| Len-nb | Lump|AFK, I found a weird one. IHU is a sip phone client, it has a jack driver... so I thought I would try it. Turns out it is jack in but alsa out Say what? | 04:50 |
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| Len-nb | I am noticing that a lot of these apps have not been updated by the dev for a few years, though the ubuntu/debian maintainers have made bug fixes to keep them working with new kernels etc. | 04:51 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: Did you have any problems setting up your blog at planet.ubuntu.com? | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, no at all | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | I posted one about ISO Testing in Ubuntu Globaal Jam | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | Next one: /me being first to put an device onto the porting WIP for Ubuntu Touch:P | 13:47 |
| zequence | I get a Permission denied | 13:48 |
| zequence | ..when trying to get the bzr branch | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, whoa? You shouldn't | 13:49 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, are you using the correct ssh key?!?! | 13:49 |
| zequence | of course | 13:50 |
| zequence | I don't have any problems with other LP stuff | 13:50 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, that's weird.... Extremely weird | 13:51 |
| zequence | Actually, I am. Well, I'll manage it | 13:52 |
| zequence | I think it's enough you change the comment in your public ssh file to have it not work | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | Damn Blender has released 2.66 and we are still in 2.63a :P | 14:15 |
| zequence | There's no hurry. Unless, there are some severe bug fixes that we need to get in | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I don't think so. | 14:16 |
| zequence | But, I guess we could think about maintaining packages for Ubuntu Studio, for those that we'd want to keep very up to date | 14:17 |
| zequence | I'm not doing it, but if you'd like to, that would be fine with me | 14:17 |
| zequence | The important thing is that whatever bug fixes, or changes we make, say to the original debian packages, we make sure to send those upstream as much as possible | 14:18 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, the trouble is: I don't know about debian side of packages........ | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | I know the Ubuntu side of these | 14:19 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: they are more or less the same | 14:19 |
| zequence | Ubuntu packages are debian packages, after all | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, and I don't have a Debian system | 14:19 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: You don't need one | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, oh? | 14:20 |
| zequence | Say you change the build in debian/rules, because you have a good reason to do that. If we have a local Ubuntu package, based on a Debian one, we'd suggest the same change into Debian | 14:21 |
| zequence | If the package we have is very different from a Debian package, that would be different | 14:21 |
| zequence | If the only reason to package for Ubuntu is to keep something up to date, then what you do is you get a Debian package, and update it | 14:22 |
| zequence | When suggesting a change, you'd get the git source for the Debian package, and make a patch, and send it to the right mail list | 14:23 |
| zequence | or make a Debian bug, and put it there | 14:23 |
| zequence | it's not very difficult | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, OK | 14:23 |
| zequence | I passed the A+ exam, btw. | 15:39 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, what's the A+ ? | 15:40 |
| zequence | It's a basic certificate for administrating computers | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, good | 15:40 |
| zequence | It's an American thing, but also international | 15:40 |
| zequence | Makes you feel like a parrot, studying for it | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | :) | 15:41 |
| zequence | I'm doing Network+ next. Then, Linux+, Security+ and maybe some other + | 15:43 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, where is that exam? | 15:43 |
| zequence | Some Cisco probably. Maybe even Windows certificates | 15:43 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: In my home town | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I mean link | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | wbsite | 15:44 |
| zequence | http://certification.comptia.org/home.aspx | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I thought of one thing: the -rt kernels release per 2 linux releases (like 3.2, 3.4, 3.6, 3.8) That will cause problems to maintain the kernel in the future | 15:58 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: The solution is to always use the current or the older kernel | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, OK | 15:59 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: It doesn't absolutely have to be the current one | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, :) | 15:59 |
| zequence | But, we should make it compatible with Ubuntu kernels | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, so what if 13.10 uses a 3.11 kernel and does that mean we can only use 3.10 ? | 15:59 |
| zequence | That means, proprietary graphic drivers, and other things that require kernel modules should work | 16:00 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: Yes | 16:00 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, OK | 16:00 |
| zequence | The biggest problem with -rt is not just to build the -rt. It's to apply the ubuntu patches, and the apply -rt | 16:00 |
| zequence | I haven't ever tried that, and it could potentially become messy | 16:01 |
| zequence | It might mean you have to manually create a new patch | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, yeah | 16:01 |
| zequence | There may even be things that are in conflict between Ubuntu and -rt | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, that's more agreeable | 16:02 |
| zequence | I mean, even when all the patches have been applied, there could be a conflict | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I know | 16:02 |
| zequence | There could be serious problems | 16:02 |
| * smartboyhw thinks this is increasingly difficult | 16:02 | |
| zequence | Like people breaking their computers, that kind of problems (worst case scenario) | 16:03 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, yep . | 16:03 |
| zequence | Many people expect -rt to be default, but I guess they haven't broken any hardware | 16:03 |
| zequence | Like, I did once | 16:03 |
| zequence | This was on Fedora. Two hard disks failed at once | 16:04 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, eh | 16:04 |
| zequence | It is experimental. Not everyone understands this | 16:04 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, yeah | 16:04 |
| zequence | Doesn't mean it can't be done | 16:05 |
| zequence | It would be good to understand the patch well enough to know what could potentially cause problems | 16:05 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, but it will be difficult than the easier -lowlatency | 16:05 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I will try to see if there will be any problems with Ubuntu kernel with -rt 3.8 | 16:05 |
| zequence | with -lowlatency we basically don't need to know anything about kernels | 16:06 |
| zequence | scott-work: Good day to you, sir | 16:12 |
| zequence | scott-work: I'm just trying to make some kind of draft of the mission statement | 17:28 |
| zequence | scott-work: under progress. Is it any good? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/MissionStatement | 17:29 |
| Len-nb | zequence, The CNC people are thinking of going away from the RT kernels to something else. (not on this machine, I'll look downstairs) | 22:18 |
| Len-nb | They already tell the kernel to only use one of two or more cores and then use those other cores for their RT stuff. | 22:19 |
| Len-nb | I don't know if any of our audio apps are up to figuring out they should run on a particular core though. | 22:21 |
| len-1304 | The new thing is called Xenomai. | 23:21 |
| len-1304 | (well newer) | 23:22 |
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