[04:51] someone make me finish the plymouth scripty this week plz === fenris_ is now known as Guest9260 [05:50] yofel: Sad news: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132351010/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armhf.kdepim_4%3A4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === jono is now known as Guest76484 [07:10] good morning [08:10] ScottK: I don't know moc well enough to understand what the problem is... [09:34] Riddell: do you have a tool to check pep8 conformance? [09:35] agateau: it gets run during package build of ubiquity [09:35] test/run-pep8 I think [09:36] Riddell: ok [09:58] Riddell: just pushed pep8 fixes [09:59] Riddell: one things worries me though: I can't test the slideshow. The installer crashes before it reaches this step (same thing happens on trunk). Any clue? [09:59] agateau: um nope, that's worrying [10:00] I'll try it on a virtual machine in a bit [10:00] Riddell: I test it by running "ubiquity -d kde_ui" by hand, not through the install iso. Not sure if it matters [10:01] hello all [10:06] agateau: we are not talking about "testing ubiquity" we are talking about running the unit tests =) / check target. [10:07] xnox: ? [10:07] agateau: ./tests/run-pep8 ./tests/run-pyflakes [10:07] xnox: yes, I fixed those. I am talking about a different issue. [10:07] yes..... [10:08] now that I catch up on backscroll =) sorry [10:08] there is automated ./tests/run as well, but i'm not sure it exercises Qt frontend or not. [10:09] interesting, I'll give it a try [10:16] hi vassie [10:21] Riddell: hello [10:21] Riddell: who do i thank for the help with cantata? [10:21] vassie: oh I think that was a team effort, but you should still test it to ensure it's working [10:22] Riddell: will do, if i can stay away, very jetlagged [10:22] Riddell: ^awake [10:25] Riddell: or apachelogger: Could you please help yofel and me with: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132351010/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armhf.kdepim_4%3A4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:32] "./templatedlg.moc:97:11: error: 'KDialoh' has not been declared" mm is that moc making a typo for KDialog? [10:32] ScottK: have you tried recreating it on your arm machines? [10:56] Riddell: No. [10:56] And I'll be offline all day. [10:56] Maybe hit retry first and see if that solves it. I didn't so someone could see the logs. === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk [11:22] hmm, how did the Ambiance theme using in Qt4 work? in Qt5 it seems no theme information is used anymore [11:23] the most up-to-date information I can find is in http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/10/30/cleaning-up-styles-in-qt5-and-adding-fusion/ and its comments, but mostly it'd seem gtkstyle is now just integrated and I don't know what more should be done [11:24] I initially thought we had some related patch in Qt4, but it seems there are no more patches that wouldn't have been upstreamed regarding themes === shivang_ is now known as shivang [12:14] * Mirv found some missing dependencies [12:15] and that system icon support is not yet implemented https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,45291 [12:15] (and that qtconfig building is currently disabled) [12:19] Mirv: I've added your queries to my todo queue for the day :) [12:20] :) I'm trying another build now [12:23] hello world :D [12:46] Hey all === mck182|afk is now known as mck182 === mkv is now known as m4v [13:30] ScottK: makes no sense [13:36] now the log's gone :P [13:37] apachelogger: I hit rebuild [13:37] awww [13:37] got the log still in cache or something? [13:38] ye [13:38] please pasty somewhere [13:39] apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/ [13:41] * apachelogger thinks the router here will soon explode [13:41] having tedious connection drops all day [13:42] http://paste.kde.org/681860/ [13:42] that's what I moc on quantal [13:42] apachelogger: no mention of KDialoh [13:43] maybe moc really did make a typo [13:43] ^^ [13:43] well [13:43] KDialoh appears to be a result [13:44] _ckname should be _clname [13:45] maybe moc was having a bad day and spilled coke on its keyboard [13:45] and that's internal [13:45] quite possible ^^ [13:45] 7 seconds lag [13:45] * apachelogger doesn't get it -.- [13:47] Riddell, ScottK, yofel: theory of the day: weird hiccups in moc on armhf [13:47] god knows why [13:47] agreed [13:57] Morning [13:58] howdy leader in training [13:58] :D [13:58] Taking a break after hour 3 lol [13:58] I hate wintery mix weather [13:59] Rain, freezing rain, snow and more freezing rain. [13:59] yeah , we have the same [14:00] Where you located BluesKaj? [14:01] I'm a place callled , Sudbury Ontario, Canada , an you Darkwing ? [14:01] near [14:02] Fort Wayne, Indiana... I'm about an hour south of Michigan and 25 minutes west of Ohio... [14:02] w' live close to one of the great lakes , Lake Huron/Georgian Bay [14:03] Darkwing, yes, I've driven thru your area , but it was a while back [14:03] Not too far [14:03] I just moved here in last August. [14:03] I used to be in San Diego lol [14:04] ,big diff there :) [14:04] Also a HUGE difference in cost of living [14:05] really ? [14:06] Much cheaper here [14:06] In San Diego, I had a medium 2 bed apartment that was 2400USD a month. Here I have a larger house for 600USD a month. [14:11] nice , that is cheap , a std 3 bedroom bungalow here goes for 900 minimum plus utilities and heating bills can average 400-500/mos in winter [14:11] well ,this winter anyway [14:12] been damn cold [14:12] \o [14:12] I have 3 bed here... The heat is a bit more. Plus it does get warm here in summer too. [14:12] It hasn't been too cold this year. [14:13] I have a crapton of snow here, want some Darkwing? [14:13] We had a couple weeks where it was -15C [14:13] We are supposed to get about 10cm in the next 24 hours Quintasan [14:14] >10cm [14:14] well [14:14] I can send you 50cm of snow if you want :P [14:14] riiiiiiiiiiiiight away [14:14] LOL [14:15] * yofel watches the 2cm snow outside [14:15] it's snowing right now, but +1°C [14:16] we're running out of space to put the snow, the snow banks here are beginning to melt but not fast enough [14:17] lol yay for ice. [14:18] heck [14:18] I can even send you a snowman [14:18] wait [14:18] why the hell am I here where I should be making a snowman? [14:18] When my kids were here over christmas, we made a very very short snowman. [14:20] https://plus.google.com/photos/112229419791678868031/albums/5826691504033031393?authkey=CNnEko7m5O-3Kg [14:20] last yr at this time we had just a little snow left , and by mar 3rd it was gone. I recall marking it on the calendar. [14:20] Darkwing: Say anything you want but I'm almost 20 and I'm not passing a chance to make an xbox huge snowman and then flykicking it :P [14:21] Quintasan: I just turned 30 and that sounds like wayyyyy too much fun :D [14:21] >too much fun [14:21] there is not such a thing as "too much fun" [14:22] * Quintasan doesn't believe in that [14:22] It's a US phrase meaning let's do it. [14:22] oh [14:22] go on [14:22] do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet [14:22] :D [14:23] hell [14:23] I should be going to uni soon [14:23] I didn't go to lectures in the morning [14:23] according to my roomate, I woke about, took medicine [14:24] turned off the alarm [14:24] My classes are online. :D A get to go to a good school with all online classes. [14:24] and went back to bed [14:24] s/A/I/ [14:24] Darkwing meant: "My classes are online. :D I get to go to a good school with all online classes." [14:25] I woke up like 1 hour ago [14:25] strange [14:26] LUNCHPAD Y U RUIN MY PERFECTLY READ INBOX [14:30] I quit launchpad notices , pita with constant dupes [14:36] I dump it all in a folder with a serverside sort [14:39] dunno how to do that [14:39] I have cpanel and use IMAP [14:39] Darkwing: I do CTRL+A CTRL+R [14:39] WORKS EVERY TIME [14:39] wait [14:39] oops [14:39] lol [14:39] * Quintasan hides [14:40] that's how I read mailing lists too [14:46] * yofel uses quite a bit of serverside filtering - except for mails related to debian, those put their origin information into fields I can't use on server side and need client sorting [14:46] well, what I did works , and I don't have to deal with unwanted emails at all , and I can't use kmail so my settings on t-bird are auto , including imap [14:48] wow , blue sky and sunshine , finally after 3 days of dreariness [14:48] kmail and pgp is annoying [14:48] gpg rather [14:49] kmail segfaults after a few days here [14:49] I'm on the LTS and it's still annoying [14:49] I wish GMail could be used as a IMAP client [14:49] works reasonably well here in 4.10, finally [14:49] so I haven't bothered retrying it ...no need for a server running a database here either , I'm just a home user [14:50] server=akonadi [14:53] it works reasonably fast these days. Someone just choose to use SQL instead of a plaintext database to make the data easier to share between applications. [15:12] So, this is the worst in design I have seen ever from ASUS... Worst. Font Ever. http://imm.io/Xt4D [15:13] Yes, it's in Windows [15:18] wat [15:18] I can picture a middle-aged manager looking over the engineer's shoulder telling him to use that font [15:19] that's the enterprise version of the installer [15:19] someone accidentally used it for a public package [15:36] \o [15:39] Riddell: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-windowedhz5759 <= current state of ubiquity refresh (powered by sheytan background texture) [15:40] Looks good to me agateau :) [15:40] lordievader: thanks! [15:40] nice [15:40] but I see I should take some inspiration from this awesome asus installer shared by Darkwing instead [15:41] sigh [15:41] I kept thinking why my mouse doesn't move [15:41] :D [15:41] Oh yeah! Definitely go with that font! [15:41] shadeslayer: that's what happen when I clumsily take screenshots from a VM [15:41] shadeslayer: you turned it off? ^^ [15:41] oh, lol [15:42] yofel: heh, no, the image had a mouse and my actual mouse was at the bottom of the screen [15:42] owned by screenshot! [15:42] haven't recovered from the weekend clearly [15:42] :) [15:53] hm, ubuntu getting voice recognition [15:53] nice [16:02] agateau: ooh la la [16:03] shadeslayer: time for a blog to say we already have simon? [16:06] shadeslayer: where did you get to with ubiquity wifi and camera support? [16:06] camera support is somewhat there, I need to fix it up according to apachelogger's recommendations [16:07] I don't think I can do wifi support this cycle [16:07] okay dokay [16:09] UDS registrations still not up? [16:31] shadeslayer: seems not [16:34] k [16:39] Riddell: they removed the info regarding where it'll be held [16:39] how weird [16:39] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8ncz8ULJCz0J:uds.ubuntu.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk vs http://uds.ubuntu.com/ [16:39] shadeslayer: ah well maybe it's not in oakland then [16:39] heh [16:40] wow, something weird is happening here [16:41] ScottK, yofel, apachelogger: kdepim got further this time, now at 60% was at 19% when moc made its typo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4327276 [16:42] * shadeslayer might buy a Nexus 10 soonish [16:42] shadeslayer: why? [16:42] Riddell: PA3 stuff [16:43] shadeslayer: but why a 10 and not a 7? [16:43] because it has a better screen? [16:43] "ooh shiny" :) [16:44] heh :) [16:44] shadeslayer: mind that it's different hardware so there's no guarantee any part of ubuntu would work on the 10 [16:44] errr [16:44] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [16:44] ok I'm wrong [16:44] I'm also trying to port it to my HTC One X [16:45] unfortunately, no plasma interface for phones [16:45] Riddell: infact it works better on the 10 than it does on the 7 :) [16:45] oh [16:45] davmor2: how so? [16:45] more powerful hardware? [16:46] I just have to figure out logistics [16:47] shadeslayer: cameras, sound and media all work on the 10 but not the 7, for touch rather than kubuntu the 7 doesn't have user login/switch or the sideshow so far amongst other things [16:47] oh [16:50] shadeslayer: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes [16:50] * shadeslayer wants PA3 to work perfectly on atleast 1 device [16:51] camera ... oooh [17:14] Riddell: btw Kubuntu Raring doesn't boot on secure boot machines [17:14] I tried it at DA IICT one someone's laptop [17:14] s/one/on [17:14] hum [17:14] I've been getting unclear results with this vaio [17:15] it doesn't work with 12.04.1 but it does with quantal and 12.04.2 [17:15] I suspect not all secure boot machines are created equal [17:17] * Riddell spots https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/uds-project/virtual-changes/+merge/150620 === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [17:24] Virtual UDS? 0.o [17:34] shadeslayer: wibble [17:34] ? [17:34] meaning i'm worried and upset by the idea at UDS might be virtual [17:35] ah [17:35] yeah [17:38] Riddell, why upset and worried? [17:42] jono: was looking forward to a nice UDS in oakland again [17:42] will be a shame to only do the video thing [17:43] not to mention I have shitty internet and cannot do video streaming :( [17:43] Riddell, I agree that face to face time is always great, but there are some limitations in UDS [17:43] it is not as transparent as it could be [17:44] for those who don't attend in person [17:44] we want to help fix that [17:44] and have a more accountable record of the event instead of a handful of sessions videoed [17:44] jono: so this UDS will be completely done online? [17:44] shadeslayer, yep [17:44] about to announce the changes [17:44] overall this should be better for wider participation in the event [17:45] bleh, I'll need to get better internets then [17:45] I will ping the blog when it goes online, just waiting for a few final changes [17:51] well, at least I don't have to worry about applying then I guess [17:51] * Riddell watches http://www.mobileworldlive.com/mobile-world-live-tv-live-stream [17:51] jono: what's the planned timezone for the session times? [17:51] yofel, UTC [17:51] thanks [17:52] but we picked a set of times that works as best as possible for Europe and America [18:03] Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/26/ubuntu-developer-summits-now-online-and-every-three-months/ [18:03] thx [18:03] 3 months? as a kind of milestone discussion? [18:04] * yofel actually reads the page [18:06] mm.. next week [18:06] yeah [18:07] good thing we're not got anything scheduled for next week, like feature freeze for example, cos that would be crazy to make those clash [18:07] wow [18:08] lol [18:08] but yeah, great timing :/ === murthy_ is now known as murthy [18:09] hello everyone [18:09] hi [18:12] Riddell, well, given the fact there wasn't an event scheduled for next week originally, you can always just schedule for the May UDS [18:12] Riddell, then you don't lose anything [18:12] but next week is available for those who do want to utilize it [18:21] yofel: hi [18:24] yofel: i have a copyright with hybrid licence. here is the copyright text . http://paste.kde.org/682100/ From this link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:BSD?rd=Licensing/BSD i can identify it as Hybrid BSD . What will be the keywork to be used in debian/copyright for this one? [18:27] * yofel passes that to apachelogger [18:28] apachelogger: ^ [18:34] murthy: "If there are licenses present in the package without a standard short name, an arbitrary short name may be assigned for these licenses." so calling it 'Hybrid BSD' would be ok [18:35] yofel: will the standards accept it? [18:36] that's from the dep5 documentation [18:36] yofel: can you point it out for me>? [18:36] so unless I understand it wrong, if dep5 doesn't define a name for a license, you may call it like you wish [18:37] I agree with yofel's understanding [18:37] murthy: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#license-field [18:37] reading [18:39] yofel: you are right, so shall i use "BSD-Hybrid" ? [18:41] yeah [18:41] Gotta go. See you soon. ;) [18:57] What should i do if there is no years of work is mentioned in a copyright ? [18:59] murthy: just leave it without then [18:59] ok [19:23] o/ [19:24] Riddell: so is it yet possible to disclose the state of our finance? [19:28] yofel: earlier you mentioned a file with dual license, i am on it right now, so what will be the license filed ? [19:31] murthy, yofel: that reads like a 3clause bsd... [19:31] what's hybrid about it? [19:31] apachelogger: clause 2 is removed [19:32] apachelogger: also check this out [19:32] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/682226/ [19:32] the thing you posted has 3 clauses [19:32] the formulation his half bsd half zlib [19:33] wait [19:33] apachelogger: ya [19:33] yofel: no [19:33] says exactly what the 3 cluase bsd says [19:33] alas, it probably does not use the same wording [19:33] yofel: one i posted now has apple and bsd 3 clause [19:34] murthy: what was the original one again? [19:34] bsd... [19:34] let me check it again [19:34] anyway to install kscreen in 12.10? [19:34] darwin's derived from bsd [19:34] last time I asked you said it's not ready :P [19:37] afiestas: looking into a backport later [19:40] apachelogger: as you said this http://paste.kde.org/682100/ is using bsd clause 3 with changed wording [19:41] apachelogger: what about this file with a dual license apple and bsd 3 http://paste.kde.org/682226/ [19:42] apachelogger: what will the license field contain ? [19:42] 3 clause bsd [19:42] apachelogger: apple? [19:42] jussi: on the public document? [19:42] murthy: http://paste.kde.org/682100/ is plain bsd-3 [19:42] jussi: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AosntDLfgW_kdFQzWmZjTkt5X1lWQ3FFdXB3QkpTZ3c#gid=0 [19:43] jussi: needs some tidying to separate KDE GB and Kubuntu accounts [19:43] yofel: ya [19:43] murthy: the other one is apsl-2.0 and bsd-4 [19:43] yofel: so should i list them one below the other in the license field ? [19:44] Riddell: ahh, excellent, thanks [19:48] murthy: well, as they are 2 licenses you can make a block for each one with the proper name. The license for the file would be apsl-2.0 and bsd-4-clause then [19:50] yofel: so apsl-2.0 is a proper keyword right? [19:50] Mirv: what about this one http://paste.kde.org/682238/ ? [19:51] oops [19:51] Mirv: nm [19:51] yofel: ^ [19:54] license keys are self-defining [19:54] it's why one needs to add the short version of the license [19:55] apachelogger: so i can just put bsd? [19:56] murthy: if http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#license-specification specifies a name, you should use it [19:56] otherwise use what you want - as long as you're consistent in the file [19:57] apachelogger: in this case its a bsd with just one point from cluase 4 so i can put BSD-4-Hybrid ? [19:57] yofel: ^ [19:58] yofel: i can understand the point, but i need to know if there any restrictions in using a custom string? [19:59] yofel: previously i was not aware of the fact that it is necessary to limit the column width of a debian changelog to 80 chars [20:01] murthy: unless dep5 says so, no [20:01] and IIRC it does not [20:01] yofel: ok [20:02] murthy: whate are you talking about? [20:02] apachelogger: the license field string specs [20:03] there's still no such thing as a bsd-4-hybrid [20:03] can there be a blank line in a copyright text or it should be replaced with a period ? [20:04] apachelogger: ya thats a custom one [20:04] where? [20:04] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/682238/ [20:05] how is that anything-4 with 1 clause Oo [20:06] apachelogger: that point is taken from bsd's 4 th clause [20:06] so? [20:07] that is a bsd 1-clause license [20:07] apachelogger: donbt we have to match the keyword template? [20:07] apachelogger: *don't [20:07] see what I wrote earlier [20:08] it still has nothing to do with 4-clause [20:08] apachelogger: i mean 4th clause [20:08] http://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-2-Clause [20:08] closest relative [20:08] murthy: it's simply a bst-style license [20:08] *bsd-style [20:09] apachelogger: "* Neither the name of the organization nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission." [20:09] apachelogger: thats the 4th clause of the bsd [20:09] it's still bsd-style [20:10] murthy: 4-clause relates to the number of clauses, not which one [20:10] bsd is pretty loose on the wording anyway [20:11] yofel: when people see the keyword they will know that the 4th clause is used in the license so thats why the number 4 [20:12] it has nothing to do with bsd-4-clause [20:12] it is a bsd-style license [20:12] end of story [20:12] anyway i will use bsd-style [20:13] yofel: ok [20:34] jussi: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AosntDLfgW_kdFQzWmZjTkt5X1lWQ3FFdXB3QkpTZ3c#gid=0 updated, £7744.99 in the kubuntu fund [20:35] oh no, a bit more [20:35] * Riddell fixes [20:36] £7772 [20:57] yofel, ScottK: kdepim compiled on armhf in quantal-proposed [20:58] any recommendations on how to update the poppler symbols? [20:59] yay [20:59] shadeslayer: what do you mean? [20:59] for some reasons it has foo.symbols.in and then debian/rules does some sed magic [20:59] s/reasons/reason [20:59] fun [20:59] debian/%.symbols: debian/%.symbols.in [20:59] cat $^ | sed -e 's/#CURVER#/$(UPSTREAM_VERSION)/g' > $@ [21:01] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/poppler_0.22.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc [21:01] if you're interested [21:01] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/4328955 and https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/4328956 [21:19] shadeslayer: found out how to do it? [21:19] errr no [21:19] I tried a couple of ways [21:19] with C you can IIRC just apply the patch [21:20] but you'll have the sed the version [21:20] but then there's i386 and amd64 [21:20] s/the/to/ [21:20] yofel meant: "but you'll have to sed the version" [21:29] shadeslayer: is there anything arch specific there? [21:29] the glib8 stuff seems the same, the qt4 stuff, not so much [21:36] I *think* it's fine from how I understand the subst stuff in pkgkde-symbolshelper [21:36] worst case, poke pino [21:37] * apachelogger so tired :( [21:42] * shadeslayer is still looking into it [21:47] Now I'm sad [21:48] Online UDS.... [21:48] Not very happy about this. [21:48] we need to get you to Akademy somehow [21:48] Unless it changes date I can't. [21:48] :( [21:48] I have my kids during the summer months. [21:49] I don't get them very often... I get them first week of June and have them through August. [21:49]