| apachelogger | someone make me finish the plymouth scripty this week plz | 04:51 |
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| ScottK | yofel: Sad news: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132351010/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armhf.kdepim_4%3A4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 05:50 |
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| soee | good morning | 07:10 |
| yofel | ScottK: I don't know moc well enough to understand what the problem is... | 08:10 |
| agateau | Riddell: do you have a tool to check pep8 conformance? | 09:34 |
| Riddell | agateau: it gets run during package build of ubiquity | 09:35 |
| Riddell | test/run-pep8 I think | 09:35 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok | 09:36 |
| agateau | Riddell: just pushed pep8 fixes | 09:58 |
| agateau | Riddell: one things worries me though: I can't test the slideshow. The installer crashes before it reaches this step (same thing happens on trunk). Any clue? | 09:59 |
| Riddell | agateau: um nope, that's worrying | 09:59 |
| Riddell | I'll try it on a virtual machine in a bit | 10:00 |
| agateau | Riddell: I test it by running "ubiquity -d kde_ui" by hand, not through the install iso. Not sure if it matters | 10:00 |
| vassie | hello all | 10:01 |
| xnox | agateau: we are not talking about "testing ubiquity" we are talking about running the unit tests =) / check target. | 10:06 |
| agateau | xnox: ? | 10:07 |
| xnox | agateau: ./tests/run-pep8 ./tests/run-pyflakes | 10:07 |
| agateau | xnox: yes, I fixed those. I am talking about a different issue. | 10:07 |
| xnox | yes..... | 10:07 |
| xnox | now that I catch up on backscroll =) sorry | 10:08 |
| xnox | there is automated ./tests/run as well, but i'm not sure it exercises Qt frontend or not. | 10:08 |
| agateau | interesting, I'll give it a try | 10:09 |
| Riddell | hi vassie | 10:16 |
| vassie | Riddell: hello | 10:21 |
| vassie | Riddell: who do i thank for the help with cantata? | 10:21 |
| Riddell | vassie: oh I think that was a team effort, but you should still test it to ensure it's working | 10:21 |
| vassie | Riddell: will do, if i can stay away, very jetlagged | 10:22 |
| vassie | Riddell: ^awake | 10:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: or apachelogger: Could you please help yofel and me with: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132351010/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armhf.kdepim_4%3A4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 10:25 |
| Riddell | "./templatedlg.moc:97:11: error: 'KDialoh' has not been declared" mm is that moc making a typo for KDialog? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | ScottK: have you tried recreating it on your arm machines? | 10:32 |
| ScottK | Riddell: No. | 10:56 |
| ScottK | And I'll be offline all day. | 10:56 |
| ScottK | Maybe hit retry first and see if that solves it. I didn't so someone could see the logs. | 10:56 |
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| Mirv | hmm, how did the Ambiance theme using in Qt4 work? in Qt5 it seems no theme information is used anymore | 11:22 |
| Mirv | the most up-to-date information I can find is in http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/10/30/cleaning-up-styles-in-qt5-and-adding-fusion/ and its comments, but mostly it'd seem gtkstyle is now just integrated and I don't know what more should be done | 11:23 |
| Mirv | I initially thought we had some related patch in Qt4, but it seems there are no more patches that wouldn't have been upstreamed regarding themes | 11:24 |
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| * Mirv found some missing dependencies | 12:14 | |
| Mirv | and that system icon support is not yet implemented https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,45291 | 12:15 |
| Mirv | (and that qtconfig building is currently disabled) | 12:15 |
| Riddell | Mirv: I've added your queries to my todo queue for the day :) | 12:19 |
| Mirv | :) I'm trying another build now | 12:20 |
| ovidiu-florin | hello world :D | 12:23 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:46 |
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| === mkv is now known as m4v | ||
| apachelogger | ScottK: makes no sense | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | now the log's gone :P | 13:36 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I hit rebuild | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | awww | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | got the log still in cache or something? | 13:37 |
| Riddell | ye | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | please pasty somewhere | 13:38 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/ | 13:39 |
| * apachelogger thinks the router here will soon explode | 13:41 | |
| apachelogger | having tedious connection drops all day | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/681860/ | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | that's what I moc on quantal | 13:42 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: no mention of KDialoh | 13:42 |
| Riddell | maybe moc really did make a typo | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | KDialoh appears to be a result | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | _ckname should be _clname | 13:44 |
| Riddell | maybe moc was having a bad day and spilled coke on its keyboard | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | and that's internal | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | quite possible ^^ | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | 7 seconds lag | 13:45 |
| * apachelogger doesn't get it -.- | 13:45 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell, ScottK, yofel: theory of the day: weird hiccups in moc on armhf | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | god knows why | 13:47 |
| yofel | agreed | 13:47 |
| Darkwing | Morning | 13:57 |
| Riddell | howdy leader in training | 13:58 |
| Darkwing | :D | 13:58 |
| Darkwing | Taking a break after hour 3 lol | 13:58 |
| Darkwing | I hate wintery mix weather | 13:58 |
| Darkwing | Rain, freezing rain, snow and more freezing rain. | 13:59 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , we have the same | 13:59 |
| Darkwing | Where you located BluesKaj? | 14:00 |
| BluesKaj | I'm a place callled , Sudbury Ontario, Canada , an you Darkwing ? | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | near | 14:01 |
| Darkwing | Fort Wayne, Indiana... I'm about an hour south of Michigan and 25 minutes west of Ohio... | 14:02 |
| BluesKaj | w' live close to one of the great lakes , Lake Huron/Georgian Bay | 14:02 |
| BluesKaj | Darkwing, yes, I've driven thru your area , but it was a while back | 14:03 |
| Darkwing | Not too far | 14:03 |
| Darkwing | I just moved here in last August. | 14:03 |
| Darkwing | I used to be in San Diego lol | 14:03 |
| BluesKaj | ,big diff there :) | 14:04 |
| Darkwing | Also a HUGE difference in cost of living | 14:04 |
| BluesKaj | really ? | 14:05 |
| Darkwing | Much cheaper here | 14:06 |
| Darkwing | In San Diego, I had a medium 2 bed apartment that was 2400USD a month. Here I have a larger house for 600USD a month. | 14:06 |
| BluesKaj | nice , that is cheap , a std 3 bedroom bungalow here goes for 900 minimum plus utilities and heating bills can average 400-500/mos in winter | 14:11 |
| BluesKaj | well ,this winter anyway | 14:11 |
| BluesKaj | been damn cold | 14:12 |
| Quintasan | \o | 14:12 |
| Darkwing | I have 3 bed here... The heat is a bit more. Plus it does get warm here in summer too. | 14:12 |
| Darkwing | It hasn't been too cold this year. | 14:12 |
| Quintasan | I have a crapton of snow here, want some Darkwing? | 14:13 |
| Darkwing | We had a couple weeks where it was -15C | 14:13 |
| Darkwing | We are supposed to get about 10cm in the next 24 hours Quintasan | 14:13 |
| Quintasan | >10cm | 14:14 |
| Quintasan | well | 14:14 |
| Quintasan | I can send you 50cm of snow if you want :P | 14:14 |
| Quintasan | riiiiiiiiiiiiight away | 14:14 |
| Darkwing | LOL | 14:14 |
| * yofel watches the 2cm snow outside | 14:15 | |
| yofel | it's snowing right now, but +1°C | 14:15 |
| BluesKaj | we're running out of space to put the snow, the snow banks here are beginning to melt but not fast enough | 14:16 |
| Darkwing | lol yay for ice. | 14:17 |
| Quintasan | heck | 14:18 |
| Quintasan | I can even send you a snowman | 14:18 |
| Quintasan | wait | 14:18 |
| Quintasan | why the hell am I here where I should be making a snowman? | 14:18 |
| Darkwing | When my kids were here over christmas, we made a very very short snowman. | 14:18 |
| Darkwing | https://plus.google.com/photos/112229419791678868031/albums/5826691504033031393?authkey=CNnEko7m5O-3Kg | 14:20 |
| BluesKaj | last yr at this time we had just a little snow left , and by mar 3rd it was gone. I recall marking it on the calendar. | 14:20 |
| Quintasan | Darkwing: Say anything you want but I'm almost 20 and I'm not passing a chance to make an xbox huge snowman and then flykicking it :P | 14:20 |
| Darkwing | Quintasan: I just turned 30 and that sounds like wayyyyy too much fun :D | 14:21 |
| Quintasan | >too much fun | 14:21 |
| Quintasan | there is not such a thing as "too much fun" | 14:21 |
| * Quintasan doesn't believe in that | 14:22 | |
| Darkwing | It's a US phrase meaning let's do it. | 14:22 |
| Quintasan | oh | 14:22 |
| Quintasan | go on | 14:22 |
| Quintasan | do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet | 14:22 |
| Darkwing | :D | 14:22 |
| Quintasan | hell | 14:23 |
| Quintasan | I should be going to uni soon | 14:23 |
| Quintasan | I didn't go to lectures in the morning | 14:23 |
| Quintasan | according to my roomate, I woke about, took medicine | 14:23 |
| Quintasan | turned off the alarm | 14:24 |
| Darkwing | My classes are online. :D A get to go to a good school with all online classes. | 14:24 |
| Quintasan | and went back to bed | 14:24 |
| Darkwing | s/A/I/ | 14:24 |
| kubotu | Darkwing meant: "My classes are online. :D I get to go to a good school with all online classes." | 14:24 |
| Quintasan | I woke up like 1 hour ago | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | strange | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | LUNCHPAD Y U RUIN MY PERFECTLY READ INBOX | 14:26 |
| BluesKaj | I quit launchpad notices , pita with constant dupes | 14:30 |
| Darkwing | I dump it all in a folder with a serverside sort | 14:36 |
| BluesKaj | dunno how to do that | 14:39 |
| Darkwing | I have cpanel and use IMAP | 14:39 |
| Quintasan | Darkwing: I do CTRL+A CTRL+R | 14:39 |
| Quintasan | WORKS EVERY TIME | 14:39 |
| Quintasan | wait | 14:39 |
| Quintasan | oops | 14:39 |
| Darkwing | lol | 14:39 |
| * Quintasan hides | 14:39 | |
| Quintasan | that's how I read mailing lists too | 14:40 |
| * yofel uses quite a bit of serverside filtering - except for mails related to debian, those put their origin information into fields I can't use on server side and need client sorting | 14:46 | |
| BluesKaj | well, what I did works , and I don't have to deal with unwanted emails at all , and I can't use kmail so my settings on t-bird are auto , including imap | 14:46 |
| BluesKaj | wow , blue sky and sunshine , finally after 3 days of dreariness | 14:48 |
| Darkwing | kmail and pgp is annoying | 14:48 |
| Darkwing | gpg rather | 14:48 |
| BluesKaj | kmail segfaults after a few days here | 14:49 |
| Darkwing | I'm on the LTS and it's still annoying | 14:49 |
| Darkwing | I wish GMail could be used as a IMAP client | 14:49 |
| yofel | works reasonably well here in 4.10, finally | 14:49 |
| BluesKaj | so I haven't bothered retrying it ...no need for a server running a database here either , I'm just a home user | 14:49 |
| BluesKaj | server=akonadi | 14:50 |
| yofel | it works reasonably fast these days. Someone just choose to use SQL instead of a plaintext database to make the data easier to share between applications. | 14:53 |
| Darkwing | So, this is the worst in design I have seen ever from ASUS... Worst. Font Ever. http://imm.io/Xt4D | 15:12 |
| Darkwing | Yes, it's in Windows | 15:13 |
| Quintasan | wat | 15:18 |
| JontheEchidna | I can picture a middle-aged manager looking over the engineer's shoulder telling him to use that font | 15:18 |
| yofel | that's the enterprise version of the installer | 15:19 |
| yofel | someone accidentally used it for a public package | 15:19 |
| shadeslayer | \o | 15:36 |
| agateau | Riddell: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-windowedhz5759 <= current state of ubiquity refresh (powered by sheytan background texture) | 15:39 |
| lordievader | Looks good to me agateau :) | 15:40 |
| agateau | lordievader: thanks! | 15:40 |
| yofel | nice | 15:40 |
| agateau | but I see I should take some inspiration from this awesome asus installer shared by Darkwing instead | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | sigh | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer | I kept thinking why my mouse doesn't move | 15:41 |
| agateau | :D | 15:41 |
| lordievader | Oh yeah! Definitely go with that font! | 15:41 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: that's what happen when I clumsily take screenshots from a VM | 15:41 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: you turned it off? ^^ | 15:41 |
| yofel | oh, lol | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: heh, no, the image had a mouse and my actual mouse was at the bottom of the screen | 15:42 |
| agateau | owned by screenshot! | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | haven't recovered from the weekend clearly | 15:42 |
| agateau | :) | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | hm, ubuntu getting voice recognition | 15:53 |
| shadeslayer | nice | 15:53 |
| Riddell | agateau: ooh la la | 16:02 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: time for a blog to say we already have simon? | 16:03 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: where did you get to with ubiquity wifi and camera support? | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | camera support is somewhat there, I need to fix it up according to apachelogger's recommendations | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | I don't think I can do wifi support this cycle | 16:07 |
| Riddell | okay dokay | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | UDS registrations still not up? | 16:09 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: seems not | 16:31 |
| shadeslayer | k | 16:34 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: they removed the info regarding where it'll be held | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | how weird | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8ncz8ULJCz0J:uds.ubuntu.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk vs http://uds.ubuntu.com/ | 16:39 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: ah well maybe it's not in oakland then | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 16:39 |
| agateau | wow, something weird is happening here | 16:40 |
| Riddell | ScottK, yofel, apachelogger: kdepim got further this time, now at 60% was at 19% when moc made its typo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4327276 | 16:41 |
| * shadeslayer might buy a Nexus 10 soonish | 16:42 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: why? | 16:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: PA3 stuff | 16:42 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: but why a 10 and not a 7? | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer | because it has a better screen? | 16:43 |
| Riddell | "ooh shiny" :) | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer | heh :) | 16:44 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: mind that it's different hardware so there's no guarantee any part of ubuntu would work on the 10 | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | errr | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 16:44 |
| Riddell | ok I'm wrong | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | I'm also trying to port it to my HTC One X | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | unfortunately, no plasma interface for phones | 16:45 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: infact it works better on the 10 than it does on the 7 :) | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | davmor2: how so? | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | more powerful hardware? | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | I just have to figure out logistics | 16:46 |
| davmor2 | shadeslayer: cameras, sound and media all work on the 10 but not the 7, for touch rather than kubuntu the 7 doesn't have user login/switch or the sideshow so far amongst other things | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 16:47 |
| davmor2 | shadeslayer: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes | 16:50 |
| * shadeslayer wants PA3 to work perfectly on atleast 1 device | 16:50 | |
| shadeslayer | camera ... oooh | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: btw Kubuntu Raring doesn't boot on secure boot machines | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | I tried it at DA IICT one someone's laptop | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | s/one/on | 17:14 |
| Riddell | hum | 17:14 |
| Riddell | I've been getting unclear results with this vaio | 17:14 |
| Riddell | it doesn't work with 12.04.1 but it does with quantal and 12.04.2 | 17:15 |
| Riddell | I suspect not all secure boot machines are created equal | 17:15 |
| * Riddell spots https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/uds-project/virtual-changes/+merge/150620 | 17:17 | |
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| shadeslayer | Virtual UDS? 0.o | 17:24 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: wibble | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | ? | 17:34 |
| Riddell | meaning i'm worried and upset by the idea at UDS might be virtual | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 17:35 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 17:35 |
| jono | Riddell, why upset and worried? | 17:38 |
| Riddell | jono: was looking forward to a nice UDS in oakland again | 17:42 |
| Riddell | will be a shame to only do the video thing | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | not to mention I have shitty internet and cannot do video streaming :( | 17:43 |
| jono | Riddell, I agree that face to face time is always great, but there are some limitations in UDS | 17:43 |
| jono | it is not as transparent as it could be | 17:43 |
| jono | for those who don't attend in person | 17:44 |
| jono | we want to help fix that | 17:44 |
| jono | and have a more accountable record of the event instead of a handful of sessions videoed | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | jono: so this UDS will be completely done online? | 17:44 |
| jono | shadeslayer, yep | 17:44 |
| jono | about to announce the changes | 17:44 |
| jono | overall this should be better for wider participation in the event | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | bleh, I'll need to get better internets then | 17:45 |
| jono | I will ping the blog when it goes online, just waiting for a few final changes | 17:45 |
| yofel | well, at least I don't have to worry about applying then I guess | 17:51 |
| * Riddell watches http://www.mobileworldlive.com/mobile-world-live-tv-live-stream | 17:51 | |
| yofel | jono: what's the planned timezone for the session times? | 17:51 |
| jono | yofel, UTC | 17:51 |
| yofel | thanks | 17:51 |
| jono | but we picked a set of times that works as best as possible for Europe and America | 17:52 |
| jono | Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/26/ubuntu-developer-summits-now-online-and-every-three-months/ | 18:03 |
| shadeslayer | thx | 18:03 |
| yofel | 3 months? as a kind of milestone discussion? | 18:03 |
| * yofel actually reads the page | 18:04 | |
| Riddell | mm.. next week | 18:06 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 18:06 |
| Riddell | good thing we're not got anything scheduled for next week, like feature freeze for example, cos that would be crazy to make those clash | 18:07 |
| jjesse | wow | 18:07 |
| yofel | lol | 18:08 |
| yofel | but yeah, great timing :/ | 18:08 |
| === murthy_ is now known as murthy | ||
| murthy | hello everyone | 18:09 |
| yofel | hi | 18:09 |
| jono | Riddell, well, given the fact there wasn't an event scheduled for next week originally, you can always just schedule for the May UDS | 18:12 |
| jono | Riddell, then you don't lose anything | 18:12 |
| jono | but next week is available for those who do want to utilize it | 18:12 |
| murthy | yofel: hi | 18:21 |
| murthy | yofel: i have a copyright with hybrid licence. here is the copyright text . http://paste.kde.org/682100/ From this link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:BSD?rd=Licensing/BSD i can identify it as Hybrid BSD . What will be the keywork to be used in debian/copyright for this one? | 18:24 |
| * yofel passes that to apachelogger | 18:27 | |
| murthy | apachelogger: ^ | 18:28 |
| yofel | murthy: "If there are licenses present in the package without a standard short name, an arbitrary short name may be assigned for these licenses." so calling it 'Hybrid BSD' would be ok | 18:34 |
| murthy | yofel: will the standards accept it? | 18:35 |
| yofel | that's from the dep5 documentation | 18:36 |
| murthy | yofel: can you point it out for me>? | 18:36 |
| yofel | so unless I understand it wrong, if dep5 doesn't define a name for a license, you may call it like you wish | 18:36 |
| Riddell | I agree with yofel's understanding | 18:37 |
| yofel | murthy: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#license-field | 18:37 |
| murthy | reading | 18:37 |
| murthy | yofel: you are right, so shall i use "BSD-Hybrid" ? | 18:39 |
| yofel | yeah | 18:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | Gotta go. See you soon. ;) | 18:41 |
| murthy | What should i do if there is no years of work is mentioned in a copyright ? | 18:57 |
| Riddell | murthy: just leave it without then | 18:59 |
| murthy | ok | 18:59 |
| jussi | o/ | 19:23 |
| jussi | Riddell: so is it yet possible to disclose the state of our finance? | 19:24 |
| murthy | yofel: earlier you mentioned a file with dual license, i am on it right now, so what will be the license filed ? | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | murthy, yofel: that reads like a 3clause bsd... | 19:31 |
| apachelogger | what's hybrid about it? | 19:31 |
| murthy | apachelogger: clause 2 is removed | 19:31 |
| murthy | apachelogger: also check this out | 19:32 |
| murthy | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/682226/ | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | the thing you posted has 3 clauses | 19:32 |
| yofel | the formulation his half bsd half zlib | 19:32 |
| yofel | wait | 19:33 |
| murthy | apachelogger: ya | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | yofel: no | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | says exactly what the 3 cluase bsd says | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | alas, it probably does not use the same wording | 19:33 |
| murthy | yofel: one i posted now has apple and bsd 3 clause | 19:33 |
| yofel | murthy: what was the original one again? | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | bsd... | 19:34 |
| murthy | let me check it again | 19:34 |
| afiestas | anyway to install kscreen in 12.10? | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | darwin's derived from bsd | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | last time I asked you said it's not ready :P | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: looking into a backport later | 19:37 |
| murthy | apachelogger: as you said this http://paste.kde.org/682100/ is using bsd clause 3 with changed wording | 19:40 |
| murthy | apachelogger: what about this file with a dual license apple and bsd 3 http://paste.kde.org/682226/ | 19:41 |
| murthy | apachelogger: what will the license field contain ? | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | 3 clause bsd | 19:42 |
| murthy | apachelogger: apple? | 19:42 |
| Riddell | jussi: on the public document? | 19:42 |
| yofel | murthy: http://paste.kde.org/682100/ is plain bsd-3 | 19:42 |
| Riddell | jussi: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AosntDLfgW_kdFQzWmZjTkt5X1lWQ3FFdXB3QkpTZ3c#gid=0 | 19:42 |
| Riddell | jussi: needs some tidying to separate KDE GB and Kubuntu accounts | 19:43 |
| murthy | yofel: ya | 19:43 |
| yofel | murthy: the other one is apsl-2.0 and bsd-4 | 19:43 |
| murthy | yofel: so should i list them one below the other in the license field ? | 19:43 |
| jussi | Riddell: ahh, excellent, thanks | 19:44 |
| yofel | murthy: well, as they are 2 licenses you can make a block for each one with the proper name. The license for the file would be apsl-2.0 and bsd-4-clause then | 19:48 |
| murthy | yofel: so apsl-2.0 is a proper keyword right? | 19:50 |
| murthy | Mirv: what about this one http://paste.kde.org/682238/ ? | 19:50 |
| murthy | oops | 19:51 |
| murthy | Mirv: nm | 19:51 |
| murthy | yofel: ^ | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | license keys are self-defining | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | it's why one needs to add the short version of the license | 19:54 |
| murthy | apachelogger: so i can just put bsd? | 19:55 |
| yofel | murthy: if http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#license-specification specifies a name, you should use it | 19:56 |
| yofel | otherwise use what you want - as long as you're consistent in the file | 19:56 |
| murthy | apachelogger: in this case its a bsd with just one point from cluase 4 so i can put BSD-4-Hybrid ? | 19:57 |
| murthy | yofel: ^ | 19:57 |
| murthy | yofel: i can understand the point, but i need to know if there any restrictions in using a custom string? | 19:58 |
| murthy | yofel: previously i was not aware of the fact that it is necessary to limit the column width of a debian changelog to 80 chars | 19:59 |
| yofel | murthy: unless dep5 says so, no | 20:01 |
| yofel | and IIRC it does not | 20:01 |
| murthy | yofel: ok | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | murthy: whate are you talking about? | 20:02 |
| murthy | apachelogger: the license field string specs | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | there's still no such thing as a bsd-4-hybrid | 20:03 |
| murthy | can there be a blank line in a copyright text or it should be replaced with a period ? | 20:03 |
| murthy | apachelogger: ya thats a custom one | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | where? | 20:04 |
| murthy | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/682238/ | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | how is that anything-4 with 1 clause Oo | 20:05 |
| murthy | apachelogger: that point is taken from bsd's 4 th clause | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | so? | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | that is a bsd 1-clause license | 20:07 |
| murthy | apachelogger: donbt we have to match the keyword template? | 20:07 |
| murthy | apachelogger: *don't | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | see what I wrote earlier | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | it still has nothing to do with 4-clause | 20:08 |
| murthy | apachelogger: i mean 4th clause | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | http://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-2-Clause | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | closest relative | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | murthy: it's simply a bst-style license | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | *bsd-style | 20:08 |
| murthy | apachelogger: "* Neither the name of the organization nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission." | 20:09 |
| murthy | apachelogger: thats the 4th clause of the bsd | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | it's still bsd-style | 20:09 |
| yofel | murthy: 4-clause relates to the number of clauses, not which one | 20:10 |
| yofel | bsd is pretty loose on the wording anyway | 20:10 |
| murthy | yofel: when people see the keyword they will know that the 4th clause is used in the license so thats why the number 4 | 20:11 |
| apachelogger | it has nothing to do with bsd-4-clause | 20:12 |
| apachelogger | it is a bsd-style license | 20:12 |
| apachelogger | end of story | 20:12 |
| murthy | anyway i will use bsd-style | 20:12 |
| murthy | yofel: ok | 20:13 |
| Riddell | jussi: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AosntDLfgW_kdFQzWmZjTkt5X1lWQ3FFdXB3QkpTZ3c#gid=0 updated, £7744.99 in the kubuntu fund | 20:34 |
| Riddell | oh no, a bit more | 20:35 |
| * Riddell fixes | 20:35 | |
| Riddell | £7772 | 20:36 |
| Riddell | yofel, ScottK: kdepim compiled on armhf in quantal-proposed | 20:57 |
| shadeslayer | any recommendations on how to update the poppler symbols? | 20:58 |
| yofel | yay | 20:59 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: what do you mean? | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | for some reasons it has foo.symbols.in and then debian/rules does some sed magic | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | s/reasons/reason | 20:59 |
| yofel | fun | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | debian/%.symbols: debian/%.symbols.in | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | cat $^ | sed -e 's/#CURVER#/$(UPSTREAM_VERSION)/g' > $@ | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/poppler_0.22.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc | 21:01 |
| shadeslayer | if you're interested | 21:01 |
| shadeslayer | https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/4328955 and https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/4328956 | 21:01 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: found out how to do it? | 21:19 |
| shadeslayer | errr no | 21:19 |
| shadeslayer | I tried a couple of ways | 21:19 |
| yofel | with C you can IIRC just apply the patch | 21:19 |
| yofel | but you'll have the sed the version | 21:20 |
| shadeslayer | but then there's i386 and amd64 | 21:20 |
| yofel | s/the/to/ | 21:20 |
| kubotu | yofel meant: "but you'll have to sed the version" | 21:20 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: is there anything arch specific there? | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | the glib8 stuff seems the same, the qt4 stuff, not so much | 21:29 |
| yofel | I *think* it's fine from how I understand the subst stuff in pkgkde-symbolshelper | 21:36 |
| yofel | worst case, poke pino | 21:36 |
| * apachelogger so tired :( | 21:37 | |
| * shadeslayer is still looking into it | 21:42 | |
| Darkwing | Now I'm sad | 21:47 |
| Darkwing | Online UDS.... | 21:48 |
| Darkwing | Not very happy about this. | 21:48 |
| yofel | we need to get you to Akademy somehow | 21:48 |
| Darkwing | Unless it changes date I can't. | 21:48 |
| yofel | :( | 21:48 |
| Darkwing | I have my kids during the summer months. | 21:48 |
| Darkwing | I don't get them very often... I get them first week of June and have them through August. | 21:49 |
| yofel | nah, perfectly understandable. They do like to have it during summer though :/ | 21:49 |
| Darkwing | May would be perfect. | 21:49 |
| Darkwing | Well, Now I have some stuff to figure out. | 21:52 |
| * shadeslayer is sad as well | 21:52 | |
| shadeslayer | I had plans for stuff | 21:52 |
| Darkwing | So did I... the weekend after I had family plans. | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | plus, my 10 year US visa seems a bit pointless now :P | 21:53 |
| Darkwing | I have a feeling that this will not work out as well as people think. | 21:54 |
| Darkwing | Talk about taking away the personal touch | 21:54 |
| shadeslayer | I'm open to giving it a shot, except my bandwidth is shit for this kind of thing | 21:55 |
| Darkwing | So is a lot of people. | 21:55 |
| shadeslayer | not to mention latency and other stuff | 21:55 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: so far I haven't heard from anyone who thinks it'll work out well | 21:55 |
| Darkwing | Riddell: :) This is going to cause a HUGE "It's not open" push | 21:56 |
| BluesKaj | having a seminar during the summer is off the mark , ppl spend time on vacation etc ..maybe a geek vacation,for some , but for others totally wrong | 21:56 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: if the KDE office in barcelona is open we could have our own kubuntu sprint during UDS week | 21:58 |
| Darkwing | Riddell: I think it would be interesting to do something in person... | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | Darkwing: not that I am up-to-date on the matters but KDE usually has a counterpart event in NA | 22:06 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: hmm, what do you recommend I do for these two symbols that only appear in the amd64 builds : | 22:06 |
| shadeslayer | +#MISSING: 0.22.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN7Poppler10Annotation5Style7PrivateC1ERKS2_@Base 0.20.1 | 22:06 |
| shadeslayer | +#MISSING: 0.22.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN7Poppler10Annotation5Style7PrivateC2ERKS2_@Base 0.20.1 | 22:06 |
| * shadeslayer goes off to read dpkg-gensymbols to get a better idea | 22:09 | |
| shadeslayer | so, according to dpkg-gensymbols, it's safe to just drop those symbols from the file | 22:11 |
| yofel | optional ones you can drop, but what do you mean with amd64 only? | 22:12 |
| * yofel reads both logs | 22:13 | |
| shadeslayer | those 2 symbols only appear in the amd64 log | 22:13 |
| yofel | hm, looks i386 specific then | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | you mean amd64 specific? | 22:14 |
| yofel | Poppler::Annotation::Style::Private::Private(Poppler::Annotation::Style::Private const&) | 22:14 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: it's only missing on amd64 => i386 specific to me | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | right, I mis-interpreted that | 22:15 |
| yofel | possibly add arch=, but if that's really gccinternal then it's unpredictable where it'll appear and where not | 22:16 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: just forget about it: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/128628490/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-amd64.poppler_0.20.5-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz | 22:17 |
| shadeslayer | oh lol | 22:18 |
| murthy | yofel: the files thirdparty/breakpad/third_party/glog/* has google's copyright with type bsd-3 clause except the build scripts (9 files) which has FSF copyright with type GPL. Should i list the script files? | 22:18 |
| shadeslayer | I'll just use the i386 patch then | 22:18 |
| yofel | murthy: yes | 22:18 |
| murthy | yofel: ok | 22:19 |
| yofel | you list any files with copyright in them | 22:19 |
| murthy | yofel: ok | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: when will the kpeople/ktp stuff getfixed :S | 22:19 |
| shadeslayer | argh | 22:20 |
| yofel | do the *fixing* post-FF | 22:20 |
| shadeslayer | I thought I disabled the Quantal/Precise builds | 22:20 |
| shadeslayer | bah | 22:20 |
| shadeslayer | shit is broken again | 22:20 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: rage at mck182 | 22:20 |
| shadeslayer | I setup a email forward to forward all kpeople FTBFS's to him | 22:21 |
| shadeslayer | eh wat | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | meow | 22:21 |
| shadeslayer | libkpeople-dev : Depends: libkpeople4 (= 0+git20130218+r185-0ubuntu1~raring1) but it is not going to be installed | 22:21 |
| murthy | yofel: this is just GPL right? http://paste.kde.org/682346/ | 22:23 |
| yofel | murthy: GPL-2+ | 22:24 |
| yofel | hm | 22:24 |
| yofel | GPL-2+ with Autoconf exception | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | ... | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | I fear this is getting too detailed | 22:25 |
| Riddell | murthy: you can ignore that | 22:26 |
| apachelogger | in fact I know it is | 22:26 |
| Riddell | "you may include it under | 22:26 |
| Riddell | # the same distribution terms that you use for the rest of that program" | 22:26 |
| Riddell | means you can ignore it | 22:26 |
| murthy | sorry i overlooked it | 22:26 |
| murthy | its gpl2+ | 22:26 |
| * yofel is too tired for licensing today -.- | 22:26 | |
| murthy | yofel: sorry | 22:27 |
| murthy | yofel: i am iterating through the dirs and its like the russian doll | 22:27 |
| yofel | nah, it's me that's sorry | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | yofel: does buildstatus work with ppas? | 22:27 |
| yofel | well, *that* is reality ^^ | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: buildstatus kscreen | 22:27 |
| kubotu | kscreen: | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | yeah that looks broken alright | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | :( | 22:28 |
| murthy | yofel: i will be finishing in 15 min | 22:28 |
| yofel | apachelogger: not really, seems to track the primary archive | 22:28 |
| yofel | not like adding ppa support would be much work | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | the output is weird at any rate | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | yofel: would be cool if you could make that happen ^^ | 22:29 |
| yofel | remind me again if it's not done by weekend | 22:29 |
| murthy | Riddell: which one to ignore? | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: buildstatus amarok | 22:29 |
| kubotu | amarok: | 22:29 |
| kubotu | powerpc Successfully built | 22:29 |
| kubotu | i386 Successfully built | 22:29 |
| kubotu | armhf Successfully built | 22:29 |
| kubotu | armel Successfully built... | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | also I think one-line output would be nice | 22:29 |
| * apachelogger wonders why kscreen is broken and sighs | 22:30 | |
| Riddell | murthy: ignore http://paste.kde.org/682346/ | 22:30 |
| murthy | Riddell: you mean i can ignore the copyright for the build scripts? | 22:30 |
| Riddell | murthy: yes | 22:30 |
| murthy | Riddell: cool | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: kscreen in ppa however lunchpad decided that today is a busy day and refuses to build it within the next couple of hours... | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | backports ppa | 22:31 |
| murthy | ha ha ha | 22:33 |
| murthy | I am going to get mad today | 22:33 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 22:33 |
| murthy | when open a dir and it contains a single dir and i thnk its going to end and then when i open it and i see several dir with many files :D | 22:35 |
| murthy | my prognosis is that i will take a day to finish | 22:36 |
| * yofel usually uses licensecheck piped through several layers of grep for licensing fun | 22:36 | |
| murthy | yofel: eventually i will do the same, but since this is my learning period , it will be good for me to do it manually | 22:37 |
| shadeslayer | we should outsource licensing fixes to monkeys | 22:38 |
| murthy | ya | 22:39 |
| yofel | they're already busy making drafts for freedesktop standards and don't have time | 22:39 |
| murthy | oops i thought that was joke | 22:39 |
| yofel | it was :P | 22:39 |
| murthy | such a team exist? | 22:39 |
| murthy | ah :D | 22:40 |
| yofel | only on the planet of apes | 22:40 |
| murthy | yofel: its like the google's april gag | 22:40 |
| murthy | yofel: after what Riddell, i am wondering if had wasted my time | 22:41 |
| yofel | murthy: I think he meant the exception | 22:42 |
| yofel | it's still GPL-2+ | 22:42 |
| murthy | yofel: thirdparty/breakpad/* has google's copyright with the exception of some | 22:42 |
| shadeslayer | freedesktop standards are the lulz | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | yes, they are a joke, lol | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | :P | 22:42 |
| murthy | yofel: the breakpad has many files | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: what are you lulzing at? | 22:43 |
| murthy | yofel: Riddell can you take a look at the dir tomahawk-0.6.0/thirdparty/breakpad and tell me if it needs the exceptions need to be listed? | 22:44 |
| yofel | murthy: that's why I would run "licensecheck -c=* -r *" over it and only manually look at the stuff it doesn't recognise | 22:44 |
| Riddell | murthy: where is the tar? | 22:44 |
| yofel | Riddell: pull-ppa-source tomahawk/ppa quantal | 22:45 |
| yofel | Riddell: pull-ppa-source tomahawk/ppa tomahawk quantal | 22:45 |
| murthy | v0.6.0 | 22:45 |
| murthy | this is work in process and there are pending corrections http://paste.kde.org/682394/ | 22:46 |
| murthy | thats the copyright for tomohawk 0.6.0 | 22:46 |
| murthy | apachelogger: ^ | 22:46 |
| yofel | the hell | 22:47 |
| yofel | third_party/glog/compile: GPL (v2 or later) (with incorrect FSF address) GENERATED FILE | 22:47 |
| Riddell | murthy: no they don't | 22:48 |
| Riddell | yofel: that's got an autoconf exception | 22:48 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the fact that freedesktop standards exist | 22:49 |
| yofel | I was just surprised that licensecheck actually checks the FSF address o.O | 22:49 |
| murthy | Riddell: no need to add the exceptions? and totally sum as google's? | 22:49 |
| murthy | yofel: i am checking with the software and its very cool | 22:49 |
| * shadeslayer is hungry | 22:50 | |
| shadeslayer | yofel: fun | 22:50 |
| Riddell | murthy: yes | 22:50 |
| murthy | Riddell: omg, thank you | 22:50 |
| murthy | shadeslayer: breakfast? | 22:52 |
| shadeslayer | oh lol | 22:52 |
| shadeslayer | look at the time | 22:52 |
| shadeslayer | 4.22 AM | 22:52 |
| murthy | ya :) | 22:52 |
| shadeslayer | completely lost track of time tonight | 22:52 |
| * shadeslayer attributes that to House of Cards | 22:53 | |
| murthy | shadeslayer: I am not feeling even a little bit sleepy | 22:53 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 22:53 |
| murthy | apachelogger: expect attaching the licenses text, i think its complete http://paste.kde.org/682418/ | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | no | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | actually lintian should tell you | 23:20 |
| murthy | apachelogger: no i mean the syntax | 23:20 |
| murthy | apachelogger: overall appearance and grouping | 23:21 |
| murthy | apachelogger: are you ok with line 100 ? | 23:21 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: thanks :p | 23:23 |
| murthy | apachelogger: one small correction | 23:23 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: don't tell shadeslayer but you are my favorite Kubuntu packager, at least for this week :p | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | hooray | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | murthy: no | 23:24 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | License: GPL-2+ | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | not defined | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | License: LGPL-2 | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | not defined | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | License: LGPL-2.1 | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | not defined | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | .... | 23:24 |
| murthy | apachelogger: thats what i said in the previous comment, EXCEPT THAT | 23:25 |
| murthy | apachelogger: talk about the text formatting, i will come to the lintian checking part later | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | there's not much to look at :P | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | if it parses it's fine | 23:26 |
| murthy | apachelogger: line 100? | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | would be nice to have linebreaks | 23:26 |
| murthy | apachelogger: 80 chars ok? | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | if you can make stuff not exceed 80chars/line that is peferred | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | not a requirement though | 23:26 |
| murthy | apachelogger: ok | 23:27 |
| apachelogger | if a dep5 parser has problems with parsing a way too long line it probably has no business being a parser ^^ | 23:27 |
| murthy | apachelogger: doing a lintian check after dpkg-buildpackage -s gives warning about these things. example http://paste.ubuntu.com/5557229/ | 23:28 |
| murthy | apachelogger: and i was asked to remove those https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdlna/+bug/1129977 | 23:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1129977 in libdlna (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] libdlna" [Undecided,Fix released] | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-development | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | [kubuntu-dev] evaluate input methods ibus and fcitx and ensure they both work, decide which to ship: TODO | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | thoughts? | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | murthy: so? | 23:32 |
| murthy | apachelogger: text formatting is a step that has to be taken care | 23:33 |
| apachelogger | not in dep5 | 23:33 |
| murthy | apachelogger: unofficially | 23:35 |
| murthy | apachelogger: so shall i copy paste the license text from here http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/#license-field? | 23:37 |
| murthy | apachelogger: so shall i copy paste the license text from here http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/#license-field ? | 23:37 |
| murthy | apachelogger: give me reference for the license definition so that i can copy paste | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | murthy: inside the source you have a perfectly fine short license version to use :P | 23:41 |
| murthy | apachelogger: ok | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | then simply append the "On Debian systems, the full text of ...." aprt | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | *part | 23:41 |
| * apachelogger leaves for today | 23:42 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: \o/ | 23:45 |
| ScottK | jono: No. It's the end of UDS. When I'm at a UDS in person, I've taken off work and can focus. I'm in a session virtually every slot. There's no way that'll happen if I'm not there. I know from how much I've participated when I'm not there before. I doubt I'm at all atypical. | 23:47 |
| ScottK | Plus every three month makes zero sense. | 23:47 |
| ScottK | That is until Canonical announces it's changed the release cycle too, so I'll wait for that one. | 23:47 |
| murthy | brb | 23:55 |
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