[00:27] hello, thumper told me to complain in here about the 'my machine is too fast for lightdm' bug [00:40] hey bryce, rickspencer3 just started to get a weird visual corruption on his desktop with his i945 device. Any reason he would be getting that? [00:40] he is pretty sure it just started happening. [00:40] hi bryce [00:40] hi jasoncwarner_ [00:40] hi rickspencer3 [00:40] they thumper [00:40] well< I just started noticing it in the sound indicator [00:40] I have no desktop [00:40] hey, rather [00:40] hey thumper [00:41] I just upgraded to raring [00:41] and I get a wallpaper [00:41] and that's it [00:41] dang it! [00:41] what is going on these days [00:41] you can't look at me now for that :) [00:41] 13.04 has been really unstable for the last few days [00:41] thumper did it get uninstalled? like, partial update or someting? [00:41] unity is there [00:41] but unity-panel-service is not [00:42] When I try to start untiy [00:42] thumper: not installed? or not running? [00:42] I get compiz started [00:42] core initialises [00:42] then it says "unity-panel-service: no process found" [00:42] there is no unity-panel-service installed [00:42] there should be [00:42] :) [00:43] thumper: aye...seems you might have had a partial update. rickspencer3 had one of those yesterday (unrelated)... [00:43] no bueno [00:43] thumper, is this your problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1130679 [00:43] Ubuntu bug 1130679 in Compiz "[2013/02/20] compiz/unity don't run, just loading cpp" [Critical,In progress] [00:43] can you manually install it? [00:43] I'm not sure what package it is supposed to be [00:43] (if you did a dist-upgrade) [00:43] hi bschaefer [00:43] thumper, hello! [00:43] bschaefer: I had the same problem with quantal this morning [00:43] and I thought that upgrading to raring would fix it [00:44] but no :( [00:44] thumper, o interesting, someone else was as well [00:44] I know that veebers had the issue on the testing laptop [00:44] ChrisTownsend was [00:44] bryceh in case you missed the above (I messaged bryce nick instead ;) ) - rickspencer3 just started to get a weird visual corruption on his desktop with his i945 device. Any reason he would be getting that? [00:44] thumper, hmm have you tried starting u-p-s manually? [00:45] then starting unity [00:45] bschaefer: I can't, it isn't installed [00:45] thumper, really? very strange, is unity installed? [00:45] bschaefer: yes [00:45] bschaefer: which may be the reason there is a problem [00:46] thumper, hmm possibly a --reinstall could bring it back [00:46] as mine is here; /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service [00:46] thumper, could you please log a bug [00:46] bschaefer: actually, I see the panel service there [00:46] and I think there are log files from the update process that might help [00:47] very strange, as just doing a 'unity [00:47] bschaefer: why is it there and not /usr/bin?? [00:47] ' should start it up [00:47] * bschaefer has no clue [00:47] thumper, have you been abusing this machine for development in your past as a Unity dev? [00:47] like, what crazy PPAs are you running? ;) [00:48] thumper: aye, file a bug and send my way...in the meantime, can you manually install it and get it running? (like will it allow you to install it?) [00:48] rickspencer3: none now, another benefit of upgrading [00:48] it seems I do have /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service [00:48] it is executable [00:48] but not in the default path [00:49] running u-p-s manually didn't help unity start [00:49] right, which the 'unity' script should be starting that anyway hmm [00:50] thumper, you could try /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service; compiz --replace ccp& [00:50] thumper, because looking at the unity script it seems to kill u-p-s... [00:51] hahaha [00:51] and if it can't find it, then it'll just kill it...leaving you nothing [00:52] * thumper sighs [00:52] it fails trying to load the ini backend [00:52] with a programmer error [00:52] can't find interface type 6 [00:52] * thumper looks at old env file [00:53] * thumper set to ubuntu profile [00:53] ccp still fails [00:53] :( [00:53] Unable to find interface type 12 [00:53] thumper, thats this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1130679 [00:53] Ubuntu bug 1130679 in Compiz "[2013/02/20] compiz/unity don't run, just loading cpp" [Critical,In progress] [00:53] :) [00:53] which will be fixed soon (when it merges) [00:53] yep... [00:54] bschaefer: what is the ETA on that? [00:54] thumper, idk, I approved this like 6 hours ago... [00:54] what is the auto-merger doing? [00:54] im not sure, even CI green lighted it 5 hours ago [00:55] thumper, you could compile compiz from trunk ;) [00:55] bschaefer: not any more thank you :) [00:55] haha [01:07] jasoncwarner_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1131489 [01:07] Ubuntu bug 1131489 in Unity "Unity fails to start" [Undecided,New] [01:08] thanks thumper [01:12] jasoncwarner_: my laptop is going to sit here mostly useless until this is fixed :( [01:13] unless I can run metacity? [01:13] do we even still ship that? [01:13] ha [01:13] we do [01:13] at least I have window management back [01:14] and can move and resize === _thumper_ is now known as thumper [01:16] ok, at least I now have email, irc and a terminal running [01:16] and can work [01:16] but using metacity not unity [01:19] how dare you! (though i do wish that branch would merge...) [01:19] thumper, I think all people who handle the auto merger are away atm [01:20] * bschaefer re-approves the branch === _thumper_ is now known as thumper [01:27] veebers: do you know anything about the automerger? [01:28] thumper: not enough to be helpful in this instance I fear [01:28] ok [01:28] thumper: where is the issue? are you looking at a specific MP? [01:28] veebers, https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/compiz.fix_1130679/+merge/149574 [01:28] bschaefer: can you point veebers at it? [01:28] bschaefer: ta [01:28] veebers, I just re-approved it [01:28] thumper, np === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [01:40] bschaefer: I'm taking a look at it now [01:40] veebers, thank you! === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === thumper-afk is now known as thumper === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === smspilla|z is now known as smspillaz === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [06:24] Good morning [08:01] good morning === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:19] happy friday desktopers [09:20] bonjour seb128, hereux vendredi! [09:20] pitti, salut, ca va bien ? [09:20] bonan vendredo, ĉiuj [09:20] oui, merci! wrestling with gnome :) [09:20] hey desrt [09:23] mlankhorst, should we do the Pandaboard stuff now? [09:25] sure ill be there in a bit, looking for something before i go to the office [09:25] ah nm found it, going to the office :P === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ [10:06] morning folks [10:06] * czajkowski hugs TheMuso I have sound! [10:10] seb128: this was the bug I was trying to explain yesterday. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1131372 [10:10] Ubuntu bug 1131372 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "When logging in user name and machine name become highlighed" [Undecided,New] [10:10] czajkowski, hey [10:11] mterry, ^ saw such issues before? [10:12] seb128, no [10:12] :/ [10:12] well if it's meant to highlight I'll be happy, :) [10:12] but just seems odd [10:12] when did that start? [10:13] seb128: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1131321 [10:13] Ubuntu bug 1131321 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Emptying Rubbish bin doesn't bring you to focused folder" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:13] is that raring? [10:13] yup [10:13] I do like Raring btw :) [10:13] czajkowski, oh in that case "it's meant to highlight" [10:13] One more happy user! [10:13] it just has these little quirks :) [10:13] seb128, yeah raring === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [10:14] (from bug) [10:14] czajkowski, that nautilus bug is weird as well, here "empty bin" doesn't open nautilus views [10:14] I find unique bugs, what can I say [10:15] czajkowski, we love testers like you :) [10:20] mterry: I shall remind you , you said that at some point when I find more unique ones :) [10:21] czajkowski, well, I also have a love of ignoring bugs :) [10:21] :( [10:21] yeah but that empty recycling one is a bit odd, you really think you're about to empty /home and then you check [10:21] mvo: ping [10:21] mvo: i made the changes to the merge req as you asked for https://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/software-properties/fix-874766-updates-tab-failed-auth/+merge/148924 [10:22] m4n1sh: let me look [10:22] mvo: thanks [10:44] czajkowski: Good to hear. [10:50] seb128, did you get a chance to look at uploading Friends to raring yet? [10:54] Laney: g'day [10:55] robru, ken did upload, I need to review, thanks for the reminder [10:55] robru, doing that now [10:55] seb128, ok, thanks [10:58] robru: stop distracting seb. he has gtk to upload. [11:02] I read abstracting seb for some reason [11:24] mvo: you want me to update the branch or will merge it? [11:26] oh anyone sitting nearby and wanting to sign my canonical gpg key by any chance so I can become a debian dev? :P [11:26] m4n1sh: its fine, I just wanted to mention it as its a neat python thing, I will merge [11:33] mvo: enjoying brno? ;) [11:36] desrt: yeah, very different but good [11:36] mvo: err, you are in Brno? [11:37] mvo: having fun with the czech? [11:39] desrt: hm? now I'm confused [11:39] pitti: im in büro ;) [11:39] mvo: a few days ago a guy named mvo on gimpnet was talking about how he was going to brno [11:40] desrt: woah, yet another mvo - there is also marius volmer (mvo) who is a free software guy. I guess I simply need a longer nick [11:40] * mvo needs to leave for some minutes to get some food [11:41] mvo: yes. it was that one :) [11:42] mvo: for about 3 minutes everyone on the desktop team was wondering why you would go to the redhat conference :) [11:44] hey guys, long time no see :) [11:44] didrocks, hey [11:44] didrocks, already at the trains station? [11:45] seb128: yep, security done, passport control as well [11:45] just waiting for my train now :) [11:45] didrocks, what time is your train? [11:45] seb128: 12:58, I was a little bit too pessimistic about the UK trains/subway [11:45] after what Laney told me… ;) [11:46] they still managed to have all trains 4 minutes late [11:46] yeah [11:46] (better than 1h) [11:46] didrocks: welcome to schengen [11:47] desrt: yeah, it feels like a totally different country here ;) [11:47] no snow, nothing :p [11:47] different plugs, i hear [11:48] desrt: normal ones, you meant I guess :) [11:48] or rather "right ones" [11:50] I see that desrt is always exhaustive in his reports :) [11:50] like "and wrote that email" :) [11:50] :) [11:50] i forgot a few items, in fact [11:50] but too late to add them now [11:51] heh [11:51] like "oh btw…" [11:57] you left just before we had some daily landing fun ;-) [12:02] 11:59:48 didrocks | ahah! seems it was the right time :) │ bdrung [12:02] 11:59:50 didrocks | what happened? │ bigon [12:02] Laney: ^ [12:03] didrocks, weird copy/paste [12:03] seb128: copying lines in weechat… [12:03] weeeeee [12:03] ;-) [12:03] ;) [12:04] didrocks, some libindicator/libappindicator issues in the landing [12:04] didrocks, incorrect path in a .install for the gtk3 version of the lib apparently [12:04] breaking builds [12:05] interesting, needed some tests then? I guess cyphermox is on top of the story :) [12:06] yeah, Laney and him are on it [12:06] cyphermox: don't worry if you need to trigger some rebuilds then to have this fixed before the week-end [12:06] excellent, thanks Laney, cyphermox :-) [12:06] didrocks: yeah we'll add autopkgtests to catch this in the future [12:06] \o/ [12:07] it's in the distro for quite some days, weird that the alarm bell didn't ring before :) [12:07] didrocks, people keep the fun for friday [12:07] didrocks: well it's the non-gtk3 one, and we build almost everything with the gtk3 version [12:07] seb128: don't get me starting on friday changes [12:07] cyphermox: who cares about non gtk3? I think desrt will agree ;) [12:07] didrocks: I still don't undetstand why appindicator didn't go red in the faily builds [12:08] didrocks: hehe [12:08] oh [12:11] ah ok, bug #1131708 :) [12:11] Launchpad bug 1131708 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "-dev symlink broken (shared library installed in non-MA dir)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1131708 [12:15] Laney: dropping the .a file looks safe too, I'll file a merge for that and check the rdepends [12:16] the bot rejected my MP because of no commit message in it [12:16] will it automatically pick up the one I added? [12:17] Not to trouble you guys, but what exact changes do you make to libnotify so that it both works with Unity and gnome-shell? [12:19] Or does each shell prescribe notification routines which libnotify calls? [12:21] zgrep "Ryan Lortie" /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz [12:22] hehe [12:23] I do prefer with [ ], way more stylish :) [12:26] http://pink.bikeshed.com/ [12:44] desrt: haha, indeed. funny, he uses "mv" on freenode [13:04] mvo: Hey dude [13:06] hey davmor2! === dpm is now known as dpm-lunch [14:08] bug 1131664 sounds like it's going to be a big headache to maintain, I mean why stop at those 3 apps, why not patch in the old menus to everything? [14:09] Launchpad bug 1131664 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Patch the menus of the 'Calculator' and 'System Settings' apps to fit with Unity" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1131664 [14:16] jbicha, because everything is like 5 GNOME apps [14:16] so we could do it for "everything" ;-) [14:24] seb128: it's a lot more than 5, Contacts, Empathy, Totem, Disks, Font Viewer, Screenshot, Archive Manager, Mahjongg, Mines, Sudoku, etc. [14:27] yeah, I guess with the split games and utils you can go up to 15 [14:27] on the 15000 sources we have [14:27] could just revert a bunch of those to older versions :P [14:27] but yeah, it's annoying [14:28] maybe we should just find applications to replace those with [14:28] I'm sure it's even higher than 15 if you count universe [14:29] jbicha, right, I was speaking about things we use under Unity [14:29] if users decide to install apps that don't work well under Unity that's their problem [14:30] not something we recommend them doing [14:30] lol, the apps work fine under Unity === dpm-lunch is now known as dpm [14:32] Design's request to modify the System Settings menu doesn't make sense though; it's all of two items, Help & Close [14:32] they just have weird menus [14:33] seb128: it's not weird if 2/3 of the pre-installed apps do it [14:33] Evince 3.8 switched too [14:36] jbicha, well depends of what you define "weird", user testing showed that users don't get the difference between the shell menu and the cog dropdown one === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [15:06] seb128: I'm sure GNOME would be interested to see that user testing; since Nautilus has so many menu items I don't object to Ubuntu trying to use the "classic" menu structure [15:07] but I don't see the point in trying to add complex menus to simple utilities and games and I don't think those patches will be fun to write or maintain [15:07] jbicha: did you talk to cosimo? === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [15:09] desrt: ? [15:09] about menus in nautilus [15:10] he indicated during UDS that he may be willing to make some changes that would help us there [15:10] i also talked to him about it at boston summit [15:10] TheMuso: fd leaks? [15:11] desrt: no I haven't talked to him about that, maybe mterry should though [15:15] desrt: In Orca. [16:00] seb128, do you want a meeting today ? (i havent much to report and ubuntu touch simply has taken over the world) [16:00] (see the #ubuntu-phone channel if you havent yet, its like #ubuntu years ago) [16:01] ogra_, can do a quick round [16:01] k [16:02] stgraber, hey, my webcam didn't start for my hangouts this morning [16:03] is there some way I can check if this is due to the user session upstart as opposed to the hideous ball of binary goo we call the google plugin? [16:06] rickspencer3: no easy way to check, though I can't think of how the user sessions would affect this. Is it working in other apps (luvcview being the lightest tool I know of to test webcams)? [16:18] hello all ! [16:19] I'm trying to use Ubuntu Online Accounts in my App, but I'm missing something, can somebody help me ? [16:28] hi tintou, unfortunately the desktop team is huddled together in a conference room today [16:28] so, I think it may be slow for you to get an answer :) [16:28] rickspencer3: okay, thanks for your response, I'll try to ask another day then :D [16:58] mterry, did you have time to look at the partial upgrade problem? [16:59] mpt, no [17:00] mpt, it's on my TODO [17:01] k === chrisccoulson is now known as rmadison === rmadison is now known as chrisccoulson === francisco is now known as Guest16789 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away