[05:56] <Kilos> morning all
[05:56] <Kilos> winter morning in pretoria
[06:22] <superfly> morning
[06:59] <tumbleweed> magespawn: http://www.notgary.com/2013/02/not-got-global-jam-event-to-attend-come.html
[07:32] <mazal> Morning all
[07:39] <Kilos> hi magespawn mazal tonberry352_ 
[07:39] <Kilos> you been scarce mazal 
[07:40] <mazal> Very busy oom Kilos 
[07:40] <Kilos> at night too?
[07:41] <Kilos> you and your buddy missed the last meeting on the 18th
[07:41] <Kilos> julle stout
[07:41] <mazal> At night I'm so tired I just crash on the couch
[07:41] <Kilos> ai!
[07:41] <Kilos> what you guys doing?
[07:41] <mazal> VPN project
[07:42] <mazal> Redid it 3 times already
[07:42] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie more
[07:42] <inetpro> winter morning?
[07:42] <inetpro> nee meneer
[07:42] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[07:42] <inetpro> good morning evryone else
[07:42] <mazal> Morning inetpro 
[07:42] <Kilos> hehe i got cold this morning man.
[07:43] <inetpro> it's not even 10:00 and it's cooking hot here
[07:43] <mazal> And my buddy was on leave the last two weeks , so were alone in the battle
[07:43] <Kilos> have you finished it now mazal ?
[07:43] <mazal> Nope
[07:43] <inetpro> Kilos: but it was nice and cool this morning
[07:44] <Kilos> yeah inetpro like winter
[07:44] <Kilos> hehe
[07:44] <inetpro> nee
[07:44] <inetpro> you forget
[07:44] <Kilos> is jou van strydom?
[07:44] <inetpro> winter is much colder than that
[07:44] <mazal> Me Kilos ?
[07:44] <Kilos> when i get cold its winter, albeit just for a coupla hours
[07:45] <Kilos> no inetpro  mazal 
[07:45] <Kilos> hy stry altyd met my
[07:45]  * inetpro just ordered his self the Note II at VC
[07:45] <Kilos> whats that inetpro ?
[07:45] <Kilos> himself\
[07:45] <inetpro> Kilos: the Samsung Galaxy Note II
[07:45] <Kilos> lekker
[07:46] <inetpro> I was due for an upgrade and I decided I shall take the plunge
[07:46] <inetpro> hope to get it some time next week
[07:46] <Kilos> ah, why not the ubuntu fone or tablet
[07:47] <inetpro> no point in waiting for the next best thing that doesn't exist yet
[07:47] <Kilos> lol
[07:47] <Kilos> best not next best
[07:47] <inetpro> and when it's released it will be over priced anyway
[07:47] <Kilos> yeah i spose
[07:48] <Kilos> oh then you can play ingress as well
[07:48] <Kilos> seems quite addictive
[07:48] <inetpro> please don't make me go there
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:48] <inetpro> hit me with a pick axe handle if I go there
[07:49] <Kilos> ok will do
[07:49] <inetpro> I have enough distractions in my life as it is
[07:49] <Kilos> mazal, and you didnt even need any help?
[07:49] <Kilos> getting too clever you are
[07:50] <inetpro> eyes also need a rest sometimes
[07:50] <Kilos> im busy soldering a sata cable on to a 500g drive with a cheap and nasty soldering iron one has to keep switching off or it over heats
[07:51] <Kilos> been spoiled too long with the weller soldering station
[07:51] <Kilos> ya fones too small to do things like gaming when you get old inetpro 
[07:52] <Kilos> and time is tight
[07:52] <Kilos> that is a lekker instrumental
[07:52] <inetpro> Kilos: but even on the big screen I have to force myself to move away at times
[07:52] <Kilos> might be a bit before your time
[07:53] <Kilos> ai! thats addiction not bad eye
[07:53] <Kilos> i got same prob
[07:53] <Kilos> not happy when pc is off
[07:54] <inetpro> can't just sit in front of this thing for 9 working hours plus a few more in the evening every single day
[07:54] <inetpro> and then some more on the small mobile screen
[07:54] <Kilos> yeah i spose. im lucky with cooking and sheep and fowls
[07:54] <inetpro> Kilos: you have a perfect life
[07:54] <Kilos> did you catch the snake
[07:54] <inetpro> eish nee
[07:55] <Kilos> yeah i think so
[07:55] <inetpro> ek moet bietjie gaan kyk
[07:55] <Kilos> here is an idea
[07:55] <inetpro> ja?
[07:55] <Kilos> make a spiral with mesh wire
[07:55] <Kilos> large open area in middle
[07:56] <Kilos> put eggs there
[07:56] <Kilos> and cover the top
[07:56] <Kilos> so it must go round and round to get to them
[07:57] <Kilos> maybe rig some kind of alarm system then catch the thing and give to snake park
[07:57] <Kilos> or chop its head off
[07:57]  * Kilos waits for ai!
[07:59] <inetpro> haha
[07:59]  * inetpro trying to wvoid saying ai again
[07:59] <inetpro> avoid as well
[08:00] <inetpro> some interesting ideas on google if I search for images of snake traps 
[08:00] <Kilos> haha
[08:00] <Kilos> oh are there such things
[08:00] <inetpro> Kilos: https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+trap&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=Hhq&channel=fs&gl=uk&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=SnYoUfWTJ4qJhQfkmIC4Cg&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1281&bih=585&sei=VHYoUb_sKoPKhAfhrYGYCw#imgrc=_
[08:01] <Kilos> just member if you kill a dangerous snake like mamba or rinkhals cremate it or the mate comes looking for you
[08:01] <Kilos> no man no data
[08:01] <Kilos> remember the link till the 1st
[08:04] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man
[08:04] <inetpro> just search google for 'snake traps' then click images
[08:04] <inetpro> no need to remember anything
[08:07] <Kilos> oh ok ty
[08:42] <magespawn> howdy all
[08:48] <magespawn> ty for the link tumbleweed
[08:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:53] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[08:54] <Kilos> cheap and nasty soldering irons suck
[08:54] <Kilos> no temp control
[08:54] <magespawn> indeed, mine is cheap and nasty and old
[08:54] <magespawn> lol
[08:54] <magespawn> what snake was the pro trying to catch
[08:54] <magespawn> ?
[08:55] <Kilos> lol google prices on soldering stations
[08:55] <Kilos> not weller they are like bying gold
[08:55] <Kilos> one that steals the eggs the fowls lay
[08:55] <magespawn> an egg eater?
[08:55] <Kilos> yeah
[08:55] <magespawn> did he get a look at it?
[08:56] <Kilos> but rinkhals also steal eggs
[08:56] <Kilos> no gardener did
[08:56] <Kilos> thats why better to catch
[08:56] <Kilos> the look from far
[08:56] <magespawn> the one cannot be mistaken for the other with those two
[08:57] <Kilos> yeah but he needs to identify first. one cant go on  "he said it looks like this"
[08:57] <Kilos> weve lost a few sheep and dogs to rinkhals here
[08:58] <magespawn> one is okay to have, the other not so much
[09:03] <Kilos> hehe
[09:08] <Kilos> magespawn, when a soldering iron tip loses the silver shine its too hot
[09:10] <magespawn> so i noticed when using my old one here
[09:11] <magespawn> this is the soldering iron the used for the ark ad left behind
[09:11] <Kilos> lol
[09:12] <Kilos> plug into a switchable plug then on/off it all the time
[09:12] <Kilos> im manually unpluggin
[09:12] <Kilos> grrr
[09:12] <Kilos> 3 wires connected
[09:12] <Kilos> 4 to go
[09:16] <Kilos> then i can try my zsynced 12.04.2 cd
[09:18] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[09:19] <magespawn> you have more patience than most i think
[09:23] <magespawn> could someone explain this "Use of PuTTY, PSCP, PSFTP and Plink is illegal in countries where encryption is outlawed", how can you outlaw encryption and who does?
[09:27] <Symmetria> errr
[09:27] <Symmetria> its not that its necessarily outlawed in those countries
[09:27] <Symmetria> its often outlawed for export to certain countries
[09:28] <Symmetria> though I suspect in certain countries it MAY be illegal
[09:29] <magespawn> that is bizzare, to my way of thinking
[09:29] <Symmetria> sudan for example, you may not under any circumstances export crypto code there
[09:29] <Symmetria> sudan, iran, somalia
[09:29] <magespawn> okay
[09:29] <magespawn>  ahh the government does not like not being able to read eveything?
[09:30] <Symmetria> magespawn also the US will nail you to the wall if they find you supplying crypto to "terrorist" nations
[09:30] <magespawn> but anyone can get it free from the net surely
[09:30] <Symmetria> you cant even download from sourceforge if you are in Khartoum, the US government forced sourceforge to block traffic to the entire country
[09:31] <magespawn> are there not ways around that?
[09:31] <Symmetria> heh, of course there are, but it sitll makes life difficult
[09:32] <Symmetria> hell, you arent legally allowed to ship a lot of hardware there even if it doesnt support crypto
[09:32] <Symmetria> the only way to get a cisco or a juniper into sudan is to send it via the UAE 
[09:32] <Symmetria> or some other nation thats prepared to ignore the sanctioning
[09:32] <magespawn> right
[09:32] <Symmetria> that or buy fucking crappy chinese hardware
[09:33] <Symmetria> lol magespawn even when we dropped an STM-1 into sudan 
[09:33] <Symmetria> the circuit starts in london, ends in khartoum
[09:33] <Symmetria> but because of sanctions, it runs via the middle east 
[09:33] <magespawn> madness
[09:36] <magespawn> so if i start encrypting my email that runs through google i could be flagged by the US government
[09:38] <Symmetria> depends where you are and where you are sending to
[09:38] <Symmetria> :)
[09:39] <Symmetria> heh, my general rule is, ignore all of it and encrypt everything ;p
[09:39] <Symmetria> and if I'm accessing something in Sudan or somewhere, bounce through the tor network
[09:40] <Symmetria> (then again, I bounce at least half my traffic through tor)
[09:42] <magespawn> it is only paranoia if they are not out to get you lol
[09:44] <Kilos> aw middle lug broke off level with plastic housing
[09:45]  * Kilos cries
[09:45] <magespawn> hectic Kilos
[09:45] <magespawn> have you thought about by passing those altogether?
[09:46] <Symmetria> heh magespawn I think you'd be suprised how many people are passing stuff through toor
[09:47] <Symmetria> tor I mean
[09:47] <Symmetria> I just wish there were national tor exit nodes
[09:51] <Kilos> lo Vince-0 
[09:51] <Kilos> removed card now magespawn 
[09:52] <Vince-0> Hi
[10:05] <magespawn> hey Vince-0
[10:06] <Vince-0> Hi!
[10:06] <Vince-0> what's hip and happening 
[10:07] <magespawn> not much watching online vids
[10:07] <Vince-0> I stripped the DBNLUG G+ hangouts audio from the YouTube .mp4 converted to OGG and mastered using auphonic.com
[10:08] <Vince-0> sounds a bit better - whole 2 hours is just over 70MB
[10:09] <magespawn> cool did you find out why i couldn't join?
[10:11] <Vince-0> yeah, I had to host it with the dbnlug@gmail.com account to get it to the Youtube channel and I couldn't find you with that account
[10:11] <magespawn> oh okay was good to watch anyway
[10:12] <Vince-0> thanks! We will do it again in 4 weeks
[10:17] <magespawn> i say the quality of content I am finding on facebook has improved
[10:25] <Vince-0> noo
[10:25] <superfly> inetpro: do you know what type of snake it is?
[10:55] <magespawn> Vince-0: i have weeded out the non hackers
[10:56] <Vince-0> I'm no hacker
[10:56] <magespawn> non hackers in this case means people who do not meet the grade
[10:58] <Vince-0> there's a test?
[10:58] <magespawn> no real test facebook does most of it for me, i click on things i like
[11:04] <magespawn> if i do a wget for an iso over ssh, will the wget stop if i close the the ssh link?
[11:04] <Vince-0> ah
[11:05] <Vince-0> think it will close, otherwise do it in a screen to re-attach
[11:08] <magespawn> Vince-0: not even sure what that means
[11:08]  * magespawn goes to google
[11:12] <Vince-0> screen -S MYSCREEN
[11:12] <magespawn> found this which does mention screen also a couple of altenatives too http://serverfault.com/questions/115968/ssh-session-drops-does-the-command-continue-executing
[11:12] <Vince-0> ctrl+A+D will detach , screen -DR will reattach
[11:12] <Vince-0> screens the simplist
[11:13] <magespawn> i think so too from the reading
[11:13] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen
[11:14] <magespawn> or "man screen" to qoute inetpro in absentia
[11:30] <magespawn> screen looks very useful
[11:31] <tumbleweed> screen is very useful
[11:31] <tumbleweed> also look at byobu, if you want an easy-to-use screen
[11:32] <magespawn> does that run on a server?
[11:32] <tumbleweed> it runs wherever you want it to run
[11:32] <magespawn> cool
[11:32]  * magespawn goes to google
[11:33] <tumbleweed> oh, and mosh is worth looking at too, if we are talking about losing ssh connections
[11:41] <magespawn> lmosh is available for most platforms it looks like
[11:41] <magespawn> mosh too
[11:43] <magespawn> amazing what comes up when you search certain things
[11:44] <magespawn> bbl gotta go get shopping
[11:46] <tumbleweed> you do need to run a mosh server, though
[11:47] <tumbleweed> screen/boyobu/tmux are just utilities you run as your user
[11:47]  * tumbleweed uses mosh+screen a lot
[12:16] <magespawn> ty tumbleweed i think i would run screen/boyobu more than mosh
[12:17] <tumbleweed> magespawn: I do a lot of: mosh machine -- screen -DR
[12:19] <tumbleweed> (in fact, the IRC client I'm using is in a screen session, on the other side of a mosh connection, right now)
[12:23] <superfly> tumbleweed: this is your reminder to push OpenLP to Ubuntu as well (if you haven't done it already)
[12:23] <tumbleweed> superfly: already done :)
[12:24] <superfly> w00t!
[12:24] <tumbleweed> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openlp/2.0.1-1
[12:24] <superfly> how long will that take to reach the repos?
[12:25] <magespawn> does anyone ever just set things up to run as many programs as possible to see how far you can take and still have everything work?
[12:25] <superfly> hrm, it says "published 1 hour ago" so perhaps already?
[12:26] <superfly> magespawn: eh?
[12:27] <tumbleweed> yeah, shoudl be there already
[12:27] <charl_> good afternoon
[12:27] <charl_> hi tumbleweed 
[12:27] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[12:27]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[12:27] <magespawn> like doing multiple commands over ssh etc
[12:27] <magespawn> hey charl_
[12:27] <tumbleweed> charl_: o/
[12:27] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[12:27] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure
[12:28]  * superfly tries an "upgrade"
[12:28] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[12:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and magespawn!
[12:32] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[12:32] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[12:33] <charl_> i am getting used to running mint xfce4 on my laptop now, it's quite fast
[12:36] <magespawn> is there much difference from xubuntu?
[12:47] <charl_> it looks quite different, just how's it's been configured though
[12:47] <charl_> i'm sure with some effort you could get the same configuration on xubuntu if you prefer
[12:47] <magespawn> was just wondering
[12:48] <magespawn> i am off home, later all
[12:48] <charl_> you get some extra packages from mint's repositories just like any other mint version
[12:48] <charl_> but i don't think that matters much
[12:48] <charl_> ciao magespawn 
[12:49] <charl_> you get a bunch of stuff but it seems to be mostly ui-related
[12:49] <charl_> http://packages.linuxmint.com/
[15:46] <Kilos> afternoon all
[15:57] <Vince-0> Hii
[16:45] <superfly> naand ion Kilos 
[16:45] <superfly> *oom 
[16:46] <Kilos> lol naand superfly 
[17:19] <inetpro> magespawn: eh
[17:19] <inetpro> superfly: I don't know yet
[17:20] <inetpro> from the description of my gardener it is a red snake
[17:20] <inetpro> that's all I know
[17:21] <inetpro> but he has looked everywhere and I have looked some... we can't find it again
[17:21] <inetpro> but it seems to be around somewhere still
[17:21] <inetpro> coming back again and again... for more eggs
[17:34] <superfly> inetpro: are you sure? most chicken's eggs are way too big for snakes
[18:11] <inetpro> superfly: I'm not 100% sure 
[18:11] <magespawn> evening all
[18:12] <inetpro> superfly: but there are traces of eggshells like it was spat out by a snake
[18:13] <superfly> inetpro: where? close to the hens, or on the other side of the garden?
[18:13] <magespawn> inetpro i do not know of a indigenous red snake
[18:13] <inetpro> in the visinity of the chicken coup
[18:14] <inetpro> vicinity 
[18:14] <superfly> inetpro: unlikely. snakes go away to their nests to digest their food
[18:14] <superfly> inetpro: they find a safe spot and curl up for 2 or 3 days
[18:14] <inetpro> ok
[18:14] <magespawn> egg eaters up chuck the shells after breaking the eggs
[18:15] <magespawn> but chicken eggs are usually too big for them
[18:15] <superfly> yeah, and as magespawn says, a red snake? 
[18:15] <superfly> inetpro: how big are your chicken eggs?
[18:15] <inetpro> well I can't say, I haven't seen anything yet
[18:16] <inetpro> time will hopefully tell 
[18:16] <inetpro> meanwhile the kids have been told to stay away from the area
[18:17] <Kilos> inetpro, the upchucked shells are they still stuck to the inner skin of the egg
[18:17] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:18] <Kilos> and did you try identify the snake with the pics on your fone with the gardener
[18:18] <superfly> magespawn: true, the egg eaters do regurgitate the shells, but it's not usually near the nests... they first go somewhere safe before they do that
[18:18] <inetpro> I actually have not had time to check, even today I was just about out all day
[18:20] <Kilos> also eggs get stolen by mongoose and thrown against rocks or something hard but then they arent all together like snake upchuck
[18:20] <magespawn> things like jayes fluid sprayed around the hen house will discourage the snake
[18:20] <magespawn> maybe something else like a monitor?
[18:20] <Kilos> but normally also carried away then broken
[18:20] <magespawn> #ubuntu-za-wildlife
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <inetpro> sorry, have something else now as well
[18:21]  * inetpro wbb
[18:22] <Kilos> superfly, methinks the gardener has his red mixed up some
[18:22] <Kilos> maybe with brown
[18:22] <Kilos> brownish
[18:23] <superfly> Kilos: I'm guessing so
[18:24] <Kilos> we have killed a 5 ft spitting cobra/rinkhals here with 5 eggs in it but we never find the shells
[18:24] <Kilos> they carted off to nest area
[18:25] <magespawn> there are red snakes, have just had a look, apparently the egg eater has a red-brown morph
[18:26] <Kilos> here in the tvl magespawn 
[18:26] <Kilos> ?
[18:27] <superfly> I've seen cape egg eaters, but they are beige with brown and red, and WAY too small to eat 
[18:29] <Kilos> yeah the pro must ask how big/long the snake was too
[18:30] <magespawn> it says in the west of the range, west half of sa
[18:30] <magespawn> apparently get up to 70cm
[18:30] <Kilos> we to the east of centre
[18:31] <Kilos> if i member right
[18:31] <magespawn> these things are rarely precise
[18:31] <Kilos> oh btw my channel is closed to conserve data hey
[18:32] <magespawn> animals go were they want and do not read the books
[18:32] <Kilos> rofl
[18:32] <magespawn> your channel is still there
[18:33] <Kilos> yes but i mean i havent opened it here or got QA going
[18:33] <Kilos> i didnt kill the channel
[18:33] <magespawn> ah no worries
[18:33] <Kilos> only 5 more days
[18:34] <magespawn> you can make it
[18:39] <Kilos> make what?
[18:39] <Kilos> on maverick here. big pc trying to sort that drive
[18:40] <Kilos> got it wired inna fashion but only shows as a 160g and very corrupt
[18:40] <Kilos> using seatools disk to try fix it
[18:41] <Kilos> gonna take 1 1/2 days to wipe it
[18:41] <Kilos> maybe i got some solder shorting 2 connections. couldnt see lekker
[18:42] <Kilos> too tiny
[18:44] <Kilos> ooo now it says 8 days remaining
[18:44] <Kilos> eeek
[18:45] <magespawn> i meant about making the data last
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: the way he explained to me it must have been about a meter long
[18:46] <inetpro> maybe a bit less
[18:47] <inetpro> then again, if I think about it 1 meter is humongous 
[18:47] <Kilos> oh ya ill make it at 10m a day magespawn 
[18:48] <Kilos> a 1m snake can swallow large eggs
[18:48] <magespawn> maia's poat about the global jam taken fron g+ and her blog http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2013/02/jam-jam-jam-raring.html
[18:54] <Kilos> ja glimlaggie
[18:55] <Kilos> vir altyd
[18:57] <magespawn> bbl
[18:57] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:02] <Symmetria> hrm
[19:02] <Symmetria> anyone else here using mweb?
[19:02] <Symmetria> and noticed that their international bandwidth lately is *screwed*
[19:07] <zeref> indeed
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: a meter long is not that long
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: my snake is about a meter, and it is too small to be able to swallow a chicken egg
[19:12] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:15] <Symmetria> heh, screw it, if Im doing ANYTHING internationally bandwidth intensive I *have* to vpn it now, because mweb international bandwidth is sucking *so* bad lately
[19:15] <Symmetria> can barely hold 250k/second
[19:17] <superfly> inetpro: this is the common egg eater: http://www.thegardeningblog.co.za/barbies-garden/snake-in-the-garden/
[19:17] <superfly> inetpro: as you can see, it is very small, and it's not red
[19:19] <inetpro> superfly: here's one eating an egg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X14DovVIwBs
[19:19] <inetpro> from the following article: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/egg-eating-snakes/
[19:21] <superfly> inetpro: yes, but do you get that snake in SA?
[19:21] <inetpro> I don't think so
[19:22] <inetpro> the link you gave, is that a south african snake?
[19:22] <inetpro> obviously
[19:23] <inetpro> sorry... I had not read the story yet
[19:23] <superfly> inetpro: that appears to be the only egg eater in south africa
[19:23] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:24] <superfly> if you do see it, rather catch it (in a pillow case specifically) and take it to a snake handler in the area
[19:25] <inetpro> ai!
[19:25] <superfly> they have no teeth, so they cannot cause any harm, and are usually extremely docile
[19:25]  * inetpro won't come near it
[19:25] <superfly> inetpro: I have a snake with teeth, and it doesn't bite me
[19:26] <superfly> inetpro: seriously? what have you got to be scared of?
[19:26] <superfly> inetpro: I'll tell you what: *nothing*
[19:26] <inetpro> just the thought
[19:27] <superfly> it cannot bite you, if you catch it in a pillow case it will calm down immediately and won't move much until you let it out again
[19:27] <inetpro> may be even a phobia against snakes
[19:27] <superfly> smakes *love* (empty) pillowc ases
[19:27] <superfly> *pillow cases
[19:28] <superfly> inetpro: it is a false phobia caused by the idiots in the media, and idiots in the church
[19:28] <inetpro> superfly: no
[19:29] <inetpro> I've seen way to many of them on the farm, as a kid
[19:30] <inetpro> before the big media and TV
[19:32] <smile4ever> bye :)
[19:32] <smile4ever> good night