[04:49] <Squirm> fp I guess
[05:18] <Kilos> morning all
[05:18] <Kilos> hi ludo
[05:55] <Squirm> morning
[06:01] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:03] <Kilos> lo Tonberry 
[06:03] <Tonberry> hi
[06:05] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:09] <magespawn> o/
[06:49] <Kilos> hi deegee_1 superfly 
[06:50] <deegee_1> Kilos: hello & hello to everyone
[06:52] <superfly> morning Kilos, deegee_1
[06:55] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:57] <Kilos> lo pro
[07:04] <superfly> hi inetpro, magespawn, Tonberry and Squirm
[07:04] <superfly> (as well)
[07:04] <magespawn> lol morning superfly 
[07:05] <superfly> woohoo, earned about 11 000 action points this morning in Ingress
[07:05] <superfly> another 9k to go to the next level
[07:12] <superfly> ludo: fix your connection, or don't auto-rejoin
[07:16] <superfly> tumbleweed: if I upgraded the version of OpenLP in Debian now, would it make it into 13.04?
[07:18] <tumbleweed> superfly: if now is in the next week, yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[07:18] <superfly> OK, I'd better get working on it then
[07:19]  * superfly books off tonight as "work on packaging" night
[07:23] <ludo> :/
[07:53] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[07:54] <Kilos> hi there ludo wb
[08:04] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[08:04] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[08:14] <superfly> morning jrgns
[08:28] <Kilos> ludo please inform us how you fix that connection prob so we can pass on the how to to others with the same prob with mweb
[08:37] <Kilos> fixed
[08:41] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[08:41] <charl_> hi Kilos !
[08:41] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:41]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:42] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:42] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee time
[08:42] <inetpro> good idea
[08:42] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[08:42] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[08:43] <inetpro> wb charl_ and good morning
[08:43] <Kilos> oh ya charl_ you sposed to great all too
[08:44] <Kilos> greet
[08:44] <charl_> hi inetpro 
[08:44] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't think that ludo connection is fixed yet
[08:44] <charl_> lol Kilos 
[08:44] <Kilos> aw
[08:45] <inetpro> oh and I think it is a Telkom problem rather than a mweb problem
[08:45] <inetpro> IIRC he mentioned something about line speeds 
[08:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_, Kilos and inetpro!
[08:46] <Kilos> no matter if he lets us know how he fixes it , it might save someone else the long rigmarole to sort it
[08:46] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:46] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:46] <Kilos> telkom is very helpful when you fone in
[08:46] <Kilos> to me anyway
[08:46] <inetpro> I've had this before
[08:46] <Kilos> maybe cause im so cute
[08:46] <Kilos> ah how did you fix it
[08:47] <inetpro> they promise you a line speed up to a certain amount without any guarantees 
[08:47] <inetpro> it's a ADSL thing
[08:47] <Kilos> oh
[08:47] <Kilos> swines
[08:48] <inetpro> the connection will drop and sync again at a lower speed
[08:48] <Kilos> mobile has its advantages at times hey
[08:48] <Kilos> oh
[08:48] <inetpro> so to get a stable line you would have to ask them to drop the speed
[08:49] <Kilos> what speeds do they offer anyway
[08:49] <inetpro> not sure 
[08:50] <inetpro> haven't used ADSL for a long time
[08:50] <inetpro> but I remember these troubles I had
[08:51] <inetpro> I think you can get up to 20mbps these days
[08:51] <inetpro> if you are lucky
[08:51] <Kilos> work that out in mB
[08:51] <Kilos> x8 hey
[08:51] <inetpro> why?
[08:51] <inetpro> divide by 8
[08:52] <Kilos> wheres the divide key
[08:52] <inetpro> Maaz: 20000/8
[08:52] <Maaz> inetpro: 2500.0
[08:52] <Kilos> because mB is easier to follow and my stuff shows downloads in mB
[08:53] <inetpro> ai!
[08:53] <Kilos> yours should as well 
[08:53] <Kilos> hasnt a keyboard got a divide key?
[08:54] <inetpro> I say any stable connection above 1mbps is very usable these days
[08:54] <inetpro> Kilos: waar val jy uit die bus uit?
[08:54] <Kilos> mine is good and averages about 280mB/s
[08:54] <inetpro> divide = /
[08:54] <Kilos> oh ya
[08:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:55] <inetpro> ai!
[08:55] <Kilos> must go back to school and get dads money back. they taught me nothing
[08:55] <inetpro> Maaz: 280*8
[08:55] <Maaz> inetpro: 2240
[08:56] <inetpro> that is 2.2mbps
[08:56] <Kilos> oh thats good
[08:56] <Kilos> still gotta push 8ta to speed it up some
[08:57] <inetpro> the problem with 3g is that you never really get a steady speed, it varies the whole time
[08:57] <Kilos> wanna upgrade  a 12.04 iso to 12.04.2 then burn to cd with night surfer data
[08:57] <inetpro> nothing beats a clear physical line
[08:58] <Kilos> maybe when copper isnt gold anymore one can look at that
[08:58] <inetpro> nee man
[08:59] <inetpro> we all need fiber to the house
[08:59] <Kilos> they even break in store rooms and workshops and steal welder cables and extension cords
[08:59] <Kilos> fiber would rock
[08:59] <Kilos> expensive to get laid to your house though
[08:59] <inetpro> nee
[09:00] <inetpro> we just got lazy
[09:00] <Kilos> huh?
[09:01]  * Kilos wipes the seat of his brow and wonders what the pro is talking about
[09:01] <Kilos> sweat
[09:01] <inetpro> Kilos: if you were able to connect each farm across the country back in the days, why can they not do it today?
[09:01] <Kilos> fibre is a specialist job
[09:02] <Kilos> special expensive tools used
[09:02] <inetpro> so just train more specialists
[09:02] <Kilos> lol
[09:02] <inetpro> it's not like you need a rocket scientist 
[09:03] <Kilos> no it can be learned but tools cost heavy
[09:03] <Kilos> and like we would have to trench ad bury cable all the way to the nearest exchange
[09:03] <inetpro> are you trying to find excuses?
[09:03] <Kilos> and hope they have fibre the rest of the way
[09:04] <Kilos> ai!
[09:04] <inetpro> fiber connection to your house should be a basic human right
[09:04] <inetpro> like water and lights
[09:05] <Kilos> hear hear
[09:05] <Kilos> all basic human rights are for the idle rich
[09:05] <Kilos> and those that can steal and still sleap
[09:06] <Kilos> sleep
[09:06] <Kilos> had a laugh the other night on carte blanche i think
[09:06] <Kilos> they stealing fone lines to use to connect power illegally
[09:17] <Kilos> haha jrgns has the prob too today
[09:18] <Kilos> everyone is gonna have to mail their ceo and complain
[09:18] <Kilos> telkoms that is
[09:37] <nuvolari> aloha
[09:37] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos :>
[09:40] <Kilos> lo nuvolari CuttingEdge 
[09:40] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za CuttingEdge 
[09:41] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: ta
[09:41] <Kilos> nice to see new faces. tell us about yourself
[09:42] <Kilos> like where you are what you do, and what OS you are using
[09:43] <CuttingEdge> well, .. been running Ubuntu for a couple of years myself .. rate i maintain close to 50 perhaps 60 Ubuntu LTS servers across Africa
[09:43] <Kilos> great
[09:43] <Kilos> what took you so long to join us
[09:43] <CuttingEdge> thats a good question :P
[09:43] <Kilos> hehe
[09:44] <CuttingEdge> i think all this talk of Ubuntu on phones has peaked my interest
[09:44] <Kilos> this is the ubuntu help channel with experts online most of the time
[09:44] <Kilos> oh tablets too now i hear
[09:44]  * CuttingEdge recognises most of the crowd here
[09:44] <Kilos> good
[09:47] <Kilos> feel at home here then and make it a permanent connection
[09:48] <Kilos> oh im the greeter bot btw
[09:50] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:51] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks :)
[09:59] <Kilos> tell us about yourself ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:00] <Kilos> like where you are what you do, and what OS you are using
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cape Town, Sysadmin, Xubuntu 12.10
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't IRC'd in years, been getting some glusterfs help lately and I though I'd check out what other channels are here
[10:01] <Kilos> nice. why you took so long to find us
[10:01] <Kilos> this is the best help channel online
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> been too busy shouting at glusterfs and banging my head on the wall :P
[10:01] <Kilos> when the guys have time that is
[10:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:02] <superfly> If you'll excuse me, I have to reboot to load up Raring Ringtail...
[10:02] <Kilos> if you have probs just state what it is and be patient, one of the experts will help you as soon as he gets a break at work
[10:02]  * CuttingEdge has a sneaky suspicion that he may know ThatGraemeGuy
[10:02] <Kilos> ok superfly 
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh no, you're here too :-!
[10:03] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah .. lol
[10:03] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, why do you show as away
[10:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> uhhh
[10:04] <Kilos> lol
[10:04] <Kilos> what irc client are you using
[10:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not sure, i think between pidgin and I one of us is dumb
[10:04] <Kilos> oh no
[10:04] <superfly> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[10:04] <Kilos> get xchat
[10:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> i should just install irssi and dust off that part of my brain
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah, there i'm present again
[10:05] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: I saw your Facebook status the other day and wondered...
[10:05] <Kilos> yeah
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh heeeey, you're here too :)
[10:05] <superfly> I am :-)
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you going to scaleconf? i see one of your boss peeps is giving a talk
[10:06] <superfly> Yup, the boss has said yes to buying tickets for us
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> will see you there, i'm going again and this time i managed to convince IP and Lancelot to come too
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's assuming that accounts manage to make the payment, they seem to have a process and a half :-o
[10:07] <superfly> w00t
[10:07] <superfly> haha
[10:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> how is raring?
[10:08] <superfly> dunno, still trying to get to the reboot part :-)
[10:08] <superfly> bbiab
[10:08] <nuvolari> meh, I wish our company embraced the power of IRC :-/
[10:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> tried it in virtualbox, it sucked
[10:09] <CuttingEdge> haven't touched raring myself
[10:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> will install it on my alternate root fs partition later
[10:10] <Kilos> nog slim mense nuvolari 
[10:10] <CuttingEdge> i may wait till april before i go near it though
[10:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> i usually upgrade my laptop around beta2
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> lunch, bbl
[10:14] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[10:14] <Maaz> Kentucky for the workers and a peanut butter sarmy for the idle rich
[10:17] <superfly> ooo, nice
[10:18] <superfly> KDE 4.10 is smooth
[10:18] <CuttingEdge> i dropped KDE years ago
[10:18] <CuttingEdge> preferred gnome
[10:18] <CuttingEdge> now i'm hooked on unity
[10:20] <superfly> *shrug* tried them all, prefer KDE
[10:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can't get used to unity
[10:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i try every time there's a new ubuntu release, my brain just doesn't want to click
[10:58] <Kilos> lol
[11:00] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[11:00] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos 
[11:00] <Kilos> see new guys
[11:00] <Kilos> old hands but new here
[11:00]  * ThatGraemeGuy waves
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> my hands are not old, they are .... mature :P
[11:01] <Kilos> haha
[11:01] <Kilos> mine are old
[11:01] <Kilos> wrinkled already
[11:02] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you home or work?
[11:02] <Kilos> say hi to the new members here
[11:03] <nlsthzn> hi new members here
[11:03] <nlsthzn> I am at home uncle Kilos ... 
[11:03] <Kilos> lekker
[11:03] <nlsthzn> kind of
[11:05] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, CuttingEdge you guys might as well join our mailing list so you can share youre knowledge with noobs
[11:06] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ 
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool, done
[11:08] <CuttingEdge> ditto
[11:09] <Kilos> greta
[11:09] <Kilos> ai
[11:09] <Kilos> great as well
[11:15] <Kilos> oh you tweet ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:15] <Kilos> we got a page too
[11:16] <Kilos> ubuntuza
[11:16] <Kilos> announcements for meets etc there
[11:17] <Kilos> wow you have
[11:17] <Kilos> speedy gonzales
[11:19] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'm looking for documentation on how to add patches to apply to the application, not the package - my Googling only turns up how to patch a package
[11:20] <tumbleweed> presumably they are covering the same turf
[11:21] <tumbleweed> basically, you want to use quilt
[11:22] <superfly> yeah, that I gathered :-) just not sure how to format the patches so that they'll be applied cleanly
[11:22] <tumbleweed> superfly: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html
[11:22] <tumbleweed> (the quilt bit)
[11:22] <superfly> yeah, read that
[11:23] <tumbleweed> then read http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[11:23] <magespawn> tumbleweed: are global jams run over the internet too or only local?
[11:23] <superfly> I've found http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html which has some stuff about patches too
[11:23] <tumbleweed> magespawn: there have been people leading online things before
[11:23] <tumbleweed> magespawn: If you want to get involved online, just pick a day and do it
[11:24] <magespawn> tumbleweed: okay more specifically for the one you are planning for cape town?
[11:24] <superfly> hrm, still not 100%
[11:25] <superfly> oh well, I guess I'll just have to play around with it then
[11:25] <tumbleweed> superfly: do you want to know how to actually drive quilt?
[11:25] <tumbleweed> what are you looking for?...
[11:25] <superfly> tumbleweed: no, more about what my patches are supposed to look like in order for them to be applied
[11:25] <superfly> to OpenLP
[11:25] <tumbleweed> superfly: you should be using source format 3.0 (quilt)
[11:25] <superfly> my goal is to remove the version check from OpenLP
[11:25] <tumbleweed> then you should have a debian/patches directory
[11:26] <tumbleweed> and in it should be a series file, listing all teh patches to be applied, in the order you want to apply them
[11:26] <tumbleweed> all the patches named in series should apper in debian/patches, and be -p1 patches, preferably with a DEP3 header
[11:26] <tumbleweed> sound good?
[11:26] <superfly> yes, that's what I'm looking for
[11:27] <tumbleweed> I think there's some stuff in /usr/share/doc/quilt/ that might be what you are after
[11:27] <superfly> ah, ta
[11:28] <tumbleweed> magespawn: ... so, what are you wanting to work on?
[11:28] <superfly> I think I have a good idea of what I need to do now, thanks.
[11:41] <magespawn> tumbleweed: just thought to have a look at the process and contribute maybe on the documents side
[11:42] <magespawn> not too high on the programming skills at the moment
[11:44] <tumbleweed> there's a suprisingly large amount of useful work that can be done without programming skills
[11:45] <tumbleweed> most of what I do doesn't really require programming skills - it's just an understanding of how things fit together and, I guess, shell
[12:10] <superfly> tumbleweed: does this look OK? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/openlp/debian-package-with-patch/view/head:/debian/patches/disable-version-check.patch
[12:10] <Kilos> hmm... i wonder if that mail from hilton is to do with our ubuntu server at the bloem varsity
[12:21] <tumbleweed> superfly: LGTM
[12:29] <superfly> haven't tested it out yet, will try to do that this evening 
[14:12] <Kilos> hey magespawn did you win?
[14:41] <Kilos> oh my the net really struggling hey
[14:48] <Kilos> thewb
[14:48] <Kilos> ai!
[14:48] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, wb
[14:49] <Kilos> home time for geek types
[14:49] <Kilos> except inetpro he only starts work now
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i work til 6
[14:50] <Kilos> oh you like him
[14:50] <Kilos> sysadmin
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> so really i leave the office at 6 but i never stop working :P
[14:51] <Kilos> hehe looks like only me does that
[14:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> nah i'm actually quite lucky, i hardly ever need to work after hours. even better, when i do it's usually some scheduled maintenance, not putting out fires
[14:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't really complain
[14:51] <Kilos> nice
[14:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> so what do you do? i assume not sysadmin?
[14:54] <Kilos> only hear at home
[14:54] <Kilos> im my own sysadmin
[14:55] <Kilos> stopped working 10 years ago
[14:55] <Kilos> now chief cook and bottle washer
[14:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> only at home? that's lucky, i get at home and friends and family, and and and and :o
[14:55] <Kilos> and sheep herder
[14:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> retired?
[14:56] <Kilos> forced retirement
[14:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> ew
[14:56] <Kilos> bust head in half and lost the half that worked
[14:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> aw that sucks
[14:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you can still be a windows sysadmin! :p
[14:56] <Kilos> na im ok now again
[14:57] <Kilos> thats why im here on this channel, all the brains are here
[14:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[14:58] <Kilos> ive learned to 2 finger type and use sudo nano and aptitude
[14:58] <Kilos> hehe
[14:58] <Kilos> and xchat and pidgin
[14:59] <Kilos> and a little about ssh and ubuntu servers
[14:59] <Kilos> still dunno why i have it installed here
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> because its awesome that's why ;)
[15:00] <Kilos> lol i dunno what to do with it
[15:00] <Kilos> just parks oof most of the time
[15:00] <Kilos> off
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> install xbmc, attach it to your tv, fill it with videos, make your dvd player feel completely worthless
[15:01] <Kilos> whew
[15:02] <Kilos> it rests as it is
[15:03] <Kilos> watching videos not good for the head
[15:03] <Kilos> things move to fast
[15:03] <Kilos> you also in CT ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:04] <Kilos> ?
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[15:04] <Kilos> wow thats like the hub of ubuntu geeks
[15:04] <Kilos> others scattered far and wide
[15:53] <charl_> ciao all
[15:59] <nuvolari> eek :-/ 
[15:59] <nuvolari> Vince-0: are there any attendants for tonight?
[16:00] <nuvolari> I won't make it on 20:00 exactly
[16:00] <Vince-0> I
[16:00] <Vince-0> Hi*
[16:00] <Kilos> by 8
[16:00] <Vince-0> Yes indeed, any time although I will keep it shorter
[17:10] <ludo> Yello peeps of the south
[17:23] <Kilos> yo ludo 
[17:23] <Kilos> are you in the north?
[17:26] <Kilos> Banlam, bakuman waars julle?
[17:26] <Kilos> oh nlsthzn you still here laddy
[17:26] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:27] <nlsthzn> alo
[17:27]  * nlsthzn watching some moovviees
[17:27] <nlsthzn> and drinking some rum found stashed in cupboard...
[17:28] <Kilos> lol
[17:28] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:29] <Kilos> just remember everyone adds up inna liver hey?
[17:29] <Kilos> you wont make 100 if liver sick
[17:30] <Kilos> oh whats happening with the studies neelsie
[17:39] <nlsthzn> if it happens it will only happen next year
[17:39] <Kilos> lets hope
[17:39] <nlsthzn> but I may be getting an oppertunity to switch career
[17:40] <ludo> Kilos, nope ek is in pta
[17:40] <Kilos> oh tell
[17:40] <ludo> Maar hiertoe is zuid afrika, dis zuid
[17:40] <Kilos> mooi ludo sommer naby ons dan
[17:40] <Kilos> ja
[17:40] <Kilos> het jy gelees van jou konneksie
[17:41] <Kilos> weet jy hoe om dit reg te kry
[17:41] <Kilos> ?
[17:42] <ludo> Ja julle het my laat weet, en nee ek weet nie hoekom nie. Maar dat dit jul pal is net so snaaks vir my ;)
[17:43] <superfly> nlsthzn: oh really? to what?
[17:43] <Kilos> ek wil ook weet hoe dit opgelos kan word
[17:43] <ludo> Want enige ordentlikke irc client kan join en part msg web steek.
[17:43] <Kilos> inetpro, het iets gese van mweb kontak en die spoed af te bring maak dit meer stabiel
[17:44]  * ludo hiertoe engelse typo regmaaker gaan nou vlieg!
[17:44] <Kilos> ja irc eet niks nie
[17:44] <nlsthzn> in qatar, friend of mine is heading up a trainnig center and needs an IT trainer (ICDL and such soft skills)... so I know training, and I love IT... still at this stage in life I am petrified at such a drastic change :/
[17:45] <superfly> nlsthzn: go for it!
[17:45] <nlsthzn> it is still for a petrochemical company but not in the dept. I normally work
[17:45] <Kilos> yeah go for it nlsthzn 
[17:45] <nlsthzn> :) 
[17:45] <Kilos> lekker to teach other peeps
[17:46] <nlsthzn> tripple threat, new country, new company, new job direction... I will have sleepless nights for weeks I am sure
[17:46] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <Kilos> if you dont do it you will always wonder what if
[17:47]  * nlsthzn is scared I find out what if
[17:47] <Kilos> haha
[17:47] <nlsthzn> http://youtu.be/cYRRAvi3cpw
[17:47] <Kilos> if you dont buy a ticket you cant win the prize
[17:48] <ludo> +1 nlsthzn 
[17:49]  * ludo haat homself 'n bietjie dat hy +1 gebruik het.
[17:49] <Kilos> hoekom?
[17:49] <Kilos> ek het net deur xchat settings gekyk en sien niks van part join nie
[17:50] <nlsthzn> I like big bu.... I mean I like +1
[17:51] <Kilos> i thought it was a good thing
[17:51] <Kilos> we use it in meets often
[17:52] <magespawn> http://techrights.org/2012/11/21/hardware-keys-for-lf/ not sure where i picked this up
[17:52] <ludo> Kilos, Preferences -> Chatting -> General. Tick box "Hide join/part messages"
[17:53] <Kilos> aw mine aint got that
[17:53] <magespawn> nlsthzn: switching career is exciting, challanging, scary nut usually very worthwhile
[17:53] <Kilos> 3 tick boxes announce away messages
[17:54] <Kilos> show away once and automatically unmark away
[17:54] <magespawn> Kilos: right click in the chat window also brings up options sometimes
[17:54]  * ludo hugs magespawn
[17:55]  * Kilos cries
[17:55] <magespawn> for?
[17:55] <Kilos> same stuff as in prefs
[17:55] <magespawn> xchat Kilos?
[17:55] <Kilos> ya
[17:55] <Kilos> 12.04 version
[17:55] <ludo> Ek het gekry waar oom auto correct af te sit  
[17:56] <nlsthzn> I hear what you guys are saying... prob is no real experience or qulaifications in a job with zero growth oppertunities... from there I have to prove my worth and tryu and get out of IT again :p
[17:57] <nlsthzn> but thanks for the encouragment... I really appreciate it and will not make the desicion lightly
[17:57] <nlsthzn> and spelling doesn't count
[17:57] <Kilos> vertel
[17:58] <Kilos> is it also a no growth job nlsthzn ?
[17:58] <magespawn> indeed nlsthzn, i understand, as someone who works as a field guide
[17:59] <nlsthzn> yes uncle Kilos ... a petrochemical company doesn't really want to train people in IT... so it doesn't want to really spend money
[17:59] <Kilos> all i find is a track away staus of users in user list
[18:00] <Kilos> whew
[18:00] <Kilos> well look at pay and working hours and if its better that way then youll have more study time
[18:01] <ludo> Kilos,  http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages#X-Chat_.28Windows.2C_Linux.29
[18:01] <Kilos> ty ludo lemme look
[18:02] <Kilos> but i still wanna see when peeps join hey
[18:02] <Kilos> only not quit/join
[18:02] <Kilos> hehe
[18:04] <Kilos> ah ty ludo you gotta right click on the channel name in the channel side bar
[18:05] <ludo> -b
[18:06] <Kilos> everyday i learn something new
[18:06] <Kilos> and forget that night
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe
[18:08] <Kilos> handy to set that when there are probs and leave when most are stable
[18:10] <Kilos> hey magespawn whats news with the spam mail?
[18:10] <ludo> So who has a easy method for viewing a sql server database without using a vm with sql server installed on it?
[18:11] <magespawn> she was not there today, so no news yet, also still waiting on the various help departments to get back
[18:11] <Kilos> ah
[18:12] <magespawn> ludo superfly might know
[18:12] <Kilos> you gonna keep me awake magespawn 
[18:12] <Kilos> hehe
[18:12] <magespawn> you want to use night owl data Kilos?
[18:12] <Kilos> wanna try use up night surfer data in updating an iso file to 12.04.2
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <ludo> magespawn, don't worry I went and fetch the first and last windows I ever bought.
[18:13] <Kilos> im interested in seeing if they fix the nm prob in .2
[18:13] <Kilos> lo nuviweb 
[18:15] <nuviweb> hi oom Kilos
[18:15] <nuviweb> sukkel om by my ander IRC in te kom
[18:15] <nuviweb> Dis nou die DLUG hangout
[18:16] <Kilos> ek sien so ja
[18:16] <Vince-0> Sup guys 
[18:16] <Vince-0> and gals
[18:16] <Kilos> se nog van hulle moet hier by ons aansluit
[18:16] <Vince-0> im broadcasting
[18:16] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[18:16] <Vince-0> Hi
[18:18] <ludo> waarvan praat julle?
[18:18] <ludo> broadcasting, dlug?
[18:18] <Kilos> they are having a hangout on g+ methinks
[18:18] <ludo> aaah
[18:18] <Kilos> durblinux user group
[18:18] <nuviweb> yeah
[18:18] <ludo> mmm dalk moet ek join. Net eers 'n hemp aantrek
[18:19] <Kilos> jy het baie gemis. mense gaan mal met die socialising ding
[18:19] <nuviweb> lol, is 'n goeie idee
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:22]  * ludo loop en soek die hele huis vol vir sy hemp
[18:22] <nuviweb> vince-0: Government IT Officers Council (GITOC)
[18:22] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <Vince-0> gotcha
[18:22] <ludo> ek is so goed ge potti train, het my hemp in die wasgoed mantjie gekry 
[18:22] <ludo> so g+ wie wat waar pla ek?
[18:22] <Kilos> hehe
[18:23] <Kilos> Vince-0, link to your g+
[18:23] <nuviweb> https://plus.google.com/events/codhcdso0609gsbh9taqb6hftcc
[18:23] <nuviweb> oom kilos ^^
[18:24] <Kilos> dankie nuviweb dis vir ludo
[18:24] <Kilos> sal try met volgende maand se 2+2 of ek dit kan doen
[18:24] <Kilos> 2+1
[18:25] <Vince-0> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RnfidVNR3zU
[18:29] <ludo> thanks nuviweb luister na Mnr Swart
[18:29] <Vince-0> Halla
[18:29] <ludo> nuviweb, oor wie praat hul, en watter data?
[18:31] <nuviweb> ludo, dit is oor TeamGhostShell wat so 'n rukkie terug data expose het
[18:31] <Vince-0> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kimfNpmQwuIkoJQxgxx5i2flF5DMX5y9A-KyqBidwHM/edit#
[18:32] <nuviweb> and I was about to paste the doc :P
[18:32] <ludo> ta
[18:35] <nuvolari> aha! I'm back
[18:47] <magespawn> nuvolari: i am there i can see and hear you guys but not showing my video
[18:47] <nlsthzn> oooh sounds like a hangout
[18:47]  * nlsthzn reboots cause it is windows and it happens
[18:50] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[18:52] <nuvolari> magespawn: are you in the hangout?
[18:53] <magespawn> think so, i am definately watching it
[18:53] <nuvolari> magespawn: aren't you watching the yutube video?
[18:53] <nuvolari> *youtube
[18:53] <magespawn> maybe
[18:54] <nuvolari> I think that rather, because you are not coming up in the hangout
[18:54] <nuvolari> wb nlsthzn 
[18:55] <nlsthzn> thanks nuvolari 
[18:55] <magespawn> not sure how to
[18:55] <nlsthzn> just took a vid of me gaming... 25 minutes = 72gb
[18:56] <magespawn> do not see anyway to join
[18:56] <nuvolari> hooray for ubuntu-za :D
[18:57] <nlsthzn> http://youtu.be/cYRRAvi3cpw
[18:57] <nuvolari> magespawn: I think Vince-0 needs to invite you
[18:57] <magespawn> thought he had lol
[18:58] <Vince-0> msg me 
[18:59] <Vince-0> its actually on Dbn LUG
[18:59] <Mezenir> hi kilos 
[18:59] <Mezenir> hi all
[18:59] <Vince-0> https://plus.google.com/u/0/
[18:59] <nuvolari> hi Mezi
[18:59] <nuvolari> * Mezenir 
[19:02] <magespawn> no worries 
[19:03] <Vince-0> oh shizl
[19:04] <Vince-0> running that in an incognito window
[19:05] <ludo> We are now at point 12?
[19:08] <nuvolari> ludo: 8 and 9
[19:08] <nuvolari> and 10
[19:14] <magespawn> later all, have to get home
[19:14] <magespawn> maybe next time nuvolari
[19:15] <Kilos> hi josvis 
[19:15] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[19:19] <nuvolari> ok cheers magespawn 
[19:20] <nuvolari> oh hi josvis 
[19:44] <ludo> is there a irc channel where I can comment on the discussion about the hangout? 
[19:45] <Vince-0> sure
[19:46] <Vince-0> let me get the other members to join here rather
[19:47] <nuvolari> ok, I'm here already
[19:53] <ludo> Why don't they break up the outline over 2 or 3 days
[19:55] <Vince-0> ha should do - was over a month since last meet
[19:55] <nuvolari> yeah, it's too lengthy :P
[19:55] <ludo> Because I want to go to bed but all the cool stuff is still coming
[19:56] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <ludo> But isnt there a half life 1 community port running on the steam engine and you dont need a copy of hl1?
[19:57] <nuvolari> Vince-0: do you have more info on the artist group?
[19:57] <Vince-0> will do
[20:01] <Vince-0> havn't spoken with those guys yet, just know of them
[20:02] <ludo> later guys
[20:03] <Vince-0> cya
[20:08] <Kilos> hi Wraz 
[20:35] <Kilos> 25 minutes more
[20:36] <Vince-0> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1445369/focus=1445405 - Linux
[20:36] <Vince-0> Linus*
[20:50] <nuvolari> o/ night everyone
[20:50] <nuvolari> nag oom Kilos 
[20:50] <Vince-0> cya
[20:50] <nuvolari> moet nou nie te laat gaan slaap nie
[20:50] <Kilos> nag nuvolari 
[20:50] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[20:50] <nuvolari> dankie, oom ook!
[20:50] <Kilos> ek wil net zsync dan slaap ek ook
[20:51] <Vince-0> You're not usually up this late Kilos 
[20:52] <Kilos> yeah struggling but i wanna zsync 12.04 to 12.04.2
[20:57] <Vince-0> sho, the stuff geeks stay up for
[20:57] <Kilos> haha
[20:57] <Kilos> its all about data and 8ta putting 1 gig after 11pm
[21:02] <Kilos> aw it doesnt work
[21:02] <Kilos> zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-Desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[21:02] <Kilos> could not read control file from URL http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-Desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[21:02] <Kilos> what does that mean?
[21:03] <Vince-0> eish, control file? I don't know of those mechanisms
[21:03] <Vince-0> looks like I flapped connection
[21:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[21:04] <Kilos> is the control file the iso i have here or the one at the link?
[21:05] <Vince-0> I know exactly nothing about zsync
[21:05] <Kilos> its a serious thing
[21:05] <Kilos> cocooncrash, what am i doing wrong? please
[21:07] <cocooncrash> Maaz: head http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-Desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[21:07] <Maaz> cocooncrash: 404 Not Found
[21:07] <Kilos> i have ubuntu.iso in home
[21:07] <cocooncrash> Maaz: head http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[21:07] <Maaz> cocooncrash: 200 OK
[21:07] <cocooncrash> Kilos: "desktop" is lowercase
[21:07] <Kilos> ah ty very much
[21:07] <superfly> ohi cocooncrash
[21:07] <Kilos> they changed it
[21:08] <Kilos> it was uppercase on maverick
[21:08] <Kilos> grrr
[21:09] <Kilos> w00t ty cocooncrash 
[21:16] <Vince-0> oh my look at the time
[21:16] <Kilos> yeah
[21:17] <Vince-0> I've mentioned again to the LUG list peeps to join here since there's a client on the site now hhttp://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=10
[21:18] <Kilos> thanks Vince-0 
[21:18] <Vince-0> still gotta edit the hangout before publish and get some more activity to publish
[21:18] <Vince-0> next one is on 21st March
[21:18] <Kilos> tell them they are a bunch of slackers
[21:18] <Vince-0> yar!
[21:18] <Kilos> what is linux without ubuntu
[21:19] <Kilos> and what is a lug without #ubuntu-za
[21:20] <Kilos> i biased
[21:20] <Kilos> i am
[21:20] <Vince-0> yes! I want the questions to come here
[21:20] <Kilos> that zsync is a wonderful command
[21:20] <Kilos> iso 70%  updated
[21:21] <Vince-0> naas
[21:21] <Vince-0> I'm keen to get some KDE tested this weekend
[21:22] <Kilos> tested how?
[21:28] <Vince-0> install maybe Kubuntu on el laptoparino
[21:28] <Kilos> oh you dont have kde yet
[21:28] <Kilos> i like it
[21:29] <Kilos> bit heavier than unity but installs apps quicker
[21:29] <Vince-0> ya I also have to mess with desktop environments to customize for lower end PCs in the call center
[21:29] <Vince-0> right now its LinuxMint with Mate but its not that flexible
[21:30] <Kilos> try unity and mate on top
[21:30] <Kilos> was fast here
[21:31] <Kilos> its just the unity interface that uses lotsa resources not ubuntu
[21:32] <Vince-0> slaaptyd - See ya Kilos 
[21:33] <Kilos> sleep tight Vince-0 
[21:33] <Kilos> download done
[21:33] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[21:34] <Kilos> 383 meg download