| === Lump|AFK is now known as Lumpy | ||
| shai_halud | helloooo -R... if there is a quick and simple way to make programs in ubuntu work, someone lay it on meeverything i attempt gets an error of some kind, mostly due to something called JACK | 04:07 |
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| shai_halud | er, ubuntu-studio, of course | 04:07 |
| holstein | shai_halud: yes.. what are you trying to do? | 04:09 |
| shai_halud | anything will do...hehe. i can get nothing to work besides lmms and audacity | 04:09 |
| holstein | shai_halud: sure, but what are you trying to do? | 04:09 |
| shai_halud | make music | 04:09 |
| holstein | you might not need it.. or want it | 04:09 |
| shai_halud | synth music | 04:10 |
| holstein | JACK is not trivial, and not necessary to "make music" | 04:10 |
| shai_halud | oh | 04:10 |
| shai_halud | ok | 04:10 |
| shai_halud | working on an lmms tute atm | 04:10 |
| holstein | you can do a lot with lmms and audacity | 04:10 |
| shai_halud | yeah | 04:10 |
| holstein | i would /join opensourcemusicans | 04:10 |
| holstein | you can search around about using JACK | 04:10 |
| shai_halud | i am getting the feeling i didn't need an entire distro, but it was too enticing | 04:10 |
| holstein | JACK is something you start, and it "takes over" | 04:11 |
| shai_halud | hm | 04:11 |
| holstein | you open the jack control panel and try hitting start, and share error messages | 04:11 |
| holstein | qjackctl | 04:11 |
| holstein | try that, and let me know if you have any errors | 04:11 |
| shai_halud | one sec | 04:12 |
| shai_halud | http://pastebin.ca/2316771 | 04:13 |
| shai_halud | looks like a bunch of things are not as they should be | 04:14 |
| shai_halud | i think i would like to start things as services | 04:14 |
| holstein | shai_halud: no.. you dont run JACK like that | 04:15 |
| shai_halud | anything that needs to be running all the time for the various programs i might want to try | 04:15 |
| holstein | shai_halud: close everything and open a terminal | 04:15 |
| holstein | run.. gksudo qjackctl | 04:15 |
| holstein | try starting JACK as root termporarily with that command to troubleshoot | 04:15 |
| shai_halud | k | 04:15 |
| shai_halud | ok. it opened... hit start? | 04:16 |
| holstein | yup | 04:16 |
| holstein | and share errors as you did | 04:16 |
| shai_halud | none | 04:17 |
| holstein | interesting... | 04:17 |
| shai_halud | appears fine | 04:17 |
| shai_halud | shut it down and try again with user privs? | 04:17 |
| holstein | shai_halud: is this an ubuntustudio install? | 04:17 |
| shai_halud | yes hdd install | 04:18 |
| holstein | or did you add the packages? | 04:18 |
| shai_halud | wouldn't run in vbox | 04:18 |
| holstein | shai_halud: will you try adding yourself to the audio group please | 04:18 |
| shai_halud | only one i added was lmms | 04:18 |
| holstein | sudo adduser you audio | 04:18 |
| shai_halud | oh | 04:18 |
| shai_halud | ok one jiffy | 04:18 |
| holstein | it should already be that way... | 04:19 |
| shai_halud | yes | 04:19 |
| holstein | yeah, lets try again as normal user.. you dont want to run it as root.. | 04:19 |
| shai_halud | right | 04:19 |
| shai_halud | same errors | 04:20 |
| holstein | interesting... | 04:20 |
| shai_halud | and that is what i kept running into with each program i tried to start, and each time i attempted to start jack | 04:20 |
| shai_halud | all errors about jack | 04:21 |
| shai_halud | well, and a few others, as you saw | 04:21 |
| holstein | some of them wont start without JACK | 04:21 |
| shai_halud | right. i noticed | 04:21 |
| shai_halud | can't get a sound out of virtual keyboard even | 04:21 |
| holstein | shai_halud: you can do "ps aux | grep jack" and check, but it shouldnt be running | 04:22 |
| shai_halud | i noticed the midi hookup thing, and experimented with it, to no avail | 04:22 |
| holstein | shai_halud: virtual keyboard makes no sounds | 04:22 |
| shai_halud | huh? | 04:22 |
| holstein | its just a keyboard. you connect it to a sound module | 04:22 |
| shai_halud | that's what i meant. i tried to | 04:22 |
| holstein | yeah, but you dont have jack running to route anything | 04:23 |
| holstein | check and see if jack is running somewhere | 04:23 |
| shai_halud | hm. it does appear to be | 04:23 |
| shai_halud | i don't understand output. one sec | 04:23 |
| holstein | shai_halud: well, just kill it all | 04:24 |
| shai_halud | http://pastebin.ca/2316775 | 04:24 |
| holstein | or, restart if you dont feel comforatble, and come here *before* trying apps | 04:24 |
| shai_halud | i feel comfortable ... killall jack ? | 04:25 |
| shai_halud | killall -9 jack? | 04:25 |
| shai_halud | i forget how to run that | 04:25 |
| holstein | sudo killall or that ^^ whatever | 04:25 |
| holstein | kill -9 pid | 04:25 |
| shai_halud | in system monitor i am only showing jackdbus and jmcore | 04:28 |
| shai_halud | kill jackdbus? | 04:29 |
| holstein | shai_halud: i would | 04:29 |
| shai_halud | ok, that's dead. do you know if jmcore is related? | 04:30 |
| holstein | shai_halud: i dont think so.. lets try jack as normal user | 04:30 |
| shai_halud | same error | 04:30 |
| shai_halud | s | 04:30 |
| shai_halud | got some warnings, but they're just for language support | 04:31 |
| shai_halud | arning: no translation found for 'en_US' locale: /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_en_US.qm | 04:31 |
| shai_halud | Warning: no translation found for 'en_US' locale: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.qm | 04:31 |
| shai_halud | that shouldn't be of any significant consequence, should it? | 04:32 |
| holstein | nah.. its something else | 04:32 |
| holstein | shai_halud: its not trivial | 04:32 |
| holstein | i sould /join #opensourcemusicians and just start fiddling | 04:32 |
| holstein | would* | 04:32 |
| shai_halud | k | 04:32 |
| shai_halud | thanks | 04:32 |
| holstein | shai_halud: you can try looking in "setup", untick "realtime".. but that shouldnt matter | 04:34 |
| holstein | the fact that it starts as root makes me think its permissions | 04:34 |
| === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK | ||
| === Lump|AFK is now known as Lumpy | ||
| === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK | ||
| TheGrey | o/ | 13:17 |
| TheGrey | I have a M-audio 2496. In pavucontrol with ICE 1712 selected, I see the input volume jump up and down. But I here no audio..What can I do? | 13:18 |
| TheGrey | o/ I have a M-audio 2496. In pavucontrol with ICE 1712 selected, I see the input volume jump up and down. But I here no audio..What can I do? | 13:26 |
| TheGrey | 13:26 | |
| sam123 | Hi | 15:12 |
| smartboyhw | sam123, hi | 15:14 |
| sam123 | How do I stop the "crash report detected" icon and reminder from appearing until I get another crash report? | 15:14 |
| sam123 | Just delete the crash report? | 15:15 |
| smartboyhw | sam123, um... This is rather a more Xfce-generic question. Go to #xubuntu | 15:17 |
| sam123 | OK | 15:17 |
| whoo | I just install updates automatically, without paying and mind. It seems a few updates ago , I assume that would be the reason that now I have l;ost the ability to change desktop wallpapers and the default is like a cobalt blue | 18:35 |
| len-1304 | whoo, That doesn't make sense. | 18:36 |
| whoo | It's weird | 18:36 |
| len-1304 | Which version? | 18:36 |
| whoo | 12.10 or .04 | 18:36 |
| whoo | 12.10 | 18:37 |
| len-1304 | My 12.04 still has its BG. But I haven't tried to change it. | 18:37 |
| len-1304 | In the settings app can you see the back grounds available? | 18:38 |
| len-1304 | it would be in the settings manager->Desktop part, first tab. | 18:39 |
| whoo | When I right click for Change desktop background it brings up System Settings full screen | 18:39 |
| whoo | Yes desktop manager shows the wallpapers | 18:40 |
| whoo | when I access though the main menu | 18:40 |
| whoo | through | 18:40 |
| len-1304 | under "Image" there are three check boxes. You want the top one "single" | 18:41 |
| whoo | yep | 18:41 |
| whoo | clicking on any of the images does nadda | 18:41 |
| len-1304 | It sounds like some app is not auto starting. | 18:42 |
| whoo | Can I access Startup Options ? | 18:43 |
| len-1304 | settings manger -> Session and strtup | 18:44 |
| len-1304 | *Startup | 18:44 |
| len-1304 | I am sorry, I don't know which app takes care of the desk background | 18:45 |
| whoo | Nothing that I can see stands out | 18:45 |
| len-1304 | Well, you could reset things by removing .config/xfce4 and maybe .cache/sessions | 18:49 |
| len-1304 | You may have to be at the logout screen and use atl-ctl-f1 to do that though. | 18:50 |
| whoo | I am not familiar wit removing tings | 18:50 |
| whoo | things | 18:50 |
| whoo | Theres a new ubuntu, doe s | 18:51 |
| len-1304 | from a terminal use: | 18:51 |
| whoo | ok | 18:51 |
| len-1304 | rm -r .config/xfce4 | 18:51 |
| len-1304 | rm -r .cache/sessions | 18:51 |
| len-1304 | The first one should work while logged into the session, but the second one might get rewriten on logout :( | 18:53 |
| whoo | do I have to logout first ? | 18:53 |
| whoo | ok | 18:53 |
| whoo | so...pull up term and issue fist command only ? | 18:54 |
| len-1304 | You would have to logout and in to see any change though | 18:54 |
| whoo | first | 18:54 |
| len-1304 | sure | 18:54 |
| whoo | or should I do both commands then logout ? | 18:55 |
| len-1304 | You can try either way . | 18:56 |
| len-1304 | I just thought of something. In settings manager -> Session and STartup->General make sure the Automatically save session on logout is unchecked. | 18:58 |
| len-1304 | I just thought of something. In settings manager -> Session and STartup->General make sure the Automatically save session on logout is unchecked. | 18:58 |
| whoo | That was the case...unchecked | 18:59 |
| whoo | Done | 18:59 |
| len-1304 | Do you have a bg? | 18:59 |
| whoo | Yep | 18:59 |
| whoo | the same one that I had | 18:59 |
| len-1304 | blank? | 18:59 |
| whoo | no..the one that went away...is now back | 19:00 |
| whoo | \It worked | 19:00 |
| len-1304 | Good. | 19:00 |
| whoo | Thanks | 19:00 |
| whoo | Iwonder what caused it, prolly an update of some kind huh? | 19:00 |
| len-1304 | It seems to me I had that happen once. way back. I have been using 12.04 for almost a year now daily. | 19:01 |
| whoo | nice...making music ? | 19:01 |
| len-1304 | SO hopefully you will not see it again. | 19:01 |
| len-1304 | A little. I don't seem to have the time right now. | 19:02 |
| whoo | I am gonna make a note with the commands you shared | 19:02 |
| whoo | You use studio anyway though ? | 19:02 |
| len-1304 | I do testing so I use it so I find anything bad through daily use. On this machine I have 13.04 for testing right now. | 19:03 |
| whoo | I do like Xfce with nautilus myself | 19:03 |
| len-1304 | I run the audio apps to see what works, but I am not right now doing any serious recording. | 19:03 |
| whoo | So you are an ubuntu employeee? | 19:04 |
| len-1304 | nautilus in 12.04 and 12.10 is nice. Yuck in 13.04 | 19:04 |
| whoo | really...why ? | 19:04 |
| len-1304 | No just a volunteer. UStudio is all volunteer work. | 19:05 |
| len-1304 | nautilus for 13.04 is the new "files" version. It sort of looks like chrome. | 19:05 |
| whoo | My only prob with nautilus is the need to add an 'open as admin' script | 19:05 |
| whoo | oh...I never took to chrome | 19:06 |
| len-1304 | it is missing some things like a good search | 19:06 |
| len-1304 | one of the tree view modes is gone too | 19:06 |
| whoo | extra pane ? | 19:06 |
| len-1304 | We have actually switched to thunar/catfish for 13.04 to get some functionality. | 19:07 |
| len-1304 | Anyway the user can still install nautilus if they want it. | 19:07 |
| whoo | catfish being the text editor ? | 19:07 |
| len-1304 | catfish is a search utility | 19:08 |
| whoo | oh...ok | 19:08 |
| len-1304 | gedit is the editor. | 19:08 |
| whoo | I guess i shouldlearn to use a search utility | 19:08 |
| len-1304 | It is not needed for a lot of uses. | 19:09 |
| len-1304 | but it sure is nice for tracking down system files. | 19:09 |
| whoo | I have yet to plug in a microphone... so i am a little slow having used a Tascam cassette recorder a few years back | 19:09 |
| len-1304 | I had a Yamaha 4 track cassette back when | 19:10 |
| len-1304 | Then an R8 open reel | 19:10 |
| whoo | Got any tips on where to start ? | 19:10 |
| len-1304 | digital is much easier. | 19:11 |
| len-1304 | Depends on wht you want to do. | 19:11 |
| whoo | Guitar bass drums 2 or 3 voives...simple stuff | 19:11 |
| whoo | voices | 19:11 |
| whoo | extra guitar | 19:12 |
| len-1304 | if you do keyboard at all, qtracktor might work well for you, I do all audio stuff so I use ardour | 19:12 |
| whoo | I have no keyboard skills | 19:12 |
| len-1304 | I seem to use mostly one audio in at a time. | 19:12 |
| len-1304 | I don't either :) | 19:12 |
| whoo | then record it and list to it for the next instrument ? | 19:13 |
| whoo | with a metronome or something ticking away there ? | 19:13 |
| len-1304 | I start by recording just a vocal/voice track as scratch. the while listening to that I record another track. in the end I remove the first track. | 19:13 |
| whoo | voice with one instrument ? | 19:13 |
| whoo | first track ? | 19:14 |
| len-1304 | I sometimes us hydrogen to give me a beat to follow. | 19:14 |
| len-1304 | Ya usually me singing with a guitar | 19:14 |
| whoo | right...I had ..or have an alesiss that I used | 19:14 |
| whoo | for a drum sound for timing | 19:15 |
| len-1304 | Whatever works for you. There are lots of ways of doing things | 19:15 |
| whoo | True...I just have to read up on it and do it | 19:15 |
| len-1304 | Synth people tend to build up the beat and background first on keys and then start adding live instruments and voice. | 19:16 |
| whoo | Yep...but that's not me. I am unplugged....so to speak | 19:17 |
| whoo | plugged but i=unplugged | 19:17 |
| len-1304 | Anyway, I have to go. I'll talk to you later. | 19:18 |
| whoo | k thanks see you | 19:19 |
| studio-user617 | greetings -R... doing ubuntu studio reinstall here, seems hung on "restoring proviously installed packages". been at same progress for about 10 minutes. anything i can do besides wait? | 20:07 |
| studio-user617 | anyone here? | 20:12 |
| zequence | studio-user617: I don't recognize that step during install. | 20:12 |
| studio-user617 | it's a re-install | 20:13 |
| studio-user617 | i was offline when i installled the first time, so i tried again with connection | 20:13 |
| studio-user617 | selected re-install. it is still hung. about 20 minutes now | 20:13 |
| sSs | backup your data and wipe it | 20:13 |
| sSs | tehst the ISO first | 20:14 |
| sSs | could be a bad install media | 20:14 |
| studio-user617 | did that already | 20:14 |
| sSs | then wipe it | 20:14 |
| studio-user617 | might as well. nothing i need to save here | 20:14 |
| studio-user617 | alright | 20:14 |
| zequence | studio-user617: Why are you reinstalling? If you installed without connection, you should be fine just updateing | 20:15 |
| studio-user617 | hm | 20:15 |
| studio-user617 | you would think so | 20:15 |
| sSs | every time i've had issues with that step it was bad install media | 20:16 |
| zequence | studio-user617: usb stick, or DVD? | 20:16 |
| sSs | ISO was good, USB was bad | 20:16 |
| studio-user617 | usb | 20:16 |
| studio-user617 | unetbootin / iso>usb | 20:16 |
| studio-user617 | got no blank dvd's | 20:17 |
| zequence | I prefer usb | 20:17 |
| studio-user617 | likewise | 20:17 |
| zequence | sSs: I passed the A+ exam, btw | 20:23 |
| sSs | lol | 20:41 |
| sSs | naw couldnt have | 20:41 |
| zequence | sSs: I was sort of worried about the second part, as I don't use Windows, and there was a lot of questions about that. Also, some questions were never answered in the book, so that was kind of unfair | 20:57 |
| sSs | for the most part all the tests revolve around windows | 20:58 |
| zequence | Well, all the Windows related tests anyway | 21:00 |
| zequence | I can see why one would include that in A+, but would be surprised to be asked about Windows tools on a Linux+ exam | 21:00 |
| sSs | there are windows questions on linnux+ as well. you gotta know how to support windows as its the primary business OS. | 21:05 |
| sSs | it would be a good idea to download evaluation copies of windows pro n server n play around with client server stuff. like i said everything revolves around windows | 21:08 |
| sSs | microsoft provides demo copies of just about everything | 21:31 |
| zequence | mm, yeah. I've already got some Win OSs just for the purpose of studying them | 21:53 |
| alexandros | Dear Community of Ubuntu Studio | 22:58 |
| alexandros | first of all I am glad to be here | 22:58 |
| alexandros | :) | 22:58 |
| alexandros | It is my first time ever using IRC | 22:58 |
| alexandros | and the reason I am here today is that I would need your help and experience on problems I have with my fresh install Ubuntu studio 12.10 | 22:59 |
| GridCube | ask away | 22:59 |
| alexandros | Hi, actually I have just installed yesterday ubuntu studio on my pc - 2 hard disks, on one disk installed studio and on the other I had Kubuntu 12.04 and Win XP (broken outdated system) | 23:01 |
| GridCube | mmhm | 23:02 |
| alexandros | however I have problems with the ubuntu studio | 23:02 |
| alexandros | the desktopt freezes often | 23:02 |
| alexandros | I cannot even restart the computer | 23:02 |
| alexandros | I have messages of "I/O error..." | 23:03 |
| sSs | hard drive is bad or the cable the drive uses or there is a controller problem | 23:03 |
| alexandros | as I am a noob, I would highly appreciate any help | 23:03 |
| GridCube | that could be a reason, yes | 23:03 |
| GridCube | the hard drive might be faulty, or the power source, or the mobo might have a faulty capacitor | 23:04 |
| alexandros | actually even during the installation process the installer would freeze sometimes with black sreen and messages of input/output error and then would have to start allover again | 23:04 |
| GridCube | mmhm sounds like faulty hardware | 23:05 |
| alexandros | is there a way to really test this? for instance test the hard disk...? or how should I start investigating? :) | 23:06 |
| sSs | try changing cables on the hard drive, then check ther drives SMART logs to see if it can tell you what is wrong | 23:07 |
| alexandros | this is strange, because when I tried ubuntu studio from the live cd everything looked to be perfect, but after I tried to install on my second hard drive (not the one that runs Kubuntu)..problems | 23:07 |
| zequence | alexandros: The live DVD is just that, live. It will run even if you have no hard drive at all | 23:08 |
| GridCube | then, asl sSs points, migh be a hard disk issue, if after that the hd install its being silly | 23:08 |
| zequence | alexandros: Sounds very much like the harddrive you are isntalling to is breaking | 23:08 |
| alexandros | zequence: thanks didnt know that :) | 23:08 |
| GridCube | alexandros, you can also run some fsck on the disks | 23:09 |
| zequence | alexandros: While booting to Kubuntu, use disk utility, or whatever it's called on KDE. Look for "smart". That deals with hard disk health | 23:09 |
| alexandros | sSs: what are the "SMART" logs, where do I find them? | 23:10 |
| zequence | alexandros: I mean, when on Kubuntu, not "botting into".. | 23:10 |
| zequence | alexandros: There are tools for running hard disk tests. I think a gui disk utility app might be the easiest | 23:11 |
| GridCube | !info smartmontools | 23:11 |
| ubottu | smartmontools (source: smartmontools): control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.43-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 447 kB, installed size 1206 kB | 23:11 |
| alexandros | OK, this I understood, I 'll try later to boot in Kubuntu and use the disk utility.. | 23:12 |
| alexandros | in the case that I see any kind of errors, would that practically mean that this hard drive is "for the waste bin"? | 23:13 |
| alexandros | or at least it would mean to not install operating systems there, I suppose...:) | 23:14 |
| zequence | alexandros: Well, I would not use it for anything important anyway | 23:14 |
| alexandros | well, I guess if there is no other feedback for the moment, I should start checking cables and testing the hard disk! Thanks a lot for the input, this is very helpful. | 23:17 |
| alexandros | Most likely I 'll be back after those tests, See you! | 23:18 |
| zequence | I started becoming nervous that my older hard drive was getting unreliable when I was working with a git repo | 23:18 |
| zequence | Apparently, if there's even the slightest amount of corruption in a git repo, I mean, one 0 in the wrong place, it'll error | 23:19 |
| alexandros | hm...should any new formatting of the disk do any good, or is it an irreversible situation? | 23:20 |
| packetfrog | My dpkg/selinux/vmlinuz is trowing errors when installing unetbootin and others tried purge -f install installl http://pastebin.com/xaZie6yX any ideas? | 23:21 |
| sSs | a disk diagnostic will tell you if the drive is bad (but you still want to try a known good cable on it to rule that out) | 23:21 |
| alexandros | sSs: thanks! | 23:22 |
| sSs | IDE cables are notorious for going bad just from being bent. also the outer layer if insulation easily comes off | 23:23 |
| alexandros | sSs: it is a SATA disk | 23:23 |
| alexandros | :) | 23:23 |
| sSs | also with IDE there is "cable creep" it can unplug itself over time just from warming up and cooling down. make sure its plugged in snugly | 23:24 |
| sSs | k | 23:24 |
| sSs | old SATA can also unplug itself from cable creep | 23:25 |
| alexandros | Actually, I must say that I have changed a case some weeks ago, it sounds that could be possible that I messed up something in there (in the motherboard)... | 23:26 |
| alexandros | anyway... | 23:27 |
| sSs | a port could be bad. that you can test by using a diff plug | 23:27 |
| alexandros | thanks sSs | 23:28 |
| alexandros | I go testing :) see you after the tests ... and many thanks already! | 23:29 |
| sSs | hopefully its something easy | 23:29 |
| alexandros | I wish for it, thanks | 23:30 |
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