[02:02] <tidux> any chance of a port to the Nook Color, or is it too underpowered?
[02:48] <tidux> screw it, I'll try it myself
[03:12] <ethana3> Is it possible to take the files from Ubuntu Desktop for the Nexus 7 and put them on top of the kernel for Ubuntu Touch Preview for the Nexus 10?
[03:13] <ethana3> I've been running gimp in Ubuntu in a VM on rooted Android for a while, and part of why I wanted Ubuntu to run natively on it was for better performance
[03:14] <ali1234> ethana3: no absolutely not
[03:15] <ali1234> touch preview does not support X11
[03:19] <ethana3> ali1234: ok, thank you
[03:19] <ethana3> ali1234: are there regular updates being made available for Ubuntu Touch preview yet, or is it going to be just this initial drop and then nightlies and maybe something else in several months and so on?
[03:20] <ali1234> ethana3: there is an image for nexus 7 that is just straight ubuntu desktop
[03:20] <ali1234> you can run gimp on that
[03:20] <ali1234> no need for touch preview
[03:20] <ali1234> as for updates, we don't know yet
[03:20] <ethana3> ali1234: Right; I currently only have the Nexus 10; I was going to get a Nexus 4 after I built a new desktop pc
[03:20] <ethana3> ali1234: ok
[03:20] <ali1234> oh i see yes
[03:20] <ali1234> no that won't work, sorry
[03:21] <ethana3> fair enough, we'll get there-- awesome work so far everyone
[03:21] <ali1234> touch preview uses android kernel
[03:21] <ethana3> ...desktop.. doesn't?
[03:21] <ali1234> desktop uses vanilla linux
[03:21] <ethana3> whoa..  I'm impressed :D
[03:21] <ali1234> see, touch preview is this crazy hack... ubuntu runs in a chroot inside minimal android
[03:22] <ali1234> touch preview UI is Qt5 with surface flinger backend
[03:22] <ali1234> no X11 at all
[03:22] <ali1234> the older n7 desktop build is just a standard arm port with normal linux stuff like X11
[03:23] <ali1234> the binaries would run on N10 if you had a kernel for it
[03:23] <ali1234> i heard it has same chipset as arm chromebooks so maybe it is doable
[03:23] <ali1234> but not with touch preview stuff
[03:23] <ethana3> I heard the ChromeBook Pixel comes with CoreBoot
[03:24] <ethana3> I must admit, the whole partition scheme and different levels of memory security and things baffle me with mobile devices
[03:25] <ethana3> I understand desktops and laptops, you've got your master boot record or superior alternative, you've got your file systems, your OSes, your bios/uefi, etc..
[03:25] <ethana3> on tablets and phones.. I don't really know.. where things are... or what's going on
[03:25] <ali1234> yeah
[03:25] <ali1234> and the thing is every phone is different too
[03:26] <ali1234> there is no bios on ARM
[03:26] <ali1234> everyone just does whatever
[03:26] <ethana3> Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:26] <ali1234> and since it's all in one chip... no need for autocinfiguration of memory addresses
[03:26] <ali1234> so the drivers just have to know that $this device is at $that memory address
[03:27] <ali1234> so what they've done is just paste ubuntu on top of android drivers
[03:27] <ali1234> this is quite an impressive feat actually, because of the different libc
[03:27] <ali1234> it's much more interesting for developers than the shiny UI demo they've done, imo
[03:28] <ethana3> I'm finding that there's a lot of Android apps I kind of miss, so I'd like to install it again.. but before I do that, is there any way you'd recommend to dual-boot?
[03:28] <ali1234> i would not recommend it
[03:28] <ali1234> only method i know is for N7
[03:29] <ali1234> and it looks dodgy
[03:29] <ali1234> the preview isn't meant to be actually used :)
[03:29] <ali1234> except as a development platform
[03:29] <ethana3> is that dodginess an inherent limitation or just the current state of affairs?
[03:29] <ali1234> a little of both i guess
[03:30] <ali1234> it's not like you can just partition the device in half
[03:30] <ethana3> ......oh.
[03:30] <ali1234> it's already got a million and one partitions
[03:30] <ethana3> oh?
[03:30] <ali1234> and things expect them to be in the right place
[03:30] <ali1234> and every phone has a different partitioning system
[03:30] <ali1234> my SGS actually uses llvm
[03:30] <ali1234> crazy
[03:30] <ethana3> I've never actually seen what the partition tables look like, since I can't exactly run gparted on it
[03:31] <ali1234> you can adb into device
[03:31] <ali1234> and poke around
[03:31] <ali1234> if rooted
[03:31] <ethana3> that's how I backed mine up
[03:31] <ali1234> in touch preview or android or even recovery
[03:31] <ethana3> is it just.. different paths mapped to different partitions?
[03:31] <ali1234> it's a whole world of crazy like nothing you've seen before
[03:31] <ethana3> o.O
[03:32] <ethana3> *whimper* I've gotten that feeling before, but I just figured it was only because I'm not that experienced with it
[03:34] <ethana3> I think having persistent images that I could store on my laptop or what have you would be almost as good as dual-booting
[03:34] <ali1234> well they do persist, if you don't delete them
[03:35] <ali1234> phablet-flash downloads everything to ~/Downloads
[03:35] <ethana3> I mean like, dropping the whole Android device onto my laptop
[03:35] <ethana3> and then dropping the Ubuntu device back onto the tablet
[03:35] <ethana3> and going back and forth that way
[03:35] <ethana3> all 16GB, each time
[03:35] <ali1234> oh like nandroid images?
[03:35] <ethana3> perhaps; I can't say I really understand that either
[03:35] <ali1234> me either
[12:52] <rob_w> where do i find informations about those codenames and which unit they are :  maguro,manta,mako,grouper
[13:56] <AlanBell> good afternoon/morning/evening all
[13:56] <AlanBell> I hope you are having a phabulous time with your phablets
[13:56] <AlanBell> As phone and tablets are now all part of the Ubuntu Touch platform we are merging the #ubuntu-phone and #ubuntu-tablet channels into a converged #ubuntu-touch channel
[13:57] <AlanBell> please hold tight and enjoy the ride, you might automatically end up in #ubuntu-touch, if you don't automatically end up there, please join the #ubuntu-touch channel