[10:07] <Squirm> morning
[10:08] <Squirm> uh, afternoon
[10:10] <Vince-0> yar
[11:53] <kbmonkey> hello
[11:58] <Squirm> hi
[13:03] <Vince-0> haai
[13:06] <kbmonkey> how goes it all?
[13:17] <Vince-0> same shizl
[13:18] <kbmonkey> ma nizzle
[13:18] <kbmonkey> discovering how to adjust pygame surface hue's. fun stuff.
[13:24] <Vince-0> I stripped my asus transformer tab
[13:24] <Vince-0> darned volume buttons are cheap
[13:25] <charl_> good afternoon
[13:26] <Vince-0> haai
[13:26] <charl_> hi Vince-0 
[13:27] <charl_> i think i am switching to mint cinnamon after all
[13:27] <charl_> i'll do it tomorrow or sometime this week
[13:27] <charl_> xfce is good but i like cinnamon's menu
[13:28] <Vince-0> yar
[13:28] <Vince-0> I'm a gnome shell user atm -
[13:29] <Vince-0> not to all: try not buy the first version of a gadget. It always sux and is succeeded quickly
[13:30] <charl_> yeah it's an early adopter problem
[13:31] <kbmonkey> cinnamon is the gnome 2 fork, right?
[13:35] <charl_> nope that's mate
[13:36] <charl_> cinnamon is a fairly new one
[13:36] <charl_> oh wait, it's also a gnome fork
[13:36] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(user_interface)
[13:36] <charl_> but there is also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(desktop_environment)
[13:41] <kbmonkey> ah :)
[13:41] <kbmonkey> I'm still using snapwm
[13:41] <kbmonkey> I also have catwm setup, but don't log into it much
[13:42] <kbmonkey> and spectrwm setup. too man -wm's here XD
[13:42] <charl_> don't know it but it's tiling right?
[13:42] <kbmonkey> yes it's tiling, but it also has floating like you know it.
[13:42] <kbmonkey> you can tell each desktop to use a different layout
[13:43] <charl_> ah
[13:43] <charl_> i really want to try one of those
[13:43] <kbmonkey> its nice to say run htop, vnstat, slurm and others and have them show in neat blocks automatically :]
[13:43] <charl_> i don't have big expectations of a desktop environment because at home i just use my laptop and i have a 14,5" screen
[13:44] <kbmonkey> oh definitely, I started on tiling because my netbook had such a small screen. 10"
[13:44] <kbmonkey> it maximizes space
[13:44] <charl_> i normally only have one thing open on my screen at a time, things that are important to me is to be able to switch between applications and launch applications
[13:44] <charl_> preferably by using the keyboard only, i hate using the mouse/touchpad
[13:45] <kbmonkey> we're kindred folk then charl_ 
[13:45] <kbmonkey> do you use vi sometimes to edit files charl_ ?
[13:45] <charl_> i use vim as my primary editor
[13:46] <charl_> at work i use a variety of tools though, also some ide applications
[13:46] <kbmonkey> well tiling switches windows with vi-like style. Super+j/k is the new alt-tab
[13:47] <charl_> i could get used to it, especially if it's small, fast and configurable
[13:48] <charl_> wow the snow came down quite hard the last day in my region
[13:49] <charl_> somewhat unusual
[13:49] <kbmonkey> I have not tried this yet, but you may like to browse http://i3wm.org/
[13:49] <charl_> especially for late-february
[13:49] <kbmonkey> snow? wow no chance of that here :)
[13:49] <charl_> oh yes! i was looking at i3 the other day
[13:49] <charl_> very nice
[13:49] <kbmonkey> if I set it up one day I'll note the steps
[13:49] <charl_> cool
[13:50] <charl_> ah i see there is an i3-wm package in ubuntu
[13:50] <kbmonkey> really? cool.
[13:51] <charl_> strange, i don't see a snapwm package though
[13:51] <charl_> i might try i3 first then
[13:51] <kbmonkey> you probably choose i3 in the login screen then, under 'sessions'
[13:51] <charl_> yes
[13:51] <charl_> something simple to get me started
[13:51] <kbmonkey> tip: write down the essential keyboard commands first. it helps :)
[13:52] <charl_> oh yes good idea actually
[13:52] <charl_> brb
[13:52] <kbmonkey> spectrwm won't be in the repos, its still in development
[16:43] <zeref> hmmmm
[16:48] <Tonberry> this is very strange, sometimes my nfs mounts only show an empty directory, other times they work fine
[16:48] <Tonberry> and then it is only some of them breaking
[16:49] <Tonberry> i can even unmount a working one and then remount it and sometimes get the empty directory
[16:49] <Trixar_za> Is it an encrypted partition?
[16:50] <Tonberry> no
[16:50] <Trixar_za> Then that's strange
[16:51] <Trixar_za> Is the partition alright? Does ntfsfix command give errors?
[16:52] <Tonberry> nfs not ntfs
[16:52] <zeref> ls
[16:52] <Trixar_za> Oo
[16:52] <Trixar_za> what is nfs? :P
[16:53] <Tonberry> network file system
[16:54] <Trixar_za> Ah, up to speed now
[16:54] <Trixar_za> Thanks Wikipedia :P
[16:54] <Trixar_za> Looks interesting
[16:58] <Kilos> evening all
[16:58] <Tonberry> hello
[17:37] <charl_> hi
[17:37] <charl_> hi Kilos, Tonberry, Trixar_za
[17:38] <Kilos> hi charl_ Trixar_za Tonberry
[17:38] <charl_> how's it going Kilos 
[17:38] <charl_> i don't chat on here much any more during the week, am too busy
[17:38] <Kilos> at the moment ok ty after many installs
[17:38] <Kilos> starting to hate 12.04
[17:38] <charl_> what were you installing? ubuntu?
[17:39] <Kilos> on kde 12.04 now
[17:39] <charl_> ah nice
[17:39] <charl_> i like it
[17:39] <charl_> although the alpha of kubuntu 13.04 is looking super sexy
[17:39] <charl_> am looking forward to it
[17:39] <Kilos> my unity crashed and then couldnt see modem 2 installs then couldnt login past password 2 installs
[17:40] <charl_> bah
[17:40] <charl_> that's terrible
[17:40] <Kilos> need to install gdm on the unity that cant get past the password but was treying to stretch data to month end
[17:40] <Kilos> trying
[17:40] <charl_> sucks man
[17:41] <Kilos> anyway gave up now i got the 2+1 bundle to use inna month and 5 days
[17:41] <Kilos> sigh
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <charl_> i want to install mint cinnamon on my laptop this week
[17:41] <charl_> i am very impressed
[17:41] <charl_> i am running it inside a virtual machine at work
[17:42] <Kilos> im sure ive installed 12.02 more than any 3 other peeps combined
[17:42] <charl_> lol
[17:42] <charl_> that sounds like it
[17:42] <Kilos> well 6 installs just today
[17:42] <charl_> i reformat my laptop a lot as well but it's just because i like trying different things
[17:42] <charl_> i used to also battle with my huawei 3g modem and other stuff
[17:43] <charl_> right now i have a lenovo laptop and i don't need 3g anymore so everything just works
[17:43] <Kilos> im trying to fix scrap drives and somehow they help crash things
[17:43] <Kilos> yeah 3g can be a pain hey?
[17:43] <charl_> yes
[17:43] <charl_> the built-in drivers on ubuntu never worked for me
[17:43] <charl_> i was using some open source vodafone application to manage it for me
[17:44] <charl_> it worked quite well (most of the time) but with some versions of ubuntu it broke
[17:44] <Kilos> dont you know about sakis3g
[17:44] <charl_> sometimes i had to downgrade, other times there was a workaround
[17:44] <Kilos> tiny scrip thingie that works well
[17:44] <charl_> never tried it, not sure if it was around back then
[17:45] <charl_> the one i used was this: https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[17:45] <Kilos> only prob you gotta first do apt-get update and with no connection it cant get some package
[17:45] <charl_> yup i used to install it on my dsl at home first
[17:45] <Kilos> libusb-dev i think
[17:45] <charl_> yes that sounds familiar
[17:45] <Kilos> grrr
[17:46] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <charl_> if you don't have lan cable or wifi it can get tricky to get stuff set up
[17:46] <Kilos> yeah tell me about it
[17:46] <charl_> i used to run debian on my old laptop but then i had to get some package installed for my wifi to work
[17:46] <charl_> i think it was a binary driver or something
[17:46] <charl_> i eventually figured out a way to download the packages first and put them on my installation flash drive
[17:47] <charl_> then i would install those packages with dpkg after a reformat
[17:47] <Kilos> the good thing about 12.04 is that it sees my old nokia first time
[17:47] <charl_> so that i could get back on wifi to be able to do anything else
[17:47] <Kilos> maybe my prob is because of foreign modem
[17:47] <charl_> if you know the exact list of dependencies you should be able to do something similar
[17:48] <Kilos> but then it shouldnt see it sometimes
[17:48] <charl_> foreign modem
[17:48] <charl_> ?
[17:48] <Kilos> i have my whole archives saved but you cant install anything till you done apt-get update
[17:48] <Kilos> saudi arabia
[17:49] <charl_> bah that sucks
[17:49] <charl_> you have an saudi modem? wow ok
[17:49] <charl_> *a saudi
[17:49] <Kilos> but the weird part is that both kde and unity see the modem at different times
[17:50] <charl_> that's possible, it's two different connection manager tools
[17:50] <Kilos> boet gave it to me and had to unlock from them to get local providers working
[17:50] <Kilos> n o man
[17:51] <Kilos> last time i got it working i had to install both kde and unity and reboot before even plugin it in
[17:51] <Kilos> this last kde i plugged in when strating the install but only connected after install
[17:52] <Kilos> other ways didnt work
[17:52] <Kilos> and unity had to actually be connected before reboot then unplugged then it saw it after reboot
[17:53] <Kilos> every install different
[17:53] <Kilos> sigh
[17:53] <charl_> afaik unity uses wicd https://launchpad.net/wicd
[17:53] <charl_> kde uses KNetworkManager
[17:54] <tumbleweed> I'd be amased if unity used wicd
[17:54] <tumbleweed> amazed even
[17:54] <tumbleweed> gnome desktop uses network-manager
[17:54] <charl_> maybe they are using something else? sorry can't verify not on it right now
[17:54] <tumbleweed> unity has always used network-manager, as far as I know
[17:55] <tumbleweed> wicd is kind of weird and crazy
[17:55] <charl_> ah found it, yes
[17:56] <charl_> you're right, thanks
[17:57] <charl_> i didn't have a great experience with the old gnome connection manager or whatever it was called but it could have been driver related
[17:58] <tumbleweed> presumably. pretty much everyone uses network-manager these days, so it's all the same under the hood
[17:58] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed
[17:58] <tumbleweed> hi
[17:59] <tumbleweed> and on that note, I'm going out for a bit :)
[17:59] <Kilos> nm used to work first time
[17:59] <Kilos> methinks its just a 12.04 thing
[17:59] <Kilos> 12.10 didnt have probs here
[17:59] <Kilos> yo smile4ever
[17:59] <smile4ever> hi :)
[17:59] <smile4ever> :D
[18:01] <charl_> now that i look at it properly, what i have here running inside mint xfce might also be network-manager in fact
[18:01] <charl_> hi smile4ever 
[18:01] <smile4ever> hi )
[18:01] <smile4ever> :)
[18:01] <charl_> is it snowing that hard in belgium too?
[18:01] <charl_> we got a lot of snow the last day
[18:02] <charl_> didn't expect this so late in february
[18:02] <smile4ever> yes, charl_ :(
[18:02] <charl_> you don't like the snow?
[18:02] <smile4ever> Hehe, had to ride with the car :P
[18:02] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:02] <charl_> ah no that's not so nice
[18:03] <charl_> although, if you drive carefully and you have the right tires, it should be ok right?
[18:03] <charl_> (have never driven through the snow in a car myself, only with a bicycle)
[18:06] <smile4ever> yes, charl_
[18:06] <smile4ever> the roads were fine
[18:06] <smile4ever> salt works good ^^ :)
[18:06] <charl_> ah yes, that's not bad at all then
[18:08] <charl_> most of the bicycle roads here are also well salted, it's just when you go to the "buitenwijken" when it gets difficult
[18:08] <charl_> they don't salt at all in most of the smaller roads
[18:08] <charl_> it's very easy to slip when you're on a bike, but it's ok if you drive slowly and don't move out of first gear
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <charl_> i'm fortunate that i live on a major road so i have a clean salted experience all the way from where i live to where i work :)
[18:09] <smile4ever> suburbs is the translation :)
[18:10] <smile4ever> charl_: do you have experience? :p
[18:10] <charl_> ah, is that what you call it :)
[18:10] <smile4ever> yes :)
[18:10] <charl_> yeah some people i know live a little on the outskirts of the city so i'm careful
[18:10] <charl_> but i never really slipped badly so i'm fortunate
[18:10] <charl_> never fell in any case
[18:16] <smile4ever> charl_: great. cause I did
[18:17] <smile4ever> hehe. :P
[18:17] <charl_> :(
[18:17] <smile4ever> on the market square @ Sint-Niklaas
[18:17] <smile4ever> they've done a great job for making it ideal to break your legs over there.
[18:17] <charl_> ouch
[18:17] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:17] <charl_> ooooh
[18:17] <charl_> on the hard stone not good
[18:18] <smile4ever> it's 100% flat = slippery
[18:18] <charl_> yeah no that's no good
[18:18]  * Squirm yawns
[18:18] <smile4ever> no they are just stupid, the town council  :P
[18:18] <Squirm> hello
[18:18] <charl_> brb have to take the washing out of the machine and put it in dryer
[18:19] <charl_> hi Squirm 
[18:19] <smile4ever> hello Squirm
[18:20] <smile4ever> "Dankie dat jy Firefox gekies het! Om meer uit jou blaaier te kry, kom gerus meer te wete oor die jongste kenmerke." :p
[18:20] <smile4ever> ^^
[18:21] <charl_> what dialect is that?
[18:24] <smile4ever> charl_: lol, "Afrikaans"
[18:24] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:24] <charl_> oh yes of course, i thought it looked like some dialect of dutch
[18:24] <charl_> ok i'm off, have a good evening all!
[18:25] <smile4ever> :)
[18:52] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:11] <smile4ever> :)
[19:32] <smile4ever> bye :p
[20:09] <zeref> hmm
[20:11] <zeref> i'm trying set up connection sharing. debian->ubuntu. It connects then disconnects immediatly