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tiduxany chance of a port to the Nook Color, or is it too underpowered?02:02
tiduxscrew it, I'll try it myself02:48
ethana3Is it possible to take the files from Ubuntu Desktop for the Nexus 7 and put them on top of the kernel for Ubuntu Touch Preview for the Nexus 10?03:12
ethana3I've been running gimp in Ubuntu in a VM on rooted Android for a while, and part of why I wanted Ubuntu to run natively on it was for better performance03:13
ali1234ethana3: no absolutely not03:14
ali1234touch preview does not support X1103:15
ethana3ali1234: ok, thank you03:19
ethana3ali1234: are there regular updates being made available for Ubuntu Touch preview yet, or is it going to be just this initial drop and then nightlies and maybe something else in several months and so on?03:19
ali1234ethana3: there is an image for nexus 7 that is just straight ubuntu desktop03:20
ali1234you can run gimp on that03:20
ali1234no need for touch preview03:20
ali1234as for updates, we don't know yet03:20
ethana3ali1234: Right; I currently only have the Nexus 10; I was going to get a Nexus 4 after I built a new desktop pc03:20
ethana3ali1234: ok03:20
ali1234oh i see yes03:20
ali1234no that won't work, sorry03:20
ethana3fair enough, we'll get there-- awesome work so far everyone03:21
ali1234touch preview uses android kernel03:21
ethana3...desktop.. doesn't?03:21
ali1234desktop uses vanilla linux03:21
ethana3whoa..  I'm impressed :D03:21
ali1234see, touch preview is this crazy hack... ubuntu runs in a chroot inside minimal android03:21
ali1234touch preview UI is Qt5 with surface flinger backend03:22
ali1234no X11 at all03:22
ali1234the older n7 desktop build is just a standard arm port with normal linux stuff like X1103:22
ali1234the binaries would run on N10 if you had a kernel for it03:23
ali1234i heard it has same chipset as arm chromebooks so maybe it is doable03:23
ali1234but not with touch preview stuff03:23
ethana3I heard the ChromeBook Pixel comes with CoreBoot03:23
ethana3I must admit, the whole partition scheme and different levels of memory security and things baffle me with mobile devices03:24
ethana3I understand desktops and laptops, you've got your master boot record or superior alternative, you've got your file systems, your OSes, your bios/uefi, etc..03:25
ethana3on tablets and phones.. I don't really know.. where things are... or what's going on03:25
ali1234yeah03:25
ali1234and the thing is every phone is different too03:25
ali1234there is no bios on ARM03:26
ali1234everyone just does whatever03:26
ethana3Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh03:26
ali1234and since it's all in one chip... no need for autocinfiguration of memory addresses03:26
ali1234so the drivers just have to know that $this device is at $that memory address03:26
ali1234so what they've done is just paste ubuntu on top of android drivers03:27
ali1234this is quite an impressive feat actually, because of the different libc03:27
ali1234it's much more interesting for developers than the shiny UI demo they've done, imo03:27
ethana3I'm finding that there's a lot of Android apps I kind of miss, so I'd like to install it again.. but before I do that, is there any way you'd recommend to dual-boot?03:28
ali1234i would not recommend it03:28
ali1234only method i know is for N703:28
ali1234and it looks dodgy03:29
ali1234the preview isn't meant to be actually used :)03:29
ali1234except as a development platform03:29
ethana3is that dodginess an inherent limitation or just the current state of affairs?03:29
ali1234a little of both i guess03:29
ali1234it's not like you can just partition the device in half03:30
ethana3......oh.03:30
ali1234it's already got a million and one partitions03:30
ethana3oh?03:30
ali1234and things expect them to be in the right place03:30
ali1234and every phone has a different partitioning system03:30
ali1234my SGS actually uses llvm03:30
ali1234crazy03:30
ethana3I've never actually seen what the partition tables look like, since I can't exactly run gparted on it03:30
ali1234you can adb into device03:31
ali1234and poke around03:31
ali1234if rooted03:31
ethana3that's how I backed mine up03:31
ali1234in touch preview or android or even recovery03:31
ethana3is it just.. different paths mapped to different partitions?03:31
ali1234it's a whole world of crazy like nothing you've seen before03:31
ethana3o.O03:31
ethana3*whimper* I've gotten that feeling before, but I just figured it was only because I'm not that experienced with it03:32
ethana3I think having persistent images that I could store on my laptop or what have you would be almost as good as dual-booting03:34
ali1234well they do persist, if you don't delete them03:34
ali1234phablet-flash downloads everything to ~/Downloads03:35
ethana3I mean like, dropping the whole Android device onto my laptop03:35
ethana3and then dropping the Ubuntu device back onto the tablet03:35
ethana3and going back and forth that way03:35
ethana3all 16GB, each time03:35
ali1234oh like nandroid images?03:35
ethana3perhaps; I can't say I really understand that either03:35
ali1234me either03:35
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rob_wwhere do i find informations about those codenames and which unit they are :  maguro,manta,mako,grouper12:52
AlanBellgood afternoon/morning/evening all13:56
AlanBellI hope you are having a phabulous time with your phablets13:56
AlanBellAs phone and tablets are now all part of the Ubuntu Touch platform we are merging the #ubuntu-phone and #ubuntu-tablet channels into a converged #ubuntu-touch channel13:56
AlanBellplease hold tight and enjoy the ride, you might automatically end up in #ubuntu-touch, if you don't automatically end up there, please join the #ubuntu-touch channel13:57

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