[03:05] <InHisName> I have a / with grub and wish to add to it a /boot partition, what do I change in grub to fix it besides the fstab ?
[10:32] <rmg51> Morning
[13:14] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and anyone else who doesn't fit any of those categories
[13:42] <InHisName> morning
[14:32] <ChinnoDog> woof
[14:41] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon!
[14:51] <ChinnoDog> i wish i had some bacon
[15:49]  * InHisName might have a cold
[15:52] <waltman> cold bacon?
[17:03] <ChinnoDog> Cold bacon compress. Doubles as lunch.
[17:16] <ChinnoDog> I found the keyboard of my dreams but it is $222 :-(
[17:17] <ChinnoDog> http://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/index.php
[18:47] <InHisName> But, ChinnoDog, the keytops aren't OLEDs that are reprogrammable.
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> But it looks comfy and it fits on my keyboard tray and it does no thave the tenkey
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> And really, I'm never going to reprogram the keys.
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> (Unless I change the language of the keyboard but I depend on the keys to be the same for that)
[18:49] <InHisName> Lots cheaper than the lighted one,  Maybe 93% less than last price I saw for that fancy-smancy one.
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> I just want a comfortable ergonomic keyboard that is narrow enough that I can keep my mouse on my tray. I don't use tenkey so tenkeyless is ideal.
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> And I don't want to do this --> http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=215345
[18:51] <InHisName> Go for it then
[18:52] <ChinnoDog> I am not going for it. I do not have $200 to burn
[18:52] <InHisName> He sawed it off, HA!
[18:52] <ChinnoDog> You would think that would break the keyboard, right? lol
[18:53] <InHisName> Sure would expect the circuit board to be ruined.  Unless designed to be 'separate' enough to saw in right place.
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> I don't think Microsoft intended for users to hack off the tenkey
[18:55] <ChinnoDog> I have an urge to try it but I am not going to.
[18:55] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I will just use a mouse bridge
[18:56] <InHisName> do like an organ with two ranks.  Put the mouse on shelf over the keyboard.  You don't stare at keys do you ?
[18:59] <ChinnoDog> I don't look at the keys at all.
[19:00] <ChinnoDog> I never have. I learned to type properly. My roomies in college thought it was weird that I would turn to look at them while speaking even though I was still typing on IRC
[19:00] <MutantTurkey> 5~I dunno I dont look at keys  but I also mess up a lot
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> but I don't need to look at my messups, I k just know that I made them
[19:01] <JonathanD> My mouse is already in my keyboard. Can't get it any closer.
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> i need to work onm my typing skills really.
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: that's what I'm saying
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> i wann nub keyboard for the deskop
[19:03] <JonathanD> You can get one.
[19:03] <MutantTurkey> I know
[19:03] <JonathanD> they're under $60 now
[19:04] <ChinnoDog> Where? (besides the Thinkpad one)
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> that's the one
[19:05] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: the thinkpad one.
[19:05] <JonathanD> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Lenovo-ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/1854006.aspx?cm_mmc=ShoppingFeeds-_-GoogleBasePromo-_-Keyboard/Mice/Input%20Devices-_-1854006_Lenovo%20ThinkPad%20USB%20Keyboard%20with%20TrackPoint_LVO-55Y9003
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> The reviews I've seen on those suggest there is a technical problem with typing over 40wpn
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> I type at 115wpm so that would be a serious impediment.
[19:06] <ChinnoDog> I mean, I used to type at 115. I'm getting old, typing is getting slower. Right, jedijf?
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> my tying is terrible anyway
[19:09] <waltman> ChinnoDog: You need one of these -- http://www.pfusystems.com/embedded-keyboard/hhkb/index.html
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> doesnt matter when you are programming
[19:10] <waltman> sure it does!
[19:11] <waltman> well, it depends on the language, I guess
[19:11]  * waltman wants a clicky keyboard that plays well with OSX.
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> I got 89 wpm on a tester wiht 6 mistakes
[19:12] <waltman> I mean, I'll use it 99% of the time with linux, but it would make me happy if it had an apple key instead of a windows key.
[19:12] <waltman> MutantTurkey: correction, *7* mistakes!
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> waltman: do they make aftermarket mac keybaords?
[19:12] <JonathanD> I am out of red jelly beans
[19:13] <waltman> MutantTurkey: they do
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I don't think the mac keyboards would be good form someone with typing issues and wrist problems
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> they are nice otherwise though
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> waltman: That is neat but not ergonomic
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: 6 month follow up on my dad's T61. His biggest complaint is the lack of a ergonomic keyboard.
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> I was sort of shocked
[19:13] <waltman> the cs dept sysadmin has one. it's nicely compact
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> the hhk?
[19:14] <JonathanD> I like my thinkpad keyboard, personally
[19:14] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: but at work I elevate it so theres a bit of a angle
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: I think we are going to buy him one to plugin in. HE types a lot.
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: how fast do you type?
[19:14] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: no idea.
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> I mean one of his projects was transposing entire books
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> so
[19:14] <waltman> We've got big ol' logitech wireless keyboards in the lab. They're big and have way too many keys, but they're the first ergonomic keyboards I've tried that don't annoy me.
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/secrets-and-sovereigns-daniel-paul-morrison/1006445061?ean=9780974943800
[19:15] <waltman> it's only a tiny bit ergo
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> I got a new logitech mouse for like 15 bucks used on amazon - it's awesome
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> and no visible laser! (I guess it's infared?
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> hmmm... drexel med is joining drexel full
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> interesting
[19:19] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: it actually reads your mind. The eye is just for show.
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> I think it is down to Logitech wireless wave, MS comfort desktop 5000, or MS natural ergonomic 7000
[19:19] <JonathanD> Meanwhile it's broadcasting each thought to the government.
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> mental keylogger
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> waltman: I agree they are all only a little bit ergo. sigh
[19:21] <ChinnoDog> The logitech one is a monstrosity
[19:23] <waltman> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-keyboard-k350 is the one we have
[19:28] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I should just buy a mobile keyboard. The problem is that I need to be sure it has full sized keys. http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/sculpt-mobile-keyboard/T9T-00001
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> btw anyone see google glasses yet?
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> wow!
[19:33] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I will take my measuring tape to Microcenter later and play with some keyboards
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> heh
[19:33] <ChinnoDog> what are google glasses?
[19:34] <InHisName> digital display glasses.    ie. bicyling mph, bpm, rpm etc right in the glasses.
[19:34] <InHisName> Sorta like what terminator saw
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> the first wave of AR devices to hit the market I think
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> Oh yea, I saw those. I've been waiting for those to appear for so many years now...
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> I first saw those on TV in... 1997?
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> late 2013 early 2014 introductory price: 1,500
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> totally worth it
[19:37] <ChinnoDog> This is not the only technology that provides this type of display
[19:38] <ChinnoDog> It is interesting this is the first one that made it
[19:38] <ChinnoDog> (to mainstream)
[19:38] <waltman> You think we've got problems with driver distraction *now*?
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> You don't have to look down with the glasses though
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> right
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> they'll say "turn right now"
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> I suspect people aren't going to be all that good at focusing on both distant and near field areas of their vision at the same time though
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> with a binkly error
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: yeah I don't know how that works
[19:40] <InHisName> Most of the previous ones, required to be in dark room, not outdoors.
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> I assumed that sort of fkaed it or something
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> faked
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> can you make something look far away?
[19:40] <ChinnoDog> There was a competing technology that used a prism embedded on the surface of a pair of glasses to refract the display image. idk what ever happened to that
[19:41] <ChinnoDog> I think the glasses use a moving mirror but I haven't researched it extensively. It looks similar to the moving mirror prototype I saw.
[19:44] <ChinnoDog> I've always wondered if this fancy display technology is really necessary. I mean, the body is capable of converting recignizable signals any any serves into the proper sensory inputs
[19:44] <ChinnoDog> There are people that "see" through electrodes implanted in their tongue as well as through cameras that convert visual information into sounds
[19:45] <MutantTurkey> I'd prefer juts a signal
[19:45] <MutantTurkey> why even bother with tounge?
[19:45] <MutantTurkey> nevers
[19:45] <ChinnoDog> And if you wear a pair of goggles that inverts your field of vision after a few days you won't be able to tell it is inverted anymore
[19:45] <MutantTurkey> just hook me up to usb
[19:45] <ChinnoDog> That is what I am saying... Can't we just convert the signal into a form our body will recognize and plug it in?
[19:45] <MutantTurkey> couldn't we just sever some useless nerves or add new ones and hook that up to signals?
[19:45] <MutantTurkey> you do need to train the body though
[19:46] <ChinnoDog> That is true but most of the "traning" is biology... our brain just does it.
[19:46] <MutantTurkey> lol
[19:46] <MutantTurkey> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/USB_to_Brain
[19:46] <MutantTurkey> right, easy for babies, not for people maybe
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> I wouldn't make assumptions like that. Some things change as we get older but not everything.
[20:51] <waltman> babies aren't people?
[20:53] <pleia2> ChinnoDog brings abortion debates to whole new levels
[20:55] <ChinnoDog> Hey. I didn't differentiate between babies and people. That was all turkey talk.
[21:07] <InHisName> starting anac(h)ronistic cron     (spelled wrong, from memory)
[21:07] <InHisName> runlevel compatibilty
[21:08] <InHisName> I see those after logging into ubuntu, then returns to login screen
[21:09] <InHisName> I'm guessing something to do with video drivers ?
[21:15] <jedijf> zip up your usb port