[03:42]  * smartboyhw says good morning to Kubuntu:P
[03:42]  * smartboyhw needs to start backporting calligra for good
[10:54] <yofel> kubotu: newversion digikam 3.0.0 http://www.digikam.org/node/683
[10:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1132393
[11:43] <sheytan_> hey
[11:43] <sheytan_> can anybody remind me please how do you get stuff from bazzar?
[12:08] <yofel> sheytan_: bzr branch <url>, for launchpad url would be lp:~owner/project/branch
[12:08] <sheytan_> thank you :)
[12:17]  * smartboyhw says hello
[13:40] <yofel> afiestas: wrt kscreen: when I attach a completely new monitor, where is it put by the auto configuration? Always on the right of the current primary screen?
[14:03] <Darkwing> Morning
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Evening Darkwing 
[14:03] <Darkwing> Hmmz... this is interesting...
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, *what* is interesting?
[14:04] <Darkwing> LightDM with propriatary AMD drivers
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Oh
[14:04] <Darkwing> LightDM doesn't see two monitors.
[14:04] <Darkwing> So, my login is spread between both screens.
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, whoa!?
[14:05] <Darkwing> Hang on... I'll take a picture as a screen cap wont work right. :D
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, LOL
[14:07] <Darkwing> bk
[14:08] <Darkwing> http://imm.io/XfL7
[14:08] <Darkwing> Like I said, interesting
[14:08] <Darkwing> My desk is trashed right now lol
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, lol. You have better life than me though, my login screen of Kubuntu 13.04 is just complete snowflakes (or white blocks) at the bottom part of screen
[14:11] <Darkwing> I'm on an LTS because AMD can't get their act together and update the HD6500 drivers with new kernels
[14:11] <Darkwing> *On a LTS
[14:12] <Darkwing> Plus, Android stuff doesn't like to build on the newer stuff either... It likes the LTS
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, oh
[14:28] <Riddell> Darkwing: proprietary driver fail!
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, not good
[14:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: so you backporting calligra?
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no I'm syncing the code for Ubuntu Touch....
[14:37] <Darkwing> mwh
[14:37] <Riddell> which is just unity 2d in a more tablety form?
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, bascially yes
[14:37] <Riddell> presumably they're not putting anything in the archive this cycle?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dunno
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm suddenly I know of Project Neon...
[15:26] <yofel> you didn't yet?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> yofel, no:P
[15:26] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[15:26] <yofel> ^^
[15:26]  * smartboyhw only knew it by Calligra 2.6.1 annoucement on website
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Great project:)
[15:27] <Riddell> what's it got to do with Calligra 2.6.1?
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, they include the Project Neon PPA in their annoucements
[15:28] <yofel> yeah, but why in 2.6.1
[15:28] <yofel> neon has 2.7 pre-alpha
[15:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, well dunno
[15:28] <smartboyhw> http://www.calligra.org/news/calligra-2-6-1-released/ But they actually say it's daily snapshots
[15:28] <smartboyhw> Users of Ubuntu and Kubuntu are urged to try the daily snapshots prepared by Project Neon. Paste the following in a terminal window and you’ll find Calligra installed in /opt: 
[15:29] <yofel> probably leftover from the beta and rc's 
[15:29] <yofel> not that it'c currently broken though from what I see
[15:30] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[15:30]  * smartboyhw wonders who can join the project too:P
[15:31] <yofel> anyone with some knowledge about packaging and KDE, poke Quintasan
[15:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[15:31]  * smartboyhw pokes Quintasan (LOL)
[15:32] <smartboyhw> yofel, how's life?
[15:32] <yofel> good in general
[15:33] <yofel> though debugging digikam is annyoing...
[15:33] <smartboyhw> oh
[16:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's the gathering?
[16:44] <Quintasan> wait what
[16:44] <Quintasan> yofel: what do people want from me now? :P
[16:45] <Quintasan> yofel: I got fingerprint scanning to work
[16:45] <yofel> something about smartboyhw wanting to join neon
[16:45] <Quintasan> BUT our lightdm doesn't seem to support that
[16:46] <Quintasan> but the battery live is
[16:46] <Quintasan> urgh
[16:46] <Quintasan> Unexpectedly Linux sucks at this
[16:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: fingerprint scanning is handled at the pam level so it doesn't need the login manager to support it
[16:46] <Riddell> it's just very hard to use without a UI
[16:47] <Quintasan> hmmm
[16:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, I can get sudo rights by scanning my finger but I don't get any prompt on logon
[16:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: how long does your thinkpad last when on battery?
[16:48] <Riddell> dunno, a couple of hours maybe
[16:48] <Quintasan> like 3 or more?
[16:49] <yofel> mine ~4h, but please consider battery size and hardware
[16:49] <yofel> if I don't do much I can get 6h out of it, but that's pretty much only having vim open or so ^^
[16:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes I'd think 3 hours is very common, but I've not timed it as I say
[16:51] <yofel> Quintasan: how large is your batter anyway? (Wh as told by upower --dump)
[16:51]  * Riddell out
[16:51] <yofel> *battery
[16:52] <Quintasan>     energy-full:         56.87 Wh
[16:52] <yofel> that should give you ~3-4h on current hardware I think
[16:52] <Quintasan> oh
[16:53] <Quintasan> I see
[16:53] <yofel> feel free to play around with powertop
[16:53] <Quintasan> I kind of expected that
[16:53] <Quintasan> but
[16:53] <Quintasan> well
[16:53] <Quintasan> it's kind of disappointing :P
[16:53] <Quintasan> powertop?
[16:53] <yofel> intel power measurement tool, tells you how much power you use and what uses it
[16:54] <Quintasan> oh
[16:55] <Quintasan> /usr/bin/ktorrent
[16:55] <Quintasan> well
[16:55] <Quintasan> that's kind of expcted
[16:55] <soee> hi
[16:56] <Quintasan> hello
[17:13] <yofel> wow, archive.ubuntu.com is totally overloaded today
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: exhausted
[17:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hard work these kde conferences
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yus
[17:47] <Quintasan> dem kde conferences
[17:48] <shadeslayer> even more hard work are KDE India conf's
[17:48] <Quintasan> this thinkpad
[17:48] <shadeslayer> because, resource constraints etc
[17:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: project neon help wanted in #kde-devel
[17:52] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/679880/
[17:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:57] <shadeslayer> people from the kde-meetup :)
[18:16] <murthy> hello everyone
[18:18] <Riddell> hi murthy 
[18:18] <murthy> Riddell: hi
[18:20] <sheytan_> apachelogger: pingy
[18:26] <murthy> a sponsor has pointed out to some lintian warnings which my local lintian is not showing, what wrong with my lintian. here is the log given by the sponsor http://paste.ubuntu.com/5557229/
[18:36] <yofel> murthy: that's what you get by running lintian on the finished binary packages
[18:37] <yofel> running it on the changes file pbuilder produces would work
[18:37] <murthy> yofel: the man pages of lintian says, the infos are suppressed by default
[18:38] <murthy> yofel: i have to use the "I" option to display those
[18:38] <murthy> yofel: where is the lintian config file?
[18:38] <yofel> dunno, but you only need to fix the warnings from there (except the standards version stuff)
[18:39] <yofel> too long lines and spelling errors it seems
[18:39] <murthy> yofel: that didn't show up in the test build i did before creating the debdiff
[18:40] <murthy> yofel: does an outdated lintian might be the problem?
[18:40] <yofel> I don't think so...
[18:40] <murthy> yofel: what is the current version
[18:40] <murthy> m4v: ok
[18:40] <murthy> oops
[18:40] <yofel> !info lintian raring
[18:40] <murthy> yofel: ^
[18:41] <yofel> N: Processing binary package libdlna-dev (version 0.2.4-0ubuntu1, arch amd64) ...
[18:41] <yofel> he did a lintian check on the finished binary packe
[18:41] <yofel> *package
[18:41] <murthy> the latest version is installed
[18:42] <yofel> I wonder why lintian doesn't show description warnings for the source though...
[18:42] <murthy> yofel: so i have to add this to my developement workflow?
[18:42] <yofel> you and me
[18:43] <yofel> hm... I'll write a pbuilder hook for that
[18:44] <murthy> yofel: what about setting it here /etc/lintianrc ?
[18:44] <murthy> yofel: "verbose = yes" this option ?
[18:44] <yofel> can you enable those warnings for sources?
[18:45] <yofel> I'm not talking about the N: or I: stuff
[18:45] <yofel> you don't need that
[18:45] <murthy> yofel: oh ok
[18:45] <yofel> but feel free to enable it anyway on your system
[18:46] <murthy> yofel: so when i run lintian on a change file with out any options, it will display the warnings as given by the sponsor?
[18:47] <yofel> I don't know
[18:47] <yofel> I usually don't care much about lintian until it complains by itself
[18:50] <murthy> yofel: i just ran lintian with the changes file and it doesn't show the warning mentioned in the sponsor's log
[18:50] <yofel> ok, now build the package and run it on the binary changes file
[18:51] <yofel> i.e. <arch>.changes, not source.changes
[18:52] <murthy> yofel: dpkg-buildpackage -b ?
[18:52] <yofel> yes
[18:55] <murthy> yofel: warnings in sponsor's log shows up
[18:57] <murthy> yofel: if i do a dpkg-buildpackage, the deps get installed in my system?
[18:58] <yofel> no
[18:58] <murthy> yofel: so it uses pbuilder?
[18:58] <yofel> it'll fail if something's missing though with -b
[18:59] <murthy> yofel: missing what's mentioned in build-depends ?
[18:59] <yofel> yes
[18:59] <murthy> yofel: in that case whats the point in using pbuilder?
[18:59] <murthy> yofel: right
[18:59] <murthy> yofel: about the pbuilder hook'
[19:00] <murthy> yofel: so the hook will do this right?
[19:00] <yofel> the point of using pbuilder is knowing whether something's missing from the build-depends
[19:00] <yofel> yeah, it will, but I won't run it with -Iiv as he did
[19:00] <murthy> yofel: i didn't use that options
[19:01] <murthy> yofel: its verbose attached with description that we don't need
[19:02] <ScottK> yofel: Can haz 4.9.5?
[19:02]  * yofel knew he forgot something
[19:02] <yofel> I'll get to it shortly
[19:02] <ScottK> ;-)
[19:03] <ScottK> Thanks. 
[19:08] <murthy> yofel: so now the bug status is changed to fix released, do i have to submit the corrected changes now or i have to implement the changes in the next version of the app?
[19:09] <yofel> murthy: latter, it got uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdlna/0.2.4-0ubuntu1
[19:10] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:15] <murthy> yofel: on the other day i referred the text of a license and you said it is BSD-3 , did you google it or you know from memory?
[19:16] <yofel> from memory as the bsd variants are rather popular. The DEP-5 documentation has links to the license texts at the bottom that you can look at
[19:18] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:19] <murthy> yofel: its a fresh copyright file
[19:20] <yofel> what do you mean?
[19:22] <murthy> yofel: nm, i am confused a bit
[19:24] <murthy> yofel: files * is gpl-3+ and debian/* is also gpl-3+ . the debian/* is mentioned with a seperate block, shall i merge them?
[19:25] <yofel> nah, it's common to have a seperate block for the packaging even if the license is the same in most cases
[19:25] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:25] <yofel> B09lintian added
[19:26] <murthy> whats that?
[19:27] <yofel> the hook
[19:27] <murthy> yofel: how can i get that?
[19:27] <yofel> update your checkout of the hooks
[19:27] <murthy> yofel: how?
[19:28] <yofel> uhm... if you just used bzr, go to the hookdir and run bzr pull :parent
[19:29] <murthy> yofel: i added the pbuilder hooks to the pbuilderrc that you gave me as text 
[19:29] <yofel> murthy: sure, and where did you put them?
[19:30] <murthy> yofel: etc/pbuilderrc
[19:30] <yofel> not that, where are the hooks?
[19:30] <yofel> i.e. what's HOOKDIR set to?
[19:30] <murthy> yofel: home
[19:31] <yofel> probably not
[19:31] <murthy> yofel: $HOME/.pbuilder-hooks
[19:31] <yofel> right, so go to ~/.pbuilder-hooks and update your checkout
[19:32] <murthy> yofel: "bzr: ERROR: No parent location assigned."
[19:33] <yofel> hm, try 'bzr up'
[19:33] <murthy> yofel: worked
[19:33] <murthy> yofel: got B09lintian
[19:34] <murthy> yofel: so this will get the lintian warning after the build&clean step in pbuilder?
[19:35] <yofel> after build
[19:35] <murthy> yofel: before clean and b10list-missing?
[19:35] <yofel> after build before list-missing
[19:35] <murthy> yofel: i think i am wrong
[19:35] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:36] <murthy> yofel: so it wont be invoked if the build fails right?
[19:37]  * yofel reads manpage
[19:37] <yofel> murthy: right
[19:37] <yofel>               B<digit><digit><whatever-else-you-want> is executed after build system finishes building, successfully, before copying back the build result.
[19:37] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:44] <murthy> yofel: lintian hooks are updated during an upgrade?
[19:47] <yofel> nope
[20:01] <Quintasan> I REALLY wonder
[20:01] <Quintasan> why I can't unlock my seession after wakeup
[20:02] <yofel> blame new screenlocker
[20:02] <yofel> or does it not work at all?
[20:02]  * yofel needs a Vcs-Bzr sanitizer in kubuntu-automation
[20:05] <Quintasan> yofel: I input my password, press unlock
[20:05] <Quintasan> and nothing happens
[20:05] <yofel> bad
[20:06] <Quintasan> WTF
[20:06] <Quintasan> wtf is going on with this laptop
[20:07] <yofel> Quintasan: does *something* happen? (i.e. bad password warning or so?)
[20:07] <genii-around> Sleep-wakeup cycle works here OK, just tried it
[20:07] <Quintasan> yofel: NO
[20:07] <Quintasan> sorry
[20:07] <Quintasan> nothing at all
[20:07] <murthy> yofel: the screen locker works for me
[20:07] <Quintasan> I press unlock, the button gets pushed but nothing happens after that
[20:07] <yofel> Quintasan: you do see that you're inputting characters?
[20:08] <Quintasan> yeah
[20:08] <yofel> murthy: for me too...
[20:11] <murthy> Quintasan: what will happen if you delete ~.Xauthority file?
[20:11] <Quintasan> I restarted it
[20:11] <Quintasan> I'll try trigerring it again
[20:13] <Quintasan> bumblebee 0/10
[20:13] <Quintasan> doesn't work
[20:13] <Quintasan> sigh
[20:44] <Quintasan> christ
[20:44] <Quintasan> I'll try with the nvida blob
[20:44] <Quintasan> if it doesnt work then I'll probablu disable it for now
[20:46] <yofel> nouveau ~worked~ here, but the displayport doesn't work
[20:46] <yofel> the blobs power management is better too
[20:47]  * shadeslayer hit fun PA bugs
[20:47] <shadeslayer> bug 1129990 and bug 1127872
[20:47] <genii-around> I'm currently just using -experimental-310
[20:47] <Quintasan> ehh
[20:48] <yofel> yeah, nvidia-310 here too
[20:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: that's supposed to be fixed?
[20:48] <Quintasan> yofel: Can I turn off the card using bumblebee?
[20:48] <yofel> had to kill it today
[20:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes
[20:48] <yofel> well, let's see
[20:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:48] <Quintasan> I'd just use it to switch off the card with solid xD
[20:48]  * shadeslayer is upgrading
[20:48] <yofel> Quintasan: can't say, my hardware's too old for that ^^
[20:49] <Quintasan> I sometimes really hate how Linux works
[20:49] <yofel> well, we are the believers of forced-freedom
[20:49] <yofel> though I'm partly a heretic by that definition
[20:50] <Quintasan> some things just don't work
[20:51] <shadeslayer> I had a fun time when I discovered that I had accidentally removed all my kernels on the flight -.0
[20:51] <Quintasan> and now it's can't load the $#$@#$#% driver
[20:51] <Quintasan> christ
[20:51] <Quintasan> what's wrong with this
[20:51] <genii-around> shadeslayer: So you copied vmlinuz etc off some livecd/usb ?
[20:51] <shadeslayer> heh no
[20:52] <shadeslayer> luksOpen > mount using lvm > chroot and install kernels > unmount > luksClose
[20:53] <shadeslayer> genii-around: re: <aPpYe> uh ... my system just asked me to upgrade to 13.04.  I installed my own kde desktop from the mini.iso.  I have had only quantal in my souces.list for some time.
[20:53] <shadeslayer> genii-around: what was the fix?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> oor why did that happen?
[20:55] <genii-around> shadeslayer: He crossposted in #ubuntu, where he was told that this is normal for some reason... I didn't check the backscroll to investigate...although I think someone told him to file a bug report also
[20:55] <shadeslayer> I see
[20:55] <shadeslayer> I asked because this was on Kubuntu Devel earlier ( and then forwarded to Ubuntu Devel )
[20:56] <genii-around> He did some nonstandard install from a mini iso 
[20:57] <yofel> sooo... let's see what we have for 4.9.5
[20:57] <Quintasan> YES
[20:57] <Quintasan> IT WORKED
[20:58] <shadeslayer> btw people @ Conf had issues when they upgraded 4.10 + 12.04 to 12.10 + 4.10
[20:58] <shadeslayer> specifically, one was regarding libtag
[20:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: worked here - except digikam breaking
[20:58] <Quintasan> now
[20:58] <yofel> which I hope will work once I backport 3.0.0
[20:58] <Quintasan> I wonder how does one actually do anything with that optirun
[20:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: try installing libtag-dev once you upgrade?
[20:59] <yofel> lemme dig out the vbox snapshot
[21:00] <shadeslayer> IIRC libtag1-dev is 1.8-1 in 12.04 + 4.10 and then once you upgrade there is only 1.8-0ubuntusomething
[21:01] <shadeslayer> and if you have the tag libs stuff installed from the backports PPA, and then try installing the -dev, there's a version mismatch because the -dev depends on 1.8-0 but 1.8-1 is installed
[21:01] <Quintasan> wat
[21:01] <Quintasan> yofel: it has a sim card slot under the batter
[21:01] <Quintasan> lololol
[21:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:01] <Quintasan> how do I configure this
[21:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: standard feature
[21:02] <Quintasan> I BET IT WILL NOT WORK OUT OF BOX
[21:02] <shadeslayer> it needs to have the radio as well
[21:02] <shadeslayer> and unless you added that, the radio is probably not there
[21:02] <shadeslayer> My XPS M1530 had the same slot, except no radio was actually connected
[21:02] <shadeslayer> so it was just a slot :P
[21:03]  * yofel would rather have a 56k modem driver
[21:04] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: how do I check if there is a radio?
[21:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: did you ask for one to be installed?
[21:05] <Quintasan> dunno
[21:05] <Quintasan> it cost a lot of monies so I'm inclined to say there is one
[21:05] <shadeslayer> er
[21:05] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:05] <shadeslayer> would lspci list it?
[21:05]  * shadeslayer is not sure
[21:05] <genii-around> You can get a fairly cheap card like one of those Gobi2000 or such
[21:06] <genii-around> Yes, lspci 
[21:06] <shadeslayer> anyway, I have to sleep, haven't slept at all in the last 2 days
[21:06] <yofel> good night
[21:06] <shadeslayer> night :)
[21:10] <lordievader> Good evening :)
[21:10] <Quintasan> ehh
[21:10] <Quintasan> lordievader: hello
[21:10] <lordievader> Hey Quintasan, how are you?
[21:11] <Quintasan> good I guess
[21:11] <Quintasan> genii-around: seems like there isn't one :<
[21:11] <Quintasan> I'll have to get one then I guess
[21:12] <yofel> Quintasan: can't you use your phone?
[21:12] <Quintasan> thing is
[21:12] <Quintasan> I have 1GB plan on my phone
[21:12] <genii-around> Quintasan: I have one of those Gobi 2000 I mentioned earlier, they have reasonable linux support
[21:13] <yofel> and getting another card would be cheaper than extending the plan?
[21:13] <Quintasan> and I have a second sim card from Aero2 which is testing free internet service in Poland and they give 70GB/month for free
[21:13] <yofel> oh
[21:13] <yofel> ok
[21:13] <Quintasan> yeah, you pay once for the card
[21:13] <Quintasan> and do whatever the hell you want
[21:13] <Quintasan> if you exceed the quota your connection gets downgraded or disabled
[21:13] <Quintasan> don't remember what is it
[21:13] <Quintasan> but I don't care :P
[21:14] <Quintasan> now how do I switch off cards
[21:14] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:14] <yofel> bt/wifi? rfkill
[21:14] <Quintasan> gpu i mean
[21:14] <yofel> ah, dunno
[21:14] <Quintasan> I don't really want to have the nvidia one on all the time
[21:14] <Quintasan> :P
[21:15] <yofel> *sigh*, the whole gpu switching thing would totally work without KMS
[21:17] <Quintasan> wait
[21:17] <Quintasan> it got turned off autmagically aparrently
[21:17] <Quintasan> but lspci still lists it
[21:17] <Quintasan> well
[21:18] <Quintasan> ok
[21:18] <Quintasan> ok
[21:18] <Quintasan> I'm so okay with this
[21:18] <Quintasan> NOW I CAN PLAY TEAM FORTRESS
[21:18]  * yofel would like to have an actually performant opengl stack too
[21:18] <Quintasan> MUAHAHAHAHA
[21:18] <yofel> but now I ask too much I guess
[21:19] <Quintasan> use windows
[21:19] <Quintasan> no matter how much I hate it
[21:19] <yofel> yeah, I know -.-
[21:19] <Quintasan> it actually works good when you want to play games
[21:19] <yofel> that's why I try to use nvidia when I can. The blob's evil, but it works
[21:19] <Quintasan> I sometimes get the idea one should make a plenty of $$$
[21:20] <Quintasan> Hire the best gpu people to write a decent windows server and pay them more monies to do drivers
[21:20] <Quintasan> hell
[21:20] <Quintasan> if they don't provide docs
[21:20] <Quintasan> then do the same thing as they did in ReactOS
[21:21] <Quintasan> what was it called
[21:21] <Quintasan> clean room reverse engineering?
[21:21] <yofel> the nouveau folks already do that
[21:21] <Quintasan> and tell me 3d works
[21:22] <Quintasan> actually I managed to play Half Life on nouveau
[21:22] <yofel> 3d works - mesa just sucks
[21:22] <Quintasan> what the hell is wrong with mesa there
[21:22] <Quintasan> maybe fix this first before doing anything?
[21:22] <Quintasan> it's like they try to insert a nice gpu to a pc with pentium 4
[21:23] <Quintasan> if core is bad the the whole tree won't last long
[21:23] <yofel> well,  not sure what's *wrong* with mesa, but if my card with nouveau performs about the same as my work notebook with intel (which works better in windows) then I tend to blame the common factor
[21:23] <Quintasan> more like root*
[21:24] <murthy> apachelogger: tomahawk v0.6.0, file src/libtomahawk/thirdparty/Qocoa/qtoolbartabdialog.cpp missing copyright
[21:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: yes?
[21:27] <apachelogger> murthy: <muesli> apachelogger: thanks, will fix
[21:27] <sheytan> apachelogger: did you see ldm stuff from yesterday?
[21:27] <apachelogger> nope
[21:28] <apachelogger> anyone got a good movie rcommendation?
[21:29] <murthy> apachelogger: new or old?
[21:29] <genii-around> apachelogger: I just saw Life of Pi and thought it was pretty good
[21:31] <apachelogger> genii-around: yeah, very nice, already saw it though :)
[21:31] <apachelogger> murthy: doesn't matter
[21:31] <murthy> apachelogger: Malizia
[21:31] <apachelogger> murthy: <muesli> apachelogger: done
[21:32] <murthy> apachelogger: nice
[21:32] <murthy> apachelogger: atame
[21:33] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/23/login2-no-bg2.png
[21:34] <sheytan> i can't get agateau to ping
[21:34] <sheytan> and this sucks :D
[21:35] <murthy> sheytan: who did this http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/23/login2-no-bg2.png
[21:35] <Quintasan> We REALLY need to get rid of user management in it's current form
[21:35] <sheytan> murthy: me, it's a mockup
[21:35] <sheytan> but well, not really lot of work to make it a real theme
[21:35] <apachelogger> sheytan: write a mail good sir :P
[21:35] <murthy> sheytan: the user images list is monochrome?
[21:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: how does the backgroudn relate to plymouth tho?
[21:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: your proposal?
[21:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: KUser?
[21:36] <Quintasan> or I can recall afiestas working on something
[21:36] <sheytan> apachelogger: just a quick mock. Background will fit, don;t worry.
[21:37] <sheytan> murthy: the users are nocolored on the list. only the selected user should be in color (don't know yet if it's possible)
[21:37] <Quintasan> FINGERPRINT Y U NO WORK ON LOGON
[21:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ah, I thought you meant the entire paradigm of user management ^^
[21:37] <apachelogger> not the kcm
[21:38] <apachelogger> last I heared afiestas' replacement was starting to work(tm)
[21:38] <murthy> sheytan: so when we click the user in the list, the icon moves to the bottom?
[21:38] <Quintasan> lol no
[21:38] <Quintasan> I just think the kcm is the most dumb thing we have
[21:38] <Quintasan> you click
[21:38] <Quintasan> and then you have to click again to run it
[21:38] <Quintasan> wtf
[21:38] <Quintasan> also
[21:38] <apachelogger> sheytan: I like it
[21:38] <Quintasan> WHAT has happened to the policy kit kcm?
[21:39] <apachelogger> also how the clock is not huge and shit :P
[21:39] <apachelogger> sheytan: from an artistic POV I'd get rid of the logo though
[21:39] <murthy> apachelogger: have you tried the minimal-clock?
[21:39] <apachelogger> sheytan: makes it rather crowded
[21:39] <sheytan> apachelogger: you're too minimalistic 
[21:39] <apachelogger> nah
[21:39] <apachelogger> its just not balanced
[21:39] <sheytan> let's just get rid of X, he? :D
[21:40] <apachelogger> you have loads of crap in the top half
[21:40] <Quintasan> our problem with the login screen is that it does not look really well
[21:40] <Quintasan> wait
[21:40] <apachelogger> and a datetime in the bottom
[21:40] <Quintasan> nvm
[21:40] <apachelogger> also
[21:40] <Quintasan> I was thinking about the background and realised there isn't an OS that doesn't have that out of sync
[21:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: note that most installs actually end up having one (or max two) users
[21:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger++
[21:41] <Quintasan> long gone are the days when 3 or more people use the same pc
[21:41] <sheytan> apachelogger: i did. 
[21:41] <apachelogger> well, actually two
[21:41] <apachelogger> like user and guest
[21:41] <apachelogger> point being
[21:41] <yofel> Quintasan: polkit kcm? the thing that stores configs in /usr? was deemed evil
[21:41] <apachelogger> please mock with only one user and guest
[21:41] <sheytan> apachelogger: simply imaging there's only guest account left in the list ;)
[21:42] <apachelogger> perhaps then you'll agree with droppig the logo :P
[21:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: it's one thing to magine and one to see it
[21:42] <sheytan> ok ok ;d
[21:42] <apachelogger> I'd really drop the logo though
[21:42] <apachelogger> or do somethign else with it
[21:42] <Quintasan> yofel: hmm the one that allowed you to say "user quintasan doesn't need to give rootz pswd to do 1337 ha444xor with apt"
[21:42] <apachelogger> (no clue what, but as it is now I find it not fitting)
[21:43] <sheytan> apachelogger: one sec
[21:43] <murthy> the logo can be moved to left bottom
[21:43] <Quintasan> yofel: it really did store config in usr?
[21:43] <murthy> and the logo can be used like the kickoff
[21:43] <murthy> to provide the power and etc options
[21:44] <apachelogger> that's not obvious though
[21:44] <Quintasan> yofel: it seemed really nice until you told me about the config part...
[21:44] <apachelogger> if it was intended to be used like kickoff it needs to be presented in a context like kickoff
[21:44]  * Quintasan shakes fist
[21:44] <yofel> kde bug 308934
[21:44] <apachelogger> i.e. the theme would ahve to grow a panel
[21:45] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:45] <murthy> also task_structthat would be nice
[21:45] <Quintasan> anything else particulary wrong with that one?
[21:45] <apachelogger> Quintasan, yofel: where else would it store the config? ^6
[21:45] <murthy> *that would be nice
[21:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: rules.d as the bug stated
[21:46] <yofel> apachelogger: plz be reading bug... /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/
[21:46] <apachelogger> ah
[21:46] <apachelogger> well
[21:46] <murthy> sheytan: can you give me a screencast ?
[21:46] <apachelogger> can't be that hard to do
[21:46] <apachelogger>  Right now, this is messing up the directory structure and often leads to weird issues when debugging polkit problems (from KDE touching other packages' .policy files), and user settings are frequently overwritten on upgrade.
[21:46] <sheytan> murthy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9esojVZcTg
[21:46]  * Quintasan grabs the code thinking he can fix this
[21:47] <sheytan> it's a previous version im running right now
[21:47] <apachelogger> just mark them conffiles :P
[21:47] <apachelogger> which they are anyway
[21:47] <apachelogger> ...
[21:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: login takes forever
[21:47] <apachelogger> FOREVER
[21:47] <murthy> sheytan: the new one
[21:47] <Quintasan> FOREVER YOUNG
[21:48] <Quintasan> I WANNA BE FOREVER YOUNG
[21:48] <apachelogger> safety dance!
[21:48] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7hHx7gdN68
[21:50] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, let's drop the idea of having a focused user the mockup way
[21:50] <sheytan> let's leave it as is now
[21:50] <sheytan> in the current working theme
[21:50]  * apachelogger wonders why sheytan sends weirdly formated html mails :S
[21:50] <sheytan> it's kmail not me ;P
[21:50] <apachelogger> stupid thing
[21:51] <apachelogger> anywho
[21:51] <apachelogger> I have no problem with dropping the focus-user
[21:52]  * sheytan is mocking it up now
[21:55] <genii-around> But.. that short guy DOES have a hat!
[22:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/one-user-test.png
[22:10] <sheytan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/more-users-test.png
[22:10] <sheytan> and i love this background
[22:10] <sheytan> yep, self made
[22:12] <sheytan> idea: slide from right to left others system buttons after you press the main one visable on the mockup
[22:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: ^
[22:20] <apachelogger> better?
[22:21] <sheytan> yes, but the top is kinda empty
[22:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/more-users-test-sys-buttons-active.png
[22:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: put the logo at the top
[22:25] <apachelogger> or the text back
[22:25] <apachelogger> just not both
[22:25] <sheytan> that's what i'm about to do
[22:25] <sheytan> plus ive got a tip from Nuno ;D
[22:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: what do you think about the sys buttons?
[22:26] <murthy> sheytan: we need space for the virtual keyboad
[22:27] <sheytan> murthy: isn't it movable?
[22:27] <murthy> sheytan: i thought about the widget
[22:27] <sheytan> don't get it
[22:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: not a fan of them
[22:27] <apachelogger> never have been
[22:27] <apachelogger> one button to get a menu seems more appropriate
[22:28] <apachelogger> but that may just be me
[22:28] <murthy> apachelogger: you mean the accessibility? 
[22:28] <murthy> sheytan: at present i wont be able to login without the keyboard
[22:29] <murthy> acceptability++
[22:30] <murthy> *accessibility
[22:30] <sheytan> murthy: what if we add a 'accessibility' button to the system buttons
[22:31] <murthy> sheytan: that will do
[22:31] <murthy> sheytan: also why seperate button for restart?
[22:32] <sheytan> they;re not
[22:32] <sheytan> you got restart, shutdown, sleep and hibernate
[22:32] <murthy> sheytan:  http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/24/more-users-test-sys-buttons-active.png ?
[22:33] <murthy> sheytan: they can be grouped under power button ?
[22:33] <sheytan> that's the idea
[22:42] <murthy> sheytan: is the bgimage configurable?
[22:45] <sheytan> murthy: yes
[22:45] <murthy> ok
[22:59] <yofel> ScottK: 4.9.5 SC up, l10n uploading
[22:59] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/25/more-users-test-sys-buttons-active-logo.png
[23:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: you wanted to update poppler: kde bug 315031
[23:19] <yofel> kde bug 315031
[23:19] <yofel> ...
[23:50] <murthy> yofel: when the copyright is something like this "1991, 1993  The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved" I should put "1991-1993  The Regents of the University of California" in debian/copyright?
[23:51] <yofel> if that's all you have, yeah
[23:52] <yofel> where's that from though?
[23:52] <murthy> yofel: tomohawk
[23:52] <murthy> yofel: thirdpart stuff
[23:52] <murthy> yofel: *thirdparty
[23:53] <murthy> yofel: why did they put"1991-1993" instead of "1991,1993" ?
[23:53] <yofel> 1991-1993 includes 1992
[23:54] <yofel> the latter does not
[23:54] <murthy> yofel: ya
[23:54] <murthy> yofel: so putting 1991-1993 is wrong?
[23:54] <yofel> murthy: 1991-1993 != 1991,1993
[23:54] <yofel> if it says -, then do keep that
[23:54] <yofel> or you'll change the license years
[23:55] <murthy> yofel: can you check what you said previously
[23:55] <yofel> 1991-1993 equals 1991,1992,1993
[23:55] <murthy> yofel: yofel: when the copyright is something like this "1991, 1993  The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved" I should put "1991-1993  The Regents of the University of California" in debian/copyright?
[23:55] <murthy> yofel: after that
[23:55] <yofel> ah ok, misread that
[23:56] <yofel> 1991, 1993 is 1991, 1993 end of story
[23:56] <murthy> yofel: so now, what should i put in the debian/copyright?
[23:56] <yofel> 1991, 1993  The Regents of the University of California
[23:56] <murthy> yofel: ok
[23:57] <yofel> hm, that file is bsd-3-clause
[23:57] <yofel> thirdparty/breakpad/client/mac/handler/breakpad_nlist_64.cc on the other hand is fun
[23:57] <murthy> yofel: tomahawk-0.6.0/thirdparty/libportfwd/third-party/miniupnpc-1.6/
[23:58] <yofel> bsdqueue.h yes
[23:58] <murthy> yofel: we have public-domain and expat too
[23:58] <murthy> yofel: in the tomohawk project
[23:58] <yofel> "Apple Public Source License" when did they invent that...
[23:58] <murthy> :)
[23:59] <murthy> yofel: some of the licenses mentioned are incomplete in the source
[23:59] <murthy> yofel: they have to be properly derived and mentioned clearly
[23:59] <murthy> yofel: have to take a class with our legal expect apachelogger