[04:51] <apachelogger> someone make me finish the plymouth scripty this week plz
[05:50] <ScottK> yofel: Sad news: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132351010/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armhf.kdepim_4%3A4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:10] <soee> good morning
[08:10] <yofel> ScottK: I don't know moc well enough to understand what the problem is...
[09:34] <agateau> Riddell: do you have a tool to check pep8 conformance?
[09:35] <Riddell> agateau: it gets run during package build of ubiquity
[09:35] <Riddell> test/run-pep8 I think
[09:36] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[09:58] <agateau> Riddell: just pushed pep8 fixes
[09:59] <agateau> Riddell: one things worries me though: I can't test the slideshow. The installer crashes before it reaches this step (same thing happens on trunk). Any clue?
[09:59] <Riddell> agateau: um nope, that's worrying
[10:00] <Riddell> I'll try it on a virtual machine in a bit
[10:00] <agateau> Riddell: I test it by running "ubiquity -d kde_ui" by hand, not through the install iso. Not sure if it matters
[10:01] <vassie> hello all
[10:06] <xnox> agateau: we are not talking about "testing ubiquity" we are talking about running the unit tests =) / check target.
[10:07] <agateau> xnox: ?
[10:07] <xnox> agateau: ./tests/run-pep8 ./tests/run-pyflakes
[10:07] <agateau> xnox: yes, I fixed those. I am talking about a different issue.
[10:07] <xnox> yes.....
[10:08] <xnox> now that I catch up on backscroll =) sorry
[10:08] <xnox> there is automated ./tests/run as well, but i'm not sure it exercises Qt frontend or not.
[10:09] <agateau> interesting, I'll give it a try
[10:16] <Riddell> hi vassie 
[10:21] <vassie> Riddell: hello
[10:21] <vassie> Riddell: who do i thank for the help with cantata?
[10:21] <Riddell> vassie: oh I think that was a team effort, but you should still test it to ensure it's working
[10:22] <vassie> Riddell: will do, if i can stay away, very jetlagged
[10:22] <vassie> Riddell: ^awake
[10:25] <ScottK> Riddell:  or apachelogger: Could you please help yofel and me with: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132351010/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armhf.kdepim_4%3A4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:32] <Riddell> "./templatedlg.moc:97:11: error: 'KDialoh' has not been declared"  mm is that moc making a typo for KDialog?
[10:32] <Riddell> ScottK: have you tried recreating it on your arm machines?
[10:56] <ScottK> Riddell: No.
[10:56] <ScottK> And I'll be offline all day.
[10:56] <ScottK> Maybe hit retry first and see if that solves it.  I didn't so someone could see the logs.
[11:22] <Mirv> hmm, how did the Ambiance theme using in Qt4 work? in Qt5 it seems no theme information is used anymore
[11:23] <Mirv> the most up-to-date information I can find is in http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/10/30/cleaning-up-styles-in-qt5-and-adding-fusion/ and its comments, but mostly it'd seem gtkstyle is now just integrated and I don't know what more should be done
[11:24] <Mirv> I initially thought we had some related patch in Qt4, but it seems there are no more patches that wouldn't have been upstreamed regarding themes
[12:14]  * Mirv found some missing dependencies
[12:15] <Mirv> and that system icon support is not yet implemented https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,45291
[12:15] <Mirv> (and that qtconfig building is currently disabled)
[12:19] <Riddell> Mirv: I've added your queries to my todo queue for the day :)
[12:20] <Mirv> :) I'm trying another build now
[12:23] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: makes no sense
[13:36] <apachelogger> now the log's gone :P
[13:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: I hit rebuild
[13:37] <apachelogger> awww
[13:37] <apachelogger> got the log still in cache or something?
[13:38] <Riddell> ye
[13:38] <apachelogger> please pasty somewhere
[13:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/
[13:41]  * apachelogger thinks the router here will soon explode
[13:41] <apachelogger> having tedious connection drops all day
[13:42] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/681860/
[13:42] <apachelogger> that's what I moc on quantal
[13:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: no mention of KDialoh
[13:43] <Riddell> maybe moc really did make a typo
[13:43] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:43] <apachelogger> well
[13:43] <apachelogger> KDialoh appears to be a result
[13:44] <apachelogger> _ckname should be _clname
[13:45] <Riddell> maybe moc was having a bad day and spilled coke on its keyboard
[13:45] <apachelogger> and that's internal
[13:45] <apachelogger> quite possible ^^
[13:45] <apachelogger> 7 seconds lag
[13:45]  * apachelogger doesn't get it -.-
[13:47] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK, yofel: theory of the day: weird hiccups in moc on armhf
[13:47] <apachelogger> god knows why
[13:47] <yofel> agreed
[13:57] <Darkwing> Morning
[13:58] <Riddell> howdy leader in training
[13:58] <Darkwing> :D
[13:58] <Darkwing> Taking a break after hour 3 lol
[13:58] <Darkwing> I hate wintery mix weather
[13:59] <Darkwing> Rain, freezing rain, snow and more freezing rain.
[13:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , we have the same 
[14:00] <Darkwing> Where you located BluesKaj?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> I'm a place callled , Sudbury Ontario, Canada , an you Darkwing ?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> near
[14:02] <Darkwing> Fort Wayne, Indiana... I'm about an hour south of Michigan and 25 minutes west of Ohio...
[14:02] <BluesKaj> w' live close to one of the great lakes , Lake Huron/Georgian Bay
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Darkwing, yes, I've driven thru your area , but it was a while back 
[14:03] <Darkwing> Not too far
[14:03] <Darkwing> I just moved here in last August. 
[14:03] <Darkwing> I used to be in San Diego lol
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ,big diff there :)
[14:04] <Darkwing> Also a HUGE difference in cost of living
[14:05] <BluesKaj> really ?  
[14:06] <Darkwing> Much cheaper here 
[14:06] <Darkwing> In San Diego, I had a medium 2 bed apartment that was 2400USD a month. Here I have a larger house for 600USD a month.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> nice , that is cheap , a std 3 bedroom bungalow here goes for 900 minimum plus utilities  and heating bills can average 400-500/mos in winter
[14:11] <BluesKaj> well ,this winter anyway 
[14:12] <BluesKaj> been damn cold 
[14:12] <Quintasan> \o
[14:12] <Darkwing> I have 3 bed here... The heat is a bit more. Plus it does get warm here in summer too.
[14:12] <Darkwing> It hasn't been too cold this year.
[14:13] <Quintasan> I have a crapton of snow here, want some Darkwing?
[14:13] <Darkwing> We had a couple weeks where it was -15C
[14:13] <Darkwing> We are supposed to get about 10cm in the next 24 hours Quintasan
[14:14] <Quintasan> >10cm
[14:14] <Quintasan> well
[14:14] <Quintasan> I can send you 50cm of snow if you want :P
[14:14] <Quintasan> riiiiiiiiiiiiight away
[14:14] <Darkwing> LOL
[14:15]  * yofel watches the 2cm snow outside
[14:15] <yofel> it's snowing right now, but +1°C
[14:16] <BluesKaj> we're running out of space to put the snow, the snow banks here are beginning to melt but not fast enough
[14:17] <Darkwing> lol yay for ice.
[14:18] <Quintasan> heck
[14:18] <Quintasan> I can even send you a snowman
[14:18] <Quintasan> wait
[14:18] <Quintasan> why the hell am I here where I should be making a snowman?
[14:18] <Darkwing> When my kids were here over christmas, we made a very very short snowman.
[14:20] <Darkwing> https://plus.google.com/photos/112229419791678868031/albums/5826691504033031393?authkey=CNnEko7m5O-3Kg
[14:20] <BluesKaj> last yr at this time we had just a little snow left , and by mar 3rd it was gone. I recall marking it on the calendar.
[14:20] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Say anything you want but I'm almost 20 and I'm not passing a chance to make an xbox huge snowman and then flykicking it :P
[14:21] <Darkwing> Quintasan: I just turned 30 and that sounds like wayyyyy too much fun :D
[14:21] <Quintasan> >too much fun
[14:21] <Quintasan> there is not such a thing as "too much fun"
[14:22]  * Quintasan doesn't believe in that
[14:22] <Darkwing> It's a US phrase meaning let's do it.
[14:22] <Quintasan> oh
[14:22] <Quintasan> go on
[14:22] <Quintasan> do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[14:22] <Darkwing> :D
[14:23] <Quintasan> hell
[14:23] <Quintasan> I should be going to uni soon
[14:23] <Quintasan> I didn't go to lectures in the morning
[14:23] <Quintasan> according to my roomate, I woke about, took medicine
[14:24] <Quintasan> turned off the alarm
[14:24] <Darkwing> My classes are online. :D A get to go to a good school with all online classes.
[14:24] <Quintasan> and went back to bed
[14:24] <Darkwing> s/A/I/
[14:24] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "My classes are online. :D I get to go to a good school with all online classes."
[14:25] <Quintasan> I woke up like 1 hour ago
[14:25] <Quintasan> strange
[14:26] <Quintasan> LUNCHPAD Y U RUIN MY PERFECTLY READ INBOX
[14:30] <BluesKaj> I quit launchpad notices , pita with constant dupes 
[14:36] <Darkwing> I dump it all in a folder with a serverside sort
[14:39] <BluesKaj> dunno how to do that 
[14:39] <Darkwing> I have cpanel and use IMAP
[14:39] <Quintasan> Darkwing: I do CTRL+A CTRL+R
[14:39] <Quintasan> WORKS EVERY TIME
[14:39] <Quintasan> wait
[14:39] <Quintasan> oops
[14:39] <Darkwing> lol
[14:39]  * Quintasan hides
[14:40] <Quintasan> that's how I read mailing lists too
[14:46]  * yofel uses quite a bit of serverside filtering - except for mails related to debian, those put their origin information into fields I can't use on server side and need client sorting
[14:46] <BluesKaj> well, what I did works , and I don't have to deal with unwanted emails at all , and I can't use kmail so my settings on t-bird are auto , including imap 
[14:48] <BluesKaj> wow , blue sky and sunshine , finally after 3 days of dreariness
[14:48] <Darkwing> kmail and pgp is annoying
[14:48] <Darkwing> gpg rather
[14:49] <BluesKaj> kmail segfaults after a few days here
[14:49] <Darkwing> I'm on the LTS and it's still annoying
[14:49] <Darkwing> I wish GMail could be used as a IMAP client
[14:49] <yofel> works reasonably well here in 4.10, finally
[14:49] <BluesKaj> so I haven't bothered retrying it ...no need for a server running a database here either , I'm just a home user
[14:50] <BluesKaj> server=akonadi 
[14:53] <yofel> it works reasonably fast these days. Someone just choose to use SQL instead of a plaintext database to make the data easier to share between applications.
[15:12] <Darkwing> So, this is the worst in design I have seen ever from ASUS... Worst. Font Ever. http://imm.io/Xt4D
[15:13] <Darkwing> Yes, it's in Windows
[15:18] <Quintasan> wat
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> I can picture a middle-aged manager looking over the engineer's shoulder telling him to use that font
[15:19] <yofel> that's the enterprise version of the installer
[15:19] <yofel> someone accidentally used it for a public package
[15:36] <shadeslayer> \o
[15:39] <agateau> Riddell: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-windowedhz5759 <= current state of ubiquity refresh (powered by sheytan background texture)
[15:40] <lordievader> Looks good to me agateau :)
[15:40] <agateau> lordievader: thanks!
[15:40] <yofel> nice
[15:40] <agateau> but I see I should take some inspiration from this awesome asus installer shared by Darkwing instead
[15:41] <shadeslayer> sigh
[15:41] <shadeslayer> I kept thinking why my mouse doesn't move
[15:41] <agateau> :D
[15:41] <lordievader> Oh yeah! Definitely go with that font!
[15:41] <agateau> shadeslayer: that's what happen when I clumsily take screenshots from a VM
[15:41] <yofel> shadeslayer: you turned it off? ^^
[15:41] <yofel> oh, lol
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: heh, no, the image had a mouse and my actual mouse was at the bottom of the screen
[15:42] <agateau> owned by screenshot!
[15:42] <shadeslayer> haven't recovered from the weekend clearly
[15:42] <agateau> :)
[15:53] <shadeslayer> hm, ubuntu getting voice recognition
[15:53] <shadeslayer> nice
[16:02] <Riddell> agateau: ooh la la
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: time for a blog to say we already have simon?
[16:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where did you get to with ubiquity wifi and camera support?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> camera support is somewhat there, I need to fix it up according to apachelogger's recommendations
[16:07] <shadeslayer> I don't think I can do wifi support this cycle
[16:07] <Riddell> okay dokay
[16:09] <shadeslayer> UDS registrations still not up? 
[16:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems not
[16:34] <shadeslayer> k
[16:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: they removed the info regarding where it'll be held
[16:39] <shadeslayer> how weird
[16:39] <shadeslayer> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8ncz8ULJCz0J:uds.ubuntu.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk vs http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah well maybe it's not in oakland then
[16:39] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:40] <agateau> wow, something weird is happening here
[16:41] <Riddell> ScottK, yofel, apachelogger: kdepim got further this time, now at 60% was at 19% when moc made its typo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.9.5-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4327276
[16:42]  * shadeslayer might buy a Nexus 10 soonish
[16:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: PA3 stuff 
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but why a 10 and not a 7?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> because it has a better screen?
[16:43] <Riddell> "ooh shiny" :)
[16:44] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[16:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mind that it's different hardware so there's no guarantee any part of ubuntu would work on the 10
[16:44] <shadeslayer> errr
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:44] <Riddell> ok I'm wrong
[16:44] <shadeslayer> I'm also trying to port it to my HTC One X
[16:45] <shadeslayer> unfortunately, no plasma interface for phones
[16:45] <davmor2> Riddell: infact it works better on the 10 than it does on the 7 :)
[16:45] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:45] <shadeslayer> davmor2: how so?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> more powerful hardware?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> I just have to figure out logistics
[16:47] <davmor2> shadeslayer: cameras, sound and media all work on the 10 but not the 7, for touch rather than kubuntu the 7 doesn't have user login/switch or the sideshow so far amongst other things
[16:47] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:50] <davmor2> shadeslayer: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[16:50]  * shadeslayer wants PA3 to work perfectly on atleast 1 device
[16:51] <shadeslayer> camera ... oooh
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw Kubuntu Raring doesn't boot on secure boot machines
[17:14] <shadeslayer> I tried it at DA IICT one someone's laptop
[17:14] <shadeslayer> s/one/on
[17:14] <Riddell> hum
[17:14] <Riddell> I've been getting unclear results with this vaio
[17:15] <Riddell> it doesn't work with 12.04.1 but it does with quantal and 12.04.2
[17:15] <Riddell> I suspect not all secure boot machines are created equal
[17:17]  * Riddell spots https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/uds-project/virtual-changes/+merge/150620
[17:24] <shadeslayer> Virtual UDS? 0.o
[17:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: wibble
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:34] <Riddell> meaning i'm worried and upset by the idea at UDS might be virtual
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:38] <jono> Riddell, why upset and worried?
[17:42] <Riddell> jono: was looking forward to a nice UDS in oakland again
[17:42] <Riddell> will be a shame to only do the video thing
[17:43] <shadeslayer> not to mention I have shitty internet and cannot do video streaming :(
[17:43] <jono> Riddell, I agree that face to face time is always great, but there are some limitations in UDS
[17:43] <jono> it is not as transparent as it could be
[17:44] <jono> for those who don't attend in person
[17:44] <jono> we want to help fix that
[17:44] <jono> and have a more accountable record of the event instead of a handful of sessions videoed
[17:44] <shadeslayer> jono: so this UDS will be completely done online?
[17:44] <jono> shadeslayer, yep
[17:44] <jono> about to announce the changes
[17:44] <jono> overall this should be better for wider participation in the event
[17:45] <shadeslayer> bleh, I'll need to get better internets then
[17:45] <jono> I will ping the blog when it goes online, just waiting for a few final changes
[17:51] <yofel> well, at least I don't have to worry about applying then I guess
[17:51]  * Riddell watches http://www.mobileworldlive.com/mobile-world-live-tv-live-stream
[17:51] <yofel> jono: what's the planned timezone for the session times?
[17:51] <jono> yofel, UTC
[17:51] <yofel> thanks
[17:52] <jono> but we picked a set of times that works as best as possible for Europe and America
[18:03] <jono> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/26/ubuntu-developer-summits-now-online-and-every-three-months/
[18:03] <shadeslayer> thx
[18:03] <yofel> 3 months? as a kind of milestone discussion?
[18:04]  * yofel actually reads the page
[18:06] <Riddell> mm.. next week
[18:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:07] <Riddell> good thing we're not got anything scheduled for next week, like feature freeze for example, cos that would be crazy to make those clash
[18:07] <jjesse> wow
[18:08] <yofel> lol
[18:08] <yofel> but yeah, great timing :/
[18:09] <murthy> hello everyone
[18:09] <yofel> hi
[18:12] <jono> Riddell, well, given the fact there wasn't an event scheduled for next week originally, you can always just schedule for the May UDS
[18:12] <jono> Riddell, then you don't lose anything
[18:12] <jono> but next week is available for those who do want to utilize it
[18:21] <murthy> yofel: hi
[18:24] <murthy> yofel: i have a copyright with hybrid licence. here is the copyright text . http://paste.kde.org/682100/   From this link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:BSD?rd=Licensing/BSD i can identify it as Hybrid BSD . What will be the keywork to be used in debian/copyright for this one?
[18:27]  * yofel passes that to apachelogger
[18:28] <murthy> apachelogger: ^
[18:34] <yofel> murthy: "If there are licenses present in the package without a standard short name, an arbitrary short name may be assigned for these licenses." so calling it 'Hybrid BSD' would be ok
[18:35] <murthy> yofel: will the standards accept it?
[18:36] <yofel> that's from the dep5 documentation
[18:36] <murthy> yofel: can you point it out for me>?
[18:36] <yofel> so unless I understand it wrong, if dep5 doesn't define a name for a license, you may call it like you wish
[18:37] <Riddell> I agree with yofel's understanding
[18:37] <yofel> murthy: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#license-field
[18:37] <murthy> reading
[18:39] <murthy> yofel: you are right, so shall i use "BSD-Hybrid" ?
[18:41] <yofel> yeah
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> Gotta go. See you soon. ;)
[18:57] <murthy> What should i do if there is no years of work is mentioned in a copyright ?
[18:59] <Riddell> murthy: just leave it without then
[18:59] <murthy> ok
[19:23] <jussi> o/
[19:24] <jussi> Riddell: so is it yet possible to disclose the state of our finance? 
[19:28] <murthy> yofel: earlier you mentioned a file with dual license, i am on it right now, so what will be the license filed ?
[19:31] <apachelogger> murthy, yofel: that reads like a 3clause bsd...
[19:31] <apachelogger> what's hybrid about it?
[19:31] <murthy> apachelogger: clause 2 is removed
[19:32] <murthy> apachelogger: also check this out
[19:32] <murthy> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/682226/
[19:32] <apachelogger> the thing you posted has 3 clauses
[19:32] <yofel> the formulation his half bsd half zlib
[19:33] <yofel> wait
[19:33] <murthy> apachelogger: ya
[19:33] <apachelogger> yofel: no
[19:33] <apachelogger> says exactly what the 3 cluase bsd says
[19:33] <apachelogger> alas, it probably does not use the same wording
[19:33] <murthy> yofel: one i posted now has apple and bsd 3 clause
[19:34] <yofel> murthy: what was the original one again?
[19:34] <apachelogger> bsd...
[19:34] <murthy> let me check it again
[19:34] <afiestas> anyway to install kscreen in 12.10?
[19:34] <apachelogger> darwin's derived from bsd
[19:34] <apachelogger> last time I asked you said it's not ready :P
[19:37] <apachelogger> afiestas: looking into a backport later
[19:40] <murthy> apachelogger: as you said this http://paste.kde.org/682100/  is using  bsd clause 3 with changed wording
[19:41] <murthy> apachelogger: what about this file with a dual license apple and bsd 3 http://paste.kde.org/682226/
[19:42] <murthy> apachelogger: what will the license field contain ?
[19:42] <apachelogger> 3 clause bsd
[19:42] <murthy> apachelogger: apple?
[19:42] <Riddell> jussi: on the public document?
[19:42] <yofel> murthy: http://paste.kde.org/682100/ is plain bsd-3
[19:42] <Riddell> jussi: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AosntDLfgW_kdFQzWmZjTkt5X1lWQ3FFdXB3QkpTZ3c#gid=0
[19:43] <Riddell> jussi: needs some tidying to separate KDE GB and Kubuntu accounts
[19:43] <murthy> yofel: ya
[19:43] <yofel> murthy: the other one is apsl-2.0 and bsd-4
[19:43] <murthy> yofel: so should i list them one below the other in the license field ?
[19:44] <jussi> Riddell: ahh, excellent, thanks
[19:48] <yofel> murthy: well, as they are 2 licenses you can make a block for each one with the proper name. The license for the file would be apsl-2.0 and bsd-4-clause then
[19:50] <murthy> yofel: so apsl-2.0 is a proper keyword right?
[19:50] <murthy> Mirv: what about this one http://paste.kde.org/682238/ ?
[19:51] <murthy> oops
[19:51] <murthy> Mirv: nm
[19:51] <murthy> yofel: ^
[19:54] <apachelogger> license keys are self-defining
[19:54] <apachelogger> it's why one needs to add the short version of the license
[19:55] <murthy> apachelogger: so i can just put bsd?
[19:56] <yofel> murthy: if http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#license-specification specifies a name, you should use it
[19:56] <yofel> otherwise use what you want - as long as you're consistent in the file
[19:57] <murthy> apachelogger: in this case its a bsd with just one point from cluase 4 so i can put BSD-4-Hybrid ?
[19:57] <murthy> yofel: ^
[19:58] <murthy> yofel: i can understand the point, but i need to know if there any restrictions in using a custom string?
[19:59] <murthy> yofel: previously i was not aware of the fact that it is necessary to limit the column width of a debian changelog to 80 chars
[20:01] <yofel> murthy: unless dep5 says so, no
[20:01] <yofel> and IIRC it does not
[20:01] <murthy> yofel: ok
[20:02] <apachelogger> murthy: whate are you talking about?
[20:02] <murthy> apachelogger: the license field string specs
[20:03] <apachelogger> there's still no such thing as a bsd-4-hybrid
[20:03] <murthy> can there be a blank line in a copyright text or it should be replaced with a period ?
[20:04] <murthy> apachelogger: ya thats a custom one
[20:04] <apachelogger> where?
[20:04] <murthy> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/682238/
[20:05] <apachelogger> how is that anything-4 with 1 clause Oo
[20:06] <murthy> apachelogger: that point is taken from bsd's 4 th clause
[20:06] <apachelogger> so?
[20:07] <apachelogger> that is a bsd 1-clause license
[20:07] <murthy> apachelogger: donbt we have to match the keyword template?
[20:07] <murthy> apachelogger: *don't
[20:07] <apachelogger> see what I wrote earlier
[20:08] <apachelogger> it still has nothing to do with 4-clause
[20:08] <murthy> apachelogger: i mean 4th clause
[20:08] <apachelogger> http://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-2-Clause
[20:08] <apachelogger> closest relative
[20:08] <apachelogger> murthy: it's simply a bst-style license
[20:08] <apachelogger> *bsd-style
[20:09] <murthy> apachelogger: "* Neither the name of the organization nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission."
[20:09] <murthy> apachelogger: thats the 4th clause of the bsd
[20:09] <apachelogger> it's still bsd-style
[20:10] <yofel> murthy: 4-clause relates to the number of clauses, not which one
[20:10] <yofel> bsd is pretty loose on the wording anyway
[20:11] <murthy> yofel: when people see the keyword they will know that the 4th clause is used in the license so thats why the number 4
[20:12] <apachelogger> it has nothing to do with bsd-4-clause
[20:12] <apachelogger> it is a bsd-style license
[20:12] <apachelogger> end of story
[20:12] <murthy> anyway i will use bsd-style
[20:13] <murthy> yofel: ok
[20:34] <Riddell> jussi: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AosntDLfgW_kdFQzWmZjTkt5X1lWQ3FFdXB3QkpTZ3c#gid=0 updated, £7744.99 in the kubuntu fund
[20:35] <Riddell> oh no, a bit more
[20:35]  * Riddell fixes
[20:36] <Riddell> £7772
[20:57] <Riddell> yofel, ScottK: kdepim compiled on armhf in quantal-proposed
[20:58] <shadeslayer> any recommendations on how to update the poppler symbols?
[20:59] <yofel> yay
[20:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: what do you mean?
[20:59] <shadeslayer> for some reasons it has foo.symbols.in and then debian/rules does some sed magic
[20:59] <shadeslayer> s/reasons/reason
[20:59] <yofel> fun
[20:59] <shadeslayer> debian/%.symbols: debian/%.symbols.in
[20:59] <shadeslayer>         cat $^ | sed -e 's/#CURVER#/$(UPSTREAM_VERSION)/g' > $@
[21:01] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/poppler_0.22.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[21:01] <shadeslayer> if you're interested
[21:01] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/4328955 and https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/4328956
[21:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: found out how to do it?
[21:19] <shadeslayer> errr no
[21:19] <shadeslayer> I tried a couple of ways
[21:19] <yofel> with C you can IIRC just apply the patch
[21:20] <yofel> but you'll have the sed the version
[21:20] <shadeslayer> but then there's i386 and amd64
[21:20] <yofel> s/the/to/
[21:20] <kubotu> yofel meant: "but you'll have to sed the version"
[21:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: is there anything arch specific there?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> the glib8 stuff seems the same, the qt4 stuff, not so much
[21:36] <yofel> I *think* it's fine from how I understand the subst stuff in pkgkde-symbolshelper
[21:36] <yofel> worst case, poke pino
[21:37]  * apachelogger so tired :(
[21:42]  * shadeslayer is still looking into it
[21:47] <Darkwing> Now I'm sad
[21:48] <Darkwing> Online UDS....
[21:48] <Darkwing> Not very happy about this.
[21:48] <yofel> we need to get you to Akademy somehow
[21:48] <Darkwing> Unless it changes date I can't.
[21:48] <yofel> :(
[21:48] <Darkwing> I have my kids during the summer months.
[21:49] <Darkwing> I don't get them very often... I get them first week of June and have them through August.
[21:49] <yofel> nah, perfectly understandable. They do like to have it during summer though :/
[21:49] <Darkwing> May would be perfect.
[21:52] <Darkwing> Well, Now I have some stuff to figure out.
[21:52]  * shadeslayer is sad as well
[21:52] <shadeslayer> I had plans for stuff
[21:52] <Darkwing> So did I... the weekend after I had family plans.
[21:53] <shadeslayer> plus, my 10 year US visa seems a bit pointless now :P
[21:54] <Darkwing> I have a feeling that this will not work out as well as people think.
[21:54] <Darkwing> Talk about taking away the personal touch
[21:55] <shadeslayer> I'm open to giving it a shot, except my bandwidth is shit for this kind of thing
[21:55] <Darkwing> So is a lot of people.
[21:55] <shadeslayer> not to mention latency and other stuff
[21:55] <Riddell> Darkwing: so far I haven't heard from anyone who thinks it'll work out well
[21:56] <Darkwing> Riddell: :) This is going to cause a HUGE "It's not open" push
[21:56] <BluesKaj> having a seminar during the summer is off the mark , ppl spend time on vacation etc ..maybe a geek vacation,for some , but for others totally wrong
[21:58] <Riddell> Darkwing: if the KDE office in barcelona is open we could have our own kubuntu sprint during UDS week
[21:59] <Darkwing> Riddell: I think it would be interesting to do something in person... 
[22:06] <apachelogger> Darkwing: not that I am up-to-date on the matters but KDE usually has a counterpart event in NA
[22:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: hmm, what do you recommend I do for these two symbols that only appear in the amd64 builds : 
[22:06] <shadeslayer> +#MISSING: 0.22.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN7Poppler10Annotation5Style7PrivateC1ERKS2_@Base 0.20.1
[22:06] <shadeslayer> +#MISSING: 0.22.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN7Poppler10Annotation5Style7PrivateC2ERKS2_@Base 0.20.1
[22:09]  * shadeslayer goes off to read dpkg-gensymbols to get a better idea
[22:11] <shadeslayer> so, according to dpkg-gensymbols, it's safe to just drop those symbols from the file
[22:12] <yofel> optional ones you can drop, but what do you mean with amd64 only?
[22:13]  * yofel reads both logs
[22:13] <shadeslayer> those 2 symbols only appear in the amd64 log
[22:14] <yofel> hm, looks i386 specific then
[22:14] <shadeslayer> you mean amd64 specific?
[22:14] <yofel> Poppler::Annotation::Style::Private::Private(Poppler::Annotation::Style::Private const&)
[22:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: it's only missing on amd64 => i386 specific to me
[22:14] <shadeslayer> yeah
[22:14] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:14] <shadeslayer> okay
[22:15] <shadeslayer> right, I mis-interpreted that
[22:16] <yofel> possibly add arch=, but if that's really gccinternal then it's unpredictable where it'll appear and where not
[22:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: just forget about it: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/128628490/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-amd64.poppler_0.20.5-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:18] <shadeslayer> oh lol
[22:18] <murthy> yofel: the files thirdparty/breakpad/third_party/glog/* has google's copyright with type bsd-3 clause  except the build scripts (9 files) which has FSF copyright with type GPL. Should i list the script files?
[22:18] <shadeslayer> I'll just use the i386 patch then
[22:18] <yofel> murthy: yes
[22:19] <murthy> yofel: ok
[22:19] <yofel> you list any files with copyright in them
[22:19] <murthy> yofel: ok
[22:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when will the kpeople/ktp stuff getfixed :S
[22:20] <shadeslayer> argh
[22:20] <yofel> do the *fixing* post-FF
[22:20] <shadeslayer> I thought I disabled the Quantal/Precise builds
[22:20] <shadeslayer> bah
[22:20] <shadeslayer> shit is broken again
[22:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rage at mck182
[22:21] <shadeslayer> I setup a email forward to forward all kpeople FTBFS's to him
[22:21] <shadeslayer> eh wat
[22:21] <apachelogger> meow
[22:21] <shadeslayer>  libkpeople-dev : Depends: libkpeople4 (= 0+git20130218+r185-0ubuntu1~raring1) but it is not going to be installed
[22:23] <murthy> yofel: this is just GPL right? http://paste.kde.org/682346/
[22:24] <yofel> murthy: GPL-2+
[22:24] <yofel> hm
[22:25] <yofel> GPL-2+ with Autoconf exception
[22:25] <apachelogger> ...
[22:25] <apachelogger> I fear this is getting too detailed
[22:26] <Riddell> murthy: you can ignore that
[22:26] <apachelogger> in fact I know it is
[22:26] <Riddell> "you may include it under
[22:26] <Riddell> # the same distribution terms that you use for the rest of that program"
[22:26] <Riddell> means you can ignore it
[22:26] <murthy> sorry i overlooked it
[22:26] <murthy> its gpl2+
[22:26]  * yofel is too tired for licensing today -.-
[22:27] <murthy> yofel: sorry
[22:27] <murthy> yofel: i am iterating through the dirs and its like the russian doll
[22:27] <yofel> nah, it's me that's sorry
[22:27] <apachelogger> hm
[22:27] <apachelogger> yofel: does buildstatus work with ppas?
[22:27] <yofel> well, *that* is reality ^^
[22:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: buildstatus kscreen
[22:27] <kubotu> kscreen:
[22:27] <apachelogger> yeah that looks broken alright
[22:28] <apachelogger> :(
[22:28] <murthy> yofel: i will be finishing in 15 min
[22:28] <yofel> apachelogger: not really, seems to track the primary archive
[22:28] <yofel> not like adding ppa support would be much work
[22:29] <apachelogger> the output is weird at any rate
[22:29] <apachelogger> yofel: would be cool if you could make that happen ^^
[22:29] <yofel> remind me again if it's not done by weekend
[22:29] <murthy> Riddell: which one to ignore?
[22:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: buildstatus amarok
[22:29] <kubotu> amarok:
[22:29] <kubotu>  powerpc Successfully built
[22:29] <kubotu>  i386 Successfully built
[22:29] <kubotu>  armhf Successfully built
[22:29] <kubotu>  armel Successfully built...
[22:29] <apachelogger> also I think one-line output would be nice
[22:30]  * apachelogger wonders why kscreen is broken and sighs
[22:30] <Riddell> murthy: ignore http://paste.kde.org/682346/
[22:30] <murthy> Riddell: you mean i can ignore the copyright for the build scripts?
[22:30] <Riddell> murthy: yes
[22:31] <murthy> Riddell: cool
[22:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: kscreen in ppa however lunchpad decided that today is a busy day and refuses to build it within the next couple of hours...
[22:31] <apachelogger> backports ppa
[22:33] <murthy> ha ha ha
[22:33] <murthy> I am going to get mad today
[22:33] <Riddell> uh oh
[22:35] <murthy> when open a dir and it contains a single dir and i thnk its going to end and then when i open it and i see several dir with many files :D
[22:36] <murthy> my prognosis is that i will take a day to finish
[22:36]  * yofel usually uses licensecheck piped through several layers of grep for licensing fun
[22:37] <murthy> yofel: eventually i will do the same, but since this is my learning period , it will be good for me to do it manually
[22:38] <shadeslayer> we should outsource licensing fixes to monkeys
[22:39] <murthy> ya
[22:39] <yofel> they're already busy making drafts for freedesktop standards and don't have time
[22:39] <murthy> oops i thought that was joke
[22:39] <yofel> it was :P
[22:39] <murthy> such a team exist?
[22:40] <murthy> ah :D
[22:40] <yofel> only on the planet of apes
[22:40] <murthy> yofel: its like the google's april gag
[22:41] <murthy> yofel: after what Riddell, i am wondering if had wasted my time
[22:42] <yofel> murthy: I think he meant the exception
[22:42] <yofel> it's still GPL-2+
[22:42] <murthy> yofel: thirdparty/breakpad/* has google's copyright with the exception of some
[22:42] <shadeslayer> freedesktop standards are the lulz
[22:42] <apachelogger> yes, they are a joke, lol
[22:42] <apachelogger> :P
[22:43] <murthy> yofel: the breakpad has many files
[22:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what are you lulzing at?
[22:44] <murthy> yofel: Riddell can you take a look at the dir tomahawk-0.6.0/thirdparty/breakpad and tell me if it needs the exceptions need to be listed?
[22:44] <yofel> murthy: that's why I would run "licensecheck -c=* -r *" over it and only manually look at the stuff it doesn't recognise
[22:44] <Riddell> murthy: where is the tar?
[22:45] <yofel> Riddell: pull-ppa-source tomahawk/ppa quantal
[22:45] <yofel> Riddell: pull-ppa-source tomahawk/ppa tomahawk quantal
[22:45] <murthy> v0.6.0
[22:46] <murthy> this is work in process and there are pending corrections http://paste.kde.org/682394/ 
[22:46] <murthy> thats the copyright for tomohawk 0.6.0
[22:46] <murthy> apachelogger: ^
[22:47] <yofel> the hell
[22:47] <yofel> third_party/glog/compile: GPL (v2 or later) (with incorrect FSF address) GENERATED FILE
[22:48] <Riddell> murthy: no they don't
[22:48] <Riddell> yofel: that's got an autoconf exception
[22:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the fact that freedesktop standards exist
[22:49] <yofel> I was just surprised that licensecheck actually checks the FSF address o.O
[22:49] <murthy> Riddell: no need to add the exceptions? and totally sum as google's?
[22:49] <murthy> yofel: i am checking with the software and its very cool
[22:50]  * shadeslayer is hungry
[22:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: fun
[22:50] <Riddell> murthy: yes
[22:50] <murthy> Riddell: omg, thank you
[22:52] <murthy> shadeslayer: breakfast?
[22:52] <shadeslayer> oh lol
[22:52] <shadeslayer> look at the time
[22:52] <shadeslayer> 4.22 AM
[22:52] <murthy> ya :)
[22:52] <shadeslayer> completely lost track of time tonight
[22:53]  * shadeslayer attributes that to House of Cards
[22:53] <murthy> shadeslayer: I am not feeling even a little bit sleepy
[22:53] <shadeslayer> :D
[23:19] <murthy> apachelogger: expect attaching the licenses text, i think its complete http://paste.kde.org/682418/
[23:20] <apachelogger> no
[23:20] <apachelogger> actually lintian should tell you
[23:20] <murthy> apachelogger: no i mean the syntax
[23:21] <murthy> apachelogger: overall appearance and grouping 
[23:21] <murthy> apachelogger: are you ok with line 100 ?
[23:23] <afiestas> apachelogger: thanks :p
[23:23] <murthy> apachelogger: one small correction
[23:23] <afiestas> apachelogger: don't tell shadeslayer but you are my favorite Kubuntu packager, at least for this week :p
[23:24] <apachelogger> hooray
[23:24] <apachelogger> murthy: no
[23:24] <shadeslayer> :(
[23:24] <apachelogger> License: GPL-2+
[23:24] <apachelogger> not defined
[23:24] <apachelogger> License: LGPL-2
[23:24] <apachelogger> not defined
[23:24] <apachelogger> License: LGPL-2.1
[23:24] <apachelogger> not defined
[23:24] <apachelogger> ....
[23:25] <murthy> apachelogger: thats what i said in the previous comment, EXCEPT THAT
[23:26] <murthy> apachelogger: talk about the text formatting, i will come to the lintian checking part later
[23:26] <apachelogger> there's not much to look at :P
[23:26] <apachelogger> if it parses it's fine
[23:26] <murthy> apachelogger: line 100?
[23:26] <apachelogger> would be nice to have linebreaks
[23:26] <murthy> apachelogger: 80 chars ok?
[23:26] <apachelogger> if you can make stuff not exceed 80chars/line that is peferred
[23:26] <apachelogger> not a requirement though
[23:27] <murthy> apachelogger: ok
[23:27] <apachelogger> if a dep5 parser has problems with parsing a way too long line it probably has no business being a parser ^^
[23:28] <murthy> apachelogger: doing a lintian check after dpkg-buildpackage -s gives warning about these things.  example http://paste.ubuntu.com/5557229/
[23:29] <murthy> apachelogger: and i was asked to remove those https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdlna/+bug/1129977
[23:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-development
[23:32] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-dev] evaluate input methods ibus and fcitx and ensure they both work, decide which to ship: TODO
[23:32] <apachelogger> thoughts?
[23:32] <apachelogger> murthy: so?
[23:33] <murthy> apachelogger: text formatting is a step that has to be taken care
[23:33] <apachelogger> not in dep5
[23:35] <murthy> apachelogger: unofficially
[23:37] <murthy> apachelogger: so shall i copy paste the license text from here http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/#license-field?
[23:37] <murthy> apachelogger: so shall i copy paste the license text from here http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/#license-field ?
[23:39] <murthy> apachelogger: give me reference for the license definition so that i can copy paste 
[23:41] <apachelogger> murthy: inside the source you have a perfectly fine short license version to use :P
[23:41] <murthy> apachelogger: ok
[23:41] <apachelogger> then simply append the "On Debian systems, the full text of ...." aprt
[23:41] <apachelogger> *part
[23:42]  * apachelogger leaves for today
[23:45] <ScottK> Riddell: \o/
[23:47] <ScottK> jono: No.  It's the end of UDS.  When I'm at a UDS in person, I've taken off work and can focus.  I'm in a session virtually every slot.  There's no way that'll happen if I'm not there.  I know from how much I've participated when I'm not there before.  I doubt I'm at all atypical.
[23:47] <ScottK> Plus every three month makes zero sense.
[23:47] <ScottK> That is until Canonical announces it's changed the release cycle too, so I'll wait for that one.
[23:55] <murthy> brb