[04:50] <Len-nb> Lump|AFK, I found a weird one. IHU is a sip phone client, it has a jack driver... so I thought I would try it. Turns out it is jack in but alsa out   Say what?
[04:51] <Len-nb> I am noticing that a lot of these apps have not been updated by the dev for a few years, though the ubuntu/debian maintainers have made bug fixes to keep them working with new kernels etc.
[13:46] <zequence> smartboyhw: Did you have any problems setting up your blog at planet.ubuntu.com?
[13:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, no at all
[13:46] <smartboyhw> I posted one about ISO Testing in Ubuntu Globaal Jam
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Next one: /me being first to put an device onto the porting WIP for Ubuntu Touch:P
[13:48] <zequence> I get a Permission denied
[13:48] <zequence> ..when trying to get the bzr branch
[13:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, whoa? You shouldn't
[13:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, are you using the correct ssh key?!?!
[13:50] <zequence> of course
[13:50] <zequence> I don't have any problems with other LP stuff
[13:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, that's weird.... Extremely weird
[13:52] <zequence> Actually, I am. Well, I'll manage it
[14:02] <zequence> I think it's enough you change the comment in your public ssh file to have it not work
[14:03] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Damn Blender has released 2.66 and we are still in 2.63a :P
[14:16] <zequence> There's no hurry. Unless, there are some severe bug fixes that we need to get in
[14:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, I don't think so.
[14:17] <zequence> But, I guess we could think about maintaining packages for Ubuntu Studio, for those that we'd want to keep very up to date
[14:17] <zequence> I'm not doing it, but if you'd like to, that would be fine with me
[14:18] <zequence> The important thing is that whatever bug fixes, or changes we make, say to the original debian packages, we make sure to send those upstream as much as possible
[14:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, the trouble is: I don't know about debian side of packages........
[14:19] <smartboyhw> I know the Ubuntu side of these
[14:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: they are more or less the same
[14:19] <zequence> Ubuntu packages are debian packages, after all
[14:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, and I don't have a Debian system 
[14:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: You don't need one
[14:20] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh?
[14:21] <zequence> Say you change the build in debian/rules, because you have a good reason to do that. If we have a local Ubuntu package, based on a Debian one, we'd suggest the same change into Debian
[14:21] <zequence> If the package we have is very different from a Debian package, that would be different
[14:22] <zequence> If the only reason to package for Ubuntu is to keep something up to date, then what you do is you get a Debian package, and update it
[14:23] <zequence> When suggesting a change, you'd get the git source for the Debian package, and make a patch, and send it to the right mail list
[14:23] <zequence> or make a Debian bug, and put it there
[14:23] <zequence> it's not very difficult
[14:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[15:39] <zequence> I passed the A+ exam, btw. 
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, what's the A+ ?
[15:40] <zequence> It's a basic certificate for administrating computers
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[15:40] <zequence> It's an American thing, but also international
[15:41] <zequence> Makes you feel like a parrot, studying for it
[15:41] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:43] <zequence> I'm doing Network+ next. Then, Linux+, Security+ and maybe some other +
[15:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, where is that exam?
[15:43] <zequence> Some Cisco probably. Maybe even Windows certificates
[15:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: In my home town
[15:44] <smartboyhw> zequence, I mean link
[15:44] <smartboyhw> wbsite
[15:44] <zequence> http://certification.comptia.org/home.aspx
[15:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, I thought of one thing: the -rt kernels release per 2 linux releases (like 3.2, 3.4, 3.6, 3.8) That will cause problems to maintain the kernel in the future
[15:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: The solution is to always use the current or the older kernel
[15:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[15:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: It doesn't absolutely have to be the current one
[15:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[15:59] <zequence> But, we should make it compatible with Ubuntu kernels
[15:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, so what if 13.10 uses a 3.11 kernel and does that mean we can only use 3.10 ?
[16:00] <zequence> That means, proprietary graphic drivers, and other things that require kernel modules should work
[16:00] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes
[16:00] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[16:00] <zequence> The biggest problem with -rt is not just to build the -rt. It's to apply the ubuntu patches, and the apply -rt
[16:01] <zequence> I haven't ever tried that, and it could potentially become messy
[16:01] <zequence> It might mean you have to manually create a new patch
[16:01] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[16:01] <zequence> There may even be things that are in conflict between Ubuntu and -rt
[16:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, that's more agreeable
[16:02] <zequence> I mean, even when all the patches have been applied, there could be a conflict
[16:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, I know
[16:02] <zequence> There could be serious problems
[16:02]  * smartboyhw thinks this is increasingly difficult
[16:03] <zequence> Like people breaking their computers, that kind of problems (worst case scenario)
[16:03] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep . 
[16:03] <zequence> Many people expect -rt to be default, but I guess they haven't broken any hardware
[16:03] <zequence> Like, I did once
[16:04] <zequence> This was on Fedora. Two hard disks failed at once
[16:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, eh
[16:04] <zequence> It is experimental. Not everyone understands this
[16:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[16:05] <zequence> Doesn't mean it can't be done
[16:05] <zequence> It would be good to understand the patch well enough to know what could potentially cause problems
[16:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, but it will be difficult than the easier -lowlatency
[16:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, I will try to see if there will be any problems with Ubuntu kernel with -rt 3.8
[16:06] <zequence> with -lowlatency we basically don't need to know anything about kernels
[16:12] <zequence> scott-work: Good day to you, sir
[17:28] <zequence> scott-work: I'm just trying to make some kind of draft of the mission statement
[17:29] <zequence> scott-work: under progress. Is it any good? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/MissionStatement
[22:18] <Len-nb> zequence, The CNC people are thinking of going away from the RT kernels to something else. (not on this machine, I'll look downstairs)
[22:19] <Len-nb> They already tell the kernel to only use one of two or more cores and then use those other cores for their RT stuff.
[22:21] <Len-nb> I don't know if any of our audio apps are up to figuring out they should run on a particular core though.
[23:21] <len-1304> The new thing is called Xenomai.
[23:22] <len-1304> (well newer)