=== Lump|AFK is now known as Lumpy [04:07] helloooo -R... if there is a quick and simple way to make programs in ubuntu work, someone lay it on meeverything i attempt gets an error of some kind, mostly due to something called JACK [04:07] er, ubuntu-studio, of course [04:09] shai_halud: yes.. what are you trying to do? [04:09] anything will do...hehe. i can get nothing to work besides lmms and audacity [04:09] shai_halud: sure, but what are you trying to do? [04:09] make music [04:09] you might not need it.. or want it [04:10] synth music [04:10] JACK is not trivial, and not necessary to "make music" [04:10] oh [04:10] ok [04:10] working on an lmms tute atm [04:10] you can do a lot with lmms and audacity [04:10] yeah [04:10] i would /join opensourcemusicans [04:10] you can search around about using JACK [04:10] i am getting the feeling i didn't need an entire distro, but it was too enticing [04:11] JACK is something you start, and it "takes over" [04:11] hm [04:11] you open the jack control panel and try hitting start, and share error messages [04:11] qjackctl [04:11] try that, and let me know if you have any errors [04:12] one sec [04:13] http://pastebin.ca/2316771 [04:14] looks like a bunch of things are not as they should be [04:14] i think i would like to start things as services [04:15] shai_halud: no.. you dont run JACK like that [04:15] anything that needs to be running all the time for the various programs i might want to try [04:15] shai_halud: close everything and open a terminal [04:15] run.. gksudo qjackctl [04:15] try starting JACK as root termporarily with that command to troubleshoot [04:15] k [04:16] ok. it opened... hit start? [04:16] yup [04:16] and share errors as you did [04:17] none [04:17] interesting... [04:17] appears fine [04:17] shut it down and try again with user privs? [04:17] shai_halud: is this an ubuntustudio install? [04:18] yes hdd install [04:18] or did you add the packages? [04:18] wouldn't run in vbox [04:18] shai_halud: will you try adding yourself to the audio group please [04:18] only one i added was lmms [04:18] sudo adduser you audio [04:18] oh [04:18] ok one jiffy [04:19] it should already be that way... [04:19] yes [04:19] yeah, lets try again as normal user.. you dont want to run it as root.. [04:19] right [04:20] same errors [04:20] interesting... [04:20] and that is what i kept running into with each program i tried to start, and each time i attempted to start jack [04:21] all errors about jack [04:21] well, and a few others, as you saw [04:21] some of them wont start without JACK [04:21] right. i noticed [04:21] can't get a sound out of virtual keyboard even [04:22] shai_halud: you can do "ps aux | grep jack" and check, but it shouldnt be running [04:22] i noticed the midi hookup thing, and experimented with it, to no avail [04:22] shai_halud: virtual keyboard makes no sounds [04:22] huh? [04:22] its just a keyboard. you connect it to a sound module [04:22] that's what i meant. i tried to [04:23] yeah, but you dont have jack running to route anything [04:23] check and see if jack is running somewhere [04:23] hm. it does appear to be [04:23] i don't understand output. one sec [04:24] shai_halud: well, just kill it all [04:24] http://pastebin.ca/2316775 [04:24] or, restart if you dont feel comforatble, and come here *before* trying apps [04:25] i feel comfortable ... killall jack ? [04:25] killall -9 jack? [04:25] i forget how to run that [04:25] sudo killall or that ^^ whatever [04:25] kill -9 pid [04:28] in system monitor i am only showing jackdbus and jmcore [04:29] kill jackdbus? [04:29] shai_halud: i would [04:30] ok, that's dead. do you know if jmcore is related? [04:30] shai_halud: i dont think so.. lets try jack as normal user [04:30] same error [04:30] s [04:31] got some warnings, but they're just for language support [04:31] arning: no translation found for 'en_US' locale: /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_en_US.qm [04:31] Warning: no translation found for 'en_US' locale: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.qm [04:32] that shouldn't be of any significant consequence, should it? [04:32] nah.. its something else [04:32] shai_halud: its not trivial [04:32] i sould /join #opensourcemusicians and just start fiddling [04:32] would* [04:32] k [04:32] thanks [04:34] shai_halud: you can try looking in "setup", untick "realtime".. but that shouldnt matter [04:34] the fact that it starts as root makes me think its permissions === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK === Lump|AFK is now known as Lumpy === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK [13:17] o/ [13:18] I have a M-audio 2496. In pavucontrol with ICE 1712 selected, I see the input volume jump up and down. But I here no audio..What can I do? [13:26] o/ I have a M-audio 2496. In pavucontrol with ICE 1712 selected, I see the input volume jump up and down. But I here no audio..What can I do? [13:26] [15:12] Hi [15:14] sam123, hi [15:14] How do I stop the "crash report detected" icon and reminder from appearing until I get another crash report? [15:15] Just delete the crash report? [15:17] sam123, um... This is rather a more Xfce-generic question. Go to #xubuntu [15:17] OK [18:35] I just install updates automatically, without paying and mind. It seems a few updates ago , I assume that would be the reason that now I have l;ost the ability to change desktop wallpapers and the default is like a cobalt blue [18:36] whoo, That doesn't make sense. [18:36] It's weird [18:36] Which version? [18:36] 12.10 or .04 [18:37] 12.10 [18:37] My 12.04 still has its BG. But I haven't tried to change it. [18:38] In the settings app can you see the back grounds available? [18:39] it would be in the settings manager->Desktop part, first tab. [18:39] When I right click for Change desktop background it brings up System Settings full screen [18:40] Yes desktop manager shows the wallpapers [18:40] when I access though the main menu [18:40] through [18:41] under "Image" there are three check boxes. You want the top one "single" [18:41] yep [18:41] clicking on any of the images does nadda [18:42] It sounds like some app is not auto starting. [18:43] Can I access Startup Options ? [18:44] settings manger -> Session and strtup [18:44] *Startup [18:45] I am sorry, I don't know which app takes care of the desk background [18:45] Nothing that I can see stands out [18:49] Well, you could reset things by removing .config/xfce4 and maybe .cache/sessions [18:50] You may have to be at the logout screen and use atl-ctl-f1 to do that though. [18:50] I am not familiar wit removing tings [18:50] things [18:51] Theres a new ubuntu, doe s [18:51] from a terminal use: [18:51] ok [18:51] rm -r .config/xfce4 [18:51] rm -r .cache/sessions [18:53] The first one should work while logged into the session, but the second one might get rewriten on logout :( [18:53] do I have to logout first ? [18:53] ok [18:54] so...pull up term and issue fist command only ? [18:54] You would have to logout and in to see any change though [18:54] first [18:54] sure [18:55] or should I do both commands then logout ? [18:56] You can try either way . [18:58] I just thought of something. In settings manager -> Session and STartup->General make sure the Automatically save session on logout is unchecked. [18:58] I just thought of something. In settings manager -> Session and STartup->General make sure the Automatically save session on logout is unchecked. [18:59] That was the case...unchecked [18:59] Done [18:59] Do you have a bg? [18:59] Yep [18:59] the same one that I had [18:59] blank? [19:00] no..the one that went away...is now back [19:00] \It worked [19:00] Good. [19:00] Thanks [19:00] Iwonder what caused it, prolly an update of some kind huh? [19:01] It seems to me I had that happen once. way back. I have been using 12.04 for almost a year now daily. [19:01] nice...making music ? [19:01] SO hopefully you will not see it again. [19:02] A little. I don't seem to have the time right now. [19:02] I am gonna make a note with the commands you shared [19:02] You use studio anyway though ? [19:03] I do testing so I use it so I find anything bad through daily use. On this machine I have 13.04 for testing right now. [19:03] I do like Xfce with nautilus myself [19:03] I run the audio apps to see what works, but I am not right now doing any serious recording. [19:04] So you are an ubuntu employeee? [19:04] nautilus in 12.04 and 12.10 is nice. Yuck in 13.04 [19:04] really...why ? [19:05] No just a volunteer. UStudio is all volunteer work. [19:05] nautilus for 13.04 is the new "files" version. It sort of looks like chrome. [19:05] My only prob with nautilus is the need to add an 'open as admin' script [19:06] oh...I never took to chrome [19:06] it is missing some things like a good search [19:06] one of the tree view modes is gone too [19:06] extra pane ? [19:07] We have actually switched to thunar/catfish for 13.04 to get some functionality. [19:07] Anyway the user can still install nautilus if they want it. [19:07] catfish being the text editor ? [19:08] catfish is a search utility [19:08] oh...ok [19:08] gedit is the editor. [19:08] I guess i shouldlearn to use a search utility [19:09] It is not needed for a lot of uses. [19:09] but it sure is nice for tracking down system files. [19:09] I have yet to plug in a microphone... so i am a little slow having used a Tascam cassette recorder a few years back [19:10] I had a Yamaha 4 track cassette back when [19:10] Then an R8 open reel [19:10] Got any tips on where to start ? [19:11] digital is much easier. [19:11] Depends on wht you want to do. [19:11] Guitar bass drums 2 or 3 voives...simple stuff [19:11] voices [19:12] extra guitar [19:12] if you do keyboard at all, qtracktor might work well for you, I do all audio stuff so I use ardour [19:12] I have no keyboard skills [19:12] I seem to use mostly one audio in at a time. [19:12] I don't either :) [19:13] then record it and list to it for the next instrument ? [19:13] with a metronome or something ticking away there ? [19:13] I start by recording just a vocal/voice track as scratch. the while listening to that I record another track. in the end I remove the first track. [19:13] voice with one instrument ? [19:14] first track ? [19:14] I sometimes us hydrogen to give me a beat to follow. [19:14] Ya usually me singing with a guitar [19:14] right...I had ..or have an alesiss that I used [19:15] for a drum sound for timing [19:15] Whatever works for you. There are lots of ways of doing things [19:15] True...I just have to read up on it and do it [19:16] Synth people tend to build up the beat and background first on keys and then start adding live instruments and voice. [19:17] Yep...but that's not me. I am unplugged....so to speak [19:17] plugged but i=unplugged [19:18] Anyway, I have to go. I'll talk to you later. [19:19] k thanks see you [20:07] greetings -R... doing ubuntu studio reinstall here, seems hung on "restoring proviously installed packages". been at same progress for about 10 minutes. anything i can do besides wait? [20:12] anyone here? [20:12] studio-user617: I don't recognize that step during install. [20:13] it's a re-install [20:13] i was offline when i installled the first time, so i tried again with connection [20:13] selected re-install. it is still hung. about 20 minutes now [20:13] backup your data and wipe it [20:14] tehst the ISO first [20:14] could be a bad install media [20:14] did that already [20:14] then wipe it [20:14] might as well. nothing i need to save here [20:14] alright [20:15] studio-user617: Why are you reinstalling? If you installed without connection, you should be fine just updateing [20:15] hm [20:15] you would think so [20:16] every time i've had issues with that step it was bad install media [20:16] studio-user617: usb stick, or DVD? [20:16] ISO was good, USB was bad [20:16] usb [20:16] unetbootin / iso>usb [20:17] got no blank dvd's [20:17] I prefer usb [20:17] likewise [20:23] sSs: I passed the A+ exam, btw [20:41] lol [20:41] naw couldnt have [20:57] sSs: I was sort of worried about the second part, as I don't use Windows, and there was a lot of questions about that. Also, some questions were never answered in the book, so that was kind of unfair [20:58] for the most part all the tests revolve around windows [21:00] Well, all the Windows related tests anyway [21:00] I can see why one would include that in A+, but would be surprised to be asked about Windows tools on a Linux+ exam [21:05] there are windows questions on linnux+ as well. you gotta know how to support windows as its the primary business OS. [21:08] it would be a good idea to download evaluation copies of windows pro n server n play around with client server stuff. like i said everything revolves around windows [21:31] microsoft provides demo copies of just about everything [21:53] mm, yeah. I've already got some Win OSs just for the purpose of studying them [22:58] Dear Community of Ubuntu Studio [22:58] first of all I am glad to be here [22:58] :) [22:58] It is my first time ever using IRC [22:59] and the reason I am here today is that I would need your help and experience on problems I have with my fresh install Ubuntu studio 12.10 [22:59] ask away [23:01] Hi, actually I have just installed yesterday ubuntu studio on my pc - 2 hard disks, on one disk installed studio and on the other I had Kubuntu 12.04 and Win XP (broken outdated system) [23:02] mmhm [23:02] however I have problems with the ubuntu studio [23:02] the desktopt freezes often [23:02] I cannot even restart the computer [23:03] I have messages of "I/O error..." [23:03] hard drive is bad or the cable the drive uses or there is a controller problem [23:03] as I am a noob, I would highly appreciate any help [23:03] that could be a reason, yes [23:04] the hard drive might be faulty, or the power source, or the mobo might have a faulty capacitor [23:04] actually even during the installation process the installer would freeze sometimes with black sreen and messages of input/output error and then would have to start allover again [23:05] mmhm sounds like faulty hardware [23:06] is there a way to really test this? for instance test the hard disk...? or how should I start investigating? :) [23:07] try changing cables on the hard drive, then check ther drives SMART logs to see if it can tell you what is wrong [23:07] this is strange, because when I tried ubuntu studio from the live cd everything looked to be perfect, but after I tried to install on my second hard drive (not the one that runs Kubuntu)..problems [23:08] alexandros: The live DVD is just that, live. It will run even if you have no hard drive at all [23:08] then, asl sSs points, migh be a hard disk issue, if after that the hd install its being silly [23:08] alexandros: Sounds very much like the harddrive you are isntalling to is breaking [23:08] zequence: thanks didnt know that :) [23:09] alexandros, you can also run some fsck on the disks [23:09] alexandros: While booting to Kubuntu, use disk utility, or whatever it's called on KDE. Look for "smart". That deals with hard disk health [23:10] sSs: what are the "SMART" logs, where do I find them? [23:10] alexandros: I mean, when on Kubuntu, not "botting into".. [23:11] alexandros: There are tools for running hard disk tests. I think a gui disk utility app might be the easiest [23:11] !info smartmontools [23:11] smartmontools (source: smartmontools): control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.43-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 447 kB, installed size 1206 kB [23:12] OK, this I understood, I 'll try later to boot in Kubuntu and use the disk utility.. [23:13] in the case that I see any kind of errors, would that practically mean that this hard drive is "for the waste bin"? [23:14] or at least it would mean to not install operating systems there, I suppose...:) [23:14] alexandros: Well, I would not use it for anything important anyway [23:17] well, I guess if there is no other feedback for the moment, I should start checking cables and testing the hard disk! Thanks a lot for the input, this is very helpful. [23:18] Most likely I 'll be back after those tests, See you! [23:18] I started becoming nervous that my older hard drive was getting unreliable when I was working with a git repo [23:19] Apparently, if there's even the slightest amount of corruption in a git repo, I mean, one 0 in the wrong place, it'll error [23:20] hm...should any new formatting of the disk do any good, or is it an irreversible situation? [23:21] My dpkg/selinux/vmlinuz is trowing errors when installing unetbootin and others tried purge -f install installl http://pastebin.com/xaZie6yX any ideas? [23:21] a disk diagnostic will tell you if the drive is bad (but you still want to try a known good cable on it to rule that out) [23:22] sSs: thanks! [23:23] IDE cables are notorious for going bad just from being bent. also the outer layer if insulation easily comes off [23:23] sSs: it is a SATA disk [23:23] :) [23:24] also with IDE there is "cable creep" it can unplug itself over time just from warming up and cooling down. make sure its plugged in snugly [23:24] k [23:25] old SATA can also unplug itself from cable creep [23:26] Actually, I must say that I have changed a case some weeks ago, it sounds that could be possible that I messed up something in there (in the motherboard)... [23:27] anyway... [23:27] a port could be bad. that you can test by using a diff plug [23:28] thanks sSs [23:29] I go testing :) see you after the tests ... and many thanks already! [23:29] hopefully its something easy [23:30] I wish for it, thanks