[04:32] <sirriffsalot> Is it a bad idea to go for some of the ppa's from kxstudio in any way? Could it damage my system somehow?
[04:32] <sirriffsalot> The broken/unstable packages asied
[04:33] <sirriffsalot> aside*
[04:50] <len-dt> I have not had any problems with it. you are limited to LTS releases though.
[05:07] <sirriffsalot> len-dt: tend to stick to them anyway, thanks :)
[07:27] <Hernou> Hi
[07:28] <Hernou> ho to add a command linge to the application list ?
[07:29] <Hernou> the application list with that we can launch file
[07:29] <Hernou> ...
[15:25] <swol> I installed the "ubuntustudio-desktop" from Mint14_Xfce. All the 'extra' software that ubuntustudio seems to be listed in the main menu under 'other' but the links to the software are not working. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling and seem to be going round in circles. Thanks for any help
[15:26] <swol> seems the bulk of my post disappeared
[15:28] <swol> I added ubuntustudio-desktop to Mint 14 Xfce but dont have access to the audio software
[15:28] <swol> Maybe I should just use the ubuntustudio install disk
[15:31] <shai_halud> haha, yeah swol, that's just a de
[15:31] <swol> 378 mb of de....
[15:32] <shai_halud> damn
[15:32] <shai_halud> ubuntu studio os is bigger thuogh
[15:32] <swol> I have it installed, on my desktop Ubuntustudio, so I have the disk
[15:33] <shai_halud> have you used it much?
[15:33] <swol> I am starting to, but have recorded nothing. I am using it as my os...for a few months
[15:34] <shai_halud> you want it mainly for music creation?
[15:34] <swol> eventually yes
[15:34] <shai_halud> install lmms too then
[15:34] <shai_halud> doesn't come with , for some reason
[15:35] <swol> I really want to record live instruments
[15:35] <shai_halud> it's the easie
[15:35] <shai_halud> woops
[15:35] <swol> Bass Guitar and harmonica and vocals
[15:36] <shai_halud> audacity and ardour  can serve most of those needs. have you figured out how to use jack yet?
[15:36] <swol> with some hydrogen drums I guess
[15:36] <shai_halud> yeah
[15:36] <shai_halud> cool
[15:36] <swol> you mean the adapter ?
[15:36] <shai_halud> yes
[15:36] <swol> No ..I got to buy a 1/4" to mini adapter
[15:37] <shai_halud> oh, wait, no. there's a program called jack
[15:38] <shai_halud> i mean, yeah, you'll need the adapter too, i meant, it's like a switchboard for your programs
[15:38] <swol> No..I will have to plug in before I can use any of the software,hehe, but I am aware of Jack
[15:39] <shai_halud> k
[15:39] <shai_halud> once you figure it out, it's just a matter of learning the programs. until jack is configured though, most won't make a sound
[15:40] <swol> I really just want to get off the ground with a simpl recording of me singing with my guitar
[15:40] <swol> Will Ardour or Audacity handle that ?
[15:40] <shai_halud> yes
[15:40] <swol> without Jack
[15:41] <shai_halud> audacity doesn't need jack but ardour does
[15:41] <swol> So I set Jack up first then ?
[15:41] <shai_halud> yes
[15:41] <swol> switch from alsa to pulse ?
[15:41] <shai_halud> in some applications
[15:42] <swol> I read about that
[15:42] <shai_halud>  ycertain ones use one or the other, some use either
[15:42] <swol> Will audacity record a simple mis=crophone setup ?
[15:43] <shai_halud> yes
[15:43] <shai_halud> without need of anything else
[15:43] <swol> Then a bass guitar plkugged directly ?
[15:43] <shai_halud> yeah
[15:43] <shai_halud> anything
[15:43] <swol> as a second track
[15:44] <shai_halud> for 2nd tracks it gets a little trickier, as you don't want bleedover
[15:44] <shai_halud> so it's best to use headphones for monito
[15:44] <shai_halud> r
[15:44] <swol> bass plugged directly ...no amp
[15:45] <shai_halud> i doubt you should use boosted output in your speaker's input
[15:45] <shai_halud> er you computer
[15:46] <swol> I mean plug from the bass guitar to the computer input....unamplified
[15:46] <shai_halud> yes
[15:46] <swol> as a second track
[15:46] <shai_halud> don't amplify the signal going into the computer's mic jack
[15:46] <swol> right
[15:46] <shai_halud> yes, you can do that
[15:46] <swol> cool
[15:46] <shai_halud> make sure to disable the external mic in audacity
[15:47] <shai_halud> er, i mean, is this a laptop?
[15:47] <swol> Not yet but thats where I was going to end up after practice on the deskyop
[15:47] <swol> top
[15:48] <shai_halud> k. , because laptops generally have 2 mic ports. the integrated and the jack itself. you'll want to make sure the integrated is off to avoid air hiss
[15:48] <swol> nly one mic port on nthis laptop
[15:49] <shai_halud> and hum from the cpu fan, etc
[15:49] <swol> ahhh yes
[15:49] <shai_halud> no integrated mic?
[15:49] <shai_halud> up by the camera?
[15:49] <swol> no camera...this here is vintage
[15:49] <shai_halud> haha
[15:50] <swol> 2.6 ghz P4 with 2 Gb ram
[15:50] <shai_halud> are you american, by chance?
[15:50] <swol> yes...displaced Canadian
[15:50] <shai_halud> haha. i know some of each
[15:50] <swol> living in America
[15:50] <shai_halud> and an egyptian in Ca
[15:51] <swol> Egypt to Canada...
[15:51] <shai_halud> yep
[15:51] <swol> more snow, less sand
[15:51] <shai_halud> indubitably so
[15:52] <swol> where are you then...Egypt ?
[15:54] <swol> So anyway It sounds like audacity will handle simple multi track recording from an external microphone
[15:55] <swol> Thanks for the tips shai_halud, to work now
[15:55] <shai_halud> hey
[15:55] <shai_halud> here is a track i made yesterday with lmms, btw http://filebin.net/pkz3d0blco
[15:56] <shai_halud> yw
[15:56] <swol> zipfile huh?
[15:57] <shai_halud> you can dl it other ways
[15:57] <swol> its downloading as zip...no problem
[15:58] <swol> lmms is all electronic manufactured sounds correct ?
[15:58] <shai_halud> it's just a 24 second piece of a song. i have a lot of work to do on it
[15:58] <shai_halud> yes
[15:58] <shai_halud>  this will be a good sample for you
[15:58] <shai_halud> it's quite nice
[15:58] <swol> no actual instuments
[15:58] <shai_halud> nope
[15:58] <shai_halud> sounds like them though
[15:58] <shai_halud> it's a wonderful program
[15:59] <swol> I will listten with a discerning ear
[15:59] <shai_halud> using electronic methods of creation is a good way to expand what you do on guitar
[15:59] <shai_halud> i have played for 20 years now
[16:00] <swol> played what for 20 years ?
[16:00] <shai_halud> guitar
[16:00] <swol> oh ok
[16:00] <swol> me too...except 35 years
[16:00] <shai_halud> dayum
[16:00] <shai_halud> that's my age
[16:00] <shai_halud> (i lie. 36)
[16:00] <swol> That makwes me at least 36 years old
[16:00] <shai_halud> hehe
[16:01] <swol> 50 plus...ahem
[16:01] <shai_halud> so you know about my favorites then
[16:01] <swol> you mean eric and jimmy and jeff ?
[16:01] <shai_halud> King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Rush, etc
[16:01] <swol> ok...
[16:01] <shai_halud> those guys are great too
[16:02] <swol> I like the tull guy,,,squire ?
[16:02] <shai_halud> Martin Barre, i think
[16:02] <swol> barre yah
[16:03] <shai_halud> I'm not used to seeing anyone over 30 on irc. this is a treat
[16:04] <shai_halud> so you play bass, or both?
[16:04] <swol> No kidding.....Have to go to the Lawn Bowling Channek I guess
[16:04] <shai_halud> haha
[16:04] <swol> bass guitar some banjo and harmonica
[16:04]  * shai_halud wonders if guys on wall street/ doctors, and lawyers use irc
[16:05] <swol> They have "special" secret channels...hehe
[16:05] <shai_halud> right, and politicians
[16:05] <shai_halud> so, , about your discerning ear
[16:06] <swol> politicians no.....too self obsessed to learn absolutely anything new
[16:06] <shai_halud> try the file yet?
[16:06] <swol> lemme check
[16:07] <shai_halud> and i REALLY have never met anyone your age who uses linux
[16:07] <shai_halud> impressive
[16:09] <shai_halud> this is just a meagre sampling of what lmms can do. I only started using it yesterday
[16:09] <swol> Theres lots of older users in the Mint and PCLinux crowd
[16:09] <swol> the easy to use
[16:10] <shai_halud> i have mint now and unsed to have pclinux os
[16:10] <shai_halud> it's not too bad once you go over a few tricky things
[16:10] <shai_halud> there are some great online guides
[16:10] <shai_halud> i got this much done in a day, so, go figure
[16:10] <shai_halud> i'm no genius
[16:11] <swol> I have used mint since 07
[16:11] <shai_halud> it's a great os. what DE do you use?
[16:11] <swol> I switched to Xfce when the gnome 3 hit the stands
[16:11] <zequence> swol: there are a bunch of meta packages for Ubuntu Studio. You don't need the desktop. Try ubuntustudio-audio
[16:11] <zequence> swol: Make sure to add yourself to audio group, in order to get realtime privilege
[16:11] <shai_halud> i have the whole thing installed already
[16:12] <swol> ok thanks zequence
[16:12] <zequence> swol: And if you want low latency, install linux-lowlatency (or, does Mint roll their own kernels?)
[16:12] <shai_halud> oh damn. i thought that was still shol talking
[16:12] <swol> they may but I am not familiar with low latency from mint
[16:12] <zequence> swol: To see all the meta packages, in a terminal, do: apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[16:13] <shai_halud> i don't think mints rolls kernels
[16:13] <swol> me neither
[16:13] <shai_halud> good thing about ubuntu
[16:13] <zequence> if Mint has linux-lowlatency, then they don't
[16:13] <shai_halud> uh, no they don't
[16:13] <swol> But I think the liqorish kernel or something
[16:14] <swol> I will just go and install the full ubuntu studio
[16:15] <shai_halud> might be better/easier that way
[16:15] <swol> I also boot bto Mint 13 Matre here
[16:15] <swol> Mate
[16:15] <shai_halud> i use mate now too
[16:15] <swol> Mate is gnome 2 ish
[16:15] <shai_halud> went from cinnamon to kde to mate
[16:16] <shai_halud> i still have them all, of course, and switch as the mood strikes me
[16:16] <swol> ok...I cant do Kde and cinnamon uses extra cpu that I dont want to give away
[16:17] <shai_halud> new kde with plasma workspace is a beast for resource hogging, but it's also beautiful
[16:17] <swol> I am using the mint 14 lxde on a usb flash
[16:17] <swol> its a polish community edition
[16:17] <shai_halud> polish? as in ploand?
[16:17] <shai_halud> er you know
[16:17] <swol> yes
[16:17] <shai_halud> hm
[16:18] <swol> but option is English
[16:18] <shai_halud> how many pollacks does  it take.... (sorry, i couldn't resist)
[16:18] <swol> I live in california, I cant make those jokes
[16:18] <shai_halud> HA
[16:18] <shai_halud> LA?
[16:18] <swol> people would talk
[16:19] <swol> yes
[16:19] <shai_halud> What part?
[16:19] <shai_halud>  I used to live In Park La Brea
[16:19] <swol> north,,,near Pasadena
[16:19] <swol> near Lacma?
[16:19] <swol> LACMA
[16:20] <shai_halud> yes, on wilshire?
[16:20] <swol> I can picture it now
[16:21] <shai_halud> here http://tinyurl.com/myoldapt
[16:21] <shai_halud> i lived at the top pf that tower
[16:22] <shai_halud> the big x xhaped ones
[16:22] <swol> Nice view of the clouds huh?
[16:22] <shai_halud> you can see all of LA from there
[16:22] <shai_halud> and the hollywood sign
[16:23] <shai_halud> 'bout 2 miles from the strip
[16:23] <swol> Great
[16:23] <shai_halud> indiana boy- i was a fish out of water, but i loved every minute
[16:24] <swol> Its all fun for a while,,,hehe
[16:24] <shai_halud> yeah. you said it
[16:24] <swol> Are you in some strange land now ?
[16:24] <shai_halud> back in indiana
[16:25] <swol> that could qualify huh?
[16:25] <shai_halud> it has it's strangeness, but it's mostly mundane
[16:25] <swol> not....boring?
[16:25] <shai_halud> that too
[16:25] <shai_halud> no music here
[16:26] <swol> hmm...it's every=where...no live music...yah
[16:26] <shai_halud> i got spoiled in Nashville Tennessee
[16:26] <swol> Life kicks in and live music anywhere is a treat ! If you can find time !
[16:27] <shai_halud> you wouldn't belIEVE the calibre of music the up and comers are making there these days
[16:27] <swol> To overly produced for me
[16:27] <shai_halud> oh no
[16:27] <swol> for example ?
[16:27] <shai_halud> these people are pulling themselves up by the bootstraps man
[16:27] <shai_halud> heypenny
[16:28] <swol> I will check heypenny out....
[16:28] <shai_halud> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oc9tPrSoQ
[16:28] <shai_halud> ther you go
[16:28] <shai_halud> hope you're a beatles fan
[16:29] <swol> I gotta run pal...to work....nice chatting...will see you again...and I will listen to yer tune-ette
[16:29] <swol> I am working on Girl
[16:29] <shai_halud> hehe
[16:29] <shai_halud> good luck
[16:29] <shai_halud> likewise
[16:29] <swol> See you hear often ?
[16:29] <shai_halud> oh yeah
[16:30] <shai_halud>  #lmms #opensourcemusicians
[16:30] <shai_halud> those too
[16:30] <swol> sounds good....
[16:30] <shai_halud> good places for assitance
[16:31] <swol> yes...I learn all ..or most of my solutions equally google and irc
[16:31] <shai_halud> mhmm
[16:32] <shai_halud> the web is a wonderful place if you know how and where to look
[16:32] <swol> I always clainm to have done a thorough googling anyway before I ask in irc...hehe
[16:32] <shai_halud> that can easily be refuted
[16:32] <swol> I know but its a good start
[16:33] <swol> Its not a total; lie
[16:33] <shai_halud> you don't want to get one of those "let me google that for you" links
[16:33] <swol> I usually google first
[16:33] <swol> I have
[16:33] <shai_halud> i bet
[16:33] <shai_halud> i did.... once
[16:34] <swol> Not to menytion just straight attack for not finding my own answers
[16:34] <shai_halud> some geeks are proprietary with their knowledge. most you find on irc are pretty easy going, thankfully
[16:35] <swol> I agree...most
[16:35] <shai_halud> you have 2 types of irc assholes. the elitist geeks and the trolls
[16:36] <swol> 2 is not broad enough
[16:36] <shai_halud> they comprise a very small percentage of actual irc users
[16:36] <shai_halud> then there's the variants of each
[16:37] <swol> Very true. But there is nothing worse than an empowered elitist
[16:37] <shai_halud> except maybe an incessant troll
[16:37] <swol> who PM's
[16:37] <shai_halud> oh god
[16:37] <swol> hehe..thats the one
[16:38] <shai_halud> dispicable
[16:38] <swol> Listen I must leave....Good ta meet ya....later k?
[16:38] <shai_halud> likewise, yup
[16:38] <swol> bye
[18:57] <Haohmaru> hello, i'm trying to put ubuntustudio on this machine which already has winXP and i'm trying not to f*ck up anything.. i reduced the size of the last partition and now i got a "free" chunk of about 58GB http://i.imgur.com/yxt8aZZ.png
[19:05] <zequence> Haohmaru: Looks good to me
[19:06] <zequence> Haohmaru: What you need to be aware of is that when you install Ubuntu Studio (and I guess you know this already), the Windows bootloader will be replaces with GRUB
[19:06] <zequence> which is no problem, since GRUB can see and boot windows
[19:07] <zequence> Haohmaru: You'll need two partitions. One SWAP partition which should be roughly 2x your RAM size
[19:07] <zequence> And the other a EXT4 for the root "/"
[19:40] <andy> Hi, I need some help installing drivers for an Asus Xonat DX PCIE card
[19:40] <andy> that's Xonar
[19:41] <zequence> andy: There are no special drivers for PCI cards on Linux
[19:41] <zequence> andy: Are you saying it doesn't work?
[19:42] <andy> It works but the volume is very low
[19:42] <andy> If I turn it up it distorts
[19:42] <zequence> andy: Here's a little guide I wrote about audio on Ubutnu Studio https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[19:43] <andy> Ok thanks - I have disabled Pulseaudio
[19:44] <zequence> andy: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Asus
[19:44] <zequence> andy: If you look in details, that stuff is not relevant to you
[19:44] <zequence> ..since the driver is already installed
[19:44] <andy> I was just on this site, but I couldn't figure where to do the download
[19:45] <zequence> andy: There's nothing to download
[19:45] <andy> unzip what?
[19:45] <zequence> The driver is a part of the core alsa packages, where all the drivers are included
[19:45] <andy> I have these via package mgr
[19:46] <zequence> andy: The drivers are not split into different packages. You already have the driver.
[19:46] <zequence> If there's a problem with the driver, it's a bug, and should be reported. But, I'm more leaning on leveling issues
[19:46] <andy> Ok . .. .
[19:47] <zequence> andy: What kind of mixer are you using to handle the audio levels for the card?
[19:47] <andy> I just rebooted so I think I should try alsamixer
[19:48] <zequence> There's alsamixergui, if you want a graphical version
[19:54] <andy> Still distorting badly
[20:04] <Haohmaru> zequence, thanks, i resized it so that i got ~4.7GB "swap" chunk after the ext4
[20:04] <Haohmaru> does the swap chunk need to be formatted, cuz it didn't automatically mark itself for format
[20:06] <Haohmaru> and can i abort the installation after these new partitions get created/formatted, cuz i read that i need to boot my winXP before proceeding with linux installation, so that it can "detect" that my E:\ has been "resized" ..
[20:47] <zequence> Haohmaru: Don't know why you would need to boot XP before installation is complete. Just sounds like XP will find the new size at next boot
[20:47] <Haohmaru> i read it somewhere
[20:47] <zequence> Has nothing to do with the boot loader anyway
[20:48] <zequence> Or, does it?
[20:48] <zequence> I guess there's a chance that there are som win tools in the boot sector
[20:48] <zequence> You can safely abort installation. The partitions will be there the next time again
[20:49] <Haohmaru> too late now, i pressed next and now it's kind of installed
[20:49] <zequence> Haohmaru: It's not too late until GRUB is installed
[20:49] <zequence> That happens last
[20:49] <Haohmaru> when is GRUB installed exactly?
[20:50] <zequence> It's the very last step of the process
[20:50] <Haohmaru> right now it finished showing me pretty pictures about what apps it hast
[20:50] <Haohmaru> and wants me to reboot
[20:50] <Haohmaru> * has
[20:50] <zequence> Then, yes, too late
[20:50] <zequence> :) good luck
[20:51] <Haohmaru> oookay, thanks
[20:51] <zequence> Haohmaru: If for some reason you want to reinstall XP again, just do that. But, then GRUB will be removed.
[20:51] <Haohmaru> ahum
[20:52] <zequence> GRUB can be added separately, but you might find it easier to just reinstall Ubuntu Studio again, after a win XP install
[20:59] <Haohmaru> so after the reboot, there was a bootloader ;]
[21:03] <zequence> I'm assuming you mean there was now the GRUB boot loader, and no Windows boot loader
[21:03] <Haohmaru> yes
[21:04] <zequence> Haohmaru: So, booting into XP was fine?
[21:04] <zequence> This guy is funny https://plus.google.com/u/0/102544462835105704231/posts
[21:04] <Haohmaru> i didn't boot XP yet (but i saw it in the bootloader list)
[21:05] <Haohmaru> imma reboot again now and see if my XP is broken or not
[21:13] <Haohmaru> winXP detected that something's wrong with drive E: so it ran CHKDSK automatically, then it ran fine
[21:13] <Haohmaru> kewl
[21:16] <Haohmaru> just one question: how do i move the taskbar thing which is on the top, to the bottom of the screen?
[21:19] <zequence> Haohmaru: Right click on the panel. I don't use XFCE much, so I don't know this on top of my head, but all the controls are there
[21:19] <zequence> Just read the menu that pops uå
[21:19] <zequence> up*
[21:21] <Haohmaru> ah, figured it
[21:21] <Haohmaru> \o/
[22:51] <Haohmaru> in the settings, color calibration doesn't do anything :/
[23:37] <hectorlopez> hi there, nice to meet you ubuntustudio, im from argentina, and i have fresh install and configured studio :P
[23:46] <zequence> hectorlopez: Hope you have fun with it :)
[23:47] <hectorlopez> thanks i need install lives and openframeworks lives to vjing and openframeworks to mapping
[23:48] <hectorlopez> i will do,