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Kilosmorning all05:56
Kiloswinter morning in pretoria05:56
superflymorning06:22
tumbleweedmagespawn: http://www.notgary.com/2013/02/not-got-global-jam-event-to-attend-come.html06:59
mazalMorning all07:32
Kiloshi magespawn mazal tonberry352_ 07:39
Kilosyou been scarce mazal 07:39
mazalVery busy oom Kilos 07:40
Kilosat night too?07:40
Kilosyou and your buddy missed the last meeting on the 18th07:41
Kilosjulle stout07:41
mazalAt night I'm so tired I just crash on the couch07:41
Kilosai!07:41
Kiloswhat you guys doing?07:41
mazalVPN project07:41
mazalRedid it 3 times already07:42
inetproKilos: goeie more07:42
inetprowinter morning?07:42
inetpronee meneer07:42
Kiloslo inetpro 07:42
inetprogood morning evryone else07:42
mazalMorning inetpro 07:42
Kiloshehe i got cold this morning man.07:42
inetproit's not even 10:00 and it's cooking hot here07:43
mazalAnd my buddy was on leave the last two weeks , so were alone in the battle07:43
Kiloshave you finished it now mazal ?07:43
mazalNope07:43
inetproKilos: but it was nice and cool this morning07:43
Kilosyeah inetpro like winter07:44
Kiloshehe07:44
inetpronee07:44
inetproyou forget07:44
Kilosis jou van strydom?07:44
inetprowinter is much colder than that07:44
mazalMe Kilos ?07:44
Kiloswhen i get cold its winter, albeit just for a coupla hours07:44
Kilosno inetpro  mazal 07:45
Kiloshy stry altyd met my07:45
* inetpro just ordered his self the Note II at VC07:45
Kiloswhats that inetpro ?07:45
Kiloshimself\07:45
inetproKilos: the Samsung Galaxy Note II07:45
Kiloslekker07:45
inetproI was due for an upgrade and I decided I shall take the plunge07:46
inetprohope to get it some time next week07:46
Kilosah, why not the ubuntu fone or tablet07:46
inetprono point in waiting for the next best thing that doesn't exist yet07:47
Kiloslol07:47
Kilosbest not next best07:47
inetproand when it's released it will be over priced anyway07:47
Kilosyeah i spose07:47
Kilosoh then you can play ingress as well07:48
Kilosseems quite addictive07:48
inetproplease don't make me go there07:48
Kiloslol07:48
inetprohit me with a pick axe handle if I go there07:48
Kilosok will do07:49
inetproI have enough distractions in my life as it is07:49
Kilosmazal, and you didnt even need any help?07:49
Kilosgetting too clever you are07:49
inetproeyes also need a rest sometimes07:50
Kilosim busy soldering a sata cable on to a 500g drive with a cheap and nasty soldering iron one has to keep switching off or it over heats07:50
Kilosbeen spoiled too long with the weller soldering station07:51
Kilosya fones too small to do things like gaming when you get old inetpro 07:51
Kilosand time is tight07:52
Kilosthat is a lekker instrumental07:52
inetproKilos: but even on the big screen I have to force myself to move away at times07:52
Kilosmight be a bit before your time07:52
Kilosai! thats addiction not bad eye07:53
Kilosi got same prob07:53
Kilosnot happy when pc is off07:53
inetprocan't just sit in front of this thing for 9 working hours plus a few more in the evening every single day07:54
inetproand then some more on the small mobile screen07:54
Kilosyeah i spose. im lucky with cooking and sheep and fowls07:54
inetproKilos: you have a perfect life07:54
Kilosdid you catch the snake07:54
inetproeish nee07:54
Kilosyeah i think so07:55
inetproek moet bietjie gaan kyk07:55
Kiloshere is an idea07:55
inetproja?07:55
Kilosmake a spiral with mesh wire07:55
Kiloslarge open area in middle07:55
Kilosput eggs there07:56
Kilosand cover the top07:56
Kilosso it must go round and round to get to them07:56
Kilosmaybe rig some kind of alarm system then catch the thing and give to snake park07:57
Kilosor chop its head off07:57
* Kilos waits for ai!07:57
inetprohaha07:59
* inetpro trying to wvoid saying ai again07:59
inetproavoid as well07:59
inetprosome interesting ideas on google if I search for images of snake traps 08:00
Kiloshaha08:00
Kilosoh are there such things08:00
inetproKilos: https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+trap&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=Hhq&channel=fs&gl=uk&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=SnYoUfWTJ4qJhQfkmIC4Cg&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1281&bih=585&sei=VHYoUb_sKoPKhAfhrYGYCw#imgrc=_08:00
Kilosjust member if you kill a dangerous snake like mamba or rinkhals cremate it or the mate comes looking for you08:01
Kilosno man no data08:01
Kilosremember the link till the 1st08:01
inetproKilos: nee man08:04
inetprojust search google for 'snake traps' then click images08:04
inetprono need to remember anything08:04
Kilosoh ok ty08:07
magespawnhowdy all08:42
magespawnty for the link tumbleweed08:48
Kiloshi magespawn 08:53
magespawnhey Kilos08:53
Kiloscheap and nasty soldering irons suck08:54
Kilosno temp control08:54
magespawnindeed, mine is cheap and nasty and old08:54
magespawnlol08:54
magespawnwhat snake was the pro trying to catch08:54
magespawn?08:54
Kiloslol google prices on soldering stations08:55
Kilosnot weller they are like bying gold08:55
Kilosone that steals the eggs the fowls lay08:55
magespawnan egg eater?08:55
Kilosyeah08:55
magespawndid he get a look at it?08:55
Kilosbut rinkhals also steal eggs08:56
Kilosno gardener did08:56
Kilosthats why better to catch08:56
Kilosthe look from far08:56
magespawnthe one cannot be mistaken for the other with those two08:56
Kilosyeah but he needs to identify first. one cant go on  "he said it looks like this"08:57
Kilosweve lost a few sheep and dogs to rinkhals here08:57
magespawnone is okay to have, the other not so much08:58
Kiloshehe09:03
Kilosmagespawn, when a soldering iron tip loses the silver shine its too hot09:08
magespawnso i noticed when using my old one here09:10
magespawnthis is the soldering iron the used for the ark ad left behind09:11
Kiloslol09:11
Kilosplug into a switchable plug then on/off it all the time09:12
Kilosim manually unpluggin09:12
Kilosgrrr09:12
Kilos3 wires connected09:12
Kilos4 to go09:12
Kilosthen i can try my zsynced 12.04.2 cd09:16
magespawncool Kilos09:18
magespawnyou have more patience than most i think09:19
magespawncould someone explain this "Use of PuTTY, PSCP, PSFTP and Plink is illegal in countries where encryption is outlawed", how can you outlaw encryption and who does?09:23
Symmetriaerrr09:27
Symmetriaits not that its necessarily outlawed in those countries09:27
Symmetriaits often outlawed for export to certain countries09:27
Symmetriathough I suspect in certain countries it MAY be illegal09:28
magespawnthat is bizzare, to my way of thinking09:29
Symmetriasudan for example, you may not under any circumstances export crypto code there09:29
Symmetriasudan, iran, somalia09:29
magespawnokay09:29
magespawn ahh the government does not like not being able to read eveything?09:29
Symmetriamagespawn also the US will nail you to the wall if they find you supplying crypto to "terrorist" nations09:30
magespawnbut anyone can get it free from the net surely09:30
Symmetriayou cant even download from sourceforge if you are in Khartoum, the US government forced sourceforge to block traffic to the entire country09:30
magespawnare there not ways around that?09:31
Symmetriaheh, of course there are, but it sitll makes life difficult09:31
Symmetriahell, you arent legally allowed to ship a lot of hardware there even if it doesnt support crypto09:32
Symmetriathe only way to get a cisco or a juniper into sudan is to send it via the UAE 09:32
Symmetriaor some other nation thats prepared to ignore the sanctioning09:32
magespawnright09:32
Symmetriathat or buy fucking crappy chinese hardware09:32
Symmetrialol magespawn even when we dropped an STM-1 into sudan 09:33
Symmetriathe circuit starts in london, ends in khartoum09:33
Symmetriabut because of sanctions, it runs via the middle east 09:33
magespawnmadness09:33
magespawnso if i start encrypting my email that runs through google i could be flagged by the US government09:36
Symmetriadepends where you are and where you are sending to09:38
Symmetria:)09:38
Symmetriaheh, my general rule is, ignore all of it and encrypt everything ;p09:39
Symmetriaand if I'm accessing something in Sudan or somewhere, bounce through the tor network09:39
Symmetria(then again, I bounce at least half my traffic through tor)09:40
magespawnit is only paranoia if they are not out to get you lol09:42
Kilosaw middle lug broke off level with plastic housing09:44
* Kilos cries09:45
magespawnhectic Kilos09:45
magespawnhave you thought about by passing those altogether?09:45
Symmetriaheh magespawn I think you'd be suprised how many people are passing stuff through toor09:46
Symmetriator I mean09:47
SymmetriaI just wish there were national tor exit nodes09:47
Kiloslo Vince-0 09:51
Kilosremoved card now magespawn 09:51
Vince-0Hi09:52
magespawnhey Vince-010:05
Vince-0Hi!10:06
Vince-0what's hip and happening 10:06
magespawnnot much watching online vids10:07
Vince-0I stripped the DBNLUG G+ hangouts audio from the YouTube .mp4 converted to OGG and mastered using auphonic.com10:07
Vince-0sounds a bit better - whole 2 hours is just over 70MB10:08
magespawncool did you find out why i couldn't join?10:09
Vince-0yeah, I had to host it with the dbnlug@gmail.com account to get it to the Youtube channel and I couldn't find you with that account10:11
magespawnoh okay was good to watch anyway10:11
Vince-0thanks! We will do it again in 4 weeks10:12
magespawni say the quality of content I am finding on facebook has improved10:17
Vince-0noo10:25
superflyinetpro: do you know what type of snake it is?10:25
magespawnVince-0: i have weeded out the non hackers10:55
Vince-0I'm no hacker10:56
magespawnnon hackers in this case means people who do not meet the grade10:56
Vince-0there's a test?10:58
magespawnno real test facebook does most of it for me, i click on things i like10:58
magespawnif i do a wget for an iso over ssh, will the wget stop if i close the the ssh link?11:04
Vince-0ah11:04
Vince-0think it will close, otherwise do it in a screen to re-attach11:05
magespawnVince-0: not even sure what that means11:08
* magespawn goes to google11:08
Vince-0screen -S MYSCREEN11:12
magespawnfound this which does mention screen also a couple of altenatives too http://serverfault.com/questions/115968/ssh-session-drops-does-the-command-continue-executing11:12
Vince-0ctrl+A+D will detach , screen -DR will reattach11:12
Vince-0screens the simplist11:12
magespawni think so too from the reading11:13
magespawnhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen11:13
magespawnor "man screen" to qoute inetpro in absentia11:14
magespawnscreen looks very useful11:30
tumbleweedscreen is very useful11:31
tumbleweedalso look at byobu, if you want an easy-to-use screen11:31
magespawndoes that run on a server?11:32
tumbleweedit runs wherever you want it to run11:32
magespawncool11:32
* magespawn goes to google11:32
tumbleweedoh, and mosh is worth looking at too, if we are talking about losing ssh connections11:33
magespawnlmosh is available for most platforms it looks like11:41
magespawnmosh too11:41
magespawnamazing what comes up when you search certain things11:43
magespawnbbl gotta go get shopping11:44
tumbleweedyou do need to run a mosh server, though11:46
tumbleweedscreen/boyobu/tmux are just utilities you run as your user11:47
* tumbleweed uses mosh+screen a lot11:47
magespawnty tumbleweed i think i would run screen/boyobu more than mosh12:16
tumbleweedmagespawn: I do a lot of: mosh machine -- screen -DR12:17
tumbleweed(in fact, the IRC client I'm using is in a screen session, on the other side of a mosh connection, right now)12:19
superflytumbleweed: this is your reminder to push OpenLP to Ubuntu as well (if you haven't done it already)12:23
tumbleweedsuperfly: already done :)12:23
superflyw00t!12:24
tumbleweedhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openlp/2.0.1-112:24
superflyhow long will that take to reach the repos?12:24
magespawndoes anyone ever just set things up to run as many programs as possible to see how far you can take and still have everything work?12:25
superflyhrm, it says "published 1 hour ago" so perhaps already?12:25
superflymagespawn: eh?12:26
tumbleweedyeah, shoudl be there already12:27
charl_good afternoon12:27
charl_hi tumbleweed 12:27
charl_Maaz: coffee on12:27
* Maaz washes some mugs12:27
magespawnlike doing multiple commands over ssh etc12:27
magespawnhey charl_12:27
tumbleweedcharl_: o/12:27
magespawnMaaz coffee please12:27
Maazmagespawn: Sure12:27
* superfly tries an "upgrade"12:28
charl_hi magespawn 12:28
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_ and magespawn!12:31
charl_Maaz: thanks12:32
Maazcharl_: Sure12:32
charl_i am getting used to running mint xfce4 on my laptop now, it's quite fast12:33
magespawnis there much difference from xubuntu?12:36
charl_it looks quite different, just how's it's been configured though12:47
charl_i'm sure with some effort you could get the same configuration on xubuntu if you prefer12:47
magespawnwas just wondering12:47
magespawni am off home, later all12:48
charl_you get some extra packages from mint's repositories just like any other mint version12:48
charl_but i don't think that matters much12:48
charl_ciao magespawn 12:48
charl_you get a bunch of stuff but it seems to be mostly ui-related12:49
charl_http://packages.linuxmint.com/12:49
Kilosafternoon all15:46
Vince-0Hii15:57
superflynaand ion Kilos 16:45
superfly*oom 16:45
Kiloslol naand superfly 16:46
inetpromagespawn: eh17:19
inetprosuperfly: I don't know yet17:19
inetprofrom the description of my gardener it is a red snake17:20
inetprothat's all I know17:20
inetprobut he has looked everywhere and I have looked some... we can't find it again17:21
inetprobut it seems to be around somewhere still17:21
inetprocoming back again and again... for more eggs17:21
superflyinetpro: are you sure? most chicken's eggs are way too big for snakes17:34
inetprosuperfly: I'm not 100% sure 18:11
magespawnevening all18:11
inetprosuperfly: but there are traces of eggshells like it was spat out by a snake18:12
superflyinetpro: where? close to the hens, or on the other side of the garden?18:13
magespawninetpro i do not know of a indigenous red snake18:13
inetproin the visinity of the chicken coup18:13
inetprovicinity 18:14
superflyinetpro: unlikely. snakes go away to their nests to digest their food18:14
superflyinetpro: they find a safe spot and curl up for 2 or 3 days18:14
inetprook18:14
magespawnegg eaters up chuck the shells after breaking the eggs18:14
magespawnbut chicken eggs are usually too big for them18:15
superflyyeah, and as magespawn says, a red snake? 18:15
superflyinetpro: how big are your chicken eggs?18:15
inetprowell I can't say, I haven't seen anything yet18:15
inetprotime will hopefully tell 18:16
inetpromeanwhile the kids have been told to stay away from the area18:16
Kilosinetpro, the upchucked shells are they still stuck to the inner skin of the egg18:17
inetprosjoe18:17
Kilosand did you try identify the snake with the pics on your fone with the gardener18:18
superflymagespawn: true, the egg eaters do regurgitate the shells, but it's not usually near the nests... they first go somewhere safe before they do that18:18
inetproI actually have not had time to check, even today I was just about out all day18:18
Kilosalso eggs get stolen by mongoose and thrown against rocks or something hard but then they arent all together like snake upchuck18:20
magespawnthings like jayes fluid sprayed around the hen house will discourage the snake18:20
magespawnmaybe something else like a monitor?18:20
Kilosbut normally also carried away then broken18:20
magespawn#ubuntu-za-wildlife18:20
Kiloshehe18:21
inetprosorry, have something else now as well18:21
* inetpro wbb18:21
Kilossuperfly, methinks the gardener has his red mixed up some18:22
Kilosmaybe with brown18:22
Kilosbrownish18:22
superflyKilos: I'm guessing so18:23
Kiloswe have killed a 5 ft spitting cobra/rinkhals here with 5 eggs in it but we never find the shells18:24
Kilosthey carted off to nest area18:24
magespawnthere are red snakes, have just had a look, apparently the egg eater has a red-brown morph18:25
Kiloshere in the tvl magespawn 18:26
Kilos?18:26
superflyI've seen cape egg eaters, but they are beige with brown and red, and WAY too small to eat 18:27
Kilosyeah the pro must ask how big/long the snake was too18:29
magespawnit says in the west of the range, west half of sa18:30
magespawnapparently get up to 70cm18:30
Kiloswe to the east of centre18:30
Kilosif i member right18:31
magespawnthese things are rarely precise18:31
Kilosoh btw my channel is closed to conserve data hey18:31
magespawnanimals go were they want and do not read the books18:32
Kilosrofl18:32
magespawnyour channel is still there18:32
Kilosyes but i mean i havent opened it here or got QA going18:33
Kilosi didnt kill the channel18:33
magespawnah no worries18:33
Kilosonly 5 more days18:33
magespawnyou can make it18:34
Kilosmake what?18:39
Kiloson maverick here. big pc trying to sort that drive18:39
Kilosgot it wired inna fashion but only shows as a 160g and very corrupt18:40
Kilosusing seatools disk to try fix it18:40
Kilosgonna take 1 1/2 days to wipe it18:41
Kilosmaybe i got some solder shorting 2 connections. couldnt see lekker18:41
Kilostoo tiny18:42
Kilosooo now it says 8 days remaining18:44
Kiloseeek18:44
magespawni meant about making the data last18:45
inetproKilos: the way he explained to me it must have been about a meter long18:46
inetpromaybe a bit less18:46
inetprothen again, if I think about it 1 meter is humongous 18:47
Kilosoh ya ill make it at 10m a day magespawn 18:47
Kilosa 1m snake can swallow large eggs18:48
magespawnmaia's poat about the global jam taken fron g+ and her blog http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2013/02/jam-jam-jam-raring.html18:48
Kilosja glimlaggie18:54
Kilosvir altyd18:55
magespawnbbl18:57
Kilosnight all. sleep tight18:57
Symmetriahrm19:02
Symmetriaanyone else here using mweb?19:02
Symmetriaand noticed that their international bandwidth lately is *screwed*19:02
zerefindeed19:07
superflyinetpro: a meter long is not that long19:12
superflyinetpro: my snake is about a meter, and it is too small to be able to swallow a chicken egg19:12
inetprohmm...19:12
Symmetriaheh, screw it, if Im doing ANYTHING internationally bandwidth intensive I *have* to vpn it now, because mweb international bandwidth is sucking *so* bad lately19:15
Symmetriacan barely hold 250k/second19:15
superflyinetpro: this is the common egg eater: http://www.thegardeningblog.co.za/barbies-garden/snake-in-the-garden/19:17
superflyinetpro: as you can see, it is very small, and it's not red19:17
inetprosuperfly: here's one eating an egg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X14DovVIwBs19:19
inetprofrom the following article: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/egg-eating-snakes/19:19
superflyinetpro: yes, but do you get that snake in SA?19:21
inetproI don't think so19:21
inetprothe link you gave, is that a south african snake?19:22
inetproobviously19:22
inetprosorry... I had not read the story yet19:23
superflyinetpro: that appears to be the only egg eater in south africa19:23
inetprohmm...19:23
superflyif you do see it, rather catch it (in a pillow case specifically) and take it to a snake handler in the area19:24
inetproai!19:25
superflythey have no teeth, so they cannot cause any harm, and are usually extremely docile19:25
* inetpro won't come near it19:25
superflyinetpro: I have a snake with teeth, and it doesn't bite me19:25
superflyinetpro: seriously? what have you got to be scared of?19:26
superflyinetpro: I'll tell you what: *nothing*19:26
inetprojust the thought19:26
superflyit cannot bite you, if you catch it in a pillow case it will calm down immediately and won't move much until you let it out again19:27
inetpromay be even a phobia against snakes19:27
superflysmakes *love* (empty) pillowc ases19:27
superfly*pillow cases19:27
superflyinetpro: it is a false phobia caused by the idiots in the media, and idiots in the church19:28
inetprosuperfly: no19:28
inetproI've seen way to many of them on the farm, as a kid19:29
inetprobefore the big media and TV19:30
smile4everbye :)19:32
smile4evergood night19:32

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