[04:49] fp I guess [05:18] morning all [05:18] hi ludo [05:55] morning [06:01] hi Squirm [06:03] lo Tonberry [06:03] hi [06:05] good morning all [06:08] hi magespawn [06:09] o/ [06:49] hi deegee_1 superfly [06:50] Kilos: hello & hello to everyone [06:52] morning Kilos, deegee_1 [06:55] good mornings [06:57] lo pro [07:04] hi inetpro, magespawn, Tonberry and Squirm [07:04] (as well) [07:04] lol morning superfly [07:05] woohoo, earned about 11 000 action points this morning in Ingress [07:05] another 9k to go to the next level [07:12] ludo: fix your connection, or don't auto-rejoin [07:16] tumbleweed: if I upgraded the version of OpenLP in Debian now, would it make it into 13.04? [07:18] superfly: if now is in the next week, yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule [07:18] OK, I'd better get working on it then [07:19] * superfly books off tonight as "work on packaging" night [07:23] :/ [07:53] hi henkj [07:54] hi there ludo wb [08:04] hi jrgns [08:04] morning Kilos, all [08:14] morning jrgns [08:28] ludo please inform us how you fix that connection prob so we can pass on the how to to others with the same prob with mweb [08:37] fixed [08:41] hi charl_ [08:41] hi Kilos ! [08:41] Maaz: coffee on [08:41] * Maaz washes some mugs [08:42] Maaz, coffee please [08:42] Kilos: Sure [08:42] inetpro, coffee time [08:42] good idea [08:42] Maaz: coffee please [08:42] inetpro: Yessir [08:43] wb charl_ and good morning [08:43] oh ya charl_ you sposed to great all too [08:44] greet [08:44] hi inetpro [08:44] Kilos: I don't think that ludo connection is fixed yet [08:44] lol Kilos [08:44] aw [08:45] oh and I think it is a Telkom problem rather than a mweb problem [08:45] IIRC he mentioned something about line speeds [08:45] Coffee's ready for charl_, Kilos and inetpro! [08:46] no matter if he lets us know how he fixes it , it might save someone else the long rigmarole to sort it [08:46] Maaz, ty [08:46] You are welcome Kilos [08:46] telkom is very helpful when you fone in [08:46] to me anyway [08:46] I've had this before [08:46] maybe cause im so cute [08:46] ah how did you fix it [08:47] they promise you a line speed up to a certain amount without any guarantees [08:47] it's a ADSL thing [08:47] oh [08:47] swines [08:48] the connection will drop and sync again at a lower speed [08:48] mobile has its advantages at times hey [08:48] oh [08:48] so to get a stable line you would have to ask them to drop the speed [08:49] what speeds do they offer anyway [08:49] not sure [08:50] haven't used ADSL for a long time [08:50] but I remember these troubles I had [08:51] I think you can get up to 20mbps these days [08:51] if you are lucky [08:51] work that out in mB [08:51] x8 hey [08:51] why? [08:51] divide by 8 [08:52] wheres the divide key [08:52] Maaz: 20000/8 [08:52] inetpro: 2500.0 [08:52] because mB is easier to follow and my stuff shows downloads in mB [08:53] ai! [08:53] yours should as well [08:53] hasnt a keyboard got a divide key? [08:54] I say any stable connection above 1mbps is very usable these days [08:54] Kilos: waar val jy uit die bus uit? [08:54] mine is good and averages about 280mB/s [08:54] divide = / [08:54] oh ya [08:54] sjoe [08:55] ai! [08:55] must go back to school and get dads money back. they taught me nothing [08:55] Maaz: 280*8 [08:55] inetpro: 2240 [08:56] that is 2.2mbps [08:56] oh thats good [08:56] still gotta push 8ta to speed it up some [08:57] the problem with 3g is that you never really get a steady speed, it varies the whole time [08:57] wanna upgrade a 12.04 iso to 12.04.2 then burn to cd with night surfer data [08:57] nothing beats a clear physical line [08:58] maybe when copper isnt gold anymore one can look at that [08:58] nee man [08:59] we all need fiber to the house [08:59] they even break in store rooms and workshops and steal welder cables and extension cords [08:59] fiber would rock [08:59] expensive to get laid to your house though [08:59] nee [09:00] we just got lazy [09:00] huh? [09:01] * Kilos wipes the seat of his brow and wonders what the pro is talking about [09:01] sweat [09:01] Kilos: if you were able to connect each farm across the country back in the days, why can they not do it today? [09:01] fibre is a specialist job [09:02] special expensive tools used [09:02] so just train more specialists [09:02] lol [09:02] it's not like you need a rocket scientist [09:03] no it can be learned but tools cost heavy [09:03] and like we would have to trench ad bury cable all the way to the nearest exchange [09:03] are you trying to find excuses? [09:03] and hope they have fibre the rest of the way [09:04] ai! [09:04] fiber connection to your house should be a basic human right [09:04] like water and lights [09:05] hear hear [09:05] all basic human rights are for the idle rich [09:05] and those that can steal and still sleap [09:06] sleep [09:06] had a laugh the other night on carte blanche i think [09:06] they stealing fone lines to use to connect power illegally [09:17] haha jrgns has the prob too today [09:18] everyone is gonna have to mail their ceo and complain [09:18] telkoms that is [09:37] aloha [09:37] hi oom Kilos :> [09:40] lo nuvolari CuttingEdge [09:40] welcome to ubuntu-za CuttingEdge [09:41] Kilos: ta [09:41] nice to see new faces. tell us about yourself [09:42] like where you are what you do, and what OS you are using [09:43] well, .. been running Ubuntu for a couple of years myself .. rate i maintain close to 50 perhaps 60 Ubuntu LTS servers across Africa [09:43] great [09:43] what took you so long to join us [09:43] thats a good question :P [09:43] hehe [09:44] i think all this talk of Ubuntu on phones has peaked my interest [09:44] this is the ubuntu help channel with experts online most of the time [09:44] oh tablets too now i hear [09:44] * CuttingEdge recognises most of the crowd here [09:44] good [09:47] feel at home here then and make it a permanent connection [09:48] oh im the greeter bot btw [09:50] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:51] welcome to ubuntu-za [09:56] thanks :) [09:59] tell us about yourself ThatGraemeGuy [10:00] like where you are what you do, and what OS you are using [10:00] Cape Town, Sysadmin, Xubuntu 12.10 [10:01] haven't IRC'd in years, been getting some glusterfs help lately and I though I'd check out what other channels are here [10:01] nice. why you took so long to find us [10:01] this is the best help channel online [10:01] been too busy shouting at glusterfs and banging my head on the wall :P [10:01] when the guys have time that is [10:01] hahaha [10:02] If you'll excuse me, I have to reboot to load up Raring Ringtail... [10:02] if you have probs just state what it is and be patient, one of the experts will help you as soon as he gets a break at work [10:02] * CuttingEdge has a sneaky suspicion that he may know ThatGraemeGuy [10:02] ok superfly [10:03] oh no, you're here too :-! [10:03] ThatGraemeGuy: yeah .. lol [10:03] ThatGraemeGuy, why do you show as away [10:04] uhhh [10:04] lol [10:04] what irc client are you using [10:04] i'm not sure, i think between pidgin and I one of us is dumb [10:04] oh no [10:04] ohi ThatGraemeGuy [10:04] get xchat [10:04] i should just install irssi and dust off that part of my brain [10:05] ah, there i'm present again [10:05] ThatGraemeGuy: I saw your Facebook status the other day and wondered... [10:05] yeah [10:05] oh heeeey, you're here too :) [10:05] I am :-) [10:06] are you going to scaleconf? i see one of your boss peeps is giving a talk [10:06] Yup, the boss has said yes to buying tickets for us [10:07] will see you there, i'm going again and this time i managed to convince IP and Lancelot to come too [10:07] that's assuming that accounts manage to make the payment, they seem to have a process and a half :-o [10:07] w00t [10:07] haha [10:08] how is raring? [10:08] dunno, still trying to get to the reboot part :-) [10:08] bbiab [10:08] meh, I wish our company embraced the power of IRC :-/ [10:08] tried it in virtualbox, it sucked [10:09] haven't touched raring myself [10:09] will install it on my alternate root fs partition later [10:10] nog slim mense nuvolari [10:10] i may wait till april before i go near it though [10:10] i usually upgrade my laptop around beta2 [10:11] lunch, bbl [10:14] Maaz, whats for lunch [10:14] Kentucky for the workers and a peanut butter sarmy for the idle rich [10:17] ooo, nice [10:18] KDE 4.10 is smooth [10:18] i dropped KDE years ago [10:18] preferred gnome [10:18] now i'm hooked on unity [10:20] *shrug* tried them all, prefer KDE [10:57] i can't get used to unity [10:58] i try every time there's a new ubuntu release, my brain just doesn't want to click [10:58] lol [11:00] hi nlsthzn [11:00] hiya uncle Kilos [11:00] see new guys [11:00] old hands but new here [11:00] * ThatGraemeGuy waves [11:01] my hands are not old, they are .... mature :P [11:01] haha [11:01] mine are old [11:01] wrinkled already [11:02] nlsthzn, you home or work? [11:02] say hi to the new members here [11:03] hi new members here [11:03] I am at home uncle Kilos ... [11:03] lekker [11:03] kind of [11:05] ThatGraemeGuy, CuttingEdge you guys might as well join our mailing list so you can share youre knowledge with noobs [11:06] http://bit.ly/MCOujZ [11:08] cool, done [11:08] ditto [11:09] greta [11:09] ai [11:09] great as well [11:15] oh you tweet ThatGraemeGuy [11:15] we got a page too [11:16] ubuntuza [11:16] announcements for meets etc there [11:17] wow you have [11:17] speedy gonzales [11:19] tumbleweed: I'm looking for documentation on how to add patches to apply to the application, not the package - my Googling only turns up how to patch a package [11:20] presumably they are covering the same turf [11:21] basically, you want to use quilt [11:22] yeah, that I gathered :-) just not sure how to format the patches so that they'll be applied cleanly [11:22] superfly: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html [11:22] (the quilt bit) [11:22] yeah, read that [11:23] then read http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ [11:23] tumbleweed: are global jams run over the internet too or only local? [11:23] I've found http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html which has some stuff about patches too [11:23] magespawn: there have been people leading online things before [11:23] magespawn: If you want to get involved online, just pick a day and do it [11:24] tumbleweed: okay more specifically for the one you are planning for cape town? [11:24] hrm, still not 100% [11:25] oh well, I guess I'll just have to play around with it then [11:25] superfly: do you want to know how to actually drive quilt? [11:25] what are you looking for?... [11:25] tumbleweed: no, more about what my patches are supposed to look like in order for them to be applied [11:25] to OpenLP [11:25] superfly: you should be using source format 3.0 (quilt) [11:25] my goal is to remove the version check from OpenLP [11:25] then you should have a debian/patches directory [11:26] and in it should be a series file, listing all teh patches to be applied, in the order you want to apply them [11:26] all the patches named in series should apper in debian/patches, and be -p1 patches, preferably with a DEP3 header [11:26] sound good? [11:26] yes, that's what I'm looking for [11:27] I think there's some stuff in /usr/share/doc/quilt/ that might be what you are after [11:27] ah, ta [11:28] magespawn: ... so, what are you wanting to work on? [11:28] I think I have a good idea of what I need to do now, thanks. [11:41] tumbleweed: just thought to have a look at the process and contribute maybe on the documents side [11:42] not too high on the programming skills at the moment [11:44] there's a suprisingly large amount of useful work that can be done without programming skills [11:45] most of what I do doesn't really require programming skills - it's just an understanding of how things fit together and, I guess, shell [12:10] tumbleweed: does this look OK? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/openlp/debian-package-with-patch/view/head:/debian/patches/disable-version-check.patch [12:10] hmm... i wonder if that mail from hilton is to do with our ubuntu server at the bloem varsity [12:21] superfly: LGTM [12:29] haven't tested it out yet, will try to do that this evening [14:12] hey magespawn did you win? [14:41] oh my the net really struggling hey [14:48] thewb [14:48] ai! [14:48] ThatGraemeGuy, wb [14:49] home time for geek types [14:49] except inetpro he only starts work now [14:49] i work til 6 [14:50] oh you like him [14:50] sysadmin [14:50] yeah [14:50] so really i leave the office at 6 but i never stop working :P [14:51] hehe looks like only me does that [14:51] nah i'm actually quite lucky, i hardly ever need to work after hours. even better, when i do it's usually some scheduled maintenance, not putting out fires [14:51] can't really complain [14:51] nice [14:54] so what do you do? i assume not sysadmin? [14:54] only hear at home [14:54] im my own sysadmin [14:55] stopped working 10 years ago [14:55] now chief cook and bottle washer [14:55] only at home? that's lucky, i get at home and friends and family, and and and and :o [14:55] and sheep herder [14:55] retired? [14:56] forced retirement [14:56] ew [14:56] bust head in half and lost the half that worked [14:56] aw that sucks [14:56] but you can still be a windows sysadmin! :p [14:56] na im ok now again [14:57] thats why im here on this channel, all the brains are here [14:57] lol [14:58] ive learned to 2 finger type and use sudo nano and aptitude [14:58] hehe [14:58] and xchat and pidgin [14:59] and a little about ssh and ubuntu servers [14:59] still dunno why i have it installed here [15:00] because its awesome that's why ;) [15:00] lol i dunno what to do with it [15:00] just parks oof most of the time [15:00] off [15:01] install xbmc, attach it to your tv, fill it with videos, make your dvd player feel completely worthless [15:01] whew [15:02] it rests as it is [15:03] watching videos not good for the head [15:03] things move to fast [15:03] you also in CT ThatGraemeGuy [15:04] ? [15:04] yeah [15:04] wow thats like the hub of ubuntu geeks [15:04] others scattered far and wide [15:53] ciao all [15:59] eek :-/ [15:59] Vince-0: are there any attendants for tonight? [16:00] I won't make it on 20:00 exactly [16:00] I [16:00] Hi* [16:00] by 8 [16:00] Yes indeed, any time although I will keep it shorter [17:10] Yello peeps of the south [17:23] yo ludo [17:23] are you in the north? [17:26] Banlam, bakuman waars julle? [17:26] oh nlsthzn you still here laddy [17:26] hmm... [17:27] alo [17:27] * nlsthzn watching some moovviees [17:27] and drinking some rum found stashed in cupboard... [17:28] lol [17:28] :p [17:29] just remember everyone adds up inna liver hey? [17:29] you wont make 100 if liver sick [17:30] oh whats happening with the studies neelsie [17:39] if it happens it will only happen next year [17:39] lets hope [17:39] but I may be getting an oppertunity to switch career [17:40] Kilos, nope ek is in pta [17:40] oh tell [17:40] Maar hiertoe is zuid afrika, dis zuid [17:40] mooi ludo sommer naby ons dan [17:40] ja [17:40] het jy gelees van jou konneksie [17:41] weet jy hoe om dit reg te kry [17:41] ? [17:42] Ja julle het my laat weet, en nee ek weet nie hoekom nie. Maar dat dit jul pal is net so snaaks vir my ;) [17:43] nlsthzn: oh really? to what? [17:43] ek wil ook weet hoe dit opgelos kan word [17:43] Want enige ordentlikke irc client kan join en part msg web steek. [17:43] inetpro, het iets gese van mweb kontak en die spoed af te bring maak dit meer stabiel [17:44] * ludo hiertoe engelse typo regmaaker gaan nou vlieg! [17:44] ja irc eet niks nie [17:44] in qatar, friend of mine is heading up a trainnig center and needs an IT trainer (ICDL and such soft skills)... so I know training, and I love IT... still at this stage in life I am petrified at such a drastic change :/ [17:45] nlsthzn: go for it! [17:45] it is still for a petrochemical company but not in the dept. I normally work [17:45] yeah go for it nlsthzn [17:45] :) [17:45] lekker to teach other peeps [17:46] tripple threat, new country, new company, new job direction... I will have sleepless nights for weeks I am sure [17:46] lol [17:46] if you dont do it you will always wonder what if [17:47] * nlsthzn is scared I find out what if [17:47] haha [17:47] http://youtu.be/cYRRAvi3cpw [17:47] if you dont buy a ticket you cant win the prize [17:48] +1 nlsthzn [17:49] * ludo haat homself 'n bietjie dat hy +1 gebruik het. [17:49] hoekom? [17:49] ek het net deur xchat settings gekyk en sien niks van part join nie [17:50] I like big bu.... I mean I like +1 [17:51] i thought it was a good thing [17:51] we use it in meets often [17:52] http://techrights.org/2012/11/21/hardware-keys-for-lf/ not sure where i picked this up [17:52] Kilos, Preferences -> Chatting -> General. Tick box "Hide join/part messages" [17:53] aw mine aint got that [17:53] nlsthzn: switching career is exciting, challanging, scary nut usually very worthwhile [17:53] 3 tick boxes announce away messages [17:54] show away once and automatically unmark away [17:54] Kilos: right click in the chat window also brings up options sometimes [17:54] * ludo hugs magespawn [17:55] * Kilos cries [17:55] for? [17:55] same stuff as in prefs [17:55] xchat Kilos? [17:55] ya [17:55] 12.04 version [17:55] Ek het gekry waar oom auto correct af te sit [17:56] I hear what you guys are saying... prob is no real experience or qulaifications in a job with zero growth oppertunities... from there I have to prove my worth and tryu and get out of IT again :p [17:57] but thanks for the encouragment... I really appreciate it and will not make the desicion lightly [17:57] and spelling doesn't count [17:57] vertel [17:58] is it also a no growth job nlsthzn ? [17:58] indeed nlsthzn, i understand, as someone who works as a field guide [17:59]