[05:56] morning all [05:56] winter morning in pretoria [06:22] morning [06:59] magespawn: http://www.notgary.com/2013/02/not-got-global-jam-event-to-attend-come.html [07:32] Morning all [07:39] hi magespawn mazal tonberry352_ [07:39] you been scarce mazal [07:40] Very busy oom Kilos [07:40] at night too? [07:41] you and your buddy missed the last meeting on the 18th [07:41] julle stout [07:41] At night I'm so tired I just crash on the couch [07:41] ai! [07:41] what you guys doing? [07:41] VPN project [07:42] Redid it 3 times already [07:42] Kilos: goeie more [07:42] winter morning? [07:42] nee meneer [07:42] lo inetpro [07:42] good morning evryone else [07:42] Morning inetpro [07:42] hehe i got cold this morning man. [07:43] it's not even 10:00 and it's cooking hot here [07:43] And my buddy was on leave the last two weeks , so were alone in the battle [07:43] have you finished it now mazal ? [07:43] Nope [07:43] Kilos: but it was nice and cool this morning [07:44] yeah inetpro like winter [07:44] hehe [07:44] nee [07:44] you forget [07:44] is jou van strydom? [07:44] winter is much colder than that [07:44] Me Kilos ? [07:44] when i get cold its winter, albeit just for a coupla hours [07:45] no inetpro mazal [07:45] hy stry altyd met my [07:45] * inetpro just ordered his self the Note II at VC [07:45] whats that inetpro ? [07:45] himself\ [07:45] Kilos: the Samsung Galaxy Note II [07:45] lekker [07:46] I was due for an upgrade and I decided I shall take the plunge [07:46] hope to get it some time next week [07:46] ah, why not the ubuntu fone or tablet [07:47] no point in waiting for the next best thing that doesn't exist yet [07:47] lol [07:47] best not next best [07:47] and when it's released it will be over priced anyway [07:47] yeah i spose [07:48] oh then you can play ingress as well [07:48] seems quite addictive [07:48] please don't make me go there [07:48] lol [07:48] hit me with a pick axe handle if I go there [07:49] ok will do [07:49] I have enough distractions in my life as it is [07:49] mazal, and you didnt even need any help? [07:49] getting too clever you are [07:50] eyes also need a rest sometimes [07:50] im busy soldering a sata cable on to a 500g drive with a cheap and nasty soldering iron one has to keep switching off or it over heats [07:51] been spoiled too long with the weller soldering station [07:51] ya fones too small to do things like gaming when you get old inetpro [07:52] and time is tight [07:52] that is a lekker instrumental [07:52] Kilos: but even on the big screen I have to force myself to move away at times [07:52] might be a bit before your time [07:53] ai! thats addiction not bad eye [07:53] i got same prob [07:53] not happy when pc is off [07:54] can't just sit in front of this thing for 9 working hours plus a few more in the evening every single day [07:54] and then some more on the small mobile screen [07:54] yeah i spose. im lucky with cooking and sheep and fowls [07:54] Kilos: you have a perfect life [07:54] did you catch the snake [07:54] eish nee [07:55] yeah i think so [07:55] ek moet bietjie gaan kyk [07:55] here is an idea [07:55] ja? [07:55] make a spiral with mesh wire [07:55] large open area in middle [07:56] put eggs there [07:56] and cover the top [07:56] so it must go round and round to get to them [07:57] maybe rig some kind of alarm system then catch the thing and give to snake park [07:57] or chop its head off [07:57] * Kilos waits for ai! [07:59] haha [07:59] * inetpro trying to wvoid saying ai again [07:59] avoid as well [08:00] some interesting ideas on google if I search for images of snake traps [08:00] haha [08:00] oh are there such things [08:00] Kilos: https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+trap&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=Hhq&channel=fs&gl=uk&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=SnYoUfWTJ4qJhQfkmIC4Cg&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1281&bih=585&sei=VHYoUb_sKoPKhAfhrYGYCw#imgrc=_ [08:01] just member if you kill a dangerous snake like mamba or rinkhals cremate it or the mate comes looking for you [08:01] no man no data [08:01] remember the link till the 1st [08:04] Kilos: nee man [08:04] just search google for 'snake traps' then click images [08:04] no need to remember anything [08:07] oh ok ty [08:42] howdy all [08:48] ty for the link tumbleweed [08:53] hi magespawn [08:53] hey Kilos [08:54] cheap and nasty soldering irons suck [08:54] no temp control [08:54] indeed, mine is cheap and nasty and old [08:54] lol [08:54] what snake was the pro trying to catch [08:54] ? [08:55] lol google prices on soldering stations [08:55] not weller they are like bying gold [08:55] one that steals the eggs the fowls lay [08:55] an egg eater? [08:55] yeah [08:55] did he get a look at it? [08:56] but rinkhals also steal eggs [08:56] no gardener did [08:56] thats why better to catch [08:56] the look from far [08:56] the one cannot be mistaken for the other with those two [08:57] yeah but he needs to identify first. one cant go on "he said it looks like this" [08:57] weve lost a few sheep and dogs to rinkhals here [08:58] one is okay to have, the other not so much [09:03] hehe [09:08] magespawn, when a soldering iron tip loses the silver shine its too hot [09:10] so i noticed when using my old one here [09:11] this is the soldering iron the used for the ark ad left behind [09:11] lol [09:12] plug into a switchable plug then on/off it all the time [09:12] im manually unpluggin [09:12] grrr [09:12] 3 wires connected [09:12] 4 to go [09:16] then i can try my zsynced 12.04.2 cd [09:18] cool Kilos [09:19] you have more patience than most i think [09:23] could someone explain this "Use of PuTTY, PSCP, PSFTP and Plink is illegal in countries where encryption is outlawed", how can you outlaw encryption and who does? [09:27] errr [09:27] its not that its necessarily outlawed in those countries [09:27] its often outlawed for export to certain countries [09:28] though I suspect in certain countries it MAY be illegal [09:29] that is bizzare, to my way of thinking [09:29] sudan for example, you may not under any circumstances export crypto code there [09:29] sudan, iran, somalia [09:29] okay [09:29] ahh the government does not like not being able to read eveything? [09:30] magespawn also the US will nail you to the wall if they find you supplying crypto to "terrorist" nations [09:30] but anyone can get it free from the net surely [09:30] you cant even download from sourceforge if you are in Khartoum, the US government forced sourceforge to block traffic to the entire country [09:31] are there not ways around that? [09:31] heh, of course there are, but it sitll makes life difficult [09:32] hell, you arent legally allowed to ship a lot of hardware there even if it doesnt support crypto [09:32] the only way to get a cisco or a juniper into sudan is to send it via the UAE [09:32] or some other nation thats prepared to ignore the sanctioning [09:32] right [09:32] that or buy fucking crappy chinese hardware [09:33] lol magespawn even when we dropped an STM-1 into sudan [09:33] the circuit starts in london, ends in khartoum [09:33] but because of sanctions, it runs via the middle east [09:33] madness [09:36] so if i start encrypting my email that runs through google i could be flagged by the US government [09:38] depends where you are and where you are sending to [09:38] :) [09:39] heh, my general rule is, ignore all of it and encrypt everything ;p [09:39] and if I'm accessing something in Sudan or somewhere, bounce through the tor network [09:40] (then again, I bounce at least half my traffic through tor) [09:42] it is only paranoia if they are not out to get you lol [09:44] aw middle lug broke off level with plastic housing [09:45] * Kilos cries [09:45] hectic Kilos [09:45] have you thought about by passing those altogether? [09:46] heh magespawn I think you'd be suprised how many people are passing stuff through toor [09:47] tor I mean [09:47] I just wish there were national tor exit nodes [09:51] lo Vince-0 [09:51] removed card now magespawn [09:52] Hi [10:05] hey Vince-0 [10:06] Hi! [10:06] what's hip and happening [10:07] not much watching online vids [10:07] I stripped the DBNLUG G+ hangouts audio from the YouTube .mp4 converted to OGG and mastered using auphonic.com [10:08] sounds a bit better - whole 2 hours is just over 70MB [10:09] cool did you find out why i couldn't join? [10:11] yeah, I had to host it with the dbnlug@gmail.com account to get it to the Youtube channel and I couldn't find you with that account [10:11] oh okay was good to watch anyway [10:12] thanks! We will do it again in 4 weeks [10:17] i say the quality of content I am finding on facebook has improved [10:25] noo [10:25] inetpro: do you know what type of snake it is? [10:55] Vince-0: i have weeded out the non hackers [10:56] I'm no hacker [10:56] non hackers in this case means people who do not meet the grade [10:58] there's a test? [10:58] no real test facebook does most of it for me, i click on things i like [11:04] if i do a wget for an iso over ssh, will the wget stop if i close the the ssh link? [11:04] ah [11:05] think it will close, otherwise do it in a screen to re-attach [11:08] Vince-0: not even sure what that means [11:08] * magespawn goes to google [11:12] screen -S MYSCREEN [11:12] found this which does mention screen also a couple of altenatives too http://serverfault.com/questions/115968/ssh-session-drops-does-the-command-continue-executing [11:12] ctrl+A+D will detach , screen -DR will reattach [11:12] screens the simplist [11:13] i think so too from the reading [11:13] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen [11:14] or "man screen" to qoute inetpro in absentia [11:30] screen looks very useful [11:31] screen is very useful [11:31] also look at byobu, if you want an easy-to-use screen [11:32] does that run on a server? [11:32] it runs wherever you want it to run [11:32] cool [11:32] * magespawn goes to google [11:33] oh, and mosh is worth looking at too, if we are talking about losing ssh connections [11:41] lmosh is available for most platforms it looks like [11:41] mosh too [11:43] amazing what comes up when you search certain things [11:44] bbl gotta go get shopping [11:46] you do need to run a mosh server, though [11:47] screen/boyobu/tmux are just utilities you run as your user [11:47] * tumbleweed uses mosh+screen a lot [12:16] ty tumbleweed i think i would run screen/boyobu more than mosh [12:17] magespawn: I do a lot of: mosh machine -- screen -DR [12:19] (in fact, the IRC client I'm using is in a screen session, on the other side of a mosh connection, right now) [12:23] tumbleweed: this is your reminder to push OpenLP to Ubuntu as well (if you haven't done it already) [12:23] superfly: already done :) [12:24] w00t! [12:24] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openlp/2.0.1-1 [12:24] how long will that take to reach the repos? [12:25] does anyone ever just set things up to run as many programs as possible to see how far you can take and still have everything work? [12:25] hrm, it says "published 1 hour ago" so perhaps already? [12:26] magespawn: eh? [12:27] yeah, shoudl be there already [12:27] good afternoon [12:27] hi tumbleweed [12:27] Maaz: coffee on [12:27] * Maaz washes some mugs [12:27] like doing multiple commands over ssh etc [12:27] hey charl_ [12:27] charl_: o/ [12:27] Maaz coffee please [12:27] magespawn: Sure [12:28] * superfly tries an "upgrade" [12:28] hi magespawn [12:31] Coffee's ready for charl_ and magespawn! [12:32] Maaz: thanks [12:32] charl_: Sure [12:33] i am getting used to running mint xfce4 on my laptop now, it's quite fast [12:36] is there much difference from xubuntu? [12:47] it looks quite different, just how's it's been configured though [12:47] i'm sure with some effort you could get the same configuration on xubuntu if you prefer [12:47] was just wondering [12:48] i am off home, later all [12:48] you get some extra packages from mint's repositories just like any other mint version [12:48] but i don't think that matters much [12:48] ciao magespawn [12:49] you get a bunch of stuff but it seems to be mostly ui-related [12:49] http://packages.linuxmint.com/ [15:46] afternoon all [15:57] Hii [16:45] naand ion Kilos [16:45] *oom [16:46] lol naand superfly [17:19] magespawn: eh [17:19] superfly: I don't know yet [17:20] from the description of my gardener it is a red snake [17:20] that's all I know [17:21] but he has looked everywhere and I have looked some... we can't find it again [17:21] but it seems to be around somewhere still [17:21] coming back again and again... for more eggs [17:34] inetpro: are you sure? most chicken's eggs are way too big for snakes [18:11] superfly: I'm not 100% sure [18:11] evening all [18:12] superfly: but there are traces of eggshells like it was spat out by a snake [18:13] inetpro: where? close to the hens, or on the other side of the garden? [18:13] inetpro i do not know of a indigenous red snake [18:13] in the visinity of the chicken coup [18:14] vicinity [18:14] inetpro: unlikely. snakes go away to their nests to digest their food [18:14] inetpro: they find a safe spot and curl up for 2 or 3 days [18:14] ok [18:14] egg eaters up chuck the shells after breaking the eggs [18:15] but chicken eggs are usually too big for them [18:15] yeah, and as magespawn says, a red snake? [18:15] inetpro: how big are your chicken eggs? [18:15] well I can't say, I haven't seen anything yet [18:16] time will hopefully tell [18:16] meanwhile the kids have been told to stay away from the area [18:17] inetpro, the upchucked shells are they still stuck to the inner skin of the egg [18:17] sjoe [18:18] and did you try identify the snake with the pics on your fone with the gardener [18:18] magespawn: true, the egg eaters do regurgitate the shells, but it's not usually near the nests... they first go somewhere safe before they do that [18:18] I actually have not had time to check, even today I was just about out all day [18:20] also eggs get stolen by mongoose and thrown against rocks or something hard but then they arent all together like snake upchuck [18:20] things like jayes fluid sprayed around the hen house will discourage the snake [18:20] maybe something else like a monitor? [18:20] but normally also carried away then broken [18:20] #ubuntu-za-wildlife [18:21] hehe [18:21] sorry, have something else now as well [18:21] * inetpro wbb [18:22] superfly, methinks the gardener has his red mixed up some [18:22] maybe with brown [18:22] brownish [18:23] Kilos: I'm guessing so [18:24] we have killed a 5 ft spitting cobra/rinkhals here with 5 eggs in it but we never find the shells [18:24] they carted off to nest area [18:25] there are red snakes, have just had a look, apparently the egg eater has a red-brown morph [18:26] here in the tvl magespawn [18:26] ? [18:27] I've seen cape egg eaters, but they are beige with brown and red, and WAY too small to eat [18:29] yeah the pro must ask how big/long the snake was too [18:30] it says in the west of the range, west half of sa [18:30] apparently get up to 70cm [18:30] we to the east of centre [18:31] if i member right [18:31] these things are rarely precise [18:31] oh btw my channel is closed to conserve data hey [18:32] animals go were they want and do not read the books [18:32] rofl [18:32] your channel is still there [18:33] yes but i mean i havent opened it here or got QA going [18:33] i didnt kill the channel [18:33] ah no worries [18:33] only 5 more days [18:34] you can make it [18:39] make what? [18:39] on maverick here. big pc trying to sort that drive [18:40] got it wired inna fashion but only shows as a 160g and very corrupt [18:40] using seatools disk to try fix it [18:41] gonna take 1 1/2 days to wipe it [18:41] maybe i got some solder shorting 2 connections. couldnt see lekker [18:42] too tiny [18:44] ooo now it says 8 days remaining [18:44] eeek [18:45] i meant about making the data last [18:46] Kilos: the way he explained to me it must have been about a meter long [18:46] maybe a bit less [18:47] then again, if I think about it 1 meter is humongous [18:47] oh ya ill make it at 10m a day magespawn [18:48] a 1m snake can swallow large eggs [18:48] maia's poat about the global jam taken fron g+ and her blog http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2013/02/jam-jam-jam-raring.html [18:54] ja glimlaggie [18:55] vir altyd [18:57] bbl [18:57] night all. sleep tight [19:02] hrm [19:02] anyone else here using mweb? [19:02] and noticed that their international bandwidth lately is *screwed* [19:07] indeed [19:12] inetpro: a meter long is not that long [19:12] inetpro: my snake is about a meter, and it is too small to be able to swallow a chicken egg [19:12] hmm... [19:15] heh, screw it, if Im doing ANYTHING internationally bandwidth intensive I *have* to vpn it now, because mweb international bandwidth is sucking *so* bad lately [19:15] can barely hold 250k/second [19:17] inetpro: this is the common egg eater: http://www.thegardeningblog.co.za/barbies-garden/snake-in-the-garden/ [19:17] inetpro: as you can see, it is very small, and it's not red [19:19] superfly: here's one eating an egg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X14DovVIwBs [19:19] from the following article: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/egg-eating-snakes/ [19:21] inetpro: yes, but do you get that snake in SA? [19:21] I don't think so [19:22] the link you gave, is that a south african snake? [19:22] obviously [19:23] sorry... I had not read the story yet [19:23] inetpro: that appears to be the only egg eater in south africa [19:23] hmm... [19:24] if you do see it, rather catch it (in a pillow case specifically) and take it to a snake handler in the area [19:25] ai! [19:25] they have no teeth, so they cannot cause any harm, and are usually extremely docile [19:25] * inetpro won't come near it [19:25] inetpro: I have a snake with teeth, and it doesn't bite me [19:26] inetpro: seriously? what have you got to be scared of? [19:26] inetpro: I'll tell you what: *nothing* [19:26] just the thought [19:27] it cannot bite you, if you catch it in a pillow case it will calm down immediately and won't move much until you let it out again [19:27] may be even a phobia against snakes [19:27] smakes *love* (empty) pillowc ases [19:27] *pillow cases [19:28] inetpro: it is a false phobia caused by the idiots in the media, and idiots in the church [19:28] superfly: no [19:29] I've seen way to many of them on the farm, as a kid [19:30] before the big media and TV [19:32] bye :) [19:32] good night