[04:07] <shai_halud> helloooo -R... if there is a quick and simple way to make programs in ubuntu work, someone lay it on meeverything i attempt gets an error of some kind, mostly due to something called JACK
[04:07] <shai_halud> er, ubuntu-studio, of course
[04:09] <holstein> shai_halud: yes.. what are you trying to do?
[04:09] <shai_halud> anything will do...hehe. i can get nothing to work besides lmms and audacity
[04:09] <holstein> shai_halud: sure, but what are you trying to do?
[04:09] <shai_halud> make music
[04:09] <holstein> you might not need it.. or want it
[04:10] <shai_halud> synth music
[04:10] <holstein> JACK is not trivial, and not necessary to "make music"
[04:10] <shai_halud> oh
[04:10] <shai_halud>  ok
[04:10] <shai_halud> working on an lmms tute atm
[04:10] <holstein> you can do a lot with lmms and audacity
[04:10] <shai_halud> yeah
[04:10] <holstein> i would /join opensourcemusicans
[04:10] <holstein> you can search around about using JACK
[04:10] <shai_halud> i am getting the feeling i didn't need an entire distro, but it was too enticing
[04:11] <holstein> JACK is something you start, and it "takes over"
[04:11] <shai_halud> hm
[04:11] <holstein> you open the jack control panel and try hitting start, and share error messages
[04:11] <holstein> qjackctl
[04:11] <holstein> try that, and let me know if you have any errors
[04:12] <shai_halud> one sec
[04:13] <shai_halud> http://pastebin.ca/2316771
[04:14] <shai_halud> looks like a bunch of things are not as they should be
[04:14] <shai_halud>  i think i would like to start things as services
[04:15] <holstein> shai_halud: no.. you dont run JACK like that
[04:15] <shai_halud> anything that needs to be running all the time for the various programs i might want to try
[04:15] <holstein> shai_halud: close everything and open a terminal
[04:15] <holstein> run.. gksudo qjackctl
[04:15] <holstein> try starting JACK as root termporarily with that command to troubleshoot
[04:15] <shai_halud> k
[04:16] <shai_halud> ok. it opened... hit start?
[04:16] <holstein> yup
[04:16] <holstein> and share errors as you did
[04:17] <shai_halud> none
[04:17] <holstein> interesting...
[04:17] <shai_halud> appears fine
[04:17] <shai_halud> shut it down and try again with user privs?
[04:17] <holstein> shai_halud: is this an ubuntustudio install?
[04:18] <shai_halud> yes hdd install
[04:18] <holstein> or did you add the packages?
[04:18] <shai_halud> wouldn't run in vbox
[04:18] <holstein> shai_halud: will you try adding yourself to the audio group please
[04:18] <shai_halud> only one i added was lmms
[04:18] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[04:18] <shai_halud> oh
[04:18] <shai_halud> ok one jiffy
[04:19] <holstein> it should already be that way...
[04:19] <shai_halud> yes
[04:19] <holstein> yeah, lets try again as normal user.. you dont want to run it as root..
[04:19] <shai_halud> right
[04:20] <shai_halud> same errors
[04:20] <holstein> interesting...
[04:20] <shai_halud> and that is what i kept running into with each program i tried to start, and each time i attempted to start jack
[04:21] <shai_halud> all errors about jack
[04:21] <shai_halud> well, and a few others, as you saw
[04:21] <holstein> some of them wont start without JACK
[04:21] <shai_halud> right. i noticed
[04:21] <shai_halud> can't get a sound out of virtual keyboard even
[04:22] <holstein> shai_halud: you can do "ps aux | grep jack" and check, but it shouldnt be running
[04:22] <shai_halud> i noticed the midi hookup thing, and experimented with it, to no avail
[04:22] <holstein> shai_halud: virtual keyboard makes no sounds
[04:22] <shai_halud> huh?
[04:22] <holstein> its just a keyboard. you connect it to a sound module
[04:22] <shai_halud> that's what i meant. i tried to
[04:23] <holstein> yeah, but you dont have jack running to route anything
[04:23] <holstein> check and see if jack is running somewhere
[04:23] <shai_halud> hm. it does appear to be
[04:23] <shai_halud> i don't understand output. one sec
[04:24] <holstein> shai_halud: well, just kill it all
[04:24] <shai_halud> http://pastebin.ca/2316775
[04:24] <holstein> or, restart if you dont feel comforatble, and come here *before* trying apps
[04:25] <shai_halud> i feel comfortable ... killall jack   ?
[04:25] <shai_halud> killall -9 jack?
[04:25] <shai_halud> i forget how to run that
[04:25] <holstein> sudo killall or that ^^ whatever
[04:25] <holstein> kill -9 pid
[04:28] <shai_halud> in system monitor i am only showing jackdbus and jmcore
[04:29] <shai_halud> kill jackdbus?
[04:29] <holstein> shai_halud: i would
[04:30] <shai_halud> ok, that's dead. do you know if jmcore is related?
[04:30] <holstein> shai_halud: i dont think so.. lets try jack as normal user
[04:30] <shai_halud> same error
[04:30] <shai_halud> s
[04:31] <shai_halud> got some warnings, but they're just for language support
[04:31] <shai_halud> arning: no translation found for 'en_US' locale: /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_en_US.qm
[04:31] <shai_halud> Warning: no translation found for 'en_US' locale: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.qm
[04:32] <shai_halud> that shouldn't be of any significant consequence, should it?
[04:32] <holstein> nah.. its something else
[04:32] <holstein> shai_halud: its not trivial
[04:32] <holstein> i sould /join #opensourcemusicians and just start fiddling
[04:32] <holstein> would*
[04:32] <shai_halud> k
[04:32] <shai_halud> thanks
[04:34] <holstein> shai_halud: you can try looking in "setup", untick "realtime".. but that shouldnt matter
[04:34] <holstein> the fact that it starts as root makes me think its permissions
[13:17] <TheGrey> o/
[13:18] <TheGrey> I have a M-audio 2496. In pavucontrol with ICE 1712 selected, I see the input volume jump up and down. But I here no audio..What can I do?
[13:26] <TheGrey> o/ I have a M-audio 2496. In pavucontrol with ICE 1712 selected, I see the input volume jump up and down. But I here no audio..What can I do?
[13:26] <TheGrey>  
[15:12] <sam123> Hi
[15:14] <smartboyhw> sam123, hi
[15:14] <sam123> How do I stop the "crash report detected" icon and reminder from appearing until I get another crash report?
[15:15] <sam123> Just delete the crash report?
[15:17] <smartboyhw> sam123, um... This is rather a more Xfce-generic question. Go to #xubuntu
[15:17] <sam123> OK
[18:35] <whoo> I just install updates automatically, without paying and mind. It seems a few updates ago , I assume that would be the reason that now I have l;ost the ability to change desktop wallpapers and the default is like a cobalt blue
[18:36] <len-1304> whoo, That doesn't make sense.
[18:36] <whoo> It's weird
[18:36] <len-1304> Which version?
[18:36] <whoo> 12.10 or .04
[18:37] <whoo> 12.10
[18:37] <len-1304> My 12.04 still has its BG. But I haven't tried to change it.
[18:38] <len-1304> In the settings app can you see the back grounds available?
[18:39] <len-1304> it would be in the settings manager->Desktop part, first tab.
[18:39] <whoo> When I right click  for Change desktop background it brings up System Settings full screen
[18:40] <whoo> Yes desktop manager shows the wallpapers
[18:40] <whoo> when I access though the main menu
[18:40] <whoo> through
[18:41] <len-1304> under "Image" there are three check boxes. You want the top one "single"
[18:41] <whoo> yep
[18:41] <whoo> clicking on any of the images does nadda
[18:42] <len-1304> It sounds like some app is not auto starting.
[18:43] <whoo> Can I access Startup Options ?
[18:44] <len-1304> settings manger -> Session and strtup
[18:44] <len-1304> *Startup
[18:45] <len-1304> I am sorry, I don't know which app takes care of the desk background
[18:45] <whoo> Nothing that I can see stands out
[18:49] <len-1304> Well, you could reset things by removing .config/xfce4 and maybe .cache/sessions
[18:50] <len-1304> You may have to be at the logout screen and use atl-ctl-f1 to do that though.
[18:50] <whoo> I am not familiar wit removing tings
[18:50] <whoo> things
[18:51] <whoo> Theres a new ubuntu, doe s
[18:51] <len-1304> from a terminal use:
[18:51] <whoo> ok
[18:51] <len-1304> rm -r .config/xfce4
[18:51] <len-1304> rm -r .cache/sessions
[18:53] <len-1304> The first one should work while logged into the session, but the second one might get rewriten on logout :(
[18:53] <whoo> do I have to logout first ?
[18:53] <whoo> ok
[18:54] <whoo> so...pull up term and issue fist command only ?
[18:54] <len-1304> You would have to logout and in to see any change though
[18:54] <whoo> first
[18:54] <len-1304> sure
[18:55] <whoo> or should I do both commands then logout ?
[18:56] <len-1304> You can try either way .
[18:58] <len-1304> I just thought of something. In settings manager -> Session and STartup->General make sure the Automatically save session on logout is unchecked.
[18:58] <len-1304> I just thought of something. In settings manager -> Session and STartup->General make sure the Automatically save session on logout is unchecked.
[18:59] <whoo> That was the case...unchecked
[18:59] <whoo> Done
[18:59] <len-1304> Do you have a bg?
[18:59] <whoo> Yep
[18:59] <whoo> the same one that I had
[18:59] <len-1304> blank?
[19:00] <whoo> no..the one that went away...is now back
[19:00] <whoo> \It worked
[19:00] <len-1304> Good.
[19:00] <whoo> Thanks
[19:00] <whoo> Iwonder what caused it, prolly an update of some kind huh?
[19:01] <len-1304> It seems to me I had that happen once. way back. I have been using 12.04 for almost a year now daily.
[19:01] <whoo> nice...making music ?
[19:01] <len-1304> SO hopefully you will not see it again.
[19:02] <len-1304> A little. I don't seem to have the time right now.
[19:02] <whoo> I am gonna make a note with the commands you shared
[19:02] <whoo> You use studio anyway though ?
[19:03] <len-1304> I do testing so I use it so I find anything bad through daily use. On this machine I have 13.04 for testing right now.
[19:03] <whoo> I do like Xfce with nautilus myself
[19:03] <len-1304> I run the audio apps to see what works, but I am not right now doing any serious recording.
[19:04] <whoo> So you are an ubuntu employeee?
[19:04] <len-1304> nautilus in 12.04 and 12.10 is nice. Yuck in 13.04
[19:04] <whoo> really...why ?
[19:05] <len-1304> No just a volunteer. UStudio is all volunteer work.
[19:05] <len-1304> nautilus for 13.04 is the new "files" version. It sort of looks like chrome.
[19:05] <whoo> My only prob with nautilus is the need to add an 'open as admin' script
[19:06] <whoo> oh...I never took to chrome
[19:06] <len-1304> it is missing some things like a good search
[19:06] <len-1304> one of the tree view modes is gone too
[19:06] <whoo> extra pane ?
[19:07] <len-1304> We have actually switched to thunar/catfish for 13.04 to get some functionality.
[19:07] <len-1304> Anyway the user can still install nautilus if they want it.
[19:07] <whoo> catfish being the text editor ?
[19:08] <len-1304> catfish is a search utility
[19:08] <whoo> oh...ok
[19:08] <len-1304> gedit is the editor.
[19:08] <whoo> I guess i shouldlearn to use a search utility
[19:09] <len-1304> It is not needed for a lot of uses.
[19:09] <len-1304> but it sure is nice for tracking down system files.
[19:09] <whoo> I have yet to plug in a microphone... so  i am a little slow having used a Tascam cassette recorder a few years back
[19:10] <len-1304> I had a Yamaha 4 track cassette back when
[19:10] <len-1304> Then an R8 open reel
[19:10] <whoo> Got any tips on where to start ?
[19:11] <len-1304> digital is much easier.
[19:11] <len-1304> Depends on wht you want to do.
[19:11] <whoo> Guitar bass drums 2 or  3 voives...simple stuff
[19:11] <whoo> voices
[19:12] <whoo> extra guitar
[19:12] <len-1304> if you do keyboard at all, qtracktor might work well for you, I do all audio stuff so I use ardour
[19:12] <whoo> I have no keyboard skills
[19:12] <len-1304> I seem to use mostly one audio in at a time.
[19:12] <len-1304> I don't either :)
[19:13] <whoo> then record it and list to it for the next instrument ?
[19:13] <whoo> with a metronome or something ticking away there ?
[19:13] <len-1304> I start by recording just a vocal/voice track as scratch. the while listening to that I record another track. in the end I remove the first track.
[19:13] <whoo> voice with one instrument ?
[19:14] <whoo> first track ?
[19:14] <len-1304> I sometimes us hydrogen to give me a beat to follow.
[19:14] <len-1304> Ya usually me singing with a guitar
[19:14] <whoo> right...I had ..or have an alesiss that I used
[19:15] <whoo> for a drum sound  for timing
[19:15] <len-1304> Whatever works for you. There are lots of ways of doing things
[19:15] <whoo> True...I just have to read up on it and do it
[19:16] <len-1304> Synth people tend to build up the beat and background first on keys and then start adding live instruments and voice.
[19:17] <whoo> Yep...but that's not me. I am unplugged....so to speak
[19:17] <whoo> plugged but i=unplugged
[19:18] <len-1304> Anyway, I have to go. I'll talk to you later.
[19:19] <whoo> k thanks see you
[20:07] <studio-user617> greetings -R... doing ubuntu studio reinstall here, seems hung on "restoring proviously installed packages". been at same progress for about 10 minutes. anything i can do besides wait?
[20:12] <studio-user617> anyone here?
[20:12] <zequence> studio-user617: I don't recognize that step during install.
[20:13] <studio-user617> it's a re-install
[20:13] <studio-user617> i was offline when i installled the first time, so i tried again with connection
[20:13] <studio-user617> selected re-install. it is still hung. about 20 minutes now
[20:13] <sSs> backup your data and wipe it
[20:14] <sSs> tehst the ISO first
[20:14] <sSs> could be a bad install media
[20:14] <studio-user617> did that already
[20:14] <sSs> then wipe it
[20:14] <studio-user617> might as well. nothing i need to save here
[20:14] <studio-user617> alright
[20:15] <zequence> studio-user617: Why are you reinstalling? If you installed without connection, you should be fine just updateing
[20:15] <studio-user617> hm
[20:15] <studio-user617> you would think so
[20:16] <sSs> every time i've had issues with that step it was bad install media
[20:16] <zequence> studio-user617: usb stick, or DVD?
[20:16] <sSs> ISO was good, USB was bad
[20:16] <studio-user617> usb
[20:16] <studio-user617> unetbootin / iso>usb
[20:17] <studio-user617> got no blank dvd's
[20:17] <zequence> I prefer usb
[20:17] <studio-user617> likewise
[20:23] <zequence> sSs: I passed the A+ exam, btw
[20:41] <sSs> lol
[20:41] <sSs> naw couldnt have
[20:57] <zequence> sSs: I was sort of worried about the second part, as I don't use Windows, and there was a lot of questions about that. Also, some questions were never answered in the book, so that was kind of unfair
[20:58] <sSs> for the most part all the tests revolve around windows
[21:00] <zequence> Well, all the Windows related tests anyway
[21:00] <zequence> I can see why one would include that in A+, but would be surprised to be asked about Windows tools on a Linux+ exam
[21:05] <sSs> there are windows questions on linnux+ as well. you gotta know how to support windows as its the primary business OS.
[21:08] <sSs> it would be a good idea to download evaluation copies of windows pro n server n play around with client server stuff. like i said everything revolves around windows
[21:31] <sSs> microsoft provides demo copies of just about everything
[21:53] <zequence> mm, yeah. I've already got some Win OSs just for the purpose of studying them
[22:58] <alexandros> Dear Community of Ubuntu Studio
[22:58] <alexandros> first of all I am glad to be here
[22:58] <alexandros> :)
[22:58] <alexandros> It is my first time ever using IRC
[22:59] <alexandros> and the reason I am here today is that I would need your help and experience on problems I have with my fresh install Ubuntu studio 12.10
[22:59] <GridCube> ask away
[23:01] <alexandros> Hi, actually I have just installed yesterday ubuntu studio on my pc - 2 hard disks, on one disk installed studio and on the other I had Kubuntu 12.04 and Win XP (broken outdated system)
[23:02] <GridCube> mmhm
[23:02] <alexandros> however I have problems with the ubuntu studio
[23:02] <alexandros> the desktopt freezes often
[23:02] <alexandros> I cannot even restart the computer
[23:03] <alexandros> I have messages of "I/O error..."
[23:03] <sSs> hard drive is bad or the cable the drive uses or there is a controller problem
[23:03] <alexandros> as I am a  noob, I would highly appreciate any help
[23:03] <GridCube> that could be a reason, yes
[23:04] <GridCube> the hard drive might be faulty, or the power source, or the mobo might have a faulty capacitor
[23:04] <alexandros> actually even during the installation process the installer would freeze sometimes with black sreen and messages of input/output error and then would have to start allover again
[23:05] <GridCube> mmhm sounds like faulty hardware
[23:06] <alexandros> is there a way to really test this? for instance test the hard disk...? or how should I start investigating? :)
[23:07] <sSs> try changing cables on the hard drive, then check ther drives SMART logs to see if it can tell you what is wrong
[23:07] <alexandros> this is strange, because when I tried ubuntu studio from the live cd everything looked to be perfect, but after I tried to install on my second hard drive (not the one that runs Kubuntu)..problems
[23:08] <zequence> alexandros: The live DVD is just that, live. It will run even if you have no hard drive at all
[23:08] <GridCube> then, asl sSs points, migh be a hard disk issue, if after that the hd install its being silly
[23:08] <zequence> alexandros: Sounds very much like the harddrive you are isntalling to is breaking
[23:08] <alexandros> zequence: thanks didnt know that :)
[23:09] <GridCube> alexandros, you can also run some fsck on the disks
[23:09] <zequence> alexandros: While booting to Kubuntu, use disk utility, or whatever it's called on KDE. Look for "smart". That deals with hard disk health
[23:10] <alexandros> sSs: what are the "SMART" logs, where do I find them?
[23:10] <zequence> alexandros: I mean, when on Kubuntu, not "botting into"..
[23:11] <zequence> alexandros: There are tools for running hard disk tests. I think a gui disk utility app might be the easiest
[23:11] <GridCube> !info smartmontools
[23:12] <alexandros> OK, this I understood, I 'll try later to boot in Kubuntu and use the disk utility..
[23:13] <alexandros> in the case that I see any kind of errors, would that practically mean that this hard drive is "for the waste bin"?
[23:14] <alexandros> or at least it would mean to not install operating systems there, I suppose...:)
[23:14] <zequence> alexandros: Well, I would not use it for anything important anyway
[23:17] <alexandros> well, I guess if there is no other feedback for the moment, I should start checking cables and testing the hard disk! Thanks a lot for the input, this is very helpful.
[23:18] <alexandros> Most likely I 'll be back after those tests, See you!
[23:18] <zequence> I started becoming nervous that my older hard drive was getting unreliable when I was working with a git repo
[23:19] <zequence> Apparently, if there's even the slightest amount of corruption in a git repo, I mean, one 0 in the wrong place, it'll error
[23:20] <alexandros> hm...should any new formatting of the disk do any good, or is it an irreversible situation?
[23:21] <packetfrog> My dpkg/selinux/vmlinuz is trowing errors when installing unetbootin and others  tried purge  -f install    installl     http://pastebin.com/xaZie6yX   any ideas?
[23:21] <sSs> a disk diagnostic will tell you if the drive is bad (but you still want to try a known good cable on it to rule that out)
[23:22] <alexandros> sSs: thanks!
[23:23] <sSs> IDE cables are notorious for going bad just from being bent. also the outer layer if insulation easily comes off
[23:23] <alexandros> sSs: it is a SATA disk
[23:23] <alexandros> :)
[23:24] <sSs> also with IDE there is "cable creep" it can unplug itself over time just from warming up and cooling down. make sure its plugged in snugly
[23:24] <sSs> k
[23:25] <sSs> old SATA can also unplug itself from cable creep
[23:26] <alexandros> Actually, I must say that I have changed a case some weeks ago, it sounds that could be possible that I messed up something in there (in the motherboard)...
[23:27] <alexandros> anyway...
[23:27] <sSs> a port could be bad. that you can test by using a diff plug
[23:28] <alexandros> thanks sSs
[23:29] <alexandros> I go testing :) see you after the tests ... and many thanks already!
[23:29] <sSs> hopefully its something easy
[23:30] <alexandros> I wish for it, thanks