[00:27] <davecheney> hello, thumper told me to complain in here about the 'my machine is too fast for lightdm' bug
[00:40] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryce, rickspencer3 just started to get a weird visual corruption on his desktop with his i945 device. Any reason he would be getting that?
[00:40] <jasoncwarner_> he is pretty sure it just started happening.
[00:40] <rickspencer3> hi bryce
[00:40] <thumper> hi jasoncwarner_
[00:40] <thumper> hi rickspencer3
[00:40] <jasoncwarner_> they thumper
[00:40] <rickspencer3> well< I just started noticing it in the sound indicator
[00:40] <thumper> I have no desktop
[00:40] <jasoncwarner_> hey, rather
[00:40] <rickspencer3> hey thumper
[00:41] <thumper> I just upgraded to raring
[00:41] <thumper> and I get a wallpaper
[00:41] <thumper> and that's it
[00:41] <rickspencer3> dang it!
[00:41] <rickspencer3> what is going on these days
[00:41] <thumper> you can't look at me now for that :)
[00:41] <rickspencer3> 13.04 has been really unstable for the last few days
[00:41] <jasoncwarner_> thumper did it get uninstalled? like, partial update or someting?
[00:41] <thumper> unity is there
[00:41] <thumper> but unity-panel-service is not
[00:42] <thumper> When I try to start untiy
[00:42] <jasoncwarner_> thumper: not installed? or not running?
[00:42] <thumper> I get compiz started
[00:42] <thumper> core initialises
[00:42] <thumper> then it says "unity-panel-service: no process found"
[00:42] <thumper> there is no unity-panel-service installed
[00:42] <thumper> there should be
[00:42] <thumper> :)
[00:43] <jasoncwarner_> thumper: aye...seems you might have had a partial update. rickspencer3 had one of those yesterday (unrelated)...
[00:43] <jasoncwarner_> no bueno
[00:43] <bschaefer> thumper, is this your problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1130679
[00:43] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1130679 in Compiz "[2013/02/20] compiz/unity don't run, just loading cpp" [Critical,In progress]
[00:43] <jasoncwarner_> can you manually install it?
[00:43] <thumper> I'm not sure what package it is supposed to be
[00:43] <bschaefer> (if you did a dist-upgrade)
[00:43] <thumper> hi bschaefer
[00:43] <bschaefer> thumper, hello!
[00:43] <thumper> bschaefer: I had the same problem with quantal this morning
[00:43] <thumper> and I thought that upgrading to raring would fix it
[00:44] <thumper> but no :(
[00:44] <bschaefer> thumper, o interesting, someone else was as well
[00:44] <thumper> I know that veebers had the issue on the testing laptop
[00:44] <bschaefer> ChrisTownsend was
[00:44] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh in case you missed the above (I messaged bryce nick instead ;) ) - rickspencer3 just started to get a weird visual corruption on his desktop with his i945 device. Any reason he would be getting that?
[00:44] <bschaefer> thumper, hmm have you tried starting u-p-s manually?
[00:45] <bschaefer> then starting unity
[00:45] <thumper> bschaefer: I can't, it isn't installed
[00:45] <bschaefer> thumper, really? very strange, is unity installed?
[00:45] <thumper> bschaefer: yes
[00:45] <thumper> bschaefer: which may be the reason there is a problem
[00:46] <bschaefer> thumper, hmm possibly a --reinstall could bring it back
[00:46] <bschaefer> as mine is here; /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service
[00:46] <rickspencer3> thumper, could you please log a bug
[00:46] <thumper> bschaefer: actually, I see the panel service there
[00:46] <rickspencer3> and I think there are log files from the update process that might help
[00:47] <bschaefer> very strange, as just doing a 'unity
[00:47] <thumper> bschaefer: why is it there and not /usr/bin??
[00:47] <bschaefer>  ' should start it up
[00:47]  * bschaefer has no clue
[00:47] <rickspencer3> thumper, have you been abusing this machine for development in your past as a Unity dev?
[00:47] <rickspencer3> like, what crazy PPAs are you running? ;)
[00:48] <jasoncwarner_> thumper: aye, file a bug and send my way...in the meantime, can you manually install it and get it running? (like will it allow you to install it?)
[00:48] <thumper> rickspencer3: none now, another benefit of upgrading
[00:48] <thumper> it seems I do have /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service
[00:48] <thumper> it is executable
[00:48] <thumper> but not in the default path
[00:49] <thumper> running u-p-s manually didn't help unity start
[00:49] <bschaefer> right, which the 'unity' script should be starting that anyway hmm
[00:50] <bschaefer> thumper, you could try /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service; compiz --replace ccp&
[00:50] <bschaefer> thumper, because looking at the unity script it seems to kill u-p-s...
[00:51] <thumper> hahaha
[00:51] <bschaefer> and if it can't find it, then it'll just kill it...leaving you nothing
[00:52]  * thumper sighs
[00:52] <thumper> it fails trying to load the ini backend
[00:52] <thumper> with a programmer error
[00:52] <thumper> can't find interface type 6
[00:52]  * thumper looks at old env file
[00:53]  * thumper set to ubuntu profile
[00:53] <thumper> ccp still fails
[00:53] <bschaefer> :(
[00:53] <thumper> Unable to find interface type 12
[00:53] <bschaefer> thumper, thats this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1130679
[00:53] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1130679 in Compiz "[2013/02/20] compiz/unity don't run, just loading cpp" [Critical,In progress]
[00:53] <bschaefer> :)
[00:53] <bschaefer> which will be fixed soon (when it merges)
[00:53] <thumper> yep...
[00:54] <thumper> bschaefer: what is the ETA on that?
[00:54] <bschaefer> thumper, idk, I approved this like 6 hours ago...
[00:54] <thumper> what is the auto-merger doing?
[00:54] <bschaefer> im not sure, even CI green lighted it 5 hours ago
[00:55] <bschaefer> thumper, you could compile compiz from trunk ;)
[00:55] <thumper> bschaefer: not any more thank you :)
[00:55] <bschaefer> haha
[01:07] <thumper> jasoncwarner_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1131489
[01:07] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1131489 in Unity "Unity fails to start" [Undecided,New]
[01:08] <jasoncwarner_> thanks thumper
[01:12] <thumper> jasoncwarner_: my laptop is going to sit here mostly useless until this is fixed :(
[01:13] <thumper> unless I can run metacity?
[01:13] <thumper> do we even still ship that?
[01:13] <thumper> ha
[01:13] <thumper> we do
[01:13] <thumper> at least I have window management back
[01:14] <thumper> and can move and resize
[01:16] <thumper> ok, at least I now have email, irc and a terminal running
[01:16] <thumper> and can work
[01:16] <thumper> but using metacity not unity
[01:19] <bschaefer> how dare you! (though i do wish that branch would merge...)
[01:19] <bschaefer> thumper, I think all people who handle the auto merger are away atm
[01:20]  * bschaefer re-approves the branch
[01:27] <thumper> veebers: do you know anything about the automerger?
[01:28] <veebers> thumper: not enough to be helpful in this instance I fear
[01:28] <thumper> ok
[01:28] <veebers> thumper: where is the issue? are you looking at a specific MP?
[01:28] <bschaefer> veebers, https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/compiz.fix_1130679/+merge/149574
[01:28] <thumper> bschaefer: can you point veebers at it?
[01:28] <thumper> bschaefer: ta
[01:28] <bschaefer> veebers, I just re-approved it
[01:28] <bschaefer> thumper, np
[01:40] <veebers> bschaefer: I'm taking a look at it now
[01:40] <bschaefer> veebers, thank you!
[06:24] <pitti> Good morning
[08:01] <jibel> good morning
[09:19] <seb128> happy friday desktopers
[09:20] <pitti> bonjour seb128, hereux vendredi!
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, salut, ca va bien ?
[09:20] <desrt> bonan vendredo, ĉiuj
[09:20] <pitti> oui, merci! wrestling with gnome :)
[09:20] <pitti> hey desrt
[09:23] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, should we do the Pandaboard stuff now?
[09:25] <mlankhorst> sure ill be there in a bit, looking for something before i go to the office
[09:25] <mlankhorst> ah nm found it, going to the office :P
[10:06] <czajkowski> morning folks
[10:06]  * czajkowski hugs TheMuso I have sound! 
[10:10] <czajkowski> seb128: this was the bug I was trying to explain yesterday. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1131372
[10:10] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1131372 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "When logging in user name and machine name become highlighed" [Undecided,New]
[10:10] <seb128> czajkowski, hey
[10:11] <seb128> mterry, ^ saw such issues before?
[10:12] <mterry> seb128, no
[10:12] <czajkowski> :/
[10:12] <czajkowski> well if it's meant to highlight I'll be happy, :)
[10:12] <czajkowski> but just seems odd
[10:12] <seb128> when did that start?
[10:13] <czajkowski> seb128: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1131321
[10:13] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1131321 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Emptying Rubbish bin doesn't bring you to focused folder" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:13] <seb128> is that raring?
[10:13] <czajkowski> yup
[10:13] <czajkowski> I do like Raring btw :)
[10:13] <mterry> czajkowski, oh in that case "it's meant to highlight"
[10:13] <mterry> One more happy user!
[10:13] <czajkowski> it just has these little quirks :)
[10:13] <mterry> seb128, yeah raring
[10:14] <mterry> (from bug)
[10:14] <seb128> czajkowski, that nautilus bug is weird as well, here "empty bin" doesn't open nautilus views
[10:14] <czajkowski> I find unique bugs, what can I say
[10:15] <mterry> czajkowski, we love testers like you  :)
[10:20] <czajkowski> mterry: I shall remind you , you said that at some point when I find more unique ones :)
[10:21] <mterry> czajkowski, well, I also have a love of ignoring bugs  :)
[10:21] <czajkowski> :(
[10:21] <czajkowski> yeah but that empty recycling one is a bit odd, you really think you're about to empty /home and then you check
[10:21] <m4n1sh> mvo: ping
[10:21] <m4n1sh> mvo: i made the changes to the merge req as you asked for https://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/software-properties/fix-874766-updates-tab-failed-auth/+merge/148924
[10:22] <mvo> m4n1sh: let me look
[10:22] <m4n1sh> mvo: thanks
[10:44] <TheMuso> czajkowski: Good to hear.
[10:50] <robru> seb128, did you get a chance to look at uploading Friends to raring yet?
[10:54] <mlankhorst> Laney: g'day
[10:55] <seb128> robru, ken did upload, I need to review, thanks for the reminder
[10:55] <seb128> robru, doing that now
[10:55] <robru> seb128, ok, thanks
[10:58] <desrt> robru: stop distracting seb.  he has gtk to upload.
[11:02] <mlankhorst> I read abstracting seb for some reason
[11:24] <m4n1sh> mvo: you want me to update the branch or will merge it?
[11:26] <mlankhorst> oh anyone sitting nearby and wanting to sign my canonical gpg key by any chance so I can become a debian dev? :P
[11:26] <mvo> m4n1sh: its fine, I just wanted to mention it as its a neat python thing, I will merge
[11:33] <desrt> mvo: enjoying brno? ;)
[11:36] <mvo> desrt: yeah, very different but good
[11:36] <pitti> mvo: err, you are in Brno?
[11:37] <desrt> mvo: having fun with the czech?
[11:39] <mvo> desrt: hm? now I'm confused
[11:39] <mvo> pitti: im in büro ;)
[11:39] <desrt> mvo: a few days ago a guy named mvo on gimpnet was talking about how he was going to brno
[11:40] <mvo> desrt: woah, yet another mvo - there is also marius volmer (mvo) who is a free software guy. I guess I simply need a longer nick
[11:40]  * mvo needs to leave for some minutes to get some food
[11:41] <desrt> mvo: yes.  it was that one :)
[11:42] <desrt> mvo: for about 3 minutes everyone on the desktop team was wondering why you would go to the redhat conference :)
[11:44] <didrocks> hey guys, long time no see :)
[11:44] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[11:44] <seb128> didrocks, already at the trains station?
[11:45] <didrocks> seb128: yep, security done, passport control as well
[11:45] <didrocks> just waiting for my train now :)
[11:45] <seb128> didrocks, what time is your train?
[11:45] <didrocks> seb128: 12:58, I was a little bit too pessimistic about the UK trains/subway
[11:45] <didrocks> after what Laney told me… ;)
[11:46] <didrocks> they still managed to have all trains 4 minutes late
[11:46] <seb128> yeah
[11:46] <didrocks> (better than 1h)
[11:46] <desrt> didrocks: welcome to schengen
[11:47] <didrocks> desrt: yeah, it feels like a totally different country here ;)
[11:47] <didrocks> no snow, nothing :p
[11:47] <desrt> different plugs, i hear
[11:48] <didrocks> desrt: normal ones, you meant I guess :)
[11:48] <didrocks> or rather "right ones"
[11:50] <didrocks> I see that desrt is always exhaustive in his reports :)
[11:50] <didrocks> like "and wrote that email" :)
[11:50] <desrt> :)
[11:50] <desrt> i forgot a few items, in fact
[11:50] <desrt> but too late to add them now
[11:51] <didrocks> heh
[11:51] <didrocks> like "oh btw…"
[11:57] <Laney> you left just before we had some daily landing fun ;-)
[12:02] <didrocks> 11:59:48   didrocks | ahah! seems it was the right time :)                                                                              │ bdrung
[12:02] <didrocks> 11:59:50   didrocks | what happened?                                                                                                    │ bigon
[12:02] <didrocks> Laney: ^
[12:03] <seb128> didrocks, weird copy/paste
[12:03] <didrocks> seb128: copying lines in weechat…
[12:03] <seb128> weeeeee
[12:03] <seb128> ;-)
[12:03] <didrocks> ;)
[12:04] <seb128> didrocks, some libindicator/libappindicator issues in the landing
[12:04] <seb128> didrocks, incorrect path in a .install for the gtk3 version of the lib apparently
[12:04] <seb128> breaking builds
[12:05] <didrocks> interesting, needed some tests then? I guess cyphermox is on top of the story :)
[12:06] <seb128> yeah, Laney and him are on it
[12:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: don't worry if you need to trigger some rebuilds then to have this fixed before the week-end
[12:06] <didrocks> excellent, thanks Laney, cyphermox :-)
[12:06] <cyphermox> didrocks: yeah we'll add autopkgtests to catch this in the future
[12:06] <didrocks> \o/
[12:07] <didrocks> it's in the distro for quite some days, weird that the alarm bell didn't ring before :)
[12:07] <seb128> didrocks, people keep the fun for friday
[12:07] <cyphermox> didrocks: well it's the non-gtk3 one, and we build almost everything with the gtk3 version
[12:07] <cyphermox> seb128: don't get me starting on friday changes
[12:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: who cares about non gtk3? I think desrt will agree ;)
[12:07] <cyphermox> didrocks: I still don't undetstand why appindicator didn't go red in the faily builds
[12:08] <cyphermox> didrocks: hehe
[12:08] <cyphermox> oh
[12:11] <didrocks> ah ok, bug #1131708 :)
[12:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1131708 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "-dev symlink broken (shared library installed in non-MA dir)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1131708
[12:15] <cyphermox> Laney: dropping the .a file looks safe too, I'll file a merge for that and check the rdepends
[12:16] <Laney> the bot rejected my MP because of no commit message in it
[12:16] <Laney> will it automatically pick up the one I added?
[12:17] <vibhav> Not to trouble you guys, but what exact changes do you make to libnotify so that it both works with Unity and gnome-shell?
[12:19] <vibhav> Or does each shell prescribe notification routines which libnotify calls?
[12:21] <Laney> zgrep "Ryan Lortie" /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz
[12:22] <cyphermox> hehe
[12:23] <didrocks> I do prefer with [ ], way more stylish :)
[12:26] <mlankhorst> http://pink.bikeshed.com/
[12:44] <mvo> desrt: haha, indeed. funny, he uses "mv" on freenode
[13:04] <davmor2> mvo: Hey dude
[13:06] <mvo> hey davmor2!
[14:08] <jbicha> bug 1131664 sounds like it's going to be a big headache to maintain, I mean why stop at those 3 apps, why not patch in the old menus to everything?
[14:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1131664 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Patch the menus of the 'Calculator' and 'System Settings' apps to fit with Unity" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
[14:16] <seb128> jbicha, because everything is like 5 GNOME apps
[14:16] <seb128> so we could do it for "everything" ;-)
[14:24] <jbicha> seb128: it's a lot more than 5, Contacts, Empathy, Totem, Disks, Font Viewer, Screenshot, Archive Manager, Mahjongg, Mines, Sudoku, etc.
[14:27] <seb128> yeah, I guess with the split games and utils you can go up to 15
[14:27] <seb128> on the 15000 sources we have
[14:27] <mdeslaur> could just revert a bunch of those to older versions :P
[14:27] <seb128> but yeah, it's annoying
[14:28] <seb128> maybe we should just find applications to replace those with
[14:28] <jbicha> I'm sure it's even higher than 15 if you count universe
[14:29] <seb128> jbicha, right, I was speaking about things we use under Unity
[14:29] <seb128> if users decide to install apps that don't work well under Unity that's their problem
[14:30] <seb128> not something we recommend them doing
[14:30] <jbicha> lol, the apps work fine under Unity
[14:32] <jbicha> Design's request to modify the System Settings menu doesn't make sense though; it's all of two items, Help & Close
[14:32] <seb128> they just have weird menus
[14:33] <jbicha> seb128: it's not weird if 2/3 of the pre-installed apps do it
[14:33] <jbicha> Evince 3.8 switched too
[14:36] <seb128> jbicha, well depends of what you define "weird", user testing showed that users don't get the difference between the shell menu and the cog dropdown one
[15:06] <jbicha> seb128: I'm sure GNOME would be interested to see that user testing; since Nautilus has so many menu items I don't object to Ubuntu trying to use the "classic" menu structure
[15:07] <jbicha> but I don't see the point in trying to add complex menus to simple utilities and games and I don't think those patches will be fun to write or maintain
[15:07] <desrt> jbicha: did you talk to cosimo?
[15:09] <jbicha> desrt: ?
[15:09] <desrt> about menus in nautilus
[15:10] <desrt> he indicated during UDS that he may be willing to make some changes that would help us there
[15:10] <desrt> i also talked to him about it at boston summit
[15:10] <desrt> TheMuso: fd leaks?
[15:11] <jbicha> desrt: no I haven't talked to him about that, maybe mterry should though
[15:15] <TheMuso> desrt: In Orca.
[16:00] <ogra_> seb128, do you want a meeting today ? (i havent much to report and ubuntu touch simply has taken over the world)
[16:00] <ogra_> (see the #ubuntu-phone channel if you havent yet, its like #ubuntu years ago)
[16:01] <seb128> ogra_, can do a quick round
[16:01] <ogra_> k
[16:02] <rickspencer3> stgraber, hey, my webcam didn't start for my hangouts this morning
[16:03] <rickspencer3> is there some way I can check if this is due to the user session upstart as opposed to the hideous ball of binary goo we call the google plugin?
[16:06] <stgraber> rickspencer3: no easy way to check, though I can't think of how the user sessions would affect this. Is it working in other apps (luvcview being the lightest tool I know of to test webcams)?
[16:18] <tintou> hello all !
[16:19] <tintou> I'm trying to use Ubuntu Online Accounts in my App, but I'm missing something, can somebody help me ?
[16:28] <rickspencer3> hi tintou, unfortunately the desktop team is huddled together in a conference room today
[16:28] <rickspencer3> so, I think it may be slow for you to get an answer :)
[16:28] <tintou> rickspencer3: okay, thanks for your response, I'll try to ask another day then :D
[16:58] <mpt> mterry, did you have time to look at the partial upgrade problem?
[16:59] <mterry> mpt, no
[17:00] <mterry> mpt, it's on my TODO
[17:01] <mpt> k