/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/24/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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* smartboyhw says good morning to Kubuntu:P03:42
* smartboyhw needs to start backporting calligra for good03:42
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yofelkubotu: newversion digikam 3.0.0 http://www.digikam.org/node/68310:54
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/113239310:54
sheytan_hey11:43
sheytan_can anybody remind me please how do you get stuff from bazzar?11:43
yofelsheytan_: bzr branch <url>, for launchpad url would be lp:~owner/project/branch12:08
sheytan_thank you :)12:08
* smartboyhw says hello12:17
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yofelafiestas: wrt kscreen: when I attach a completely new monitor, where is it put by the auto configuration? Always on the right of the current primary screen?13:40
DarkwingMorning14:03
smartboyhwEvening Darkwing 14:03
DarkwingHmmz... this is interesting...14:03
smartboyhwDarkwing, *what* is interesting?14:04
DarkwingLightDM with propriatary AMD drivers14:04
smartboyhwOh14:04
DarkwingLightDM doesn't see two monitors.14:04
DarkwingSo, my login is spread between both screens.14:04
smartboyhwDarkwing, whoa!?14:05
DarkwingHang on... I'll take a picture as a screen cap wont work right. :D14:05
smartboyhwDarkwing, LOL14:05
Darkwingbk14:07
Darkwinghttp://imm.io/XfL714:08
DarkwingLike I said, interesting14:08
DarkwingMy desk is trashed right now lol14:08
smartboyhwDarkwing, lol. You have better life than me though, my login screen of Kubuntu 13.04 is just complete snowflakes (or white blocks) at the bottom part of screen14:09
DarkwingI'm on an LTS because AMD can't get their act together and update the HD6500 drivers with new kernels14:11
Darkwing*On a LTS14:11
DarkwingPlus, Android stuff doesn't like to build on the newer stuff either... It likes the LTS14:12
smartboyhwDarkwing, oh14:19
RiddellDarkwing: proprietary driver fail!14:28
smartboyhwRiddell, not good14:28
Riddellsmartboyhw: so you backporting calligra?14:31
smartboyhwRiddell, no I'm syncing the code for Ubuntu Touch....14:32
Darkwingmwh14:37
Riddellwhich is just unity 2d in a more tablety form?14:37
smartboyhwRiddell, bascially yes14:37
Riddellpresumably they're not putting anything in the archive this cycle?14:37
BluesKajHowdy all14:42
smartboyhwRiddell, dunno14:49
smartboyhwRiddell, hmm suddenly I know of Project Neon...15:22
yofelyou didn't yet?15:26
smartboyhwyofel, no:P15:26
smartboyhw(LOL)15:26
yofel^^15:26
* smartboyhw only knew it by Calligra 2.6.1 annoucement on website15:26
smartboyhwGreat project:)15:27
Riddellwhat's it got to do with Calligra 2.6.1?15:27
smartboyhwRiddell, they include the Project Neon PPA in their annoucements15:27
yofelyeah, but why in 2.6.115:28
yofelneon has 2.7 pre-alpha15:28
smartboyhwyofel, well dunno15:28
smartboyhwhttp://www.calligra.org/news/calligra-2-6-1-released/ But they actually say it's daily snapshots15:28
smartboyhwUsers of Ubuntu and Kubuntu are urged to try the daily snapshots prepared by Project Neon. Paste the following in a terminal window and you’ll find Calligra installed in /opt: 15:28
yofelprobably leftover from the beta and rc's 15:29
yofelnot that it'c currently broken though from what I see15:29
smartboyhwyofel, oh15:30
* smartboyhw wonders who can join the project too:P15:30
yofelanyone with some knowledge about packaging and KDE, poke Quintasan15:31
smartboyhwyofel, OK15:31
* smartboyhw pokes Quintasan (LOL)15:31
smartboyhwyofel, how's life?15:32
yofelgood in general15:32
yofelthough debugging digikam is annyoing...15:33
smartboyhwoh15:33
Riddellshadeslayer: how's the gathering?16:44
Quintasanwait what16:44
Quintasanyofel: what do people want from me now? :P16:44
Quintasanyofel: I got fingerprint scanning to work16:45
yofelsomething about smartboyhw wanting to join neon16:45
QuintasanBUT our lightdm doesn't seem to support that16:45
Quintasanbut the battery live is16:46
Quintasanurgh16:46
QuintasanUnexpectedly Linux sucks at this16:46
RiddellQuintasan: fingerprint scanning is handled at the pam level so it doesn't need the login manager to support it16:46
Riddellit's just very hard to use without a UI16:46
Quintasanhmmm16:47
QuintasanRiddell: well, I can get sudo rights by scanning my finger but I don't get any prompt on logon16:47
QuintasanRiddell: how long does your thinkpad last when on battery?16:47
Riddelldunno, a couple of hours maybe16:48
Quintasanlike 3 or more?16:48
yofelmine ~4h, but please consider battery size and hardware16:49
yofelif I don't do much I can get 6h out of it, but that's pretty much only having vim open or so ^^16:49
RiddellQuintasan: yes I'd think 3 hours is very common, but I've not timed it as I say16:51
yofelQuintasan: how large is your batter anyway? (Wh as told by upower --dump)16:51
* Riddell out16:51
yofel*battery16:51
Quintasan    energy-full:         56.87 Wh16:52
yofelthat should give you ~3-4h on current hardware I think16:52
Quintasanoh16:52
QuintasanI see16:53
yofelfeel free to play around with powertop16:53
QuintasanI kind of expected that16:53
Quintasanbut16:53
Quintasanwell16:53
Quintasanit's kind of disappointing :P16:53
Quintasanpowertop?16:53
yofelintel power measurement tool, tells you how much power you use and what uses it16:53
Quintasanoh16:54
Quintasan/usr/bin/ktorrent16:55
Quintasanwell16:55
Quintasanthat's kind of expcted16:55
soeehi16:55
Quintasanhello16:56
yofelwow, archive.ubuntu.com is totally overloaded today17:13
shadeslayerRiddell: exhausted17:43
Riddellshadeslayer: hard work these kde conferences17:47
shadeslayeryus17:47
Quintasandem kde conferences17:47
shadeslayereven more hard work are KDE India conf's17:48
Quintasanthis thinkpad17:48
shadeslayerbecause, resource constraints etc17:48
RiddellQuintasan: project neon help wanted in #kde-devel17:52
Riddellhttp://paste.kde.org/679880/17:52
shadeslayerhmm17:57
shadeslayerpeople from the kde-meetup :)17:57
murthyhello everyone18:16
Riddellhi murthy 18:18
murthyRiddell: hi18:18
sheytan_apachelogger: pingy18:20
murthya sponsor has pointed out to some lintian warnings which my local lintian is not showing, what wrong with my lintian. here is the log given by the sponsor http://paste.ubuntu.com/5557229/18:26
yofelmurthy: that's what you get by running lintian on the finished binary packages18:36
yofelrunning it on the changes file pbuilder produces would work18:37
murthyyofel: the man pages of lintian says, the infos are suppressed by default18:37
murthyyofel: i have to use the "I" option to display those18:38
murthyyofel: where is the lintian config file?18:38
yofeldunno, but you only need to fix the warnings from there (except the standards version stuff)18:38
yofeltoo long lines and spelling errors it seems18:39
murthyyofel: that didn't show up in the test build i did before creating the debdiff18:39
murthyyofel: does an outdated lintian might be the problem?18:40
yofelI don't think so...18:40
murthyyofel: what is the current version18:40
murthym4v: ok18:40
murthyoops18:40
yofel!info lintian raring18:40
murthyyofel: ^18:40
ubottulintian (source: lintian): Debian package checker. In component main, is optional. Version 2.5.11ubuntu1 (raring), package size 551 kB, installed size 2292 kB18:41
yofelN: Processing binary package libdlna-dev (version 0.2.4-0ubuntu1, arch amd64) ...18:41
yofelhe did a lintian check on the finished binary packe18:41
yofel*package18:41
murthythe latest version is installed18:41
yofelI wonder why lintian doesn't show description warnings for the source though...18:42
murthyyofel: so i have to add this to my developement workflow?18:42
yofelyou and me18:42
yofelhm... I'll write a pbuilder hook for that18:43
murthyyofel: what about setting it here /etc/lintianrc ?18:44
murthyyofel: "verbose = yes" this option ?18:44
yofelcan you enable those warnings for sources?18:44
yofelI'm not talking about the N: or I: stuff18:45
yofelyou don't need that18:45
murthyyofel: oh ok18:45
yofelbut feel free to enable it anyway on your system18:45
murthyyofel: so when i run lintian on a change file with out any options, it will display the warnings as given by the sponsor?18:46
yofelI don't know18:47
yofelI usually don't care much about lintian until it complains by itself18:47
murthyyofel: i just ran lintian with the changes file and it doesn't show the warning mentioned in the sponsor's log18:50
yofelok, now build the package and run it on the binary changes file18:50
yofeli.e. <arch>.changes, not source.changes18:51
murthyyofel: dpkg-buildpackage -b ?18:52
yofelyes18:52
murthyyofel: warnings in sponsor's log shows up18:55
murthyyofel: if i do a dpkg-buildpackage, the deps get installed in my system?18:57
yofelno18:58
murthyyofel: so it uses pbuilder?18:58
yofelit'll fail if something's missing though with -b18:58
murthyyofel: missing what's mentioned in build-depends ?18:59
yofelyes18:59
murthyyofel: in that case whats the point in using pbuilder?18:59
murthyyofel: right18:59
murthyyofel: about the pbuilder hook'18:59
murthyyofel: so the hook will do this right?19:00
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yofelthe point of using pbuilder is knowing whether something's missing from the build-depends19:00
yofelyeah, it will, but I won't run it with -Iiv as he did19:00
murthyyofel: i didn't use that options19:00
murthyyofel: its verbose attached with description that we don't need19:01
ScottKyofel: Can haz 4.9.5?19:02
* yofel knew he forgot something19:02
yofelI'll get to it shortly19:02
ScottK;-)19:02
ScottKThanks. 19:03
murthyyofel: so now the bug status is changed to fix released, do i have to submit the corrected changes now or i have to implement the changes in the next version of the app?19:08
yofelmurthy: latter, it got uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdlna/0.2.4-0ubuntu119:09
murthyyofel: ok19:10
murthyyofel: on the other day i referred the text of a license and you said it is BSD-3 , did you google it or you know from memory?19:15
yofelfrom memory as the bsd variants are rather popular. The DEP-5 documentation has links to the license texts at the bottom that you can look at19:16
murthyyofel: ok19:18
murthyyofel: its a fresh copyright file19:19
yofelwhat do you mean?19:20
murthyyofel: nm, i am confused a bit19:22
murthyyofel: files * is gpl-3+ and debian/* is also gpl-3+ . the debian/* is mentioned with a seperate block, shall i merge them?19:24
yofelnah, it's common to have a seperate block for the packaging even if the license is the same in most cases19:25
murthyyofel: ok19:25
yofelB09lintian added19:25
murthywhats that?19:26
yofelthe hook19:27
murthyyofel: how can i get that?19:27
yofelupdate your checkout of the hooks19:27
murthyyofel: how?19:27
yofeluhm... if you just used bzr, go to the hookdir and run bzr pull :parent19:28
murthyyofel: i added the pbuilder hooks to the pbuilderrc that you gave me as text 19:29
yofelmurthy: sure, and where did you put them?19:29
murthyyofel: etc/pbuilderrc19:30
yofelnot that, where are the hooks?19:30
yofeli.e. what's HOOKDIR set to?19:30
murthyyofel: home19:30
yofelprobably not19:31
murthyyofel: $HOME/.pbuilder-hooks19:31
yofelright, so go to ~/.pbuilder-hooks and update your checkout19:31
murthyyofel: "bzr: ERROR: No parent location assigned."19:32
yofelhm, try 'bzr up'19:33
murthyyofel: worked19:33
murthyyofel: got B09lintian19:33
murthyyofel: so this will get the lintian warning after the build&clean step in pbuilder?19:34
yofelafter build19:35
murthyyofel: before clean and b10list-missing?19:35
yofelafter build before list-missing19:35
murthyyofel: i think i am wrong19:35
murthyyofel: ok19:35
murthyyofel: so it wont be invoked if the build fails right?19:36
* yofel reads manpage19:37
yofelmurthy: right19:37
yofel              B<digit><digit><whatever-else-you-want> is executed after build system finishes building, successfully, before copying back the build result.19:37
murthyyofel: ok19:37
murthyyofel: lintian hooks are updated during an upgrade?19:44
yofelnope19:47
QuintasanI REALLY wonder20:01
Quintasanwhy I can't unlock my seession after wakeup20:01
yofelblame new screenlocker20:02
yofelor does it not work at all?20:02
* yofel needs a Vcs-Bzr sanitizer in kubuntu-automation20:02
Quintasanyofel: I input my password, press unlock20:05
Quintasanand nothing happens20:05
yofelbad20:05
QuintasanWTF20:06
Quintasanwtf is going on with this laptop20:06
yofelQuintasan: does *something* happen? (i.e. bad password warning or so?)20:07
genii-aroundSleep-wakeup cycle works here OK, just tried it20:07
Quintasanyofel: NO20:07
Quintasansorry20:07
Quintasannothing at all20:07
murthyyofel: the screen locker works for me20:07
QuintasanI press unlock, the button gets pushed but nothing happens after that20:07
yofelQuintasan: you do see that you're inputting characters?20:07
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Quintasanyeah20:08
yofelmurthy: for me too...20:08
murthyQuintasan: what will happen if you delete ~.Xauthority file?20:11
QuintasanI restarted it20:11
QuintasanI'll try trigerring it again20:11
Quintasanbumblebee 0/1020:13
Quintasandoesn't work20:13
Quintasansigh20:13
Quintasanchrist20:44
QuintasanI'll try with the nvida blob20:44
Quintasanif it doesnt work then I'll probablu disable it for now20:44
yofelnouveau ~worked~ here, but the displayport doesn't work20:46
yofelthe blobs power management is better too20:46
* shadeslayer hit fun PA bugs20:47
shadeslayerbug 1129990 and bug 112787220:47
genii-aroundI'm currently just using -experimental-31020:47
ubottubug 1129990 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Sound no longer works unless you kill it each time for each application" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112999020:47
ubottubug 1129990 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1127872 Sound no longer works unless you kill it each time for each application" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112999020:47
Quintasanehh20:47
yofelyeah, nvidia-310 here too20:48
yofelshadeslayer: that's supposed to be fixed?20:48
Quintasanyofel: Can I turn off the card using bumblebee?20:48
yofelhad to kill it today20:48
shadeslayeryofel: yes20:48
yofelwell, let's see20:48
shadeslayeryeah20:48
QuintasanI'd just use it to switch off the card with solid xD20:48
* shadeslayer is upgrading20:48
yofelQuintasan: can't say, my hardware's too old for that ^^20:48
QuintasanI sometimes really hate how Linux works20:49
yofelwell, we are the believers of forced-freedom20:49
yofelthough I'm partly a heretic by that definition20:49
Quintasansome things just don't work20:50
shadeslayerI had a fun time when I discovered that I had accidentally removed all my kernels on the flight -.020:51
Quintasanand now it's can't load the $#$@#$#% driver20:51
Quintasanchrist20:51
Quintasanwhat's wrong with this20:51
genii-aroundshadeslayer: So you copied vmlinuz etc off some livecd/usb ?20:51
shadeslayerheh no20:51
shadeslayerluksOpen > mount using lvm > chroot and install kernels > unmount > luksClose20:52
shadeslayergenii-around: re: <aPpYe> uh ... my system just asked me to upgrade to 13.04.  I installed my own kde desktop from the mini.iso.  I have had only quantal in my souces.list for some time.20:53
shadeslayergenii-around: what was the fix?20:53
shadeslayeroor why did that happen?20:53
genii-aroundshadeslayer: He crossposted in #ubuntu, where he was told that this is normal for some reason... I didn't check the backscroll to investigate...although I think someone told him to file a bug report also20:55
shadeslayerI see20:55
shadeslayerI asked because this was on Kubuntu Devel earlier ( and then forwarded to Ubuntu Devel )20:55
genii-aroundHe did some nonstandard install from a mini iso 20:56
yofelsooo... let's see what we have for 4.9.520:57
QuintasanYES20:57
QuintasanIT WORKED20:57
shadeslayerbtw people @ Conf had issues when they upgraded 4.10 + 12.04 to 12.10 + 4.1020:58
shadeslayerspecifically, one was regarding libtag20:58
yofelshadeslayer: worked here - except digikam breaking20:58
Quintasannow20:58
yofelwhich I hope will work once I backport 3.0.020:58
QuintasanI wonder how does one actually do anything with that optirun20:58
shadeslayeryofel: try installing libtag-dev once you upgrade?20:58
yofellemme dig out the vbox snapshot20:59
shadeslayerIIRC libtag1-dev is 1.8-1 in 12.04 + 4.10 and then once you upgrade there is only 1.8-0ubuntusomething21:00
shadeslayerand if you have the tag libs stuff installed from the backports PPA, and then try installing the -dev, there's a version mismatch because the -dev depends on 1.8-0 but 1.8-1 is installed21:01
Quintasanwat21:01
Quintasanyofel: it has a sim card slot under the batter21:01
Quintasanlololol21:01
shadeslayerheh21:01
Quintasanhow do I configure this21:01
shadeslayerQuintasan: standard feature21:01
QuintasanI BET IT WILL NOT WORK OUT OF BOX21:02
shadeslayerit needs to have the radio as well21:02
shadeslayerand unless you added that, the radio is probably not there21:02
shadeslayerMy XPS M1530 had the same slot, except no radio was actually connected21:02
shadeslayerso it was just a slot :P21:02
* yofel would rather have a 56k modem driver21:03
Quintasanshadeslayer: how do I check if there is a radio?21:04
shadeslayerQuintasan: did you ask for one to be installed?21:04
Quintasandunno21:05
Quintasanit cost a lot of monies so I'm inclined to say there is one21:05
shadeslayerer21:05
shadeslayerokay21:05
shadeslayerwould lspci list it?21:05
* shadeslayer is not sure21:05
genii-aroundYou can get a fairly cheap card like one of those Gobi2000 or such21:05
genii-aroundYes, lspci 21:06
shadeslayeranyway, I have to sleep, haven't slept at all in the last 2 days21:06
yofelgood night21:06
shadeslayernight :)21:06
lordievaderGood evening :)21:10
Quintasanehh21:10
Quintasanlordievader: hello21:10
lordievaderHey Quintasan, how are you?21:10
Quintasangood I guess21:11
Quintasangenii-around: seems like there isn't one :<21:11
QuintasanI'll have to get one then I guess21:11
yofelQuintasan: can't you use your phone?21:12
Quintasanthing is21:12
QuintasanI have 1GB plan on my phone21:12
genii-aroundQuintasan: I have one of those Gobi 2000 I mentioned earlier, they have reasonable linux support21:12
yofeland getting another card would be cheaper than extending the plan?21:13
Quintasanand I have a second sim card from Aero2 which is testing free internet service in Poland and they give 70GB/month for free21:13
yofeloh21:13
yofelok21:13
Quintasanyeah, you pay once for the card21:13
Quintasanand do whatever the hell you want21:13
Quintasanif you exceed the quota your connection gets downgraded or disabled21:13
Quintasandon't remember what is it21:13
Quintasanbut I don't care :P21:13
Quintasannow how do I switch off cards21:14
Quintasanhmm21:14
yofelbt/wifi? rfkill21:14
Quintasangpu i mean21:14
yofelah, dunno21:14
QuintasanI don't really want to have the nvidia one on all the time21:14
Quintasan:P21:14
yofel*sigh*, the whole gpu switching thing would totally work without KMS21:15
Quintasanwait21:17
Quintasanit got turned off autmagically aparrently21:17
Quintasanbut lspci still lists it21:17
Quintasanwell21:17
Quintasanok21:18
Quintasanok21:18
QuintasanI'm so okay with this21:18
QuintasanNOW I CAN PLAY TEAM FORTRESS21:18
* yofel would like to have an actually performant opengl stack too21:18
QuintasanMUAHAHAHAHA21:18
yofelbut now I ask too much I guess21:18
Quintasanuse windows21:19
Quintasanno matter how much I hate it21:19
yofelyeah, I know -.-21:19
Quintasanit actually works good when you want to play games21:19
yofelthat's why I try to use nvidia when I can. The blob's evil, but it works21:19
QuintasanI sometimes get the idea one should make a plenty of $$$21:19
QuintasanHire the best gpu people to write a decent windows server and pay them more monies to do drivers21:20
Quintasanhell21:20
Quintasanif they don't provide docs21:20
Quintasanthen do the same thing as they did in ReactOS21:20
Quintasanwhat was it called21:21
Quintasanclean room reverse engineering?21:21
yofelthe nouveau folks already do that21:21
Quintasanand tell me 3d works21:21
Quintasanactually I managed to play Half Life on nouveau21:22
yofel3d works - mesa just sucks21:22
Quintasanwhat the hell is wrong with mesa there21:22
Quintasanmaybe fix this first before doing anything?21:22
Quintasanit's like they try to insert a nice gpu to a pc with pentium 421:22
Quintasanif core is bad the the whole tree won't last long21:23
yofelwell,  not sure what's *wrong* with mesa, but if my card with nouveau performs about the same as my work notebook with intel (which works better in windows) then I tend to blame the common factor21:23
Quintasanmore like root*21:23
murthyapachelogger: tomahawk v0.6.0, file src/libtomahawk/thirdparty/Qocoa/qtoolbartabdialog.cpp missing copyright21:24
apacheloggersheytan: yes?21:27
apacheloggermurthy: <muesli> apachelogger: thanks, will fix21:27
sheytanapachelogger: did you see ldm stuff from yesterday?21:27
apacheloggernope21:27
apacheloggeranyone got a good movie rcommendation?21:28
murthyapachelogger: new or old?21:29
genii-aroundapachelogger: I just saw Life of Pi and thought it was pretty good21:29
apacheloggergenii-around: yeah, very nice, already saw it though :)21:31
apacheloggermurthy: doesn't matter21:31
murthyapachelogger: Malizia21:31
apacheloggermurthy: <muesli> apachelogger: done21:31
murthyapachelogger: nice21:32
murthyapachelogger: atame21:32
sheytanapachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/23/login2-no-bg2.png21:33
sheytani can't get agateau to ping21:34
sheytanand this sucks :D21:34
murthysheytan: who did this http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/23/login2-no-bg2.png21:35
QuintasanWe REALLY need to get rid of user management in it's current form21:35
sheytanmurthy: me, it's a mockup21:35
sheytanbut well, not really lot of work to make it a real theme21:35
apacheloggersheytan: write a mail good sir :P21:35
murthysheytan: the user images list is monochrome?21:35
apacheloggersheytan: how does the backgroudn relate to plymouth tho?21:36
apacheloggerQuintasan: your proposal?21:36
Quintasanapachelogger: KUser?21:36
Quintasanor I can recall afiestas working on something21:36
sheytanapachelogger: just a quick mock. Background will fit, don;t worry.21:36
sheytanmurthy: the users are nocolored on the list. only the selected user should be in color (don't know yet if it's possible)21:37
QuintasanFINGERPRINT Y U NO WORK ON LOGON21:37
apacheloggerQuintasan: ah, I thought you meant the entire paradigm of user management ^^21:37
apacheloggernot the kcm21:37
apacheloggerlast I heared afiestas' replacement was starting to work(tm)21:38
murthysheytan: so when we click the user in the list, the icon moves to the bottom?21:38
Quintasanlol no21:38
QuintasanI just think the kcm is the most dumb thing we have21:38
Quintasanyou click21:38
Quintasanand then you have to click again to run it21:38
Quintasanwtf21:38
Quintasanalso21:38
apacheloggersheytan: I like it21:38
QuintasanWHAT has happened to the policy kit kcm?21:38
apacheloggeralso how the clock is not huge and shit :P21:39
apacheloggersheytan: from an artistic POV I'd get rid of the logo though21:39
murthyapachelogger: have you tried the minimal-clock?21:39
apacheloggersheytan: makes it rather crowded21:39
sheytanapachelogger: you're too minimalistic 21:39
apacheloggernah21:39
apacheloggerits just not balanced21:39
sheytanlet's just get rid of X, he? :D21:39
apacheloggeryou have loads of crap in the top half21:40
Quintasanour problem with the login screen is that it does not look really well21:40
Quintasanwait21:40
apacheloggerand a datetime in the bottom21:40
Quintasannvm21:40
apacheloggeralso21:40
QuintasanI was thinking about the background and realised there isn't an OS that doesn't have that out of sync21:40
apacheloggersheytan: note that most installs actually end up having one (or max two) users21:40
Quintasanapachelogger++21:41
Quintasanlong gone are the days when 3 or more people use the same pc21:41
sheytanapachelogger: i did. 21:41
apacheloggerwell, actually two21:41
apacheloggerlike user and guest21:41
apacheloggerpoint being21:41
yofelQuintasan: polkit kcm? the thing that stores configs in /usr? was deemed evil21:41
apacheloggerplease mock with only one user and guest21:41
sheytanapachelogger: simply imaging there's only guest account left in the list ;)21:41
apacheloggerperhaps then you'll agree with droppig the logo :P21:42
apacheloggersheytan: it's one thing to magine and one to see it21:42
sheytanok ok ;d21:42
apacheloggerI'd really drop the logo though21:42
apacheloggeror do somethign else with it21:42
Quintasanyofel: hmm the one that allowed you to say "user quintasan doesn't need to give rootz pswd to do 1337 ha444xor with apt"21:42
apachelogger(no clue what, but as it is now I find it not fitting)21:42
sheytanapachelogger: one sec21:43
murthythe logo can be moved to left bottom21:43
Quintasanyofel: it really did store config in usr?21:43
murthyand the logo can be used like the kickoff21:43
murthyto provide the power and etc options21:43
apacheloggerthat's not obvious though21:44
Quintasanyofel: it seemed really nice until you told me about the config part...21:44
apacheloggerif it was intended to be used like kickoff it needs to be presented in a context like kickoff21:44
* Quintasan shakes fist21:44
yofelkde bug 30893421:44
apacheloggeri.e. the theme would ahve to grow a panel21:44
ubottuKDE bug 308934 in general "polkit-kde-kcmmodules-1 should not edit files in /usr" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30893421:44
Quintasanhmm21:45
murthyalso task_structthat would be nice21:45
Quintasananything else particulary wrong with that one?21:45
apacheloggerQuintasan, yofel: where else would it store the config? ^621:45
murthy*that would be nice21:45
Quintasanapachelogger: rules.d as the bug stated21:45
yofelapachelogger: plz be reading bug... /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/21:46
apacheloggerah21:46
apacheloggerwell21:46
murthysheytan: can you give me a screencast ?21:46
apacheloggercan't be that hard to do21:46
apachelogger Right now, this is messing up the directory structure and often leads to weird issues when debugging polkit problems (from KDE touching other packages' .policy files), and user settings are frequently overwritten on upgrade.21:46
sheytanmurthy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9esojVZcTg21:46
* Quintasan grabs the code thinking he can fix this21:46
sheytanit's a previous version im running right now21:47
apacheloggerjust mark them conffiles :P21:47
apacheloggerwhich they are anyway21:47
apachelogger...21:47
apacheloggersheytan: login takes forever21:47
apacheloggerFOREVER21:47
murthysheytan: the new one21:47
QuintasanFOREVER YOUNG21:47
QuintasanI WANNA BE FOREVER YOUNG21:48
apacheloggersafety dance!21:48
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7hHx7gdN6821:48
sheytanapachelogger: well, let's drop the idea of having a focused user the mockup way21:50
sheytanlet's leave it as is now21:50
sheytanin the current working theme21:50
* apachelogger wonders why sheytan sends weirdly formated html mails :S21:50
sheytanit's kmail not me ;P21:50
apacheloggerstupid thing21:50
apacheloggeranywho21:51
apacheloggerI have no problem with dropping the focus-user21:51
* sheytan is mocking it up now21:52
genii-aroundBut.. that short guy DOES have a hat!21:55
sheytanapachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/one-user-test.png22:10
sheytanhttp://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/more-users-test.png22:10
sheytanand i love this background22:10
sheytanyep, self made22:10
sheytanidea: slide from right to left others system buttons after you press the main one visable on the mockup22:12
sheytanapachelogger: ^22:15
apacheloggerbetter?22:20
sheytanyes, but the top is kinda empty22:21
sheytanapachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/more-users-test-sys-buttons-active.png22:22
apacheloggersheytan: put the logo at the top22:25
apacheloggeror the text back22:25
apacheloggerjust not both22:25
sheytanthat's what i'm about to do22:25
sheytanplus ive got a tip from Nuno ;D22:25
sheytanapachelogger: what do you think about the sys buttons?22:25
murthysheytan: we need space for the virtual keyboad22:26
sheytanmurthy: isn't it movable?22:27
murthysheytan: i thought about the widget22:27
sheytandon't get it22:27
apacheloggersheytan: not a fan of them22:27
apacheloggernever have been22:27
apacheloggerone button to get a menu seems more appropriate22:27
apacheloggerbut that may just be me22:28
murthyapachelogger: you mean the accessibility? 22:28
murthysheytan: at present i wont be able to login without the keyboard22:28
murthyacceptability++22:29
murthy*accessibility22:30
sheytanmurthy: what if we add a 'accessibility' button to the system buttons22:30
murthysheytan: that will do22:31
murthysheytan: also why seperate button for restart?22:31
sheytanthey;re not22:32
sheytanyou got restart, shutdown, sleep and hibernate22:32
murthysheytan:  http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/more-users-test-sys-buttons-active.png ?22:32
murthysheytan: they can be grouped under power button ?22:33
sheytanthat's the idea22:33
murthysheytan: is the bgimage configurable?22:42
sheytanmurthy: yes22:45
murthyok22:45
yofelScottK: 4.9.5 SC up, l10n uploading22:59
sheytanapachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/25/more-users-test-sys-buttons-active-logo.png22:59
yofelshadeslayer: you wanted to update poppler: kde bug 31503123:18
ubottuError: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: [Errno 101] Network is unreachable (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315031&ctype=xml)23:19
yofelkde bug 31503123:19
yofel...23:19
murthyyofel: when the copyright is something like this "1991, 1993  The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved" I should put "1991-1993  The Regents of the University of California" in debian/copyright?23:50
yofelif that's all you have, yeah23:51
yofelwhere's that from though?23:52
murthyyofel: tomohawk23:52
murthyyofel: thirdpart stuff23:52
murthyyofel: *thirdparty23:52
murthyyofel: why did they put"1991-1993" instead of "1991,1993" ?23:53
yofel1991-1993 includes 199223:53
yofelthe latter does not23:54
murthyyofel: ya23:54
murthyyofel: so putting 1991-1993 is wrong?23:54
yofelmurthy: 1991-1993 != 1991,199323:54
yofelif it says -, then do keep that23:54
yofelor you'll change the license years23:54
murthyyofel: can you check what you said previously23:55
yofel1991-1993 equals 1991,1992,199323:55
murthyyofel: yofel: when the copyright is something like this "1991, 1993  The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved" I should put "1991-1993  The Regents of the University of California" in debian/copyright?23:55
murthyyofel: after that23:55
yofelah ok, misread that23:55
yofel1991, 1993 is 1991, 1993 end of story23:56
murthyyofel: so now, what should i put in the debian/copyright?23:56
yofel1991, 1993  The Regents of the University of California23:56
murthyyofel: ok23:56
yofelhm, that file is bsd-3-clause23:57
yofelthirdparty/breakpad/client/mac/handler/breakpad_nlist_64.cc on the other hand is fun23:57
murthyyofel: tomahawk-0.6.0/thirdparty/libportfwd/third-party/miniupnpc-1.6/23:57
yofelbsdqueue.h yes23:58
murthyyofel: we have public-domain and expat too23:58
murthyyofel: in the tomohawk project23:58
yofel"Apple Public Source License" when did they invent that...23:58
murthy:)23:58
murthyyofel: some of the licenses mentioned are incomplete in the source23:59
murthyyofel: they have to be properly derived and mentioned clearly23:59
murthyyofel: have to take a class with our legal expect apachelogger23:59

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