[01:14] <len-1304> zequence, last time I had problems with windows I wiped the disk.
[06:40] <zequence> len-1304: That's the ultimate bug fix, in deed
[13:24] <studio-user620> Hello, is possible install kde in ubuntu studio?
[13:24] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, well yes
[13:24] <smartboyhw> !kde
[13:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:24] <studio-user620> and works well?
[13:25] <studio-user620> y have a kde installed, but dont works well. Why? What error i have?
[13:25] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, you mean now?
[13:27] <studio-user620> Sorry, I do not speak good English. I have installed KDE but works well, what mistake have I had?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, !?
[13:27] <studio-user620> you undestande me?
[13:28] <studio-user620> you understand?
[13:28] <studio-user620> You do not understand?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, no
[13:29] <studio-user620> I install KDE desk but not works well. Why?
[13:30] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, how does it not work?
[13:30] <studio-user620> the system stops responding.
[13:31] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, !?
[13:31] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, which version?
[13:31] <studio-user620> 12.10 ubuntu studio, kde 4.09
[13:32] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, hmm that's weird.
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Go to #kubuntu for that
[13:32] <studio-user620> aha
[13:33] <studio-user620> but what kernel use kubuntu? I need a low latency, I have laptop and i need save powering
[13:35] <zequence> studio-user620: lowlatency may be worse for batter, but if you want low latency, you have no choice
[13:36] <zequence> studio-user620: if the desktop stops responding, that can be multiple reasons. First things I would check is graphic drivers
[13:36] <smartboyhw> studio-user620, Kubuntu uses -generic
[13:36] <zequence> studio-user620: Make sure you don't get the same problem with other desktops, or OSs on the same machine
[13:37] <zequence> studio-user620: You'll need to be a member of "audio" group in order to have realtime privilege, so make sure you are
[13:37] <studio-user620_> Ubuntu studio use kernel 3.5 low latency
[13:37] <zequence> studio-user620: Seems like you have a bad internet connection
[13:38] <zequence> 14:35 < zequence> studio-user620: lowlatency may be worse for batter, but if you want low latency, you have no choice
[13:38] <zequence> 14:36 < zequence> studio-user620: if the desktop stops responding, that can be multiple reasons. First things I would check is graphic drivers
[13:38] <zequence> 14:36 < zequence> studio-user620: Make sure you don't get the same problem with other desktops, or OSs on the same machine
[13:38] <zequence> 14:37 < zequence> studio-user620: You'll need to be a member of "audio" group in order to have realtime privilege, so make sure you are
[13:38] <studio-user620_> Ubuntu studio use kernel 3.5 low latency
[13:39] <zequence> audio group + lowlatency, and answering "yes" to realtime when installing jackd will give you good low latency performance
[15:07] <TheGrey> o/
[15:07] <TheGrey> how do I setup m-audio audiophile 2496? I've made asound.rc be for my card. I've heard it uses envy24control. How/what do I do? :)
[15:07] <TheGrey> FYI I was sent from ubuntu
[15:09] <holstein> ok.. my rehearsal is postponed
[15:09] <holstein> TheGrey: first suggestion
[15:09] <holstein> undo whatever you have done that might have broken it
[15:09] <TheGrey> ok
[15:09] <holstein> if you want, just load up the live CD, so we dont have to wonder
[15:09] <holstein> if you can, and dont mind to, disable the other onboard card in the bios...
[15:10] <TheGrey> right
[15:11] <TheGrey> and then what should I do?
[15:11] <holstein> then, you'll start JACK like this...
[15:11] <holstein> open a terminal and type 'gksudo qjackctl'
[15:11] <holstein> this will be for testing purposes.. you wont run jack as root normally
[15:11] <holstein> this will bring up the jack control GUI
[15:12] <TheGrey> right, I see it!
[15:12] <holstein> ok.. click 'setup'
[15:12] <holstein> in the left column
[15:12] <holstein> realtime is checked
[15:13] <holstein> in the center
[15:13] <holstein> frames/period 1024
[15:13] <holstein> periods/buffer 2
[15:14] <holstein> i seem to remember the sample rate being 441000
[15:14] <holstein> try 44100 first
[15:14] <holstein> now.. abover that under "server" make sure driver is alsa
[15:15] <holstein> then, on the right column, you see "interface"
[15:15] <holstein> that is where we select the audiofile
[15:15] <holstein> phile*
[15:15] <holstein> there are 2 dropdown menus to check from
[15:15] <holstein> also, all these labels are from alsa, and can be totally wrong, so i dont trust them
[15:16] <TheGrey> ok. When in the interface bow I can select hw:2
[15:17] <holstein> sure, but we dont know that its hw:2
[15:17] <holstein> and, there is another place to look
[15:17] <holstein> right there, there are *two* drop down menus
[15:17] <holstein> 2 arrows
[15:17] <holstein> try the other one as well
[15:17] <TheGrey> * in the alsa side. But in the normal drop down I get only hw:0, plughw:0, /dev/audio and /dev/dsp
[15:18] <holstein> also, i have literally just tried them all, since, not only do you not know if its hw:2, but next time you boot the machine, those can change
[15:18] <TheGrey> On the alsa side I have hw:2 and hw:2 ICE 1712 multi
[15:18] <holstein> TheGrey: this is another reason why i like to disable the onboard
[15:18] <holstein> if you have only the one card, then it'll be the only one. at boot time,  config
[15:18] <holstein> right now, you have the only config like that, anywhere
[15:19] <holstein> you could have the only machine that has that exact hardware.. *anywhere*
[15:19] <holstein> so, you will be the only one who can sort out how to configure it
[15:19] <holstein> now.. if you remove some variables, then you can better guess
[15:19] <TheGrey> thanks. and do I need to enable programs to use JACK like firefox, etc?
[15:20] <holstein> TheGrey: there is a pulse bridge.. that you should have by default
[15:20] <holstein> we will check for that.. or, you can just not use JACK
[15:20] <holstein> or just dont use that card
[15:20] <holstein> depends on what you are doing.. it might be overkill... JACK, and/or the device
[15:21] <TheGrey> I uninstalling it a while ago because of buzzing issues.. Could these isssues be related to the onboard soundcard not being superior?
[15:21] <holstein> sure
[15:21] <holstein> could be anything though
[15:22] <holstein> anyways.. you select "device" and hit the "Start" button
[15:22] <holstein> it'll go green, or spit out errors which you can troubleshoot
[15:23] <TheGrey> right, I still have no audio, but this could be because I only have ALSA. I uninstall pulse. Should I install pulse in order to hear audio through JACK?
[15:23] <holstein> no, you let me know if JACK has started or not, and then we can test the audio
[15:24] <TheGrey> thanks, I've started the server. So far nothing I can hear
[15:24] <holstein> did it start? with no errors?
[15:24] <holstein> correct.. *dont* try and hear anything
[15:25] <holstein> literally ht the start button, and tell me if it starts without errors
[15:25] <holstein> hit*
[15:25] <TheGrey> where would I see any errors. I cannot see  any erros
[15:25] <holstein> ok
[15:25] <holstein> stop jack with the stop botn and close the jack window
[15:25] <holstein> button*
[15:26] <TheGrey> ok done that
[15:26] <holstein> then, reopen qjackctl from the menu as normal user and try starting again, not testing "sound" at all
[15:26] <radi_> Hallo Dear All, I have a pray for you to give me a instructions for how to compile low latency kernel in ubuntu studio 12.10 Quantal Quentzal thanks a lot !With best wishes  Radoslav Boiadjiev
[15:26] <holstein> just start, and see that it starts
[15:26] <holstein> radi_: just use the one from the repos
[15:26] <holstein> radi_: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[15:26] <zequence> radi_: You want to change the configuration?
[15:27] <holstein> TheGrey: running as normal user?
[15:27] <TheGrey> holstein: yep but I get this error: http://pastebin.com/rPxEGRLC
[15:28] <holstein> TheGrey: what operating system did you install?
[15:28] <TheGrey> ;_; a debian based distro
[15:29] <radi_> but i try to compile custom kernel in Kubuntu, and result was great
[15:29] <TheGrey> but its too small and its IRC is barren
[15:29] <holstein> TheGrey: you can try the ubuntustudio live CD, then, i will know that you nor the small distro you are using are causing the issue
[15:29] <holstein> TheGrey: otherwise, you can try adding yourself to the audio group
[15:29] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[15:30] <holstein> TheGrey: maybe JACK is overkill.. i would consider using pulse and pavucontrol
[15:30] <holstein> TheGrey: you can test all of this from a live CD, and apply your findings to whatever distro
[15:30] <TheGrey> thanks. And have use ever had these buzzing sounds from pulse?
[15:31] <holstein> TheGrey: the buzzing sound is likely hardware related
[15:31] <radi_> i install ubuntustudio, and its good working, but i I want most of my hardware
[15:31] <zequence> radi_: The difference between -generic and -lowlatency https://github.com/zequence/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency/blob/lowlatency/debian.lowlatency/config-delta
[15:31] <holstein> TheGrey: i have never had pulse its self creating a buzzing sound.. no
[15:31] <zequence> radi_: linux-generic == linux-lowlatency, except for those configs
[15:31] <holstein> radi_: so, you are doing realtime effect processing?
[15:32] <zequence> radi_: There's one patch too. Which gives you the kernel paramter "threadirqs" by default
[15:33] <holstein> radi_: realtime effects processing or live software synths?
[15:34] <radi_> i dont no, but i hear that the sound is much better than other distributions
[15:34] <holstein> radi_: its not.. the sound is the same
[15:34] <holstein> radi_: the latency you seek is only going to help if you are doing realtime effects processing or software synths
[15:34] <radi_> no!!! absolutely  much better!!!
[15:35] <holstein> radi_: no.. its the same hardware and software
[15:35] <zequence> I think he means lower latency
[15:35] <holstein> radi_: latency doesnt effect the sound quality
[15:35] <radi_> i hear this with tube amplifiers!!!
[15:35] <zequence> ..or does he?
[15:35] <holstein> radi_: i dont care what you are monitoring on.. the quality is not effected
[15:36] <zequence> radi_: The sound is exactly the same on any kernel. Unless you are talking about audio droupouts.
[15:36] <holstein> if you are doing live effects processing of a guitar live ,then you might want/need lower latency.. but the sound quality is not effected by the kernel
[15:36] <radi_> but result is much better than Kubuntu
[15:37] <holstein> radi_: no.. the result might have lower latency.. not "better"
[15:37] <holstein> kubuntu *is* ubuntu.. ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu.. we just have a kerne that you can use in kubuntu if you like, since its in the default repos
[15:37] <zequence> radi_: You can install linux-lowlatency on Kubuntu, just like holstein said: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[15:37] <TheGrey> holstein: How can I install pulseaudio? Just sudo apt-get pulseaudio?
[15:38] <holstein> TheGrey: i would just search pulseaudio and see what comes up, but i remeber it being simlilarly easy
[15:38] <zequence> TheGrey: probably, but why not just use a distro that has all of that set up, like Debian?
[15:38] <zequence> or, a desktop base that has that setup
[15:39] <radi_> but iI want to compile linux-lowlatency
[15:41] <zequence> radi_: Why?
[15:41] <zequence> radi_: It is already compiled
[15:41] <radi_> because I want most of my hardware
[15:42] <zequence> radi_: You want to change the config?
[15:42] <zequence> like this one https://github.com/zequence/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency/blob/lowlatency/debian.lowlatency/config-delta
[15:43] <holstein> radi_: we have lowlatency, by default.. you have a lowlatency kernel
[15:43] <holstein> radi_: you might want what was called the "realtime" kernel.. but im trying to determine if you need it
[15:43] <radi_> I compiled kernel in Kubuntu, and PC is working very-better
[15:44] <holstein> radi_: kubuntu *is* ubuntu, so you can just user that kernel here in ubuntustudio
[15:44] <radi_> I want the same with ubuntustudio
[15:45] <holstein> radi_: sure.. just pull that *same* kernel over
[15:45] <holstein> radi_: it *is* the same.. and it will work the same
[15:45] <holstein> radi_: ubuntu, kubutu, ubuntustudio.. they are all the same.. the same repos... just customized
[15:45] <zequence> radi_: Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, MythBuntu, all of them are the same
[15:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah yeah yeah
[15:46] <smartboyhw> radi_, what do you mean by *compile* kernel?
[15:46] <radi_> compiled kernel in Kubuntu working fast
[15:46] <smartboyhw> radi_, why do you HAVE to?
[15:46] <holstein> radi_: use that one, the one you compiled that you are using in kubuntu.. use it in ubuntustudio
[15:46] <zequence> radi_: Xubuntu has the same kernel as Kubuntu, Lubuntu and all the others, except Ubuntu Studio
[15:47] <holstein> radi_: the "fast" one. the one you like. the one you want to use.. use it in ubuntustudio
[15:47] <radi_> for fastest work
[15:47] <holstein> radi_: sure.. for *whatever* work you want
[15:47] <holstein> radi_: use that one
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Xubuntu + Kubuntu + Lubuntu + Edubuntu + Mythbuntu: -generic Ubuntu Studio: -lowlatency
[15:47] <holstein> radi_: though, i doubt you need lower latency than what the stock kernel provides
[15:49] <radi_> its spesific magik in Ubuntu Studio-the sound is diferent w my soundblaster cardith
[15:50] <holstein> radi_: no its not
[15:50] <holstein> radi_: its not different at all
[15:51] <radi_> It said my ears
[15:51] <holstein> radi_: the software is different, and allows you to create different sounds, but that software is in the default repos, and available to the other distros
[15:51] <holstein> radi_: then, you mis-heard... the hardware will sound the same
[15:52] <radi_> the sound is more crisp, dynamic
[15:53] <zequence> radi_: It's physically impossible
[15:53] <holstein> radi_: nope.. its not.. its the same.. but you are welcome to enjoy ubuntustudio
[15:53] <zequence> radi_: digital sound: 0101010101. Kernels don't change that
[15:53] <holstein> radi_: you are welcom to enjoy our kernel in other distro.. or the other software or metapackages..
[15:54] <holstein> you are welcome to use the kernel you have already made with ubuntustudio.. you are welcome and encouraged to create another one
[15:54] <holstein> but, your hardware is your hardware.. its hardware
[15:54] <holstein> it would be like saying your screen lookds better running ubuntu instead of xubuntu
[15:54] <holstein> when, if that were the case, it would be hardware related
[15:54] <holstein> or driver related
[15:54] <radi_> for example of sound in PC Linux is worse than Kubuntu
[15:55] <holstein> radi_: its not
[15:57] <radi_> My daughter is a professional musician, pianist, and she confirmed my observations
[15:57] <holstein> radi_: no.. its not possible
[15:57] <holstein> radi_: i am a proffesonal musican as well, and i can assure you, its the software choices that change things
[15:57] <holstein> gotta run.. rehearsal!
[15:58] <zequence> radi_: The difference between linux-lowlatency and linux-generic is very, very small. And does not even involve any audio code
[15:58] <zequence> radi_: Do you know what low latency is?
[15:59] <radi_> yes
[16:00] <smartboyhw> radi_, seriously: Kernels doesn't change sound output or hardware....
[16:00] <radi_> i agree
[16:00] <radi_> For example, if the sound file is wav 44100 hertz, and maintained all soundcard 192000 hertz wrote in the audio-settings-audio output frecuency -44100 x 4 = 176400 hertz, the sound is much better and more detailed!!! In newer versions this valuable option is missing. My request is how to add it in the configuration file or otherwise. I compiled earlier versions of VLC, but I want to use the new versions...! My request is if you can still
[16:00] <radi_> return the old option for audio output frecuency !!!
[16:01] <smartboyhw> !?
[16:01] <radi_> this i wrote to vlc
[16:02] <radi_> it is the way to have much better sound сх Всхкй
[16:02] <radi_>  it is the way to have much better sound in Linux
[16:03] <radi_> try this-the sound is great
[21:26] <d3n4riu5> hello, I just acquire a midi controller hercules dj console to mix and I use virtual dj software as my problem 'is that the key is not just reconue joystick that controls the cursor is qmidiroute that can pay this bug the problem is when i try to configure my dj controller virtual dj program and I still do not understand Qmidi route
[21:43] <holstein> d3n4riu5-bn8: try again.. you have hardware... hercules, and it doesnt do what?
[21:50] <d3n4riu5-bn8> i can't config the command in the control panel of my software the bouton is not reconize
[21:50] <holstein> d3n4riu5-bn8: try #opensourcemusicians
[21:51] <d3n4riu5-bn8> tanks holstein