[12:14] <babilen> Hi all -- Not sure if this is the correct channel, but I couldn't really think of a better one. (I am also not familiar with your policy on changing commonly used factoids)
[12:14] <k1l_> !cn
[12:14] <k1l_> that factoid it is
[12:15] <babilen> Just wanted to note that your cn factoid ^^^ uses traditional characters that were commonly used in China until a script reform half a century ago. They are not necessarily understood by Chinese people, but still in use in Taiwan, Hongkong and other places.
[12:16] <ikonia> maybe we need to split it out for China/Taiwan/HongKong
[12:16] <babilen> It might therefore make sense to change the factoid to what is today called simplified characters that are taught in China.
[12:16] <DJones> babilen: Is there something you'd suggest as an alternative
[12:16] <DJones> ikonia: That sounds a sensible suggestion
[12:17] <babilen> Taiwanese (and other Chinese speaking people) are much more likely to be able to read simplified characters though (as a large part of the Chinese internet originates in China)
[12:17] <ikonia> babilen: I'm assuming your Chineese is quite strong then ?
[12:18] <babilen> DJones: Well, give me a moment (am just having my morning coffee), but I can translate the above factoid into simplified characters quite easily.
[12:18] <babilen> ikonia: I studied it, but it used to be better. I spent some time in Taiwan which is why I am used to traditional characters and the above factoid met my eye ..
[12:19] <ikonia> babilen: would you be able to suggest an update ?
[12:19] <babilen> simply thought: wonder how many people from China can read that -- they are not taught the "old" forms unless they study classical Chinese or calligraphy or so
[12:19] <babilen> ikonia: yeah, I'll put it on my list. (don't want to make a mistake on a whim - I'll come back later if that is ok)
[12:19] <ikonia> babilen: that would be very much appreciated
[12:20] <babilen> I don't think that you need a special factoid for Taiwan -- It would also be easy to simply use both versions in the same factoid as Chinese is quite terse
[12:20] <ikonia> babilen: that's fine, we can just split it in two
[12:21] <babilen> I see that you (as opposed to #debian-*) do have an #ubuntu-tw channel - We never had enough people in -zh to make it worthwhile.
[12:21] <babilen> either way, I'll finish my coffee and get back to you. just wanted to ask ...
[12:21] <ikonia> babilen: your help and input are very much welcome and appreciated
[12:22] <DJones> babilen: Thanks for the assistance
[12:22] <babilen> btw, what is your policy on changing factoids? in #debian we let everybody change them if they know how to do it and review them every other evening ...
[12:22] <ikonia> babilen: basically you submit the change, it gets reviewed and either accepted or rejected
[12:23] <babilen> ikonia, DJones: yeah, i'm an op in #debian and realise how frequently these factoids come up. It would be a shame if they are not as easily understood as they could be. (in particular because they tend to be invoked by people who don't spek the language in question)
[12:23] <babilen> ikonia: ok, wonderful
[12:25] <babilen> ok, merci -- until later
[12:26] <DJones> I can see where babilen is coming from with the difference between traditional chinese and simplified chinese, I'm just trying to image the english language factoids written in "'olde worlde" english with lots of f's etc
[12:26] <ikonia> yup
[12:26] <elky> it might explain why none of the chinese speakers listen to it...
[12:26] <ikonia> however you can only do your best, so if he's got better input....
[12:27] <DJones> Yep, its always good when somebody is able to offer a better suggestion
[15:25] <k1l_> :/
[15:27] <DJones> Apt name for offender in question
[17:33] <genii-around> Man. Cold fingers and no coffee and my typing goes all to hell
[21:11] <k1l> finally mussa went to the arabic channel?
[21:18] <genii-around> Hopefully
[21:20] <knome> why do i feel like CHIex has been asking the same questions before (in #x)
[21:21] <k1l> he was quite annoying yesterday
[21:21] <knome> i was thinking about maybe weeks ago
[21:22] <genii-around> k1l: Seeing his list of questions over the last 10-15 minutes, I'm finding him quite annoying right now too