaccelerated graphics are the ones that need proprietary drivers14:10
ali1234tgm4883: wait and see i guess14:11
ubuntubhoyI want the UI to be installable on the Desktop OS14:11
tgm4883ali1234, I doubt that. This is Ubuntu Table and Ubuntu Phone, not Ubuntu for android (which are very different projects)14:11
ubuntubhoyand be hot switchable with mhy current DE14:11
ptlWalther: the current state of Graphics support for Ubuntu on ARM is given by this URL: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/14/open-arm-gpu-drivers-fosdem-2013-video-and-call-to-arm-management/14:11
ali1234tgm4883: well, i think you'll be in for a surprise14:11
tgm4883ali1234, I don't believe this is the demo that was shown at UDS14:11
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ptlali1234: it's the android kernel indeed14:12
tgm4883ali1234, I don't see why it would be better if it was14:12
ali1234btw, ubuntu for android is not android "underneath" - ubuntu and android run as equals in separate VMs in that configuration14:12
ali1234it isn't better14:12
tgm4883ali1234, yes I know14:12
tgm4883ali1234, but you access it from android.14:13
tgm4883 /speculation14:13
ali1234what does that have to do with anything?14:13
WaltherI really hope that ARM would become open source'd as soon as possible.14:13
WaltherSeriously, that's pretty much the last thing keeping ARM from truly overtaking x86(_64) PC cpus14:14
ptlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch -- "Is this something to do with Linaro? " - A: "There does not appear to be any Linaro involvement at the moment but some parts of the Linaro toolchain such as the compiler are being used. The kernel being used on the demo systems is the Android Open Source Project kernel."14:14
tgm4883ali1234, only that what I believe we're getting today will remove your ability to get to android (as it will overwrite it)14:14
ali1234yes14:14
ali1234it will remove your ability to use android UI14:14
ptlARM is patent-based14:14
ptlthey don't build chips14:14
ptlthe license them14:14
ptl*they license them14:14
ali1234but it runs on top of a minimal android system with a compatibility wrapper that allows ubuntu to use the proprietary android drivers14:15
Waltherptl: i know. They could still open-source their software14:15
ali1234remembe when they said "it can use android drivers"14:15
tgm4883ali1234, well if it's using underlying android OS, then there is no reason this wouldn't easily work on non-nexus devices14:15
ptlbut it would be very nice if the MALI division of ARM would open-source their GPU drivers14:15
Waltherwould definitely not decrease their HW sales, on the contrary14:15
ali1234tgm4883: exactly, that's the whole point14:15
tgm4883ali1234, no, i don't remember when they said that14:15
ptlthey almost do14:15
ptlbut there are closed source parts in the X11 driver14:15
ptlthe kernel part is open-sourced14:15
k1l_ali1234: it can run with android kernel and use their drivers14:15
WaltherBtw, any ideas on merging #ubuntu-phone and #ubuntu-tablet into #ubuntu-touch?14:16
k1l_ali1234: its not an android "rom"14:16
Waltherespecially if they are essentially the same thing14:16
tgm4883Walther, no, they should be separate14:16
ptlWalther: they should all be in #ubuntu-arm :)14:16
ptlI am currently running a small domestic lab with ARM devices14:17
tgm4883ptl, in that case, lets axe #kubuntu as well14:17
Walthertgm4883: hmm, why?14:17
k1l_since tablet and phone and arm are different UIs with different systems underneath they should stay seperated. at least when hardware comes to the game14:17
WaltherI do understand the not-merging-to ubuntu-arm14:17
ptlUG802, ODROID X2, two CuBoxes, Minix Neo X5, Nexus 7, Nexus 4, GK802, S21D/MK81214:17
Waltherbut -phone and -tablet should pretty much be the same, no?14:17
SoulShadowso ubuntu for phones/tablets can install right over android?14:17
Waltherptl: ooh, is the CuBox any good?14:18
tgm4883Walther, because when people come here for support, it would be better to have separate channels since they are separate devices?14:18
Walthertgm4883: hmm, point14:18
SoulShadowWalther: well, to be fair there's two versions of ubuntu for tablets14:18
ptlWalther: very good except for the processor: single core, low frequency :(14:18
ali1234what are separate devices now?14:18
ptlI am thinking of maybe buying an arndale board14:18
Waltherptl: still better than pi's cpu though14:18
ali1234there is #ubuntu-phone too?14:18
ptlis it any good?14:18
SoulShadowyes there is #ubuntu-phone14:18
tgm4883ali1234, yes14:18
ali1234why?14:18
Waltherptl: i've considered getting a one mainly for home server / nas purposes14:18
ptlWalther: sure, Raspberry Pi is ARMv6... all these devices if mine ar ARMv714:19
tgm4883there is also #ubuntu-tv14:19
k1l_#ubuntu-arm is the desktop OS on ARM systems. its different from mobile devices14:19
SoulShadowbecause Ubuntu for Mobile14:19
Waltherptl: yup, i know14:19
WaltherBtw, any news on the ubuntu tv project btw? :P14:19
ali1234there are too many thing and i am confused14:19
ptlk1l_: convergence, man, convergence :P14:19
Waltheri've still not seen any images / any source / any devices *at all*, ever :P14:19
popeyWalther: join #ubuntu-tv14:19
Waltherand the thing was announced like ...a year ago?14:19
popeyyou haven't looked14:19
ali1234#ubuntu-phone is for ubuntu for android?14:19
popeyno14:19
ali1234this channel is for ubuntu touch?14:19
popeywe dont have a channel for ubuntu for android14:20
ptlWalther: there has been a small public repository set for it on 12.04. I could not install it14:20
SoulShadowubuntu for android is basically #ubuntu-arm14:20
k1l_ali1234: its for ubuntu-tablets14:20
ptlWalther: I had to install in a VM... but it did not work (Ubuntu TV)14:20
ali1234so why are there two channels for ubuntu touch?14:20
Waltherptl: sad14:20
popeyali1234: historic14:20
SoulShadowbecause different devices, ali123414:20
SoulShadowwhat don't you get about this?14:20
Waltherali1234: answered a minute ago or so; different devices14:20
SoulShadowphones and tablets are not the same, and the OS is not exactly the same either14:20
tgm4883ptl, what parts didn't work? I mean it's still early but it should have been functional?14:20
k1l_ali1234: its two different UIs14:20
tgm4883well, partially functional14:20
popeywe could well merge the channels14:20
SoulShadowwait people are using ubuntu TV?14:21
ali1234SoulShadow: so why isn't there #ubntu-nexus7 #ubuntu-nexus4 #ubuntu-nexus10 #ubuntu-gnex - they are all different devices?14:21
tgm4883SoulShadow, early builds14:21
SoulShadowali1234: because n7 and n10 are tablets14:21
ptltgm4883: none, I followed the instructions and unity crashed on boot, wouldn't work at all. As I did not want to spend too long on it, I just destroyed the VM14:21
SoulShadowso, #ubuntu-tablet14:21
SoulShadowand n4 and gnex are phones, so, #ubuntu-phone14:21
SoulShadowthey are different enough to deserve their own channels14:21
ubuntubhoyTo me Tablet has grown out of Phone, hence the late announcement14:21
k1l_ali1234: its differnent device classes. like desktop and notebook.14:22
ubuntubhoythey got to a point and thought, 'we can use a single image for this'14:22
ali1234there isn't much difference between a tablet and a phone14:22
ali1234except that a tablet can't make phone calls14:22
ubuntubhoyrather than two different images14:22
ptlsome tablets can make phone calls14:23
popeyyeah, as I said, we could probably merge the channels14:23
ali1234indeed14:23
k1l_ali1234: ok, i think you just have to accept that :)14:23
ptlmy old galaxy tab can do that14:23
ali1234is dell streak a tablet or a phone?14:23
* AlanBell used to have a dell streak14:23
tgm4883ptl, no, they lack the cell chips to do that right?14:23
AlanBellphablet \o/14:23
tgm4883ptl, you were just using voip?14:23
ali1234or is it a phablet? :)14:23
k1l_AlanBell: we need more confusing on this one :)14:24
WaltherAny info on at which hour the sources/images will be made public? It's *today*, but?14:24
* AlanBell has confusion and befuddlement to spare14:24
ali123411:59pm14:24
AlanBelleastern14:24
tgm4883Walther, I'd guess in about 6 hours14:24
* tgm4883 is trying to remember when regular releases happen14:25
SoulShadowdepends on what timezone they're using14:25
Waltherwhile i'm in a party. Great.14:25
Walther:D14:25
AlanBellwhen its ready14:25
tgm4883I think around noon eastern time14:25
SoulShadownoon eastern would be 2 1/2 hours14:25
tgm4883SoulShadow, yea, i changed my guess14:25
ptltgm4883: no, my galaxy tab 1 had normal 3G and I did make phone calls with it14:25
tgm4883I just didn't tell you ;P14:25
ali1234hmm14:26
ptlI took the 3G sim off but it used to be my cellphone14:26
tgm4883ptl, nice. What network allows you to make calls over 3g?14:26
ali1234was there a new qt5 sdk released the other day?14:26
ptlin Brazil? All of them14:26
ali1234actually it's in a PPA so it should auto update right?14:26
ptlVivo, Claro, Oi, TIM14:26
tgm4883cool14:26
SoulShadowyou can always make a call over 3g14:26
SoulShadowit's called voip14:26
SoulShadowit's *always* voip14:26
tgm4883ptl, I don't think they allow that in the US14:27
ali1234backup up my nexus with carbon. the backup size counter has overflowed and is now going backwards14:27
tgm4883SoulShadow, true14:27
ptlWhat I mean is that I did not use any internet-wrapper like skype.14:27
ptlI used the native dialer14:27
SoulShadowdid you use SIP settings?14:27
ptlno14:27
ptlIt was a regular cellphone, just bigger.14:27
SoulShadowthat's unusual14:27
ali1234nexus 7 has an option for 3G as well14:28
SoulShadownexus 7 3g is data only14:28
SoulShadowso you would need voip14:28
ali1234that sucks14:28
ubuntubhoyhow so ? If it is connected to the network it should work for calls as well14:28
Waltherstrangely enough, i did receive a couple SMS from my carrier :P14:28
SoulShadowubuntubhoy: doesn't work that way14:28
tgm4883isn't all US 3g data only?14:29
Waltherwhen I put in their sim for the nexus 7 3g14:29
SoulShadowno14:29
ali1234ubuntubhoy: radio rom needs voice codecs14:29
SoulShadowthe SOC in tablets doesn't support voice calls14:29
ubuntubhoyso it's a ROM issue, and not a hardware one14:29
ali1234yep SMS doesn't need voice codec :)14:29
SoulShadowubuntubhoy: no, it's a hardware issue.14:29
ali1234ubuntubhoy: it can be hardware issue too14:29
ali1234ubuntubhoy: mic is wired directly to radio chipset14:29
ali1234in phones that is14:29
ubuntubhoyhmm14:29
SoulShadowAPQ8064 and Tegra 3 do not have voice support14:29
ali1234you can't inject wave data into phone call14:30
ali1234so you need hardwared mic14:30
SoulShadowunless paired with the proper baseband14:30
ubuntubhoyI am sure I have saw articles where a N7 has been used as a phone, and not via voip14:30
SoulShadownope14:30
ali1234well, go find them for us then :)14:30
ali1234i don't know either way if it works or not14:30
SoulShadowit doesn't you need SIP or some sort of voip client14:31
SoulShadowso, no one seemed able to answer last night, anyone gotten ubuntu to install on a clover trail based tablet?14:32
SoulShadowi know intel said clover trail isn't supported but that's never stopped anyone before14:33
ali1234popey: has the ui toolkit sdk ppa changed?14:34
ptlhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2025377 -> it seems Nexus 7 3G has some limitations but these people are saying that in principle it seems possible (voice through 3G)14:34
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SoulShadowptl: they have to hack firmware into it14:35
SoulShadowlol14:35
SoulShadowthe RIL isn't there14:35
SoulShadowand they're trying to build one14:35
SoulShadowand it's XDA14:36
ali1234backpedalling :)14:36
popeyali1234: changed how?14:36
SoulShadowthat will not end well14:36
ali1234popey: as in the name/url has changed14:36
popeywe've used a couple. the website links to current14:36
popeyhttp://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/14:36
SoulShadowali not backpedaling at all14:36
ali1234popey: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa - i have sdk installed but i don't seem to have the ppa14:36
ali1234so am i on an old version of the sdk?14:36
popeypossibly, yes14:37
popeywe had one based on qt5 beta114:37
popeythen moved to qt5 proper14:37
ali1234that would explain why what i am trying to do is not working lol14:37
popeyheh14:37
ubuntubhoySoulShadow: apologies - SMS working and calls over voip or SIP.14:37
SoulShadowubuntubhoy you could do SIP/VOIP without doing anything to it14:38
SoulShadowwell, judging by this you need to change dpi settings but beyond that nothing14:38
ubuntubhoyI have a wifi only, but my memory on the Gizmodo article was poor14:38
ubuntubhoynot something I want, just thought I had read it14:39
ali1234hmm 256mb of updates14:40
ali1234when i backup to sd card with carbon, where does the backup go? and how to i get it to pc?14:41
ptl<- updating my Nexus714:42
ptlI~ll probably reflash after ubuntu tablet preview is out... anyway...14:43
ubuntubhoyali1234: you should be able to access the folder via a file manager14:45
ubuntubhoythen upload to the cloud or try and access it via a PC14:46
ali1234i just bought premium14:46
ubuntubhoydoes it do cloud backup by default ?14:46
ali1234yes but you need premium to restore14:47
ubuntubhoyahh - that's a handy way to get you to buy14:47
ali1234hmm even carbon cannot backup gta III and bard's tale properly14:58
ali1234because they download extra files after install14:58
ali1234it thinks those are part of the "data" and back them up14:58
ali1234unfortunately they are 2GB each14:58
ubuntubhoythey will be a problem15:00
ubuntubhoytry and pull them with adb ?15:01
ali1234i've backed them up to sdcard with carbon and now pulling them15:01
ali1234meanwhile it is also pushing the rest to my google drive15:01
ali1234hmmmmmm well i've got QMenuModel now15:03
ali1234now i lack Ubuntu Components? i thought that was part of the sdk?15:03
ali1234i think my system is now messed up because of the ppa change15:05
thebishophave any of the windows8 bybrid devices been unlocked for ubuntu?15:10
thebishopit would be awesome to see the ubuntu tablet UI work with even desktops/laptops sporting touchscreens15:11
thebishopbut something like MS Surface especially seems well-suited to Ubuntu's approach15:11
ubuntubhoyI have an old netbook with a touch screen15:15
ubuntubhoyI would like to be able to install the UI15:15
ubuntubhoyover the desktop OS15:15
ubuntubhoyand have it hotswitch15:15
ubuntubhoywhen I put the netbook in tablet mode15:15
ptlthebishop: there's some news of a surface tablet running ubuntu, yeah15:15
ptltoday15:15
ubuntubhoyRT or pro ?15:16
ptlhttp://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-20130211/15:16
ptlpro15:16
SoulShadowthat sounds like a bad idea15:17
ubuntubhoyAhh, that is standard Ubuntu though is it not15:17
ubuntubhoynot the Tablet UI15:18
ptlyes... it's x8615:18
ubuntubhoyhe did ask about the UI15:19
thebishopyes indeer15:19
thebishopd15:19
ubuntubhoythought someone had taken the XDA leak and already worked their magic15:19
thebishopdo you think these new laptops with touch screens, but no swivel/yoga/detach feature can be useful?  i've got my eye on the Samsung Series 7 Chronos which has touch in a regular-old-laptop format.  not sure how i'd use it15:22
ubuntubhoyRight now it's poor in Linux15:23
ubuntubhoybut on Chromium OS and Win8 it works well15:23
ubuntubhoyreally well15:23
ubuntubhoyI expect Linux to change though15:24
ubuntubhoythis tablet UI is just the start15:24
sevenI am undoubtedly not the first persion to ask this but does anyone know the drop time of the ubuntu touch dev release15:25
tgm4883no15:26
tgm4883later15:26
tgm4883when it's ready15:26
thebishopseven, Nope, not yet15:26
sevenGreat, thanks15:27
thebishopare most of you flashing this to a nexus7, nexus10 or something else?15:27
ali1234no15:27
popeyyes ☺15:27
ali1234i am attempting to run it in qmlscene on desktop15:28
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ali1234apparently i need to build QMenuModel as it is binary15:28
tgm4883nexus 7, I won't be running this on my nexus 415:30
ubuntubhoyN7 also15:31
ubuntubhoyBut I will try the phone UI on my One X or HD2 if/when it gets ported15:32
AaronMTIf anyone knows how to dual boot with Android; drop a link15:37
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r00t4rd3dAaronMT, MultiROM15:37
r00t4rd3dN7 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=201140315:38
ubuntubhoyso are we getting close to F5 bashing time ?15:40
ali1234anyone know where android sdk keeps it's version of qemu?15:41
ali1234ah it calls it "emulator-arm"15:41
ptlthebishop: to a nexus 7 and nexus 415:42
ubuntubhoyhmm, the twitter account and G+ just started posting15:42
ubuntubhoyso must be soon-ish15:42
ubuntubhoyI am also guessing the image will download via an installer again15:44
thebishopnexus7 here.  kinda wish i had an n10 after seeing the first ubuntu tablet video15:48
ptlme too15:49
ptlI sensed it would be the same when they said the reference would be galaxy nexus15:49
ptlit's underpowered15:49
thebishopdocking to a desktop UI is way more attractive on a 10" screen, and i'm guessing the split screen multitasking is a little cramped on 7"15:49
ptlso I waited some time and, voilà, they said nexus 4 would also sport the image15:49
ptlthebishop: not to count the small memory (1 GB)15:50
thebishopbetween nexus7 and nexus10, is the hardware gap that big?  I remember reading reviews of the N10 that said it only had average power for the price while the N7 was damn impressive for the price15:50
ptlno but it has 2 GB RAM15:51
ptl<F5> <F5> <F5>15:52
ptlwhere will the tablet / phone download be announced?15:53
ptlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch ?15:53
ubuntubhoyhome page15:53
ubuntubhoy?15:53
ptlhttp://www.ubuntu.com ??15:53
ubuntubhoyyeah, or the tablet page15:54
ubuntubhoyand phone15:54
ubuntubhoyor sudo apt-get ubuntu-touch-installer ???15:55
allu2I read the ubuntu touch UI images for nexus 7 will be released today, any idea where they can be downloaded when the release happens?15:57
ubuntubhoyprobably the Ubuntu home page will link to them15:57
allu2Ok, am i right if i expect there haven't been any publications on at what time the release happens?16:00
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chouchouneNexus : Camera, video decoding and audio output do not function. :(16:02
chouchouneNexus 7 ^16:02
ptlaudio output????16:03
ptlbut it works currently16:03
ptlin Ubuntu for Nexus 716:03
ptlhow come it doesn't with the new flash image?16:03
ubuntubhoydo we have a link hyet ?16:04
chouchouneno idea, that's in the release notes16:04
chouchounehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes16:04
chouchoune=> Device Specific Issues16:04
chouchouneNexus 716:04
chouchoune    Runs in portrait mode by default. (no side stage)16:04
chouchoune    Camera, video decoding and audio output do not function.16:04
chouchoune    Greeter screen is misaligned.16:04
chouchoune    No multi-user login.16:04
ubuntubhoyhmm16:05
ubuntubhoyno wonder all the vids are N1016:05
ali1234i am surprised it supports GSM voice but not mobile data16:05
ali1234data is usually MUCH easier to get working16:06
chouchounehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install16:06
tgm4883lol    In rare circumstances, the Nexus4 may get into a state where it may not boot at all after the battery is drained ( even into recovery ). If this happens, the only way to restore it is to disassemble the back of the phone and unplug/plug the battery connector.16:08
ali1234tgm4883: this is all normal for development releases16:08
tgm4883ali1234, so?16:08
kaleonice chouchoune  :)16:08
doomlordits out? anyone tried it?16:09
r00t4rd3di tried to install it on my ipad and it gave me crabs.16:09
ali1234doomlord: yes its out16:10
doomlord(scrolling up, n7 - n10 ... big hardware difference i think; 3D benchmarks in particular are chalk and cheese)16:10
ali1234i like how it's a fork of cyanogenmod16:10
doomlordok should i  buy n7 or n1016:10
doomlordi have a galaxy nexus16:11
ali1234doomlord: there is no point buying a device to run this, it is not usable16:11
doomlordheh ok tell it like it is :)16:11
doomlordwhat DOES work16:11
ali1234you can make phonecalls16:12
ali1234read the release note: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes16:12
doomlorddoes the ubuntu desktop work when 'docked'16:12
ali1234no that is a totally different project16:12
doomlordi mean that's this things reason for existing really16:12
ali1234no, that is a totally different project16:13
doomlordthe fact its a true desktop underneath16:13
doomlordthats the unique feature not present in apple/android16:13
ali1234and it's a totally different project16:13
ali1234if you want ubuntu for android you have to buy a motorola atrix 216:13
doomlordare you talking about ubuntu-arm instead of ubuntu-tablet16:13
doomlordright now i have a galaxy-nexus16:14
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tgm4883ali1234, I think that was in the announcing video16:16
kostkonali1234, high end ubuntu tablets will support desktop convergence16:17
doomlorddoes the straight ubuntu-arm desktop run on n10 or just n716:17
kostkondoomlord, http://www.iloveubuntu.net/ubuntu-tablets-hardware-requirements-revealed16:18
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doomlordheh so currently only x86 devices qualify as 'ubuntu enterprise tablet'16:20
doomlordand full desktop convergence wont be supported on n10 even16:21
thebishop"full desktop convergence: not supported" BOO16:21
doomlordyeah thats the reason for this existing16:21
doomlord(imo)16:21
r00t4rd3dwhy anyone would remove android for this is beyond me16:21
thebishopthat's bizarre considering there's already an official nexus7 build of ubuntu which does have the full desktop16:21
r00t4rd3dcanoncial will never be able to out do google16:21
r00t4rd3dnever16:21
doomlordi would, for full desktop conversion16:21
r00t4rd3dubuntu sucks16:21
doomlordi would, for full desktop convergance16:21
doomlordubuntu is awesome16:22
tgm4883yea guys, this is terrible. It's almost like this is a developer preview or something16:22
thebishoptgm4883, :)16:22
kostkontgm4883, it is16:22
doomlordah sarcasm :)16:22
tgm4883kostkon, I think you missed the sarcasm there ;)16:22
kostkon:(16:22
kostkondamn16:22
thebishoptgm4883, this article sounds like the requirements are general, not specific to the developer preview16:23
doomlordi wouldn't expect ubuntu desktop on a phone to be as slick as on an i7 pc or anything... but Linux has always excelled at being workable on minimal hardware, eg using alternate lightweight desktop managers16:23
doomlordARM should easily be able to handle a fluxbox environment for example16:24
* tgm4883 notes the requirments say 2GB ram, yet the nexus 7 has 1GB ram16:24
thebishoptrue16:24
thebishopdo we know that these requirements aren't just made-up?16:24
doomlordthats why i'm salivating at the prospect of 'full' linux on a phone/tablet16:24
thebishopdoomlord, nexus7 already has a full-blown desktop version of Ubuntu.  it's been available for a few months.  there's even a slick gui installer16:25
thebishopunity and all16:25
tgm4883thebishop, have you used it?16:25
thebishoptgm4883, last time i used it it was pretty sluggish16:25
doomlordok.. maybe i scratch the itch by getting an n7 to run that. but i would also like a n1016:25
tgm4883at UDS, it was more of a "wow, that is neat" rather than a "now that is something I can use"16:26
thebishopand trying to use touch with the regular desktop is just a non-starter.  but it was workable after i paired my bluetooth keyboard/mouse16:26
thebishophttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation16:26
tgm4883doomlord, note that the n10 isn't considered a "high end tablet" by those specs16:26
fyksenAnybody done flashing?16:26
doomlordyes i note that16:26
tgm4883fyksen, I'm backing up my n7 first16:26
tgm4883+at work :(16:26
doomlordthis is for ms surface pro perhaps16:26
thebishoptgm4883, yeah that was definitely my experience.  but I think that team was working on improving responsiveness.  i imagine that work went into the image we'll get today16:26
fyksentgm4883, I'm going without backup16:27
fyksenThe command "quantal-preinstalled-boot-armel+grouper.img: OK16:27
fyksenPushing /home/fyksen/Nedlastinger/phablet-flash/95/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip to /sdcard/autodeploy.zip16:27
fyksen" Takes some time doh :/( :P16:27
tgm4883fyksen, well, I'm transfering some of my apps to my nexus4 (thank you carbon), then I can flash :)16:27
fyksenHaven't really used my n7 so much, and apps are one play store anyways : )16:28
popeymy n7 is flashed ☺16:28
fyksenpopey, that was fast16:28
thebishoppopey, flashed with what?16:28
ubuntubhoystill downloading the image16:28
popeythe image16:28
doomlordcan an n7  drive external screen (MHL) ... i'm guessing that would be 1280x800 though16:29
popeynope16:29
fyksenDone flashing! :D Booting up now! Can't wait ;)16:29
mhall11982% ......16:29
thebishopdoomlord, i think you're miss informed there16:30
ubuntubhoy3 partitions?16:30
thebishopdoomlord, n7 doesn't have MHL16:30
ubuntubhoypushing now16:30
doomlordok thats why i say "can.."16:30
thebishopdoomlord, ah yes16:31
thebishopwhop[s16:31
thebishopnope, i haven't found any standard way of outputting n7 video to an external display16:31
doomlorda questionmark would have made it clearer i guess16:31
ptlit's released16:31
thebishopthere's a project implementing a streaming technology similar to miracast, but it requires its own rom16:31
thebishopmaybe somebody would work  on getting that supported in Ubuntu16:32
doomlordcan you dual-boot ubuntu-arm/android16:32
doomlordon  n716:32
thebishopdoomlord, i haven't seen any way of doing that.  you definitely can't using the current n7 ubuntu build16:33
thebishopit might be technically possible but i've never heard of anyone doing it16:34
fyksenhttp://ubuntuone.com/7HH76AUdI9QUtmUs9i7LOd done! :D16:35
ubuntubhoyyou can dualboot ubuntu and Android, so no reason why not16:35
thebishopubuntubhoy, partitioning N7's internal storage?  All the dualboot solutions I've heard of use one OS on internal storage and another on MicroSD16:35
thebishopfyksen, looking nice where's the download?16:36
doomlorddoes n7 ubuntu pass touch events to applications (i realise few would actually use them)16:36
mhall119doomlord: I believe so, yes16:37
thebishopubuntubhoy, you got any details on dual-boot solutions?16:37
doomlordi would be interested in reworking desktop apps to be touchfriendly, for my own use..16:37
thebishopdoomlord, SDK is already available ;)16:37
thebishopQuickly16:37
doomlordi'd also be curious to see if they already have multitouch tweaks , i heard of 3-finger window drag. how abou 4 fingers for desktop-switching..16:38
M4rtinKthebishop: maybe checkout how Cyanogenmod works on the HP Touchpad ?16:39
M4rtinKTouchpad has no removable storage & I can boot between Web OS & Android just fine16:39
mhall119doomlord: use the Launcher button for workspace switching16:39
SoulShadowpeople use webos?16:39
M4rtinKI say "I can", not "I do" :)16:40
SoulShadowlol16:40
doomlordi think idea of 'more fingers moves more' works well on apple/desktop..  1 finger=cursor, 2 fingers scrolls a window, 3 fingers flips desktops... i think that would extend well..16:41
mhall119doomlord: 6 fingers?16:42
SoulShadowi don't think that would work very well on a tablet16:42
ptlthese instructions are for android16:42
ptlhow do I reflash if I have Ubuntu installed on the tablet?16:42
doomlordi suppose a tablet is more often used with thumbs16:43
mhall119popey: ^^16:43
mhall119any iea16:43
mhall119idea16:43
thebishopM4rtinK, HP Touchpad has its own bootloader16:43
thebishophttp://code.google.com/p/moboot/16:43
popeyjust boot into ubuntu and run phablet-flash again16:43
popeyit will reflash it16:43
* popey has done this about 6 times today16:43
mhall119popey: even if it has the old desktop version on it?16:44
popeydunno, try it ☺16:44
chouchounekaleo: are you the kaleo I think about ? (Evry stuff) ;)16:44
mhall119oh, oh, rebooting!16:45
chouchouneok, got the answer with whois, yes ;)16:45
doomlordDoes ubuntu-arm on N7 include some sort of Virtual-Mouse for pinpoint accuracy emulating a destkop16:45
fyksenIs there any way to close apps? :p16:47
chouchounefyksen: reboot16:48
chouchoune;)16:48
fyksenchouchoune, alleready done it a coupple of times :P hehe Very snappy before opening apps :)16:49
fyksenReally like the UI : )16:49
tgm4883I'm behind :( just now pushing to my nexus 716:50
chouchounefyksen: N10 ? N7 ?16:54
ptlpopey: what do you mean? it does not respond to adb16:55
popeyhmm16:57
popeyI've not tried it tbh ptl16:57
ali1234ptl: if you look at source of phablet-flash you can see what it is doing with fastboot16:57
ali1234basically, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/16:58
ali1234get images for your device16:58
ali1234flash them with fastboot16:58
ptlok16:59
ali1234ptl: it is structured like an android rom, because it basically is16:59
ptlthanks16:59
ali1234so you flash recovery, system, user, boot partitions16:59
ali1234you might need to do some other bits, so check the source of the tool16:59
ali1234i suspect if you have something like clockworkmod installed you can put those zipfiles on sdcard and install them that way17:01
ptlI an flashing the Nexus 417:02
ptlI think I will flash the Nexus7 later17:02
ptlmaybe I will reflash android just to use the friendly interface to flash ubuntu again17:02
fyksenchouchoune, n7 :)17:03
ali1234so have anyone booted it up yet? does it actually play cyanogenmod boot video?17:04
tgm4883ali1234, why would it play cyanogenmod boot video?17:06
belakAh, it's out?17:07
ali1234tgm4883: because it's based on cyanogenmod, and the bootvideo is inside the images?17:07
tgm4883ali1234, ah17:07
tgm4883ali1234, no it doesn't play that video17:08
tgm4883at least, I didn't see it on my n717:08
ali1234http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip in /system/media/bootanimation.zip to be specific17:08
kaleochouchoune: oui :)17:08
belakAre there any mirrors of the demo?17:08
ali1234i guess i am the only one pulling the source at this point?17:11
ali1234getting 1mbit from git://phablet.ubuntu.com/17:11
ubuntubhoyhmm, that's handy17:21
ubuntubhoyN7 wont boot and wont let me re-flash17:21
ubuntubhoywith the installer17:21
ubuntubhoyrecovery works17:22
ubuntubhoywhat partition does phablet get flashed to via fastboot ?17:32
ubuntubhoyuserdata ?17:32
rob_wso do we have a toolchain to build proper kernels and a image ?17:49
SoulShadowsoooo18:09
SoulShadowthey're using yaffs2 instead of EXT?18:09
ali1234well it's gone very quiet in here18:23
thebishopi think this link should go in the topic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install18:24
thebishopcontains all the info/links people are looking for18:24
ali1234lol the other channel is mental18:24
ali1234i prefer it here18:24
thebishopali1234, which channel?18:25
ali1234#ubuntu-phone18:25
ali1234see what i mean?18:25
ubuntubhoyhere is better18:30
ali1234i tried running it in qemu earlier18:31
ali1234didn't work18:31
ali1234sig 11 on any graphical app18:31
ali1234probably because of crazy android stuff18:31
ubuntubhoyI quiet like it18:32
ubuntubhoyvery unfinished18:32
ubuntubhoybut it's nice18:32
ali1234is there an apt database inside the image?18:33
ubuntubhoynot looked in anything yet18:34
ubuntubhoyat work18:34
ubuntubhoyso no real time18:34
ali1234deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ quantal main restricted universe multiverse18:35
ali1234appears to be the only repository18:35
ali1234btw, is the final release the same as the leaked version from earlier?18:35
ali1234hmm i can just check md5sum :)18:36
ali1234hah, but no apt inside root filesystem18:39
ali1234but we have dpkg18:39
nexus7userhow do i update nex7? is there an update yet?18:50
ali1234nexus7user: try #ubuntu-phone18:50
doomlordhow is ubuntu-tablet as a *developper environment*18:54
doomlordis it enough to use as a target to write tablet apps :)18:54
doomlordwith native code .. c++... no Java or ObjC in the way..18:54
ali1234doomlord: the supported API is QML18:55
ali1234you can use C++ if you want18:55
doomlordcan you use C++, openGL|ES for pure graphical applications (not necaserily platform specific UI) - like one can run on iOS, android-NDK18:56
ubuntubhoyas the whole lot is recovery flashable, why bother with the installer ?19:18
doomlordanyone posted any videos of their experiences with this yet19:19
popey18:23:19 < ali1234> well it's gone very quiet in here19:20
popeyeveryone is in #ubuntu-phone tbh19:20
ubuntubhoykeep em there19:20
popeyWe'll merge the channels over the weekend when it quietens down19:20
ubuntubhoyAnd Paranoid android restored19:23
ubuntubhoyI like that I can just restore Ubuntu when I want to try it19:23
ubuntubhoykeeps things nice and easy and clean19:23
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belakSo, if it's possible to flash using just a recovery... how can I do that?20:58
hourdwould it be possible to use something like multirom?21:07
ptlanyone had installed on Nexus 7 and tried to get root? I used adb root, then adb shell, then ubuntu_chroot but at the first attempt it fails, in the second attempt it hangs, with the same warning: nount: device or resource busy, then swapon: /data/ubuntu/SWAP.swap: Device or resource busy22:08
robertjwi just tried out the touch developer preview on the Nexus 7 and am having trouble with the browser.  Is there a known bug with entry of text in forms, or am I doing something wrong?22:14
ptlrobertjw: were you able to install openssh?22:20
ptlah... resolved22:24
doomlordany developpers previewing it yet?22:47
ptldoomlord: ?23:02
ptldoomlord: :23:02
roastedhello!23:07
doomlordjust wondered, has anyone downloaded tried it out as a development target :)23:07
roastedsending 'system' (92311 KB)...23:08
roastedbeen there for quite a while :/23:08
robertjwi have it running on a nexus 7, but I'm still looking for a way to get to a terminal, anyone?23:10
roastedI don't have it running so don't hit me if this is a stupid suggestion - can you bring up a keyboard and do CTRL ALT T?23:11
robertjwroasted, the keyboard is very basic and does not have a CTRL key23:12
roastedthe crap, I just got an error when transferring23:12
roastedit magically became disconnected from my system during the transfer. adb devices is empty now.23:12
Akiva-Thinkpadwhat codecs does ubuntu tablet plan to have preinstalled23:14
Akiva-Thinkpador containers?23:14
Akiva-ThinkpadI am thinking that in development, should I just stick with Vorbis?23:14
doomlordhahah thats a good question - does ubuntu tablet have a terminal ?23:16
roastedriddle me this. When my Nexus 7 was booted to Android, I could pick it up via adb devices. I was in mid transfer of Ubuntu OS to my Nexus 7 over USB when it became disconnected somehow as it errored out. I ran adb devices, nothing. But of course now I can't get into Android since it's wiped... but when I was in Android is the only time I picked it up in adb...23:16
k1l_doomlord: i think it was in the standard apps mentioned23:16
k1l_the ones that get codec with the community23:16
Akiva-Thinkpaddoomlord: As far as I know, they are keeping it23:19
Akiva-ThinkpadThey would be foolish not to23:19
Akiva-Thinkpadall that would do is ostrocise linux users23:19
doomlordyes linux & ubuntu should keep a terminal wherever it it23:19
doomlordyes linux & ubuntu should keep a terminal wherever it i23:19
doomlordis^23:19
GuidoPallemansdevs,  is there any way to save settings in a qml app?23:20
M4rtinKnot directly23:29
M4rtinKeither use a C++ type/plugin23:29
M4rtinKor there is some sqlite access directly from QML23:29
M4rtinKwhich is quite ugly IMHO23:30
GuidoPallemansthere's a plugin from the qtquick side23:31
GuidoPallemansbut they said that you could upload your app files to ubuntu one23:31
GuidoPallemanshaven't seen that yet23:31
k1l_doomlord: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps?action=show&redirect=UbuntuPhone%2FCoreApps23:32
k1l_that are the standard apps that are getting build with the community.23:33
GuidoPallemans"with the community" = "with a small part of the community"23:34
k1l_"with the community who wants to and is able to"  iirc23:36
robertjwok, terminal is in the list, but I'm not seeing a way to launch it23:36
k1l_i dont know if its included yet23:37
GuidoPallemansnot included23:37
GuidoPallemansyou might pull it from lp though23:37
doomlordwould there be another IRC channel to discuss ubuntu-tablet-dev  , or are any of the existing ones fine for that23:38
k1l_this is fine23:38
k1l_if the breaking news is gone the channels will come back to regular dev work :)23:38
GuidoPallemansI hope so... man... I tried to ask a question...23:39
doomlordfor C++ on ubuntu tablet... what "environment" does it get ... qt application?23:40
ptlit's not running X23:40
ptlwhat are you guys using for the graphics?23:41
doomlordi'm after raw GL|ES like android-NDK23:41
robertjwso, without a terminal how am I supposed to enable sshd?23:43
GuidoPallemanshave you pulled the lp code yet?23:44
robertjwapparently not.  link?23:44
k1l_robertjw: posted it 12mins ago23:45
GuidoPallemansno that's to the wiki23:45
k1l_well, he can hangle through to lp from that link23:46
robertjwi'm not understanding what you are saying.  is there a terminal that can be installed?  or is there an alternate way to enable sshd?23:47
GuidoPallemansthis is everything that they have yet: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-terminal-dev/ubuntu-terminal-app/trunk/view/head:/terminal.qml23:48
GuidoPallemansso... nothing, really23:48
robertjwaha, the tablet supports adb so you can get to a usb shell with 'adb shell',  that solves my problem23:59

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