[02:00] !info nano [02:01] nano (source: nano): small, friendly text editor inspired by Pico. In component main, is standard. Version 2.2.6-1ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 182 kB, installed size 600 kB === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [08:19] Good morning everyone! [09:03] hiya MartijnVdS [09:47] argh its cold out there [09:47] planning on staying in for rest of day [09:59] Morning .. popey that guy you hate actually put Ubuntu on his Nexus .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTmYCswJ0QA [09:59] MartijnVdS: Hello .. [10:09] There is too many people running on the promenade .. they're making me feel fat :( [10:09] * MartijnVdS just ran 10km [10:10] training for next week's 20km run :) [10:10] Crumbs, how long did that take you ? [10:11] good morning everyone, [10:12] morning.. [10:12] good being optional ... [10:14] redtape-renegade: a little under an hour [10:14] * redtape-renegade got a dictaphone in the mail today .. good for recording farts and putting them as ringtones on his phone ... :D [10:14] MartijnVdS: I can't get up and dressed in an hour !! [10:15] ಠ_ಠ [10:15] ? [10:15] recording ringtones like that.. [10:15] I couldn't see 'that' comment .. it's in chinese ? [10:16] oh it's this: http://lookofdisapproval.info/ [10:16] BTW The UK lost it's tripleA rating , financially today .. [10:17] i get it thanx, dad . [10:21] when do I get my allowance ?? [10:22] * redtape-renegade makes coffee ... [10:27] * redtape-renegade like the Dutch teams translation logo https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-nl [10:44] morning all [10:45] is "SIMS 3" on steam for linux? [10:53] I don't think so [11:00] wow redtape-renegade that guys voice on the video is rather.... [11:00] SIMS 3 .. spawn of the devil .. Surely not AlanBell [11:01] mungbean: Joe or Chris ???/ [11:01] the annoying guy [11:01] the younger one ? [11:01] yeah [11:01] i could only handle 30 seconds of him [11:01] he does a daily vlog .. like everyday .. he's an addict !] [11:01] very american [11:02] .... perhaps not for British peope, then. [11:02] have you been there ? [11:02] to the US? [11:02] mm yeah ? [11:02] yes. i do my best hugh grant impression when in NY [11:02] seems like no sims 3 on steam [11:02] no sims 3 on linux full stop [11:02] mungbean: How much did she cost ? [11:03] not that type :P [11:03] hehe .. :) [11:03] i haven't been back since they started collecting fingerprints [11:03] america is an offence to my freedoms [11:03] aaahh .. a privateer. [11:03] not so much, but the US treatment offends me [11:04] .. just go through Canada :) [11:04] or stay in canada [11:04] the border is [pretty slackware. [11:04] **slack. [11:04] * redtape-renegade cleans his specks ... [11:05] Anybody want to hangout here ?? [11:06] Anybody want to hangout here ?? [11:07] Anybody want to hangout here ??? [11:09] * redtape-renegade makes crumpets ... [11:13] * redtape-renegade scans the horizon for mischievous birds .. seems a bit too quiet .. [11:14] * mungbean goes back to bed [11:15] AlanBell: message for you on -steam ;) [11:15] * AlanBell is on -steam ;) [11:22] Anybody want to hangout here ???? [11:25] directhex: ping [11:41] If I have to hear Skyfall theme-tune one more time , I thnk *I'm* going to crumble !! [12:01] redtape-renegade: it's sung by a Dell, I heard... [12:34] ikonia, yo yo yo sup [12:38] directhex: not too much, I may have it sorted in my head now, may nudge later after testing [12:56] Anybody want to hangout here ????? [13:05] if you upload copyrighted content to youtube, do u share in ad revenue, or you get zero? [13:09] prob. not .. i never got paid by youtu.be ever. [13:10] i think they only pay you when your income exceeds a certain amount e.g. £59 [13:10] £50 [13:11] i'm not expecting a cent... [13:11] what do you subscribe to ?? [13:12] did you turn on monetization? [13:12] no [13:13] what do you subscribe to ?? [13:13] i don't really subscribe to anything [13:14] mungbean, you get zero. [13:14] well, i get videos the hour they are released .. thats how i use the internet .. the world come to me .. not the other way around. [13:14] thanks directhex [13:15] redtape-renegade: new != best [13:15] otherwise your just a random viewer .. it's a community you know ! [13:15] no its not [13:15] it is to me. [13:15] its a video streaming site where hordes of kids put retarded comments on videos [13:16] i talk to jordan keyes directly. [13:16] who is he [13:16] exactly, you dont know ! [13:16] and my life is no worse [13:17] http://www.youtube.com/user/twildottv [13:17] how the heck do you know that ? [13:17] no bettr anyway .. [13:21] mungbean: What communities *are* you an active member of ? [13:23] mungbean: You are watching the video aren't you ?? [13:31] huh? [13:31] whic video? [14:41] Went to the RISC OS south west show this morning and bought a real time clock for my Pi === RaycisCharles is now known as GentileBen [14:47] mfraz74: neat, I'm planning on making a radio receiver for my Arduino to get the time from the MSF signal. [15:09] Hi, quick question if I may guys.. [15:09] I'm doing some web development [15:09] ask ! [15:10] Should I be using XHTML or HTML5 nowadays ? [15:10] I heard HTML5 compatibility isn't great still [15:27] Who is your audience, A5c11Char5et? [15:27] Technical blogs, forum [15:27] Stuff like that [15:29] I suspect most people will have html5-compatible browsers, not sure. If you write your HTML with that in mind, it should be possible to keep everyone happy, I imagine. [15:29] (within reason, you probably don't need to worry too much about formatting for Netscape 2.0) [15:30] html dog has some good tutorials: http://www.htmldog.com/guides/ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:32] anyone ever bought a pogoplug/goflex net [15:35] dwatkins, this site looks awesome. Thanks :) [15:35] A5c11Char5et: welcome :) [15:35] penguin42: not me, just a Raspberry Pi and a Synology NAS [15:37] dwatkins: I got this one open-box in Curry's bargain bin (#19) but they have a registration scheme/setup system and the problem is it's already been registered [15:37] ah, there's a note in the support pages about how to do that [15:38] ah good, penguin42 - would have been a bit mean of them not to allow 2nd hand re-registering [15:38] nod [15:39] dwatkins: You're supposed to be able to install other Linux's on them - the trick though is you need to register and tick a box that enables ssh access [15:40] sounds potentially dangerous, but if it's reasonably automated that's ok - does it have a serial/bluetooth external connection, penguin42? [15:41] dwatkins: No, it's got USB, ether, and two SATA [15:41] ooh, interesting - it seems to have it's ssh port open.... [15:41] perhaps the tick box is just to allow you to reset the password [15:42] dwatkins: Yeh maybe [15:48] * penguin42 sends them a reset mail [15:50] dwatkins: I suspect there's a serial port inside somewhere [15:55] yeah, my linksys router has one, although I'd need to do some voltage conversion stuff to use it with an RS232 [15:57] What are you hacking? :) [15:57] MartijnVdS: Seagate GoFlex Net [15:58] * MartijnVdS opened up a TP-Link WA850RE [15:58] as in.. opened up and broke the case :| [15:58] now I have a PCB that has 230V in.. and wifi out [15:59] I'm considering attaching a (new) lead, measuring the voltage of the DC it generates, then applying *that* to the DC part of the board [15:59] it's still dangerousish [16:00] might be worth getting a project box to house it in, too ;) [16:00] dwatkins: yes, I have those :) [16:00] ah good [16:00] it has 10V caps, so the DC part must be <10V ;) [16:00] but I don't know if it's 5 or 3.3 [16:01] what does ethernet use? [16:02] dwatkins: -1V, -0.5V, +0.5V, +1V (-2.5V, +2.5V for 10mbit) [16:03] oh wow ok [16:03] but the ethernet port has its own "chip"/"box" [16:03] wow, they've sorted it - all done [16:05] it's odd having a system where you set your ssh password to it on an external website! [16:06] not bad for under #20 :-) [16:07] * MartijnVdS shakes his fist in the general direction of Canon [16:26] Hello. Can anyone cofirm that 12.04 and Samba is broken? Trying to build my first ever Ubuntu Server, and samba crashes all the time. Bug 1016895 implies it's not my fault! [16:26] bug 1016895 in samba (Ubuntu Precise) "smbd crashed with SIGABRT in dump_core()/setgroups being passed a -1 group is causing crashes." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016895 [16:31] * penguin42 looks [16:32] isleofmandan: Are you using a 12.04.2 install media? [16:33] I think so. I downloaded from ubuntu.com on Thursday night [16:33] I also did apt-get update/upgrade [16:33] isleofmandan: OK, so yes it looks like it's a known broken, but only in the new version that was released a couple of weeks ago; if you get a 12.04.1 install image it should work I think [16:34] OK. I'm building a NAS for home use. Do you think it's worth trying 12.10, or should I stick to the LTS? [16:35] isleofmandan: I think if you just want it to sit there and store data for you LTS is probably a better bet [16:36] Yes. Except today! I've spent 6 hours fiddling with smb.conf before finally realising i was doing nothing wrong! [16:36] isleofmandan: Haha yes, sorry about that [16:36] Still, I learned a lot about log files, and the tail command. [16:36] :) [16:36] I'd get a 12.04.1 image and try that [16:37] Will an apt-get update/upgrade break that though? [16:38] isleofmandan: Probably not (!) [16:38] isleofmandan: My understanding is thatthe 12.04.1 gets a separate kernel update stream from 12.04.2 (that shares it with quantal) and that bug seems to say it's kernel dependent [16:40] OK. Another question then... I have 3 hard drives. One for Ubuntu OS, the other two are configured in software Raid 1. It's taken *hours* to sync the two raid drives. If I wipe the single drive with the Ubuntu OS (not in the raid array) will I have to wait and re-sync again, or is the software raid info saved on the raid drives? hope that makes sense(!) [16:41] the RAID state is stored on the RAID [16:41] how big are the drives? [16:41] 2TB (each) [16:41] 250 GB for the OS one [16:41] right, so lets say they manage 100MB/s then to read the whole driver flat out would take 2000seconds if everything flew at full speed [16:43] just over half an hour [16:43] nod, and 100MB/s is what a 7200RPM drive gets on a good day [16:44] I think mdstat was reporting about 30MB/s at the time it was syncing [16:44] yeah, I assume the drives are internal, isleofmandan [16:45] Yes, I've bought an HP Proliant microserver to replace a shop-bought NAS that is now full. (300 GB seemed huge when I bough that. My desktop at that time had a 2.1 GB drive in it!) [16:45] Thought I'd have a go at using Ubuntu to build my own server [16:46] but this Samba bug has had me frustrated all day! [16:46] Trying to work out what I was doing wrong... [16:46] :) [16:48] Where can I find 12.04.1 for download, it's not listed at releases.ubuntu.com [16:49] hmm that's a good question [16:49] It's almost like *someone* doesn't want my server project to be a success! [16:49] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/ [16:50] ah. thanks [17:06] .iso downloaded :) Off to play with it.... Thanks for all your help. [17:07] good luck [17:39] Do any of you have any experience with live streaming to ustream or any other similar service with ubuntu 12.04? [17:42] help - sister's firm offered her a choice between Kindle Fire & Nexus... I told her to request Nexus but asked what model [17:43] SuperEngineer: what is it for? [17:43] ..mail recieved stated her boss had aalready ordered the Nexus [all that was a week ago] [17:44] AlanBell: boss' rationale was "so that see could read/do emails when out of office" [17:46] ...she is now swearing blind that the machine is labeled Asus [17:46] SuperEngineer: nexus 7 is asus [17:46] quote: The back reads - in big letters - nexus and in smaller letters at the botton - ASUS [17:47] AlanBell: that solves that one then [17:47] this one says Asus at the bottom on the back too [17:48] ..no experience of it.. is it the same / similar/ totally different to the Samsung Galaxy / Nexus [17:48] it is a 7 inch android tablet [17:50] http://support.google.com/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2667663&topic=2841129&ctx=topic [17:57] AlanBell: yep - all confirmed... she's got herself both a winner and a generous boss [but apparently won't consider a "purely for supportiung your employee use" one for me :( [17:58] Good afternoon chaps [17:58] AlanBell: [& thanks] [18:07] hmm [18:08] AlanBell: did you get ubuntu touch on SGS2 yet? [18:08] no, not had much tinkering time [18:08] need to back it up first [18:08] and I needed to find it and charge it up first [18:24] Does anyone know how long it takes for a traffic citation to come in the mail? [18:26] o.O [18:27] Bit off topic for us to know the answer to that [18:29] bigcalm: True, but I just asked in case someone knows as I badly need information on this [18:30] MsCourtney: a Ubuntu one can take 6 weeks to 3months [& still be current]... see how bought that back on-topic ;) [18:31] SuperEngineer: This channel isn't always strictly on topic anyways [18:37] MsCourtney: did someone say "strictly" ooo - Matron! [in an Ubuntu fashion of course] ;) [18:40] I actually have no idea. but I have to ask, between using 'citation' (a very american term), and an afriNIC IP .. are you sure -uk are going to have the answer you're looking for ? [18:40] ...but the answer previous is still relevant - just because it hasn't arrived, don't think you got awaty with the offence [18:40] *away [18:41] in fact -bringing it strictly on topic - the digital camereas/traps can send immediately and I bet they are linux powered systems [18:42] shauno: I'm in the UK in Surrey, ignore the IP [18:42] ...the image based traps can arrive - as said - anytime between 6 weeks and 3 months [18:43] fair enough, just tweaked at the word citation :) [18:44] I was told that they would consider the accident report and I might get a citation for "Driving without due care and attention" if they find it necessary. So there is a possibility of not getting one. shauno I have American relatives. [18:45] shauno: [was beginning to wonder about that...] [18:45] hi girlygirl [18:45] another accident? [18:45] AlanBell: ?? [18:47] maritius must be terrible [18:47] roads in * [18:48] Again, ignore the IP. [18:50] anyone got ubuntu touch installed yet? [18:51] I was only curious because we do tend to get wanderers from further afield. I wonder if they get defaulted to -uk if they choose British English as a locale [18:51] Ubuntu phone, or ubuntu desktop with a touchscreen? [18:51] * SuperEngineer getting annoyed by RhythmBox notification area "play" arrow simply opening rythmbox... I can do that myself, you know! [19:10] WowI was having a really bad day until I got the news that Rebecca was only 3 miles away .. :D :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Rebecca.png [19:11] you have been profiled [19:12] ... as 'mature' ;) [19:13] I was on Funny or Die website ... [19:13] AlanBell: do you not use adblock+? [19:14] no [19:14] lol, no wonder [19:15] http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ed36fa1ab6/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-steve-carell?rel=player&playlist=135161 [19:15] I should but you know .. like I care ? [19:20] * SuperEngineer blesses & hugs builders AdBlock & NoScript [19:22] * SuperEngineer might even be pass some wonga their way now & again [19:24] *passing [19:25] ..why is that my brain works faster than my keyboard -doh! [19:29] because you dont have one of these .. http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=837 [19:31] * penguin42 hits redtape-renegade with his Model M [19:34] redtape-renegade: nope - just looked - brain still too fsast [19:34] ;) [19:46] I suspect a folding keyboard wouldn't be the best typing experience, especially for me after using my archimedes-coloured Model M ;) http://imgur.com/u2RqAAe [19:47] dwatkins: haha, nice [19:50] Dr Who time boys & girls [19:53] Screw the doctor .. it's always the same tat on TV. [19:55] SuperEngineer: on BBC1? [19:56] 3 [19:56] it's a rerun [19:56] New episodes from March 30 I think [19:56] ah right, had me confused that the Radio Times website was lying to me, or showing me a different region ;) [19:57] it's back in April, iirc. [19:57] ooh, no - next Saturday :D [19:57] dwatkins: _next_ Saturday!? [19:57] dwatkins: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Date-Confirmed-for-the-Doctors-Return [19:57] dwatkins: that lists it as march _30_ not march _3_ [19:58] oh sorry [19:58] I was all hopeful there, but got confused as to what month it is [19:58] sily February and its number of days being a multiple of seven. [19:58] *silly [19:58] except sometmes [20:06] indeed, I'm glad my birthday isn't on the 29th of February, I'd only be about eight years old. [20:06] OK Ok .. what is a sonic screwdriver ... Pleeeease ?? [20:06] redtape-renegade: it's like a screwdriver. but sonic. [20:08] apparently its a probe ! [20:08] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicTool :) [20:09] opening.. [20:10] ... and now he's trapped for life in tvtropes :) [20:10] At least it's not SCP - http://www.scp-wiki.net/ [20:11] i found that website randomly before it got famous [20:11] i was like o_O [20:11] ali1234: tvtropes or scp? [20:11] scp [20:11] probably from tvtropes [20:11] I think I'll need a packed lunch if I'm going to go exploring on SCP. [20:12] TV Tropes is bad enough as a time-sink ;) [20:12] dwatkins: nah, it'll only come out the wrong end ;) [20:12] lol [20:12] Come on Ammie .. get it together ! [20:12] sorry dwatkins ... was watching telly... it's BBC3 [20:12] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/bbc_three/watchlive [20:16] cheers SuperEngineer :) good episode, too [20:16] they seem to like making people wait. [20:17] never seen an episode in my life !! [20:18] come Aimee do it ! [20:18] i wish she blow something else ! [20:19] !coc [20:19] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv [20:19] sorry. [20:26] Aime kicks butt !!! [20:26] amy* [20:29] luboto says... this is a Kindness - don't be alarmed [20:30] Awwwv !! [20:32] .. I dont like the shakey camera ,.. abit wonky .. [20:33] mmm the music has changed a lot ... [20:34] * SuperEngineer wants "don't be alarmed, this is a Kindness" added to luboto3's vocabulary... so many uses! [20:34] SuperEngineer: is it followed by the user being dropped form the channel? ;) [20:34] ;) [20:34] evening [20:35] dwatkins: one would assume so ;) [20:35] hiya jacobw [20:35] mm.. good show .. bit long for the message thou ... [20:38] "Don't press the wrong button on a lift" ? [20:40] dwatkins: "this is a Kindness - don't be be alrmed: you're ignored/kicked/banned"...oh yes! gotta be worth submitting [20:41] ..& who put the exctra "be" in there! [20:52] Got to go now - [20:52] early start tomorrow [travelling to Kentshire to see daughter :) and then on to hotel dor course Monday :( [20:53] ...but back home in time Ubuntu-UK podcast Wednesday ;) [20:55] * SuperEngineer wishes the podders all the best for 1st show of new season. [20:58] Evening all. === GentileBen is now known as klime [21:03] * zleap dittos the good luck message :) === klime is now known as JethroTroll [22:05] Morning popey [22:06] popey: I am now in a post Viglen age - it has died - a period of official mourning will follow [22:09] ☹ [22:14] popey: the ubuntu tablet/mobile stuff is spot on. My local NHS IT bods are very impressed. The SDK is on the intranet. [22:14] Geek 2013 = Epic. https://www.dropbox.com/s/qw5rx3ieygayxa7/2013-02-23%2011.28.41.jpg?m :D [22:14] golly [22:20] the 'powers-that-be' were planning to equip the community services with iPads, but after sg [22:20] oops [22:22] but after projecting our benign spaceman's presentation, that's on hold (though not quotable!) [22:23] our desktop architecture is now OS agnostic [22:27] though we do need a number of terminal service licences [22:28] are there any terminal picture viewers around, that work over an ssh connection, inside gnome-terminal. ? [22:29] most likely you'd want to forward X so you can use something like xv on the remote machine, but using your local display [22:30] ssh -X host [22:30] brobostigon: http://pc-freak.net/blog/viewing-jpeggif-and-png-in-ascii-with-cacaview-on-gnu-linux-short-review-on-caca-utils-text-mode-graphics-utilities/ [22:30] eog image.png [22:31] brobostigon: have a look at gateone https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne [22:31] thank you popey and danfish [22:39] ho hum, pig's bum, time for bed === JethroTroll is now known as RaycisCharles