[05:31] <Kilos> morning all
[05:32] <Squirm> morning
[05:32] <Squirm> :/
[05:32] <Squirm> to be woken up when you don't need to be woken up :/
[05:34] <Kilos> aw thats not nice'
[05:36] <Kilos> need to restart xchat
[06:13] <Kilos> morning superfly Superhuman 
[06:13] <Superhuman> Morning Mr Kilos!
[06:13] <Kilos> Mr?
[06:13] <Superhuman> aren't a Mr?
[06:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:14] <Kilos> all good there superfly ?
[06:19] <superfly> morning Kilos, Superhuman
[06:19] <superfly> long time no smell, Superhuman
[06:19] <Superhuman> awe superfly
[06:19] <Superhuman> too long
[06:19] <superfly> Kilos: alles is fine, I'm just dead
[06:20] <Superhuman> How's the cape?
[06:20] <Kilos> aw wassup
[06:20] <superfly> fine and sunny, looks like it'll be a warm day
[06:20] <Kilos> dead sucks. the worms eat you without salt
[06:20] <superfly> tired and sore
[06:20] <superfly> I did gardening this weekend
[06:20] <Kilos> at 8 am?
[06:21] <Kilos> whew
[06:21] <Kilos> gonna be a long day
[06:22] <Kilos> arent you in a flat anymore
[06:22] <Kilos> ?
[06:22] <Kilos> no gardens there
[06:24] <Kilos> hi josvis 
[06:30] <josvis> hi Kilos, seems quiet here, will join up this evening
[06:36] <superfly> Kilos: never been in a flat
[06:36] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:37] <Kilos> oh my superfly i missed the bus somewhere
[06:51] <Kilos> hi vinnie
[06:51] <superfly> Wow, the range of a level 7 portal in Ingress is MASSIVE
[06:51] <superfly> 384km
[06:52] <Kilos> hehe and you gotta try claim it for yourself
[06:52] <Kilos> ?
[06:52] <Kilos> you gonna be more tired
[06:52] <superfly> No, it'll be a mission to take down
[06:54] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:55] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[06:56] <superfly> hi jrgns
[06:57] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos, superfly and everyone else
[06:57] <superfly> hey maiatoday!
[07:00] <Kilos> maiatoday, all good there? we miss you you know
[07:03] <Vince-0> Hi
[07:03] <superfly> hi Vince-0
[07:03] <Vince-0> Its Monday! Be amped
[07:03] <Vince-0> I keep telling myself
[07:04] <Kilos> you guys need to go to work to rest after the weekends
[07:04] <Vince-0> ha!
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[07:46] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy you guys anti pc weekends hey
[07:46] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[07:48] <henkj> hi Kilos
[07:49] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, if i'm firing up the laptop on a weekend it generally means something at work broke :)
[07:49] <superfly> Kilos: ThatGraemeGuy also has 2 kiddos, one expecially new -- he's busy with reality over weekends :-)
[07:49] <Kilos> hehe
[07:49] <superfly> *especially
[07:49] <Kilos> ah lekker
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[07:50] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, did you buddy go for that job?
[07:50] <Kilos> he is the server man right?
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> my who now what now? :-~
[07:51] <Kilos> i forget his nickname
[07:51] <Kilos> joined here same day as you
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh CuttingEdge
[07:51] <Kilos> yeah him
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't know anything about it
[07:51] <Kilos> there was need of a server man in bloem
[07:52] <Kilos> it was in the mailing list
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> they have electricity there? :-o
[07:52] <Kilos> yeah
[07:52] <Kilos> bloem varsity
[07:52] <Kilos> got mean pc stuff
[07:53] <Kilos> im not sure if the varsity of technology and the main varsity are same thing
[07:54] <Kilos> more inetpro 
[07:55] <Squirm> superfly: what's this 'reality' you talk about?
[07:55] <superfly> Squirm: it's what happens when you meet a girl
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[07:56] <Squirm> superfly: so you haven't met a girl?
[07:56] <Kilos> rofl
[07:57] <Kilos> and you chase her till she catches you
[07:58] <Squirm> I need to get out of Mooi River if I'm going to find this 'reality' then
[09:09] <acherv> hi @all
[10:51] <zeref> hmmmm debian
[11:03] <zeref> decided to move all my pc's to debian.
[11:09] <superfly> zeref: I'm still kinda debating that... though I haven't really had any big issues with Kubuntu
[11:13] <zeref> server is still ubuntu.
[11:13] <zeref> dont think i'll change that.
[11:14] <zeref> superfly: kde on debian?
[11:14] <superfly> zeref: yup
[11:15] <zeref> cool.
[11:15] <zeref> using debian testing
[11:16] <zeref> had to do a bit of configuring. but once up and running
[11:16] <zeref> awesome.
[11:17] <zeref> only issue i have is that vlc sound is weird. vlc on 100% is very low and 200% is like the usual 100%
[12:24] <Yusuf> Hi All
[12:27] <Squirm> hi
[12:29] <Yusuf> Anyone here experiencing some weird behaviour on their 12.04 servers from the LAN?
[12:33] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:03] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[13:04] <charl_> Yusuf: that is extremely vague, i think you need to be more specific :)
[13:17] <magespawn> hey charl_
[13:46] <Yusuf> Hi Charl, sorry about being so vague. It seems to be related to my firewall, weird thing is it was working fine till a few days ago and none of the configs are changed
[13:46] <Yusuf> Looks like its just my luck or lack thereof
[13:46] <zeref> Yusuf: what kind of problems?
[13:46] <zeref> \list
[13:46] <zeref> o0o0
[13:47] <Yusuf> Well I have two site running Zentyal
[13:47] <Yusuf> Up until three days ago client machines could access the servers easily
[13:47] <Yusuf> Then all of a sudden there is intermittent access
[13:48] <zeref> what does dmesg and syslog say :D
[13:48] <Yusuf> The firewall policy is set to accept all fron the LAN connected interface
[13:49] <Yusuf> I did not look at the dmesg output, and syslog did not yield anything useful
[13:50] <Yusuf> Maybe I need to do some more verbose logging
[13:50] <tonberry352_> are the packets reaching the machine or not when connectivity fails?
[13:50] <zeref> try connect and look and dmesg at the same time
[13:50] <tonberry352_> you would probably need to have tcpdump running while it fails to make sure
[13:52] <Yusuf> I think they are, but I did not run TCPdump, I should have
[13:53] <Yusuf> When the firewall is off I get a response
[13:54] <Yusuf> Thanks zeref and tonberry352
[13:55] <Yusuf> I am going back to the site now, will try your suggestions
[13:55] <Yusuf> Appreciate the direction :)
[15:08] <kbmonkey> hello
[15:12] <magespawn> hey kbmonkey
[15:12] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey magespawn and others
[15:13] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[15:15]  * ThatGraemeGuy yawns
[15:19] <kbmonkey> hooray work is done
[15:39] <magespawn> later all, gotta go home
[15:40] <kbmonkey> cheers magespawn 
[16:13] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[16:13] <Vince-0> Hi oom
[16:14] <Kilos> how you know im a oom?
[16:14] <Vince-0> I see others say oom
[16:14] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> so you believe them?
[16:15] <Vince-0> it's an Afrikaans thing to use uncle as a sign of respect
[16:16] <Kilos> yeah but only if the guy is 10 or more years older than you
[16:16] <Vince-0> im 27
[16:17] <Kilos> ah we just over 10 years then
[16:17] <Vince-0> aw
[16:17] <Kilos> my son is 36
[16:17] <Kilos> hehe
[16:17] <Kilos> only 34 years out methinks
[16:18] <Vince-0> so when the dinosaurs roamed?
[16:18] <Kilos> oh no its 2013
[16:18] <Kilos> 35
[16:18] <Kilos> yeah around there
[16:18] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <Vince-0> I kid
[16:19] <Kilos> i know
[16:19] <Vince-0> need to go fix the garage door - bbl
[16:19] <Kilos> caveman times is closer
[16:25] <charl_> quite happy that i can now finally use ipv6 from work natively all the way to my server in a different country
[16:26] <charl_> that took some years but we are getting there
[16:33] <charl_> nice, i can even do a speed test for ipv6 http://i.imgur.com/Um4CDCk.png
[16:33] <Kilos> i think i might have found why 12.04 keeps crashing
[16:33] <charl_> slightly slower over ipv6 than ipv4 though for some reason
[16:33] <Kilos> dont make me jealous charl_ 
[16:33] <charl_> ?
[16:33] <charl_> ipv6 will come around eventually :)
[16:33] <Kilos> i found 3 quantal packages in archives
[16:33] <charl_> i don't have ipv6 natively on my home cable connection either
[16:34] <Kilos> all xserver.xorg
[16:35] <Kilos> but ive put 10.10 on here and if that crashed too then its something in the hardware 
[16:36] <charl_> i'm off, have a good evening all!
[17:02] <kbmonkey> hello kilos
[17:06] <nuvolari> aloha
[17:06] <nuvolari> hi kbmonkey 
[17:06] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos 
[17:06] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: watched promethius
[17:06] <nuvolari> however you spell it
[17:07] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[17:07] <nuvolari> Zero Dark Thirty was good
[17:07] <Kilos> eating
[17:07] <nuvolari> sies! oom kan nie met 'n mond vol kos chat nie :P
[17:17] <Kilos> lol nee man ek het net begin inskep toe pc bloep
[17:18] <nuvolari> oh :P askuus oom Kilos 
[17:18] <Kilos> np boet
[17:18] <Kilos> gm=np ne?
[17:19] <nuvolari> askuus oom?
[17:19] <Kilos> geen moeite
[17:19] <Kilos> no prob
[17:19] <nuvolari> geen probleem
[17:20] <Kilos> o ja
[17:20] <Kilos> skuus
[17:20] <nuvolari> oom se afrikaans verroes
[17:20] <Kilos> slegte dag vandag
[17:20] <nuvolari> :-/
[17:20] <Kilos> hare kussing klap ietwat
[17:20] <nuvolari> hoekom oom Kilos ?
[17:21] <Squirm> evening
[17:21] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[17:21] <nuvolari> hello's Squirm 
[17:21] <nuvolari> how are you?
[17:21] <Squirm> anyone done any work with their GPIO on their rPi's?
[17:21] <Squirm> I'm very well nuvolari 
[17:21] <Squirm> still waiting for that visit :P
[17:22] <nuvolari> Squirm: you hava a pi?
[17:22]  * nuvolari turns yellow
[17:22] <Squirm> had one for months. it's just sat around, haven't used it
[17:22]  * Squirm wonders if it still works
[17:24] <Kilos> nuvolari, yellow?
[17:24] <Kilos> green=envy
[17:24] <nuvolari> Kilos: geel van jaloesie
[17:24] <nuvolari> oh
[17:24] <Squirm> :P
[17:25] <Kilos> moet groen wees is dit nie
[17:25] <nuvolari> in afrikaans is dit geel
[17:25] <Kilos> hehe
[17:25] <Squirm> nuvolari: it was R360 incl. delivery
[17:25] <Kilos> my nooit geweet nie
[17:25] <nuvolari> Squirm: rs-online?
[17:26] <Squirm> nuvolari: yep
[17:26] <nuvolari> Squirm: where did they deliver to?
[17:26] <nuvolari> to door?
[17:26] <Kilos> nuvolari, dis groen man
[17:26] <Kilos> geel is bangheid
[17:26] <Squirm> nuvolari: indeed
[17:27] <nuvolari> Squirm: is that the A or B model?
[17:27] <Squirm> B
[17:27] <Squirm> idk if they've released A yet
[17:27] <Squirm> and B > A
[17:27] <nuvolari> oh, and do I need any extras? 
[17:27] <Squirm> hmm
[17:27] <nuvolari> I keep on forgetting to ask the people that
[17:28] <Squirm> the Pi has an HDMI out and a normal Video out
[17:28] <Squirm> so depends on what display you want to use
[17:28] <Squirm> and SD card
[17:28] <Squirm> and some form of Mini Usb B, so Blackberry Charger, etc
[17:30] <Tonberry> micro
[17:30] <theblazehen> hi all.
[17:30] <Tonberry> go for samsung chargers
[17:30] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[17:31] <Tonberry> my blackberry charger does not give entirely enough voltage
[17:31] <theblazehen> Busy trying tmux and irssi :) I like it
[17:31] <Tonberry> if I push the pi
[17:31] <theblazehen> Tonberry: Have you tried a iPad charger?
[17:32] <Squirm> lol
[17:32] <Squirm> theblazehen: funny
[17:32] <kbmonkey> welcome to the world of irssi theblazehen :)
[17:32] <Tonberry> no
[17:32] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Thanks!
[17:33] <theblazehen> Squirm: what was funny?
[17:33] <Squirm> how would you connect the iPad charger to the rPi
[17:33] <Squirm> ?
[17:33] <kbmonkey> python <3
[17:33] <theblazehen> Squirm: with usb
[17:34] <Squirm> doesn't the ipad charge with a different connection?
[17:34] <theblazehen> Squirm: It plugs into the iPad with a different connection but the cable that plugs into the charger is USB
[17:35] <Squirm> ah
[17:35] <Squirm> that makes more sense
[17:35] <theblazehen> yea...
[17:35] <Kilos> hey clever peeps is unplugging an external same as reboot
[17:35] <theblazehen> external what? hard drive?
[17:35] <Kilos> just wrote mbr with testdisk and it said reboot to take effect
[17:36] <Kilos> yeah
[17:36] <kbmonkey> theblazehen, you might like to check out irssi scripts called adv_windowlist.pl, burl.pl and nickcolor.pl
[17:36] <Kilos> plugged into usb
[17:36] <theblazehen> Nope it is allready in effect. You just need to reboot if you want to boot from it.
[17:36] <theblazehen> Or you could use a VM...
[17:36] <magespawn> evening all
[17:36] <theblazehen> hi magespawn 
[17:36] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[17:37] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: thanks will check later
[17:37] <kbmonkey> wb mage	
[17:37] <kbmonkey> I type faster than my ssh connection allows :p
[17:37] <Kilos> got some pics for you to look at of the drive with busted sata connection
[17:37] <Kilos> but stupid thing shows only as 160G
[17:38] <theblazehen> Kilos: even in cfdisk? 
[17:38] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that theblazehen 
[17:39] <theblazehen> sudo cfdisk /dev/sd*
[17:39] <Kilos> ah ty
[17:39] <theblazehen> eg /dev/sdb
[17:39] <theblazehen> np
[17:40] <magespawn> on the topic of snakes i just a herald out side the back door
[17:41] <magespawn> or maybe its hereld
[17:41] <Kilos> eek -- fatal error cannot read disk drive
[17:41] <magespawn> oops Kilos 
[17:41] <kbmonkey> you just a word, magespawn ? ;)
[17:41] <magespawn> huh?
[17:42] <theblazehen> try using ddrescue - do sudo apt-get install ddrescue and then read the man page. Start with eg. a 4MB block size
[17:42] <Kilos> will do ty
[17:42] <kbmonkey> that sounds not too good, Kilos 
[17:42] <theblazehen> np, You did choose the correct device right?
[17:43] <magespawn> kbmonkey: whatndid you mean?
[17:43] <kbmonkey> magespawn, I meant you left a word out in your sentence. It's a play on a similar meme.
[17:44] <Kilos> yeah lots of drives from ian that he tried to fix with his pc that has a virus in bios have strange stuff written to mbr that one sukkels to get rid of
[17:44] <magespawn> hah just read what i typed
[17:44] <magespawn> caught is the missing word
[17:44] <Kilos> yeah theblazehen only my drive and that one and testdisk saw it as sdb 
[17:45] <theblazehen> ok... kinda sucks. And dd won't work?
[17:45] <Kilos> and gparted took ages to see it but says its 160g unallocated
[17:45] <Kilos> and cant write a partition table to it
[17:45] <theblazehen> try and ddrescue it to file and then attempt recovery from file
[17:46] <theblazehen> yea. The drive seems fucked. Just try and save the data
[17:46] <Kilos> i just wanna get the thing formatted and working
[17:46] <Kilos> data np
[17:46] <kbmonkey> ddrescue only works if the device is recognized
[17:47] <Kilos> gparted and testdisk see it as sdb but show not filesystem
[17:47] <Kilos> no
[17:47] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: ok. Thought it was recognising but not wanting to read. Thanks for clarification
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you tried the disk manager app yet? it queries drive's SMART capabilities, self diagnostics that tell you if the drive is healthy
[17:48] <Kilos> disk utility?
[17:48] <kbmonkey> it is in the system menu if I recall
[17:48] <Kilos> yip got it
[17:48] <Kilos> ive got 10.10 here
[17:49] <kbmonkey> click on the drive in the list
[17:50] <Kilos> says smart status not supported
[17:50] <kbmonkey> okay, it must be too old for that. 
[17:50] <Kilos> no man 500g sta drives arent so old
[17:50] <Kilos> will try format and partition function
[17:51] <Kilos> hmm
[17:51] <Kilos> Error creating partition table: helper exited with exit code 1: In part_create_partition_table: device_file=/dev/sdb, scheme=0
[17:51] <Kilos> ped_device_get() failed
[17:52] <Kilos> yet doesnt show its scrap
[17:52] <kbmonkey> now it's a paper weight :p
[17:52] <Kilos> hehe
[17:53] <kbmonkey> oh my ears, my poor ears. neighbors singing karaoke
[17:53] <Kilos> ill play with seatools and ubcd for a bit
[17:53] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Poor you
[17:54] <Kilos> maybe tomorrow
[17:54] <Kilos> night all. have a good evening and sleep tight
[17:54] <Kilos> toods theblazehen 
[17:54] <kbmonkey> nite Kilos 
[17:54] <theblazehen> night Kilos 
[17:57] <kbmonkey> I'm trying to add a hotkey mechanism to custom pygame UI buttons.
[17:58] <kbmonkey> python is so much fun
[18:07] <Vince-0> Hi
[18:09] <kbmonkey> sup Vince-0 
[18:09] <Vince-0> battlefield
[18:09] <theblazehen> anyone here use bitcoin?
[18:10] <Cantide> did you read the article on Gizmag about bitcoin?
[18:10] <theblazehen> nope?
[18:10] <Cantide> tbh i didn't know much about it before i read that
[18:10] <Cantide> oh, just asking >_>
[18:10]  * Cantide scurries off
[18:10] <theblazehen> haha, no problem.
[18:11] <theblazehen> Wrote a php script to automatically trade between btc and usd and was hoping for someone to review it.
[18:12] <kbmonkey> I tried bitcoin but didnt have the cpu power to generate fast enough
[18:12] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: GPU?
[18:12] <kbmonkey> perhaps I was impatient ;p
[18:12] <theblazehen> also have a look at sites like coinad.com
[18:12] <theblazehen> yea... Also ATI is a lot better than Nvida
[18:12] <kbmonkey> are there sites that take them as currency?
[18:13] <theblazehen> have a look at the silk road.
[18:13] <kbmonkey> no I did not have a GPU at the time
[18:13] <theblazehen> There are also other sites but I don't remember them now
[18:13] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Yea, CPU mining sucks
[18:14] <kbmonkey> indeed. I only mine the tunnels in Moria now 
[18:14] <Cantide> this is the article i was referring to: http://www.gizmag.com/bitcoin-creation-value-overview/26325/
[18:14] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: If you still want to try look at something like litecoin
[18:14] <theblazehen> Cantide: Thanks
[18:15] <Cantide> it's more for people who don't know about bitcoin
[18:15] <theblazehen> I assumed so
[18:15] <Cantide> than for those looking for more technical / detailed information
[18:15] <Cantide> anyhow, AFK time :p
[18:15] <Cantide> bbl
[18:15] <theblazehen> Myself I still don't really understand some of the technical stuff.
[18:15] <theblazehen> bye!
[18:15] <kbmonkey> I was also running folding@home so figured I'd dedicate the cpu to one task
[18:16] <kbmonkey> but that also stopped.
[18:16] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Why did you stop folding?
[18:17] <kbmonkey> I travelled a bit and did not have a desktop
[18:17] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: ok
[18:18] <kbmonkey> litecoin seems interesting
[18:18] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: I tried mining it on my phone and a VPS but I didn't make much. Only like 10 or so
[18:19] <theblazehen> If you try it make sure you are using a litecoin pool. And a litecoin wallet.
[18:21] <theblazehen> The best pools (imho) are proportional
[18:24] <theblazehen> fscking mosquitos
[18:27] <magespawn> hey superfly  fyi http://www.meegoexperts.com/2013/02/sailfish-os-jolla-sdk/ 
[18:28] <theblazehen> still in dev right?
[18:34] <superfly> ooooo
[18:37] <superfly> Oh, our CEO's macbook air drowned, and while it is being repaired he is using Ubuntu... and he's fallen in love with Ubuntu.
[18:38] <kbmonkey> oh that is good :)
[18:40] <kbmonkey> superfly, I found a very neat trick for python to simulate ternary expressions
[18:41] <superfly> kbmonkey: foo if bar else baf ?
[18:41] <kbmonkey> foo = (false_result, true_result)[somevalue == 42]
[18:41] <kbmonkey> pretty much
[18:41] <kbmonkey> since True is 1, False is 0, you can use it as a tuple index
[18:42] <superfly> kbmonkey: the ternary operator in python is "a if b else c"
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I got to try this...
[18:42] <superfly> aka: true_result if expression else false_result
[18:43] <kbmonkey> so it is, thanks for that :)
[18:44] <superfly> before they introduced that, you used to have to do something like "expression and true_result or false_result"
[18:44] <superfly> kbmonkey: next time, just ask ;-)
[18:44] <kbmonkey> I did not know they introduced that. I remember needing that a and b or c thing
[18:44] <superfly> ah
[18:46] <kbmonkey> I saw this most horrendous code that tested if a point is within a recangle (pygame). meanwhile one can just use rect.collidepoint(position)
[18:46] <kbmonkey> it looked like a stairway to heaven with all the else: blocks
[19:01] <superfly> heh
[19:12] <kbmonkey> enjoy what's left of Monday all, I'm out.
[19:32]  * ThatGraemeGuy waves
[19:45] <superfly> ohi  ThatGraemeGuy
[19:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello :)
[19:45] <superfly> deploy night?
[19:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, i'm just slapping vmware around a bit :)
[19:47] <superfly> oh right
[19:51] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'm definitely coming to the Jam
[19:51] <tumbleweed> \o/
[19:51] <superfly> might have to leave at about 1, but I'll be there from 10
[19:52] <superfly> (or a little earlier if you'd like)
[19:52] <tumbleweed> I'd better organise keys to the venue...
[20:16] <magespawn> good night all
[20:16] <Vince-0> peace out!