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babilenHi all -- Not sure if this is the correct channel, but I couldn't really think of a better one. (I am also not familiar with your policy on changing commonly used factoids)12:14
k1l_!cn12:14
ubottu如欲獲得中文的協助,請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw12:14
k1l_that factoid it is12:14
babilenJust wanted to note that your cn factoid ^^^ uses traditional characters that were commonly used in China until a script reform half a century ago. They are not necessarily understood by Chinese people, but still in use in Taiwan, Hongkong and other places.12:15
ikoniamaybe we need to split it out for China/Taiwan/HongKong12:16
babilenIt might therefore make sense to change the factoid to what is today called simplified characters that are taught in China.12:16
DJonesbabilen: Is there something you'd suggest as an alternative12:16
DJonesikonia: That sounds a sensible suggestion12:16
babilenTaiwanese (and other Chinese speaking people) are much more likely to be able to read simplified characters though (as a large part of the Chinese internet originates in China)12:17
ikoniababilen: I'm assuming your Chineese is quite strong then ?12:17
babilenDJones: Well, give me a moment (am just having my morning coffee), but I can translate the above factoid into simplified characters quite easily.12:18
babilenikonia: I studied it, but it used to be better. I spent some time in Taiwan which is why I am used to traditional characters and the above factoid met my eye ..12:18
ikoniababilen: would you be able to suggest an update ?12:19
babilensimply thought: wonder how many people from China can read that -- they are not taught the "old" forms unless they study classical Chinese or calligraphy or so12:19
babilenikonia: yeah, I'll put it on my list. (don't want to make a mistake on a whim - I'll come back later if that is ok)12:19
ikoniababilen: that would be very much appreciated12:19
babilenI don't think that you need a special factoid for Taiwan -- It would also be easy to simply use both versions in the same factoid as Chinese is quite terse12:20
ikoniababilen: that's fine, we can just split it in two12:20
babilenI see that you (as opposed to #debian-*) do have an #ubuntu-tw channel - We never had enough people in -zh to make it worthwhile.12:21
babileneither way, I'll finish my coffee and get back to you. just wanted to ask ...12:21
ikoniababilen: your help and input are very much welcome and appreciated12:21
DJonesbabilen: Thanks for the assistance12:22
babilenbtw, what is your policy on changing factoids? in #debian we let everybody change them if they know how to do it and review them every other evening ...12:22
ikoniababilen: basically you submit the change, it gets reviewed and either accepted or rejected12:22
babilenikonia, DJones: yeah, i'm an op in #debian and realise how frequently these factoids come up. It would be a shame if they are not as easily understood as they could be. (in particular because they tend to be invoked by people who don't spek the language in question)12:23
babilenikonia: ok, wonderful12:23
babilenok, merci -- until later12:25
DJonesI can see where babilen is coming from with the difference between traditional chinese and simplified chinese, I'm just trying to image the english language factoids written in "'olde worlde" english with lots of f's etc12:26
ikoniayup12:26
elkyit might explain why none of the chinese speakers listen to it...12:26
ikoniahowever you can only do your best, so if he's got better input....12:26
DJonesYep, its always good when somebody is able to offer a better suggestion12:27
ubottuyeats called the ops in #ubuntu (offender)15:25
k1l_:/15:25
DJonesApt name for offender in question15:27
genii-aroundMan. Cold fingers and no coffee and my typing goes all to hell17:33
k1lfinally mussa went to the arabic channel?21:11
genii-aroundHopefully21:18
knomewhy do i feel like CHIex has been asking the same questions before (in #x)21:20
k1lhe was quite annoying yesterday21:21
knomei was thinking about maybe weeks ago21:21
genii-aroundk1l: Seeing his list of questions over the last 10-15 minutes, I'm finding him quite annoying right now too21:22

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