[00:00] First post !! [00:01] can i uninstall gwibler and empathy without breaking any system features in ubuntu 12.10? [00:02] You can in 12.04, that's for sure. [00:03] i just installed 12.10 and i never use empathy or gwibler so i was wondering if i could remove them [00:06] Should be ok. [00:07] amayer: You know *how* , right ? [00:08] sudo apt-get remove empathy ? [00:08] use the software center... [00:08] or in the software center [00:08] right. === redtape-renegade is now known as redtape-AFK === soreau_ is now known as soreau === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [08:38] morning all [08:39] morning AlanBell [08:56] Gooood Morning! [08:59] my VPS has been up for 686d17h [09:00] jacobw: Kernel exploit incoming. [09:00] :) [09:00] ksplice would have fixed that if oracle hadn't burried it [09:01] oh, looks like it has been kind of resurected a bit [09:03] the website was broken for a while http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/download-ubuntu and I kind of assume anything going into Oracle has gone forever these days [09:04] ksplice will still fix it, and Oracle will probably give you a discount if you purchase within a week of the fix [09:07] Good morning, people! :-D === michelle is now known as Guest96537 === Guest96537 is now known as michelle_ [09:27] any recommedations for a graphics and image editor that is not GIMP [09:28] pinta? [09:28] czajkowski: tuxpaint? [09:28] ah not heard of that [09:28] tuxpaint [09:28] paint.net [09:29] has to be OSS [09:29] paint.net is freeer than it sounds [09:29] bah [09:29] * neuro temporarily has no car [09:29] AlanBell: ack [09:29] it's off getting repairs to repairs [09:29] cheers [09:30] popey: how did the tablet endurance test go? [09:30] mate sent me an email - I need OSS solutions/ideas to the followin: [09:30] Mail [09:30] firewall [09:30] and antivirus [09:30] actually maybe it isn't free as in freedom [09:30] czajkowski: Sell him UA. [09:31] pinta is a good un, and usable like paintshoppro [09:31] czajkowski: Mail server or client? ufw, then there's clamav. [09:31] also krita [09:32] jpds: hmmm I figured client [09:32] he didnt ask [09:32] gmail [09:33] thunderbird [09:33] shouldn't need a firewall if you don't open up any services unnecessarily [09:33] thunderbird is dead [09:33] * AlanBell uses thunderbird [09:33] it's not [09:33] its lovely [09:33] and unpleasant to use these days, imho [09:33] and works! [09:33] czajkowski: zimbra [09:33] very klunky, slow [09:34] mungbean: what's that? [09:34] zimbra isn't a client, it's a server [09:34] woops didnt see that bit [09:34] thought they wanted mai lserver [09:34] it's basically free exchange [09:34] neuro: Can act as an IMAP client... [09:34] jpds: not exactly MUA material though [09:34] thunderbird isnt dead [09:35] is mozilla still developing it? [09:35] it's pining for the fjords? [09:35] :) [09:35] neuro: yes, apparently no new features though [09:35] well, it's dead then, isn't it [09:35] geary is a nice new email client [09:35] or at the very least motionless [09:35] neuro: no, its feature complete [09:35] i gave my mum thunderbird [09:35] yeah, heard nice things about geary [09:35] ali1234: YOU DID WHAT?! [09:35] oh, i see [09:36] compared to outlook express it looks like the most amazing program ever [09:36] geary is missing search atm but is nice [09:36] yeah, my folks both use thunderbird too [09:36] and she only sends about 1 email a week so she doesn't hit the problems it has [09:36] i use it 24x7 at work [09:36] thunderbird's an awesome way to make it feel like you've got less ram than you actually do [09:36] (tb) [09:36] no way was i letting them use microsoft mail [09:36] disable offline caching [09:36] BigRedS: :)) my point exactly [09:36] and thunderbird is fine [09:36] i couldn't figure out how to configure microsoft mail [09:36] mungbean: defeats the point of imap then [09:36] might as well just use gmail [09:36] otherwise i would have done [09:37] neuro: the point of imap isn't offline caching [09:37] ali1234: hehe [09:37] neuro: depends if you're talking always connected desktop or not [09:37] the point of imap is to read mail on the server, rather than pop-style downloading-and-reading [09:37] you get what you pay for === RZAFC2 is now known as RZAFC1 [09:37] BigRedS: thank you for teaching me to suck eggs ;) [09:37] haha [09:37] my point was ... [09:38] i have a stick ,,. keys today, now i realise why this beyboard was going spare [09:38] Sorry, poor imap implementations are a bugbear of mine. I love how nothing implements imap properly [09:38] why bother using something like imap if you're not going to take advantage of offline caching [09:38] with no local cache you might as well use gmail web interface because it's better than thundebird [09:38] but ... [09:38] the problem with offline caching is the ram/disk footprint [09:38] my mum's imap client is roundcube [09:38] ali1234: that was pretty much my point [09:38] neuro: you can search in thunderbird within folders without doing the download for indexing [09:38] its the indexing that sahgs your pc [09:38] in fact you might as well do that anyway because offline cache is pointless [09:39] yeah, i know [09:39] you can't send or receive emails = email is pointless anyway [09:39] but what i'm trying to say here, probably unsuccessfully, is why use a local client if not to cache [09:39] i don't get your point [09:39] ali beat me to it :) [09:39] and don't give me that "i need to check something in my email" because how are you going to action it without internet? [09:40] actually ali didn't beat me to it, misread [09:40] Any web devs got any ideas, usig lazyload in a admin page of mine, works fine in a standard html/php page, include it in my admin page the only time the images appear is not after scrolling but if i resize/redraw the page [09:40] i use a local client cos i have loads of mail that i want to order easily by sender, filter for words in the body ,etc [09:40] do things easily that webclients don' do [09:40] gmail does that MUCH better than thunderbird does [09:40] and not all email lives on gmail [09:40] and much faster too [09:40] all mine does [09:40] this is my work email [09:40] i set up redirects and aliases [09:40] ali1234: the big thing I miss with mutt/msmtp is that it's harder to deal with mail on the train [09:41] the trains i go on have wifi [09:41] because I can't just pretend it's sent and assume it'll work next time I'm connected. I have to postpone the mail and then send it all when I get online [09:41] * AlanBell liked Lotus Notes, but it didn't really handle multiple email accounts well [09:41] yeah, our DC is basically on a farm [09:41] that reminds me i need to book a ticket [09:41] AlanBell: WAT?! [09:41] lotus notes, the scourge of the galaxy [09:41] * AlanBell was a notes developer for 10 years or so [09:41] you have my sympathies, sir [09:41] nosql before it was cool [09:41] hehe [09:42] i was still in school when notes was popular [09:42] bloomin' whippersnappers [09:42] Yeah, we had an IT lesson where someone brought in a laptop with Lotus on it and gave us a demo 'cause it was likely we'd be woring with this when we left school [09:43] gah, "IT" based around specific apps rather than the science itself [09:43] yeah, this was at school. it's all like that [09:43] http://devref.com/ <- best thing ever [09:43] it was a nosql engine with rock solid replication, a public key infrastructure, and a built in IDE [09:43] when i were a lad, computing studies wor all about programmin and that [09:43] that, and novell netware [09:43] and they decided to build a crappy email client with it [09:43] which I liked - for a single account [09:43] novell netware was awesome in its day [09:44] ali1234: my first IT job involved decomming some Netware [09:44] * neuro was a 3.x->4.x veteran [09:44] i remember a lost weekend doing a 3.x to 4.x migration [09:44] probably still the most efficient development platform I have ever used [09:44] well, I replaced the only guy who knew netware when he left. 'decomming' was basically turning off a few servers and hoping that when people shouted we could replicate whatever they wanted on Windows Server [09:44] neuro: IT isn't computer science [09:45] but on the fun side, i got to race my colleague down the corridor using dell poweredge disk chassis as go carts [09:45] novell netware is actually freeware for single license [09:45] has been for years [09:45] "is"? [09:45] blimey [09:45] you can download it and play with it as long as you only connect one machine to it [09:46] it's not bad if you need to network dos machines [09:46] wut [09:47] * neuro had dos 6.22, wfwg 3.11, nt 4.0, win95, win98, win2000 and mac os 9 clients hanging off nw411 [09:47] and debian [09:47] yeah dos and 16 bit windows [09:47] that was a eureka day [09:47] anything newer and there is no point to using netware [09:47] "I CAN CONNECT TO NW411 FROM DEBIAN LOLZ!" "err, ok?" [09:47] ali1234: errm, because? [09:47] we still have netware [09:48] because they have tcp/ip stacks built it [09:48] what are you talking about? [09:48] my employer has a server room full of netware servers in active service [09:51] hmmm [09:51] getting decommed this year hopefully for a netapp [09:51] the last netware guy is getting nervous [09:51] netapp, lovely [09:52] cos he hasn't updated his skills set for 15 years [09:52] just punt him on a netapp training course [09:52] jings, if I can admin a netapp, anyone can [09:53] i don't think he's employable anymore [09:53] some old relic [09:53] :) [10:31] morning everyone. [10:31] hello [10:32] hello mungbean [10:33] what is a colophon widget? [10:33] sounds painful [10:38] it's just one big widget, apparently [10:39] bulk ordering of condoms ftw..150 for £15 [10:39] http://www.squidoo.com/wordpress-colophon [10:39] "A colophon is a fancy word for a list of acknowledgements in a book or, increasingly, on a Web site." [10:42] mungbean: bit off topic that [10:42] sorry, just received a delivery from the postie. [10:43] thoiught it was a early brithday pressie [10:43] mungbean is a cheap date ;) === redtape-AFK is now known as redtape-renegade [10:47] i'm married so i can plan ahead [10:47] expiry date 2017 [10:47] Morning everyone .. Back to Uni for me ..::: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_charge_when_to_charge_table [10:50] \o/ no more condoms [10:52] had the walnut whip? [10:52] ya [10:53] lol [10:54] popey: Saw your tablet post on G+ :: Well done .. I think there are a lot of responses/comments .. Canonical must be in it's boon-period atmo. [10:55] depends who you ask [10:55] I ask ebay .. [10:56] i love the ubuntu on tablet idea [10:56] seems to be the ideal form factor for that type of UI [10:56] android on my tablet is a bit restrictive [10:56] i always want to do more with it [10:59] me too .. but I have a nook color :) [11:01] saw someone selling a sony prs-300 for £20 the other day [11:01] ooh elensie's .. time for news and cream things :D [11:02] working from bed today [11:03] **elevensie's [11:04] mungbean: You mentioned ebay .. my postman just dropped off a used digital camera I got for about the same price .. :) [11:04] * redtape-renegade feels bad for all the cold postman today .. [11:04] i got my package from NHS freedom site :P [11:04] **postmen [11:04] mungbean: is that a smoking pack ? [11:04] wouldn't trust contraceptives from ebay ! [11:05] ooohh I've sold aew .. [11:05] **afew.. [11:05] has nayone seen those ecigs in IRL? [11:06] Two things that should be banned on selling on ebay : razors (blades) and hard-drives !! [11:06] yes [11:06] i have one here [11:06] popey: Your in Ireland ?? [11:06] I can't imagine I'd ever buy a hard drive on ebay. [11:06] https://www.smokerelief.co.uk/ [11:06] for fun? or you smoke a bit? [11:06] to evaluate it ☺ [11:07] Aaahh [11:07] to install linux on it [11:07] how scientific you are :) [11:07] yes, i'm intrigued, althouh i never touched a cig in my life [11:07] ditto [11:07] I gave up, took me 10 years. [11:07] well done .. I'm on 20 rollie's a-day. [11:08] I used to smoke them, redtape-renegade - was cheaper [11:08] redtape-renegade: ever tried the eciggy? [11:08] dwatkins: yeah, there's a niceity to how cheap rollies actually are [11:08] i have a couple of friends who switched from cigs to robofags [11:09] I was discussing 'quitting' recently on #ubuntu-offtopic, it's not really quitting if you just switch to robofags, although it's probably marginally better [11:09] popey: dubious method of advertising on that site [11:09] scantily clad woman [11:09] * popey shrugs [11:09] appealing to their target audience I imagine [11:10] all that smoke on the page makes me feel short of breath [11:10] mungbean: No, but there is a cafe called .. err coffee and vags or something on the high street .. I here all trhe cafe are changing to allow for e.cig customers v.soon .. Hookers ahoy !! [11:10] ***hear [11:11] not sure why there is a usb stick in the efag packet [11:11] you get a USB ? [11:11] what capacity ? [11:12] dunno, just looking at pics [11:13] oh poo ... [11:13] * redtape-renegade was thinking more along the lines of Impossible Mission .. the tobacco version :D [11:14] mungbean: its a charger [11:14] I see .. [11:14] the white bit is a battery which charges via a usb adapter [11:14] the brown bit contains the magic smoke [11:15] had to be brown, had to be brown, , had to be brown, [11:15] you screw them together and smoke, when the brown bit is empty you bin it, when the white bit is dead you recharge it [11:15] i got sent a pen in the post. [11:15] after a few weeks, my colleague was fiddling with it and found a usb stick [11:15] had centos on it [11:15] I've got loads of pens .. last week .. [11:16] some cool talks at http://www.eventbrite.com/event/5478408066 [11:16] tonight [11:17] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Merchandise%20Mania%20%28Kubuntu%20Pens%29%20takes%20Royal%20Mail%204%20days%20to%20arrive%20usually%20by%20.png [11:18] Morning all you funky people [11:19] dwatkins: What tobacco did you smoke then (for rolies) .. what was it called ? [11:22] o/ [11:23] ha haaaaaa [11:23] my epic 3 week star trek enterprise marathon is complete [11:23] ewww [11:24] shudders at the thought [11:24] it gets a bad rep, but it's better than some guff on telly just now [11:25] just a shame the series finale is a bit poo [11:25] not sure whether to go TOS or TNG now [11:25] cos season 1 of tng is awful [11:26] i wonder at what point these ubuntu touch images are appearing [11:27] * redtape-renegade chucked away his Tele 12 months ago .. never looked back !! [11:29] you never watch any movies or tv shows at home? ever? [11:34] i wouldn't bother with a telly if i wans't marrried [11:34] Just uploaded this https://github.com/Azelphur/pyPushBullet which will probably be useful to a bunch of people in here, command line push notifications to your android phone :P [11:34] mungbean: how so? [11:34] Azelphur: nice [11:35] :) [11:35] it's also a python library. [11:35] * popey chuckles at xda-developers finding an image of ubuntu phone touch preview [11:35] i generally don't like android, but there are some bits that as an ios user, i'm a bit jealous of :) [11:35] I think the latest upgrade might have broken my suspend... [11:36] popey: didn't they already show video of that anyway? [11:36] neuro: being able to set your ringtone? hahahaha. [11:36] * Azelphur runs [11:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDsADuxb43Q that one? [11:36] popey: is there an official time for release (i'm not asking to tell us, if in fact you know it, just asking is there actually an official time) :) [11:36] or not. [11:36] Azelphur: i can change my ringtone to whatever i want! [11:36] we don't give times [11:36] popey: pfff [11:36] but the PR people told everyone ~4pm [11:37] dates but no times always winds me up [11:37] hehe [11:37] meh [11:38] Azelphur: i can set custom ringtones on a per contact basis as well, it's just sms tones that aren't configurable beyond those that ship with the device [11:38] popey: not hassling you, just making a general comment :) [11:38] neuro: tv is generally take or leave it. its ok if i watch it, but don't miss it when i don't [11:38] hehe [11:38] i know [11:38] but my wife likes it [11:38] she likes the cut of its jib, does she? [11:40] i don't really watch live tv these days (my horror at seeing This Morning yesterday should have been relatively transparent), but I enjoy segments of broadcast TV's output [11:40] along with other sources of content (movies, le youtube, etc) [11:41] broadcast tv is just another input source [11:41] i never understand the grimacing against it [11:42] BBC 1, 2 and 4 are ok [11:42] and the odd thing on channel 4 [11:42] bbc three is getting better [11:42] at least it's better than it was [11:42] no it isn't [11:42] BBC3 was good for about a year after it was launched and has been rubbish ever since [11:43] it wasn't called BBC3 then though [11:43] BBC Choice [11:43] BBC Knowledge! [11:44] neuro: I download them to my computer and watch on a 24 inch monitor .. :) [11:44] so you're still watching TV then :) [11:44] popey: remember BBC Select? [11:44] until iplayer requires a tv licence to use then number of tv owners will drop [11:44] No, I'm watching internet ..Tele is dead t o me !! [11:45] mungbean: iplayer *does* require a tv licence, if you're watching the live streams [11:45] redtape: if you're watching programmes from broadcast TV networks, you're watching TV, I'm afraid [11:45] oh, Istill pay £145.50 to the beeb alrighjt, that's for sure .. [11:46] for the live streams? [11:46] neuro, As the son of a TV shop owner . I totally disagree .. you are just bainwashed into saying that !! [11:46] redtape: brainwashed into saying what? [11:46] **brainwashed.. [11:46] ...that's the law... [11:47] neuro: Into saying I watch TV.. [11:47] the wording of the act that provides for the tv license doesn't specify a broadcast medium [11:47] It did, IIRC, specify that the thing was mains powered [11:47] but I think they changed thatr [11:47] not iirc [11:47] it's still there [11:47] .. I don't have a Television or watch 'scheduled' programmes ever ! [11:47] oh, haha [11:47] redtape: i could say the same if all I ever did was timeshifted everything on my DVR [11:48] but it's still "watching television" [11:48] ah, I guess that's to stop people needing a tv license for a lorry cab or something [11:48] .. yeah , but are being 'told' what you can and cannot watcgh .. where as I have the full choice of the torrent sitesv ! [11:48] lol wat [11:49] your brainwashed ! [11:49] TV is a dead medium ! [11:49] derpity derpity doooo [11:49] redtape: but you're watching TV programmes!! *boggle* [11:49] neuro: I dont atall . I watch torent films ! [11:50] ^watch^steal [11:50] no [11:50] copyright infringement is not theft [11:50] you're not depriving the owner of the item [11:50] I heard someone say recently it's more akin to trespassing [11:50] wel that is a separate issue .. the one that keep people hypnotized by terrestial tv. [11:50] yes, it's a crime, but no, it's not theft [11:51] ok [11:51] agree [11:51] I'm not sure how accurate that is, but it fits in my mind [11:51] i totally disagree with everyone here [11:51] redtape: okthxbai [11:51] ali1234: not unusual for you ;-) [11:51] ali1234: What's new ?? [11:51] hehe [11:51] civil offence vs criminal [11:51] there's that as well [11:51] mgdm: He should have a G+ page or something .. wanna do one ? [11:52] redtape-renegade: who should? [11:52] ali1234: [11:52] I'm not sure why I would be bothered with making a page for someone else :-) [11:52] or indeed bothered using a weird social network :) [11:52] i hope for the day when you get an ebook for free with a paper book [11:53] mungbean: like a digital copy with a dvd or blu ray :) [11:53] Aaah, the selfish-gene just kicked in on this #channel :) [11:53] that would be neat [11:53] neuro: yes, since its only format shifting, i shouldn't have to pay twice [11:53] redtape: i say this with all due respect, but you're odd, sir :) [11:53] I notice they are doing that with Blueray now [11:53] aye [11:53] using Ultraviolet [11:53] or iTunes [11:54] Ultraviolet makes sense for books. [11:54] what is it? [11:54] buy book, get rights to use on any platform [11:54] yes [11:54] popey: are you using ultraviolet [11:54] I havec a rockbox .. fcuk iTunes !! [11:54] mungbean: http://www.uvvu.com/ [11:54] an agreement that when you buy the DVD you can use other means to get digital copy [11:54] it's a nice idea [11:55] more platform agnostic than Digital Copy [11:55] taken a long while to get started [11:55] amazed that I saw discs in the local petrol station with it on [11:55] :) [11:55] what i can't remember is if ultraviolet does HD copies [11:55] they've had that since at least 2011, cos my dad got loads of blu rays with that and he had no idea what it was [11:55] Digital Copy is usually SD, sadly [11:55] which is annoying when you've bought the blu ray [11:56] i've never watched the didigtal copy, seems to be a windows thing [11:56] it's an itunes thing [11:56] and DRM laden [11:56]