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MartijnVdSGood morning everyone!08:19
dwatkinshiya MartijnVdS09:03
mungbeanargh its cold out there09:47
mungbeanplanning on staying in for rest of day09:47
redtape-renegadeMorning .. popey that guy you hate actually put Ubuntu on his Nexus .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTmYCswJ0QA09:59
redtape-renegadeMartijnVdS: Hello ..09:59
redtape-renegadeThere is too many people running on the promenade .. they're making me feel fat :(10:09
* MartijnVdS just ran 10km10:09
MartijnVdStraining for next week's 20km run :)10:10
redtape-renegadeCrumbs, how long did that take you ?10:10
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:11
redtape-renegademorning..10:12
redtape-renegadegood being optional ...10:12
MartijnVdSredtape-renegade: a little under an hour10:14
* redtape-renegade got a dictaphone in the mail today .. good for recording farts and putting them as ringtones on his phone ... :D10:14
redtape-renegadeMartijnVdS: I can't get up and dressed in an hour !!10:14
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ10:15
redtape-renegade?10:15
MartijnVdSrecording ringtones like that..10:15
redtape-renegadeI couldn't see 'that' comment .. it's in chinese ?10:15
MartijnVdSoh it's this: http://lookofdisapproval.info/10:16
redtape-renegadeBTW The UK lost it's tripleA rating , financially today ..10:16
redtape-renegadei get it thanx, dad .10:17
redtape-renegadewhen do I get my allowance ??10:21
* redtape-renegade makes coffee ...10:22
* redtape-renegade like the Dutch teams translation logo https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-nl10:27
AlanBellmorning all10:44
AlanBellis "SIMS 3" on steam for linux?10:45
MartijnVdSI don't think so10:53
mungbeanwow redtape-renegade that guys voice on the video is rather....11:00
redtape-renegadeSIMS 3 .. spawn of the devil  .. Surely not AlanBell11:00
redtape-renegademungbean: Joe or Chris ???/11:01
mungbeanthe annoying guy11:01
redtape-renegadethe younger one ?11:01
mungbeanyeah11:01
mungbeani could only handle 30 seconds of him11:01
redtape-renegadehe does a daily vlog .. like everyday .. he's an addict !]11:01
mungbeanvery american11:01
redtape-renegade....  perhaps not for British peope, then.11:02
redtape-renegadehave you been there ?11:02
mungbeanto the US?11:02
redtape-renegademm yeah ?11:02
mungbeanyes. i do my best hugh grant impression when in NY11:02
AlanBellseems like no sims 3 on steam11:02
mungbeanno sims 3 on linux full stop11:02
redtape-renegademungbean: How much did she cost ?11:02
mungbeannot that type :P11:03
redtape-renegadehehe .. :)11:03
mungbeani haven't been back since they started collecting fingerprints11:03
mungbeanamerica is an offence to my freedoms11:03
redtape-renegadeaaahh .. a privateer.11:03
mungbeannot so much, but the US treatment offends me11:03
redtape-renegade.. just go through Canada :)11:04
mungbeanor stay in canada11:04
redtape-renegadethe border is [pretty slackware.11:04
redtape-renegade**slack.11:04
* redtape-renegade cleans his specks ...11:04
redtape-renegadeAnybody want to hangout here ??11:05
redtape-renegadeAnybody want to hangout here ??11:06
redtape-renegadeAnybody want to hangout here ???11:07
* redtape-renegade makes crumpets ...11:09
* redtape-renegade scans the horizon for mischievous birds .. seems a bit too quiet ..11:13
* mungbean goes back to bed11:14
SuperEngineerAlanBell: message for you on -steam ;)11:15
* AlanBell is on -steam ;)11:15
redtape-renegadeAnybody want to hangout here ????11:22
ikoniadirecthex: ping11:25
redtape-renegadeIf I have to hear Skyfall theme-tune one more time , I thnk *I'm* going to crumble !!11:41
MartijnVdSredtape-renegade: it's sung by a Dell, I heard...12:01
directhexikonia, yo yo yo sup12:34
ikoniadirecthex: not too much, I may have it sorted in my head now, may nudge later after testing12:38
redtape-renegadeAnybody want to hangout here ?????12:56
mungbeanif you upload copyrighted content to youtube, do u share in ad revenue, or you get zero?13:05
redtape-renegadeprob. not .. i never got paid by youtu.be     ever.13:09
mungbeani think they only pay you when your income exceeds a certain amount e.g. £5913:10
mungbean£5013:10
redtape-renegadei'm not expecting a cent...13:11
redtape-renegadewhat do you subscribe to ??13:11
mungbeandid you turn on monetization?13:12
redtape-renegadeno13:12
redtape-renegadewhat do you subscribe to ??13:13
mungbeani don't really subscribe to anything13:13
directhexmungbean, you get zero.13:14
redtape-renegadewell, i get videos the hour they are released .. thats how i use the internet .. the world come to me .. not the other way around.13:14
mungbeanthanks directhex13:14
mungbeanredtape-renegade: new != best13:15
redtape-renegadeotherwise your just a random viewer .. it's a community you know !13:15
mungbeanno its not13:15
redtape-renegadeit is to me.13:15
mungbeanits a video streaming site where hordes of kids put retarded comments on videos13:15
redtape-renegadei talk to jordan keyes directly.13:16
mungbeanwho is he13:16
redtape-renegadeexactly, you dont know !13:16
mungbeanand my life is no worse13:16
redtape-renegadehttp://www.youtube.com/user/twildottv13:17
redtape-renegadehow the heck do you know that ?13:17
redtape-renegadeno bettr anyway ..13:17
redtape-renegademungbean: What communities *are* you an active member of ?13:21
redtape-renegademungbean: You are watching the video aren't you ??13:23
mungbeanhuh?13:31
mungbeanwhic video?13:31
mfraz74Went to the RISC OS south west show this morning and bought a real time clock for my Pi14:41
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dwatkinsmfraz74: neat, I'm planning on making a radio receiver for my Arduino to get the time from the MSF signal.14:47
A5c11Char5etHi, quick question if I may guys..15:09
A5c11Char5etI'm doing some web development15:09
penguin42ask !15:09
A5c11Char5etShould I be using XHTML or HTML5 nowadays ?15:10
A5c11Char5etI heard HTML5 compatibility isn't great still15:10
dwatkinsWho is your audience, A5c11Char5et?15:27
A5c11Char5etTechnical blogs, forum15:27
A5c11Char5etStuff like that15:27
dwatkinsI suspect most people will have html5-compatible browsers, not sure. If you write your HTML with that in mind, it should be possible to keep everyone happy, I imagine.15:29
dwatkins(within reason, you probably don't need to worry too much about formatting for Netscape 2.0)15:29
dwatkinshtml dog has some good tutorials: http://www.htmldog.com/guides/15:30
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penguin42anyone ever bought a pogoplug/goflex net15:32
A5c11Char5etdwatkins, this site looks awesome. Thanks :)15:35
dwatkinsA5c11Char5et: welcome :)15:35
dwatkinspenguin42: not me, just a Raspberry Pi and a Synology NAS15:35
penguin42dwatkins: I got this one open-box in Curry's bargain bin (#19) but they have a registration scheme/setup system and the problem is it's already been registered15:37
penguin42ah, there's a note in the support pages about how to do that15:37
dwatkinsah good, penguin42 - would have been a bit mean of them not to allow 2nd hand re-registering15:38
penguin42nod15:38
penguin42dwatkins: You're supposed to be able to install other Linux's on them - the trick though is you need to register and tick a box that enables ssh access15:39
dwatkinssounds potentially dangerous, but if it's reasonably automated that's ok - does it have a serial/bluetooth external connection, penguin42?15:40
penguin42dwatkins: No, it's got USB, ether, and two SATA15:41
penguin42ooh, interesting - it seems to have it's ssh port open....15:41
dwatkinsperhaps the tick box is just to allow you to reset the password15:41
penguin42dwatkins: Yeh maybe15:42
* penguin42 sends them a reset mail15:48
penguin42dwatkins: I suspect there's a serial port inside somewhere15:50
dwatkinsyeah, my linksys router has one, although I'd need to do some voltage conversion stuff to use it with an RS23215:55
MartijnVdSWhat are you hacking? :)15:57
penguin42MartijnVdS: Seagate GoFlex Net15:57
* MartijnVdS opened up a TP-Link WA850RE15:58
MartijnVdSas in.. opened up and broke the case :|15:58
MartijnVdSnow I have a PCB that has 230V in.. and wifi out15:58
MartijnVdSI'm considering attaching a (new) lead, measuring the voltage of the DC it generates, then applying *that* to the DC part of the board15:59
MartijnVdSit's still dangerousish15:59
dwatkinsmight be worth getting a project box to house it in, too ;)16:00
MartijnVdSdwatkins: yes, I have those :)16:00
dwatkinsah good16:00
MartijnVdSit has 10V caps, so the DC part must be <10V ;)16:00
MartijnVdSbut I don't know if it's 5 or 3.316:00
dwatkinswhat does ethernet use?16:01
MartijnVdSdwatkins: -1V, -0.5V, +0.5V, +1V (-2.5V, +2.5V for 10mbit)16:02
dwatkinsoh wow ok16:03
MartijnVdSbut the ethernet port has its own "chip"/"box"16:03
penguin42wow, they've sorted it - all done16:03
penguin42it's odd having a system where you set your ssh password to it on an external website!16:05
penguin42not bad for under #20 :-)16:06
* MartijnVdS shakes his fist in the general direction of Canon16:07
isleofmandanHello. Can anyone cofirm that 12.04 and Samba is broken? Trying to build my first ever Ubuntu Server, and samba crashes all the time. Bug 1016895 implies it's not my fault!16:26
lubotu3bug 1016895 in samba (Ubuntu Precise) "smbd crashed with SIGABRT in dump_core()/setgroups being passed a -1 group is causing crashes." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101689516:26
* penguin42 looks16:31
penguin42isleofmandan: Are you using a 12.04.2 install media?16:32
isleofmandanI think so. I downloaded from ubuntu.com on Thursday night16:33
isleofmandanI also did apt-get update/upgrade16:33
penguin42isleofmandan: OK, so yes it looks like it's a known broken, but only in the new version that was released a couple of weeks ago; if you get a 12.04.1 install image it should work I think16:33
isleofmandanOK. I'm building a NAS for home use. Do you think it's worth trying 12.10, or should I stick to the LTS?16:34
penguin42isleofmandan: I think if you just want it to sit there and store data for you LTS is probably a better bet16:35
isleofmandanYes. Except today! I've spent 6 hours fiddling with smb.conf before finally realising i was doing nothing wrong!16:36
penguin42isleofmandan: Haha yes, sorry about that16:36
isleofmandanStill, I learned a lot about log files, and the tail command.16:36
isleofmandan:)16:36
penguin42I'd get a 12.04.1 image and try that16:36
isleofmandanWill an apt-get update/upgrade break that though?16:37
penguin42isleofmandan: Probably not (!)16:38
penguin42isleofmandan: My understanding is thatthe 12.04.1 gets a separate kernel update stream from 12.04.2 (that shares it with quantal) and that bug seems to say it's kernel dependent16:38
isleofmandanOK. Another question then... I have 3 hard drives. One for Ubuntu OS, the other two are configured in software Raid 1. It's taken *hours* to sync the two raid drives. If I wipe the single drive with the Ubuntu OS (not in the raid array) will I have to wait and re-sync again, or is the software raid info saved on the raid drives?   hope that makes sense(!)16:40
penguin42the RAID state is stored on the RAID16:41
penguin42how big are the drives?16:41
isleofmandan2TB (each)16:41
isleofmandan250 GB for the OS one16:41
penguin42right, so lets say they manage 100MB/s then to read the whole driver flat out would take 2000seconds if everything flew at full speed16:41
dwatkinsjust over half an hour16:43
penguin42nod, and 100MB/s is what a 7200RPM drive gets on a good day16:43
isleofmandanI think mdstat was reporting about 30MB/s at the time it was syncing16:44
dwatkinsyeah, I assume the drives are internal, isleofmandan16:44
isleofmandanYes, I've bought an HP Proliant microserver to replace a shop-bought NAS that is now full.  (300 GB seemed huge when I bough that. My desktop at that time had a 2.1 GB drive in it!)16:45
isleofmandanThought I'd have a go at using Ubuntu to build my own server16:45
isleofmandanbut this Samba bug has had me frustrated all day!16:46
isleofmandanTrying to work out what I was doing wrong...16:46
isleofmandan:)16:46
isleofmandanWhere can I find 12.04.1 for download, it's not listed at releases.ubuntu.com16:48
penguin42hmm that's a good question16:49
isleofmandanIt's almost like *someone* doesn't want my server project to be a success!16:49
penguin42http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/16:49
isleofmandanah. thanks16:50
isleofmandan.iso downloaded  :)   Off to play with it....  Thanks for all your help.17:06
penguin42good luck17:07
celestehDo any of you have any experience with live streaming to ustream or any other similar service with ubuntu 12.04?17:39
SuperEngineerhelp - sister's firm offered her a choice between Kindle Fire & Nexus... I told her to request Nexus but asked what model17:42
AlanBellSuperEngineer: what is it for?17:43
SuperEngineer..mail recieved stated her boss had aalready ordered the Nexus [all that was a week ago]17:43
SuperEngineerAlanBell: boss' rationale was "so that see could read/do emails when out of office"17:44
SuperEngineer...she is now swearing blind that the machine is labeled Asus17:46
AlanBellSuperEngineer: nexus 7 is asus17:46
SuperEngineerquote: The back reads - in big letters - nexus and in smaller letters at the botton - ASUS17:46
SuperEngineerAlanBell: that solves that one then17:47
AlanBellthis one says Asus at the bottom on the back too17:47
SuperEngineer..no experience of it.. is it the same / similar/ totally different to the Samsung Galaxy / Nexus17:48
AlanBellit is a 7 inch android tablet17:48
SuperEngineerhttp://support.google.com/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2667663&topic=2841129&ctx=topic17:50
SuperEngineerAlanBell: yep - all confirmed... she's got herself both a winner and a generous boss [but apparently won't consider a "purely for supportiung your employee use" one for me :(17:57
bigcalmGood afternoon chaps17:58
SuperEngineerAlanBell: [& thanks]17:58
ali1234hmm18:07
ali1234AlanBell: did you get ubuntu touch on SGS2 yet?18:08
AlanBellno, not had much tinkering time18:08
AlanBellneed to back it up first18:08
AlanBelland I needed to find it and charge it up first18:08
MsCourtneyDoes anyone know how long it takes for a traffic citation to come in the mail?18:24
bigcalmo.O18:26
bigcalmBit off topic for us to know the answer to that18:27
MsCourtneybigcalm: True, but I just asked in case someone knows as I badly need information on this18:29
SuperEngineerMsCourtney: a Ubuntu one can take 6 weeks to 3months [& still be current]... see how bought that back on-topic ;)18:30
MsCourtneySuperEngineer: This channel isn't always strictly on topic anyways18:31
SuperEngineerMsCourtney: did someone say "strictly" ooo - Matron!  [in an Ubuntu fashion of course] ;)18:37
shaunoI actually have no idea.  but I have to ask, between using 'citation' (a very american term), and an afriNIC IP .. are you sure -uk are going to have the answer you're looking for ?18:40
SuperEngineer...but the answer previous is still relevant - just because it hasn't arrived, don't think you got awaty with the offence18:40
SuperEngineer*away18:40
SuperEngineerin fact -bringing it strictly on topic - the digital camereas/traps can send immediately and I bet they are linux powered systems18:41
MsCourtneyshauno: I'm in the UK in Surrey, ignore the IP18:42
SuperEngineer...the image based traps can arrive - as said - anytime between 6 weeks and 3 months18:42
shaunofair enough, just tweaked at the word citation :)18:43
MsCourtneyI was told that they would consider the accident report and I might get a citation for "Driving without due care and attention" if they find it necessary. So there is a possibility of not getting one. shauno I have American relatives.18:44
SuperEngineershauno: [was beginning to wonder about that...]18:45
AlanBellhi girlygirl18:45
AlanBellanother accident?18:45
MsCourtneyAlanBell: ??18:45
AlanBellmaritius must be terrible18:47
AlanBellroads in *18:47
MsCourtneyAgain, ignore the IP.18:48
AlanBellanyone got ubuntu touch installed yet?18:50
shaunoI was only curious because we do tend to get wanderers from further afield.  I wonder if they get defaulted to -uk if they choose British English as a locale18:51
MsCourtneyUbuntu phone, or ubuntu desktop with a touchscreen?18:51
* SuperEngineer getting annoyed by RhythmBox notification area "play" arrow simply opening rythmbox... I can do that myself, you know!18:51
redtape-renegadeWowI was having a really bad day until I got the news that Rebecca was only 3 miles away .. :D   :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Rebecca.png19:10
AlanBellyou have been profiled19:11
shauno... as 'mature' ;)19:12
redtape-renegadeI was on Funny or Die website ...19:13
ali1234AlanBell: do you not use adblock+?19:13
AlanBellno19:14
ali1234lol, no wonder19:14
redtape-renegadehttp://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ed36fa1ab6/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-steve-carell?rel=player&playlist=13516119:15
redtape-renegadeI should but you know .. like I care ?19:15
* SuperEngineer blesses & hugs builders AdBlock & NoScript19:20
* SuperEngineer might even be pass some wonga their way now & again19:22
SuperEngineer*passing19:24
SuperEngineer..why is that my brain works faster than my keyboard -doh!19:25
redtape-renegadebecause you dont have one of these .. http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=83719:29
* penguin42 hits redtape-renegade with his Model M19:31
SuperEngineerredtape-renegade: nope - just looked - brain still too fsast19:34
SuperEngineer;)19:34
dwatkinsI suspect a folding keyboard wouldn't be the best typing experience, especially for me after using my archimedes-coloured Model M ;) http://imgur.com/u2RqAAe19:46
penguin42dwatkins: haha, nice19:47
SuperEngineerDr Who time boys & girls19:50
redtape-renegadeScrew the doctor .. it's always the same tat on TV.19:53
dwatkinsSuperEngineer: on BBC1?19:55
MartijnVdS319:56
MartijnVdSit's a rerun19:56
MartijnVdSNew episodes from March 30 I think19:56
dwatkinsah right, had me confused that the Radio Times website was lying to me, or showing me a different region ;)19:56
dwatkinsit's back in April, iirc.19:57
dwatkinsooh, no - next Saturday :D19:57
MartijnVdSdwatkins: _next_ Saturday!?19:57
MartijnVdSdwatkins: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Date-Confirmed-for-the-Doctors-Return19:57
MartijnVdSdwatkins: that lists it as march _30_ not march _3_19:57
dwatkinsoh sorry19:58
dwatkinsI was all hopeful there, but got confused as to what month it is19:58
dwatkinssily February and its number of days being a multiple of seven.19:58
dwatkins*silly19:58
MartijnVdSexcept sometmes19:58
dwatkinsindeed, I'm glad my birthday isn't on the 29th of February, I'd only be about eight years old.20:06
redtape-renegadeOK Ok .. what is a sonic screwdriver ... Pleeeease ??20:06
MartijnVdSredtape-renegade: it's like a screwdriver. but sonic.20:06
redtape-renegadeapparently its a probe !20:08
MartijnVdShttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicTool :)20:08
redtape-renegadeopening..20:09
MartijnVdS... and now he's trapped for life in tvtropes :)20:10
MartijnVdSAt least it's not SCP - http://www.scp-wiki.net/20:10
ali1234i found that website randomly before it got famous20:11
ali1234i was like o_O20:11
MartijnVdSali1234: tvtropes or scp?20:11
ali1234scp20:11
ali1234probably from tvtropes20:11
dwatkinsI think I'll need a packed lunch if I'm going to go exploring on SCP.20:11
dwatkinsTV Tropes is bad enough as a time-sink ;)20:12
MartijnVdSdwatkins: nah, it'll only come out the wrong end ;)20:12
dwatkinslol20:12
redtape-renegadeCome on Ammie  .. get it together !20:12
SuperEngineersorry dwatkins ... was watching telly... it's BBC320:12
redtape-renegadehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/bbc_three/watchlive20:12
dwatkinscheers SuperEngineer :) good episode, too20:16
dwatkinsthey seem to like making people wait.20:16
redtape-renegadenever seen an episode in my life !!20:17
redtape-renegadecome Aimee do it !20:18
redtape-renegadei wish she blow something else !20:18
MartijnVdS!coc20:19
lubotu3The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct  | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv20:19
redtape-renegadesorry.20:19
redtape-renegadeAime kicks butt !!!20:26
MartijnVdSamy*20:26
SuperEngineerluboto says... this is a Kindness - don't be alarmed20:29
redtape-renegadeAwwwv !!20:30
redtape-renegade.. I dont like the shakey camera ,.. abit wonky ..20:32
redtape-renegademmm the music has changed a lot ...20:33
* SuperEngineer wants "don't be alarmed, this is a Kindness" added to luboto3's vocabulary... so many uses!20:34
dwatkinsSuperEngineer: is it followed by the user being dropped form the channel? ;)20:34
SuperEngineer;)20:34
jacobwevening20:34
SuperEngineerdwatkins: one would assume so ;)20:35
dwatkinshiya jacobw20:35
redtape-renegademm.. good show .. bit long for the message thou ...20:35
dwatkins"Don't press the wrong button on a lift" ?20:38
SuperEngineerdwatkins: "this is a Kindness - don't be be alrmed: you're ignored/kicked/banned"...oh yes! gotta be worth submitting20:40
SuperEngineer..& who put the exctra "be" in there!20:41
SuperEngineerGot to go now -20:52
SuperEngineerearly start tomorrow [travelling to Kentshire to see daughter :) and then on to hotel dor course Monday :(20:52
SuperEngineer...but back home in time Ubuntu-UK podcast Wednesday ;)20:53
* SuperEngineer wishes the podders all the best for 1st show of new season.20:55
popeyEvening all.20:58
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* zleap dittos the good luck message :)21:03
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bigcalmMorning popey22:05
danfishpopey: I am now in a post Viglen age - it has died - a period of official mourning will follow22:06
popey22:09
danfishpopey: the ubuntu tablet/mobile stuff is spot on. My local NHS IT bods are very impressed. The SDK is on the intranet.22:14
AzelphurGeek 2013 = Epic. https://www.dropbox.com/s/qw5rx3ieygayxa7/2013-02-23%2011.28.41.jpg?m :D22:14
popeygolly22:14
danfishthe 'powers-that-be' were planning to equip the community services with iPads, but after sg22:20
danfishoops22:20
danfishbut after projecting our benign spaceman's presentation, that's on hold (though not quotable!)22:22
danfishour desktop architecture is now OS agnostic22:23
danfishthough we do need a number of terminal service licences22:27
brobostigonare there any terminal picture viewers around, that work over an ssh connection, inside gnome-terminal. ?22:28
shaunomost likely you'd want to forward X so you can use something like xv on the remote machine, but using your local display22:29
ali1234ssh -X host22:30
popeybrobostigon: http://pc-freak.net/blog/viewing-jpeggif-and-png-in-ascii-with-cacaview-on-gnu-linux-short-review-on-caca-utils-text-mode-graphics-utilities/22:30
ali1234eog image.png22:30
danfishbrobostigon: have a look at gateone https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne22:31
brobostigonthank you popey and danfish22:31
danfishho hum, pig's bum, time for bed22:39
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