| pitti | Good morning | 05:41 |
|---|---|---|
| didrocks | good morning | 06:45 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 07:04 |
| didrocks | guten morgen pitti! How are you? | 07:04 |
| pitti | didrocks: quite fine, thanks! not drowned in snow just yet :) | 07:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: et toi, ça va bien? | 07:07 |
| didrocks | pitti: ça va! par contre de la neige partout, surtout sur les trottoirs à ce que je vois :) | 07:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: not quite enough snow in the city for skiing here, but just outside it's fine | 07:09 |
| didrocks | jibel: salut! | 08:17 |
| didrocks | jibel: FYI, I've just pushed a version which doesn't use pull-lp-source, but rather embeed the functionality in our own process to use our per job cache instead: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/revision/210 | 08:18 |
| jibel | salut didrocks | 08:18 |
| jibel | didrocks, did you update the version on the server? | 08:20 |
| didrocks | jibel: I didn't, I think we need to relaunch everything anyway after removing yet-another-lp-corrumption-cache | 08:20 |
| jibel | didrocks, which I just did | 08:20 |
| didrocks | jibel: there is still bzr lp-propose in the end (while doing the publishing) which can trigger this, but it's one after another, so the chance is really small | 08:21 |
| didrocks | sweet, let me bzr pull | 08:21 |
| didrocks | hum | 08:22 |
| didrocks | if I can connect to the machine | 08:22 |
| * didrocks logs out and in again from the vpn | 08:22 | |
| didrocks | jibel: relaunching indicators now :) | 08:23 |
| didrocks | oh, indicator was fine | 08:23 |
| didrocks | ok, so oif | 08:23 |
| didrocks | jibel: did you see the mount issue on the autopilot job? | 08:33 |
| jibel | didrocks, no, which job? | 08:34 |
| didrocks | jibel: cu2d-misc-head-1.1prepare-autopilot | 08:34 |
| jibel | interesting | 08:35 |
| didrocks | it's the only one for now, looking at the unity ones, they are fine | 08:35 |
| didrocks | as the browser is stalled, I don't see where it's blocked, I would say it's when using cowbuilder | 08:35 |
| didrocks | as a wild guess | 08:35 |
| jibel | it's when it unmount the cowbuilder chroot | 08:36 |
| didrocks | ah, the others unity jobs are not there yet | 08:37 |
| didrocks | unity-lens-files is cleaning the COW dir, let's see | 08:38 |
| didrocks | it sounds ok | 08:38 |
| didrocks | jibel: should we just kill the autopilot job and relaunch? | 08:42 |
| jibel | didrocks, 1 minute | 08:43 |
| didrocks | ok :) | 08:43 |
| jibel | didrocks, I stopped the job and now cleaning the pbuilder | 08:50 |
| didrocks | thanks jibel | 08:50 |
| jibel | didrocks, I think the server was just overloaded, it uses 20GB of swap and a disk is full | 08:55 |
| jibel | not your fault :) | 08:55 |
| didrocks | jibel: phew ;-) | 08:55 |
| didrocks | jibel: otherwise I checked, and we don't use the system creds anymore :) | 08:55 |
| jibel | didrocks, good, I cannot unmount the cowbuilder it's owned by the kernel | 08:56 |
| jibel | didrocks, but i doesn't hurt to have it mounted until cowbuilder reuses the same pid | 08:57 |
| didrocks | jibel: interested, well I guess it can live there until next reboot, I heard that we have a lot of loop devices :-) | 08:57 |
| didrocks | yeah | 08:57 |
| didrocks | hum, glib can't be installed on armhf | 08:58 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 09:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, lying! ;-) | 09:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, I'm sure it's a subcomponent screwing glib :p | 09:01 |
| didrocks | salut seb128! | 09:01 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks ;-) | 09:01 |
| Laney | ello | 09:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, had a good trip back? | 09:06 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 09:06 |
| Laney | yeah, two hour train, not too stressful ;-) | 09:06 |
| Laney | one of you has given me a cold though :P | 09:06 |
| Laney | seb128: didrocks: good travels? | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I've been fighting to stay away from this one | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I've somewhat of a start of running nose since friday but that didn't turn into a cold (yet) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | seems stable so far | 09:07 |
| didrocks | Laney: was fine, nothing special to report apart freezing in Lille for the 30 minutes there :) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | no cold here ;) | 09:07 |
| Laney | hehe | 09:07 |
| Laney | you got away in time ;-) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | it sounds like it! :-) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | Laney, travel was alright, left the hotel at 10am, was at London City 45min later, and at home 2.5 hours after that | 09:07 |
| Laney | efficient! | 09:08 |
| seb128 | yeah, go for 1 hour flights in europe! ;-) | 09:08 |
| Laney | mlankhorst: enjoy it | 09:14 |
| seb128 | Laney, "it"? I don't have backlog, I assume mlankhorst is back? | 09:14 |
| Laney | 24/02 11:24:42 <mlankhorst> Laney: got sig, thanks! | 09:15 |
| seb128 | k | 09:15 |
| mlankhorst | hah | 09:16 |
| mlankhorst | ofc | 09:17 |
| mlankhorst | seb128: gpg sig | 09:17 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, hey, did you manage to catch your plane on time saturday ? | 09:17 |
| mlankhorst | yeah barely | 09:18 |
| seb128 | great ;-) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | well not for the "barely", but that it worked out | 09:18 |
| mlankhorst | but work again now, lets see what I missed | 09:21 |
| mlankhorst | noticed I woke up at 8.30, which was the same time I woke up in london | 09:24 |
| seb128 | you are jetlagged? ;-) | 09:25 |
| mlankhorst | it would appear so! | 09:26 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, good morning! had a nice trip back/W.E? ;-) | 09:31 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128. yeah, it was a fairly uneventful trip back. how about you? | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i did 70km on the bike since arriving back | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | trying to burn off some of those burgers ;) | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | mlankhorst, did you get back ok? ;) | 09:32 |
| Laney | a real bike? | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | Laney, oh, no, i have an exercise bike in my office ;) | 09:33 |
| Laney | aha | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i couldn't do 70km around here without being run over | 09:33 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, my trip was ok, I was at city airport at 10:45, my plane was on time and I was back home 2.5 hours later (1 hour flights for the win) | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I did bike for an hour yesterday, but I was too tired on saturday for exercice ;-) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | will need some diet and regular exercice this week as well, to get over all the big meals from last week ;-) | 09:34 |
| mlankhorst | chrisccoulson: yeah just fine, reworking my desk now so I can put on the 2 laptops again | 09:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, me too | 09:34 |
| mlankhorst | how can we be joking about excercise when there was just so much (at) steak! | 09:35 |
| * ogra_ votes for treadmill powered laptops for the desktop team :) | 09:35 | |
| Laney | hah | 09:36 |
| mlankhorst | I want mine to be bike powered! | 09:36 |
| Laney | my "road bike" fund is nearly full enough :-) | 09:36 |
| ogra_ | well, the point is that our powermanagement would improve in no time ;) | 09:36 |
| mlankhorst | hm going through my administration, I got a receipt for €0,00 at a gas station | 09:41 |
| Laney | you europeans with your socialised petrol | 09:42 |
| mlankhorst | I did get a whole 0.00l though! | 10:02 |
| czajkowski | morning | 10:02 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 10:03 |
| mlankhorst | is czajkowski a common surname? my sister is sometimes performing pieces on her violin from czajkowski | 10:16 |
| czajkowski | mlankhorst: I think so, or at least I'm told by Polish people it is. It's not so common in Ireland where I'm from. | 10:17 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, hey ;-) | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | seb128: morning | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | found another one over the weekend, suspend resume no longer works :( | 10:18 |
| mlankhorst | ah, I just had to ask! every time I saw your nick I kept wondering :) | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | heh no worries | 10:19 |
| czajkowski | I'm Irish although I now live in England for the last 2.5 years. | 10:19 |
| === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ | ||
| mlankhorst | ah :) | 10:39 |
| === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark | ||
| pitti | bonjour seb128, ça va? est-ce que tu as arrivé à maison à nouveau? | 10:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, salut, ca va bien ! oui, samedi, le voyage était cours, 1h de vol de Londres ... moins de 5h de l'hotel à chez moi au total | 10:43 |
| pitti | seb128: cinq heures est rapide, en effet | 10:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, et toi, tu as passé un bon W.E ? | 10:46 |
| pitti | seb128: est-ce que tu manque boire de biére déjà ? :-) | 10:46 |
| pitti | seb128: oui, nous avons vu un match de football et joué de badminton | 10:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, non, j'ai bu assez de bière pour un mois ;-) | 10:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, les copains de mon équipe me manquent déjà par contre :-( | 10:52 |
| pitti | lol | 10:52 |
| didrocks | interesting, bzr diff <whatever> always exit with 1 | 11:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: well, 0 == no diff, 1 == there is a diff | 11:08 |
| pitti | just like "diff" itself | 11:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: never noticed that. I change my mock then for my test to detect if bzr isn't happy :) | 11:09 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you see any recent complain about webapps making firefox hang? that started today | 11:51 |
| seb128 | well for me | 11:51 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, not sure if I got unlucky or something, I blame webapps because gdb on firefox shows it's stucked in dbus calls to webapp stuff | 11:52 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, i've not. the only thing on my radar is an imagelib crash, which i suspect is my addon: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/5e2d4480-3843-4c25-9c2b-e227f2130223 | 11:52 |
| chrisccoulson | there's a lot of these | 11:52 |
| chrisccoulson | not sure why they only appeared after release :/ | 11:53 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, those hangs look like http://paste.ubuntu.com/5564485/ | 11:54 |
| chrisccoulson | gaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh | 11:55 |
| chrisccoulson | nested event loop! | 11:55 |
| chrisccoulson | i told them about not spinning the event loop | 11:55 |
| chrisccoulson | although that's probably not the cause of your hang ;) | 11:55 |
| seb128 | :-( | 11:55 |
| chrisccoulson | but it's bad in any case | 11:55 |
| chrisccoulson | from a security POV | 11:55 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, let me know if you have interested by debug infos on that at some point | 11:56 |
| seb128 | I've to turn it off, it keeps hanging on launchpad for me today | 11:56 |
| seb128 | if it's only me it's ok though | 11:56 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, i'm interested in the rest of the stack (to see if there's any untrusted script on it) | 11:56 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5564501/ | 12:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, will download debug symbols while I eat | 12:02 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 12:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmmm, i'm hungry | 12:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, unping about this hang issue | 12:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, my system/dbus was in a weird state, calls were hanging, not only in firefox | 12:42 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it's all fine after a reboot | 12:42 |
| * Sweetshark reads backlog. | 12:46 | |
| Sweetshark | ogra_: Sure. You get to treadmill for the LibreOffice builder laptop! | 12:46 |
| ogra_ | heh | 12:47 |
| ogra_ | Sweetshark, as long as it has an arm CPU ... | 12:47 |
| mlankhorst | ogra_: planning to run a marathon? | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | haha | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | suuuree .... | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | <- chainsmoker | 12:50 |
| Sweetshark | ogra_: ARM? Sure! How about some 60 quad-cores? | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | yeah, would likely a rather thick laptop though | 12:52 |
| lool | dpkg: erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/gtk2-engines-pixbuf_2.24.16-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack) : tentative de remplacement de « /usr/share/doc/gtk2-engines-pixbuf/README.gz », qui est différent d'autres instances du paquet gtk2-engines-pixbuf:amd64 | 13:02 |
| seb128 | lool, I saw some reports about that earlier today, pretty weird | 13:03 |
| Laney | laney@iota> sha512sum amd64/usr/share/doc/gtk2-engines-pixbuf/README.gz c-i386/usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-common/README.gz ~/temp | 13:05 |
| Laney | fb2e75b0595384dc5dea7d9e0bceef920bff0d02b6593d6988abbe5619cba066b631d9ba1988c2f0655d7a7ef351ceb67bc771901475a0c77164346a9dec015c amd64/usr/share/doc/gtk2-engines-pixbuf/README.gz | 13:05 |
| Laney | fb2e75b0595384dc5dea7d9e0bceef920bff0d02b6593d6988abbe5619cba066b631d9ba1988c2f0655d7a7ef351ceb67bc771901475a0c77164346a9dec015c c-i386/usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-common/README.gz | 13:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, well | 13:05 |
| seb128 | both are supposed to be a symlink to the file contained in -common | 13:06 |
| lool | seb128: amd64/usr/share/doc/gtk2-engines-pixbuf/ has a real file | 13:06 |
| Laney | yeah | 13:06 |
| lool | seb128: i386/usr/share/doc/gtk2-engines-pixbuf/ has a symlink | 13:06 |
| Laney | amd64 is real, i386 not | 13:06 |
| seb128 | I wonder why | 13:06 |
| seb128 | seems like a bug in pkgbinarymangler | 13:06 |
| seb128 | or cdbs | 13:06 |
| seb128 | which one is doing those symlinks again? | 13:07 |
| lool | both might be | 13:07 |
| seb128 | oh, maybe not | 13:07 |
| lool | I suspect it's a build system bug, one is the binary-indep build while the other isn't | 13:07 |
| lool | I guess when one builds the -doc package, there's a symlink to it | 13:07 |
| seb128 | I don't think the symlink magic works through archs | 13:07 |
| lool | and if one doesn't (amd64) there isn't | 13:07 |
| seb128 | right | 13:07 |
| seb128 | but that's nothing new there | 13:07 |
| seb128 | I wonder why it started missbehaving in this update | 13:08 |
| lool | pkgbinarymangler didn't change in ages | 13:08 |
| seb128 | lool, can you grep gtk2-engines-pixbuf /var/log/dpkg.log ? | 13:08 |
| seb128 | lool, did you have a gtk2 update from a ppa before the official one? | 13:08 |
| seb128 | I wonder if we got the same version upload done in a ppa and the archive and that confused things | 13:09 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, hi | 13:09 |
| lool | there was a change in the dependencies | 13:09 |
| lool | Depends: ${misc:Depends}, | 13:09 |
| lool | - @SHARED_PKG@ (>= ${source:Version}), | 13:09 |
| lool | + @SHARED_PKG@ (= ${binary:Version}), @COMMON_PKG@ | 13:09 |
| lool | seb128: I didn't get an update from a PPA AFAIK | 13:09 |
| lool | I don't see it in apt-cache policy at least | 13:10 |
| seb128 | lool, I had a version in the ppa but it was using a ~build so it's not it | 13:10 |
| lool | all changes are from today | 13:10 |
| mlankhorst | tkamppeter: hello | 13:10 |
| lool | previous changes from 10th of Jan | 13:10 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, I have booted the SD card we have set up on Friday on my Pandaboard ES and I get two sound outputs where one is HDMI and with the I get the sound correctly. Video is still choppy though. | 13:10 |
| mlankhorst | you get better video with unity 2d | 13:12 |
| mlankhorst | youtube won't work, however | 13:12 |
| lool | -DH_INSTALLDOCS_FILES := NEWS README ChangeLog | 13:13 |
| lool | +DH_INSTALLDOCS_FILES := NEWS README AUTHORS | 13:13 |
| lool | don't see how that relates though | 13:13 |
| lool | also: | 13:13 |
| lool | -dh_builddeb -i | 13:13 |
| lool | +dh_builddeb -i -- -Zxz | 13:13 |
| lool | seb128: ah found it | 13:14 |
| lool | -dh_compress -s -X.sgml -X.devhelp -XNEWS -Xchangelog.Debian -XREADME | 13:14 |
| lool | +dh_compress -s -X.sgml -X.devhelp | 13:14 |
| seb128 | lool, see #ubuntu-devel :p | 13:14 |
| seb128 | lool, sorry, moved there because we have people like cjwatson who are not on -desktop | 13:14 |
| lool | seb128: Discovered at the same time :-) | 13:14 |
| seb128 | lool, great minds... ;-) | 13:15 |
| lool | seb128: The whole doc handling in gtk+ in Debian is messy I'm afraid | 13:57 |
| seb128 | lool, yeah, I wouldn't spend time on sorting the details out or cleaning that, let's just figure what's the bug is and fix it | 14:00 |
| seb128 | lool, Laney is looking at it | 14:00 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, unity-2d is better but still choppy, only way is starting XBMC as desktop, but XBMC often hangs and I have to reboot. | 14:03 |
| mlankhorst | well sounds about right, totem works for me mostly | 14:04 |
| mlankhorst | anything on serial console though? | 14:04 |
| mlankhorst | and what is /proc/cmdline | 14:04 |
| === jhernandez is now known as jhernandez|lunch | ||
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, /proc/cmdline is 'ro elevator=noop vram=40M root=UUID=8355041e-c774-4260-b392-fb78f655d692 fixrtc quiet splash smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N' | 14:22 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, serial console I did not observe during boot. | 14:23 |
| mlankhorst | just add console=ttyO2,115200n8 to /boot/boot.script and rerun flash-kernel iirc | 14:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, do you plan to add the gdk-pixbuf autopkgtest to debian? it's one of the only diff we have with Debian on that sort (the other one a small change on the libtiff b-d until debian transitions to 5 as default) | 14:40 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, didn't I? | 14:41 |
| pitti | seb128: I did, it's in svn | 14:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, hum, ok, I wonder what pochu used to upload the new serie to experimental then | 14:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, he uploaded yesterday and those are not in | 14:42 |
| pitti | oh, it's in the unstable branch | 14:42 |
| seb128 | I see | 14:42 |
| pitti | I didn't look for/commit to an experimental branch | 14:42 |
| seb128 | that explains it | 14:42 |
| pitti | so when he branched, he didn't branch off unstable tip, but from 2.26.1-1 apparently | 14:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, [2012-10-23] Accepted 2.26.4-1 in experimental (low) (Simon McVittie) | 14:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, I guess the experimental branch is there for a while | 14:43 |
| seb128 | they just didn't keep both in sync | 14:43 |
| seb128 | well in fact there has been no upload to unstable since 2.26.1-1 | 14:43 |
| === jhernandez|lunch is now known as jhernandez | ||
| pitti | seb128: I merged the autopkgtest into the exp branch, too | 14:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks! | 14:55 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, I edited boot.script, reflashed the kernel and rebooted with the serial USB adapter connected. No output with "sudo screen /dev/ttyUSB0". | 14:57 |
| mlankhorst | needs screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 | 14:57 |
| === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley | ||
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, I tried this now and rebooted again, nothing appears. Seems that the serial of my Pandaboard is broken. The adapter works as I have used it in London during our installation. | 15:05 |
| mlankhorst | tkamppeter: no uboot either? | 15:05 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, nothing, not even u-boot. | 15:34 |
| mlankhorst | hm :/ | 15:35 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, generally, for multimedia it is best to start XBMC as the desktop environment, this is the only way to fluently play full-HD videos from a locally connected USB stick. The video add-ons of XBMC usually play their internet videos fluently, too, but some do not work at all, like YouTube (on a normal PC XBMC works perfectly, also started from the desktop). When XBMC is working correctly, only ~500 MB from the GB of RAM are us | 15:37 |
| tkamppeter | ed. | 15:37 |
| ogra_ | tkamppeter, which release is that ? | 15:55 |
| Laney | ah | 16:26 |
| Laney | dh_compress overwrites the symlinks with the real docs because we also install them | 16:26 |
| gema | seb128, ogra_: we have a question for you, guys, we are trying to figure out what kind of charts you'd need if you saw a regression in memory consumtion and are kind of stuck between the myriad of options, so if you guys could give us some hints that'd be good | 17:23 |
| gema | seb128, ogra_: this is what we have now: http://91.189.93.67/staging/memory/arch/amd64/ | 17:23 |
| gema | lool: ^ | 17:24 |
| gema | so say you spot a regression in today's result, what kind of chart you'd need to be able to figure out what's wrong? | 17:24 |
| gema | or what kind of chart would be useful? | 17:24 |
| lool | gema: Im surprized by the variance day to day | 17:25 |
| lool | by tens of MiB each day | 17:25 |
| gema | lool: we are working on that, we were running 3 times, now we've increased to 20, but it'll take time to build some data to see how good it is | 17:25 |
| lool | I see | 17:26 |
| gema | lool: but now we are trying to think of what else we need to gather in terms of information, so that we can build the right diagnostic/triaging charts | 17:26 |
| gema | lool: we have one bar there with 20 results I think , so it'll take a week or so to see if it is better | 17:27 |
| gema | or how much better it is, rather | 17:27 |
| gema | lool: a good thing is that pss total and meminfo give us more or less the same shape | 17:27 |
| gema | lool: so pss is a good estimation of consumption | 17:28 |
| lool | gema: First, I think this is generally a nice graph, albeit it doesn't allow diving into issues | 17:28 |
| lool | gema: So how do I know which app started using more memory? | 17:28 |
| lool | gema: Second, I think the context so far was on desktop memory usage, but this is wrong now | 17:29 |
| lool | gema: I think we want to focus on Ubuntu Touch memory usage | 17:29 |
| gema | lool: you can click on detailed view and choose which run you want to look at | 17:29 |
| lool | which will come with a different way to manage applications | 17:29 |
| lool | for instance applications will be stopped or killed entirely if in the background | 17:29 |
| lool | gema: detailed view > ah sorry | 17:29 |
| gema | lool: once we figure out what kind of charts we need, we can even run it on windows if you want | 17:30 |
| lool | gema: detailed view is nice, but it's hard to compare from one day to the other | 17:30 |
| gema | lool: it is the kind of information we need charted that's eluding us | 17:30 |
| gema | lool: exactly, so how do we make it easier? | 17:30 |
| lool | gema: could you graph by Command or something? | 17:30 |
| gema | lool: all of them? | 17:30 |
| lool | gema: the top level view is good to decide whether there's a system-wide regression or not | 17:30 |
| lool | but per-app view would allow understanding where it comes from, or even catching trends on one app | 17:30 |
| lool | gema: Can we generate them on demand? | 17:31 |
| gema | lool: we can do whatever we need, we just don't know how to present the information right now | 17:31 |
| josepht | lool: we can't generate them on demand now, we'd have to add aggregation support for each process | 17:32 |
| gema | lool: josepht is the person from our team actually coding the dashboard | 17:33 |
| gema | lool: one of them | 17:33 |
| gema | lool: I think we need guidance and your input during the development of these views, so that they are truly useful | 17:34 |
| gema | lool: also, if we make improvements on some areas but regress in others, we won't be able to flag problems , and I'd like to be able to flag problems there as well | 17:34 |
| * lool (OTP) | 17:43 | |
| Laney | think I've got a fixed gtk2 | 17:44 |
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| jbicha | Laney: thanks, yes I dropped the dh-compress -X diff because I didn't think it was still an issue and I thought the remaining diff there was unintentional because of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.24.10-0ubuntu3 | 18:08 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, may i PM you? | 18:09 |
| Laney | not sure why it's not present in experimental | 18:09 |
| Laney | jbicha: could you apply the diff in svn? | 18:09 |
| Laney | s/in/to/ | 18:10 |
| jbicha | see this is why I don't like touching GTK, I'm afraid I'll break something ;) | 18:10 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, of course | 18:11 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 18:24 | |
| lool | gema, josepht: Sorry | 18:45 |
| lool | gema, josepht: was OTP | 18:45 |
| lool | gema, josepht: so overall the general idea is to be able to detect regressions in memory usage and ensure that we're in the budget | 18:46 |
| lool | gema, josepht: regressions can either be system wide (over budget) or app specific | 18:46 |
| lool | gema, josepht: when we're faced with the overall memory usage going too high, we should raise a red flag and the app specific measures will help pin point where it's coming from, or which apps to attack first to try to save memory | 18:47 |
| lool | gema, josepht: but it would also be nice to raise a red flag is specific apps are leaking or start ballooning in memory usage | 18:47 |
| lool | gema, josepht: the main difference between when we discussed this and now is that the main target for applying this are phablet images, and memory usage patterns are quite different there; we also want to apply them to core apps | 18:48 |
| lool | in my ideal world, memory usage issues (leaks, too high memory usage) are flagged / pushed to developers which can checkout the graphs to get a basic overview, and then can attack debug / diagnose per app on their systems | 18:49 |
| gema | lool: so maybe we should have a list of apps we want to track | 18:55 |
| gema | lool: and draw graphs for those? | 18:56 |
| gema | lool: anyway, way over your EOD, we can continue this chat tomorrow morning if you want | 18:57 |
| gema | and brainstorm a bit about the best way of doing this | 18:57 |
| gema | maybe also grab seb128's ideas and see where we go from there | 18:57 |
| gema | I need to understand how developers are going to use these results if we are going to be giving them in the right format | 18:57 |
| gema | any other ideas from anyone in the channel are also welcome if you guys have specific use cases in mind! | 18:58 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, my LightDM wallpaper thing ... | 19:16 |
| rickspencer3 | when I first made the image the background from firefox, how was that world readable? | 19:17 |
| GunnarHj | Anybody there who can help with a (probably) easy package question? | 19:33 |
| seb128 | back from dinner | 19:39 |
| seb128 | gema, sorry, I was in a phone, didn't read the full backlog but my idea was to flag when usage increase from a noticeable amount ("noticeable" needs to be defined according to the variance in your measures) | 19:41 |
| seb128 | gema, then to have a "by process" table and flag things that increased | 19:41 |
| gema | seb128: can you think about what you mean by "by process" table? | 19:42 |
| gema | seb128: would this be one table per process over time, or one table with all the process and if so, what kind of chart, etc | 19:42 |
| seb128 | gema, it would be the equivalent of the smem list, where you record the values every day, and flag when some process jump compared to its previous value | 19:43 |
| seb128 | gema, where "jump" would be any increase out of the margin of errors or the fluctuation of the measurement | 19:44 |
| seb128 | jbicha, your gtk upload screwed the desktop team ppa as well which already had 2.24.16 btw... | 19:47 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I can try to blame it on firefox? not sure chrisccoulson will like me for it :p | 19:47 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Hi Seb, time for a tiny package question? | 19:48 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, don't ask to ask, just ask ;-) | 19:49 |
| GunnarHj | Ok. | 19:49 |
| GunnarHj | While im-config is a 3.0 (native) package, we have a couple of Ubuntu specific things. If we in debian/rules do something like | 19:49 |
| GunnarHj | if [ (Ubuntu) ]; then | 19:49 |
| GunnarHj | dh $@ --with quilt | 19:49 |
| GunnarHj | else | 19:49 |
| GunnarHj | dh $@ | 19:49 |
| GunnarHj | fi | 19:50 |
| GunnarHj | we could go back to use exactly the same package and let auto sync do its job. How do you safely check for Ubuntu or Debian in that context? | 19:50 |
| jbicha | seb128: ok I didn't realize other people were working on the update, I guess I should coordinate with you for GTK updates in the future? | 19:50 |
| seb128 | jbicha, that would be good, I should perhaps have pushed in the vcs | 19:52 |
| seb128 | jbicha, we were trying to land the unity-menu work (dropping the gtk patch) last week | 19:52 |
| seb128 | so I had 2.24.16 without the menu patch in the ppa, which got broken by your update | 19:52 |
| seb128 | but that's ok, I will fix it ;-) | 19:53 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, use dpkg-vendor | 19:53 |
| jbicha | the new GTK2 was needed for the gnome-themes-standard update (too bad GNOME stable updates aren't afraid to bump dependencies) | 19:54 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, see gnome-disk-utility | 19:54 |
| seb128 | if you need an example | 19:54 |
| seb128 | if dpkg-vendor --is ubuntu; then | 19:54 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Thanks, that's all guidance I need. | 19:55 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, yw! | 19:56 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks for fixing that gtk update bug! | 19:57 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Btw, does "dpkg-vendor --is ubuntu" include all the derivatives (Xubuntu, Kubuntu etc.)? | 20:00 |
| seb128 | "include"? | 20:01 |
| seb128 | it will return "ubuntu" for any *buntu | 20:01 |
| seb128 | those are just flavors or ubuntu | 20:02 |
| seb128 | there is a --derives-from flag if you need more granularity, though I'm not sure if e.g xubuntu override their infos to specify a derivative distro | 20:02 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: No, I do want all the *buntus to be included. Just not Debian. So that will be fine. | 20:07 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, great | 20:08 |
| coolroot | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5564842/ it's my laptops distro in a serious messed up :( | 20:50 |
| thumper | morning | 20:56 |
| rickspencer3 | jasoncwarner_, etc... check this out | 20:58 |
| rickspencer3 | http://ubuntuone.com/3K9SaShOuKmik6TtONjtHC | 20:58 |
| chrisccoulson | ugh, i got a scare when i saw bug 1008409 in my inbox, and thought our crazy friend was back again | 20:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1008409 in firefox (Ubuntu) "launchpad, boot sector keyboard hijacked in "alicia" account" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008409 | 20:58 |
| chrisccoulson | mdeslaur ;) | 20:58 |
| mdeslaur | chrisccoulson: hahaha :P | 20:59 |
| jasoncwarner_ | rickspencer3: that looks completely normal and not at all unexpected. Or, rather, looks like we might have a font issue ;) | 20:59 |
| rickspencer3 | I logged bug #1132985 | 20:59 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1132985 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Media Inserted Dialog is Lacking Fonts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1132985 | 20:59 |
| jasoncwarner_ | thanks, rickspencer3 | 20:59 |
| rickspencer3 | jasoncwarner_, pgraner got the same issue with a different dialog though | 20:59 |
| coolroot | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5564842/ it's my laptops distro in a serious messed up :( | 21:03 |
| Sweetshark | bdrung: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61246#c2 <- Argh, severe bug! paper in printer tray doesnt follow gtk theme colors! | 21:06 |
| ubot2 | Freedesktop bug 61246 in framework "CONFIGURATION: document background is white, even if desktop theme uses other color" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] | 21:06 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: yes. i saw this bug report, too. don't you have black paper just in case that you want to print white on black? ;) | 21:07 |
| Sweetshark | bdrung: congratulations on getting http://xkcd.com/1172/ on your first LibreOffice commit. Usually it takes three commits for that (two if working on file format import/export). | 21:12 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: :) breaking a workflow is not a big deal. breaking a workflow without giving another workflow as alternative is an issue. | 21:14 |
| jbicha | Sweetshark: my first LO bug hit that problem but it got fixed anyway https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35313 | 21:20 |
| ubot2 | Freedesktop bug 35313 in UI "[Task] Improve Hyperlink Bar" [Enhancement,Resolved: wontfix] | 21:20 |
| TheMuso | Hey folks. | 21:24 |
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| coolroot | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5564842/ need help pls? | 22:23 |
| sarnold | hunh. why does your update-grub try to parse /etc/grub.d/README as a command file? o_O | 22:25 |
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