[06:12] <cerebrate> how do i upgrade my wetware from using lubuntu successfully to using archlinux successfully, given abundant resources of all hues?
[06:24] <phillw> cerebrate: wet ware? try http://phillw.net/waterproofpiglet.jpg
[06:28] <cerebrate> i mean them there neural nets in the back of my brain and the rest of my body
[06:28] <cerebrate> ;p
[06:45] <cerebrate> and how i apply myself to info'matics
[06:52] <Vivekananda> hey there
[06:52] <Vivekananda> anyone around
[07:00] <cerebrate> hi vive
[07:00] <cerebrate> ^5 :D
[07:59] <teh> hello everyone
[07:59] <cerebrate> i require subdued colors to use my computer without damaging my eyes
[07:59] <cerebrate> how do i modulate the window border et cetera to look subdued
[08:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> themes ?
[08:01] <cerebrate> accessed through what, searched settings & preferences, nothing popped out to me
[08:01] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ambiance%20&%20Radiance%20Themes%20for%20Xfce&LXDE?content=146674
[08:02] <JohnDoe_71Rus> GTK 2.x GTK 1.x themes
[08:02] <JohnDoe_71Rus> and GTK 3.x
[08:02] <JohnDoe_71Rus> openbox themes for window borders
[08:03] <cerebrate> error in attempt to access http url
[08:03] <cerebrate> processing
[08:03] <JohnDoe_71Rus> even  http://gnome-look.org ?
[08:03] <tehRidler> yeah i can use that thanks
[08:05] <cerebrate> failed in applying subdued theme to personal computer, request help
[08:07] <cerebrate> very beginner at this
[08:07] <cerebrate> all prior and future and current assistance appreciated tremendously
[08:08] <JohnDoe_71Rus> cerebrate: download theme file. unpack them to /home/%user_name%/.themes
[08:09] <cerebrate> link to 'theme file' instead led to a deviantart page ;-;
[08:09] <cerebrate> computer this whore!
[08:10]  * cerebrate beats his computer at chess
[08:10] <cerebrate> thanks so much jd
[15:29] <redtape-renegade> How do I access wifi on Lubuntu 12.10 ? where is the system tray icon for the wireless monitor ?
[15:32] <holstein> redtape-renegade: theres a network applet that should "just work" when wireless is working
[15:33] <redtape-renegade> I dont know how to 'log-on' to the intwernet cafe when I am there .. where do I put in the password ??
[15:33] <holstein> redtape-renegade: so, you are able to connect to other wifi access points?
[15:34] <redtape-renegade> I dont know .. when I unplug the CAT-5 cable at home .. I am offline .. I've never used wifi on this Lubuntu machine .. but I am told it is working but I cannot connect ??
[15:35] <redtape-renegade> i.e. it sees access points..
[15:36] <holstein> redtape-renegade: i would reduce variables and test.. make an open network with a router to test with at home... test with whatever operating system you are used to using (main ubuntu or xubuntu) via a live CD, so you know the hardware works. then, jump to LXDE knowing that it will all work, then go to cafe
[15:38] <redtape-renegade> ..it works with other computers like my nook color etc .. I just don't know how to get it working on my netbook Samsung N135 .. there is little help on the forums but popey says it does see the access points .. I just don't know how to connect the dots ??
[15:38] <redtape-renegade> where do i put in the password etc ?
[15:39] <redtape-renegade> where is the icon .. on Ubuntu it is in the top-right ??
[15:42] <redtape-renegade> Be right back ..
[15:44] <holstein> redtape-renegade: you need to test with that *exact* hardware... right now, you are testing multiple variables
[15:44] <holstein> you are at a coffee shop with a wifi access point that you dont control, on an operating system you are unfamiliar with, with hardware that im not sure you have tested with linux
[15:47] <redtape-renegade> holstein; Ok I understand that , but I don't even know *how* to get on the Wifi *at home* .. *HOw* do I do this ??
[15:48] <holstein> redtape-renegade: i literally just click on the wifi access point and fill in the prompts, but that is assuming your wifi hardware is working properly.. have you used this machine with linux before?
[15:48] <redtape-renegade> yes.
[15:48] <holstein> redtape-renegade: cool... elaborate
[15:49] <redtape-renegade> so it doesn't seek out access points then ? I have to *know* all of the details ?? I do a pastebin .. hangon...
[15:50] <redtape-renegade> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567859/
[15:50] <holstein> redtape-renegade: if be "it" you mean the lubuntu network icon? yes.. i literally choose the access point i want to connect to, and fill in the credentials
[15:51] <holstein> redtape-renegade: have you used this *exact* machine with linux before? and the wifi hardware? if so, how? and what linux?
[15:52] <holstein> redtape-renegade: http://askubuntu.com/questions/205704/cannot-get-atheros-ar9285-to-work-on-12-10 is a suggestion i read, but again, this is assuming the hardware is not working properly
[15:52] <redtape-renegade> You mean like this ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Wifi%20useage%20access.png PS I used this machine with Ubuntu 10.10 before .. all was OK..
[15:53] <holstein> redtape-renegade: no
[15:54] <redtape-renegade> Well I dont have a wifi icon in my toolbar at all ..??
[15:54] <holstein> redtape-renegade: i mean, literally when i first click on the network applet, just like in 10.10 with gnome2.. i see the wifi access points, and i click one, and join
[15:55] <redtape-renegade> I have to do another screenshot hangon ..
[15:55] <holstein> redtape-renegade: you have a network icon, assuming a network is there... if the hardware is not working properly, you wont see a wifi access point list
[15:55] <redtape-renegade> well popey said it *can* see access points from the pastebin I gave you ..
[15:56] <redtape-renegade> hang-on..
[15:56] <holstein> redtape-renegade: if you *can*, then click on it, and it'll join
[15:57] <redtape-renegade> Where do I click ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/screenshot%20for%20wifi%20accesspoint.png
[15:57] <holstein> redtape-renegade: otherwise, when i google "ubuntu 12.10 AR9285", i see folks saying it doesnt work, and offering scenarios like the one i linked above to "fix" it
[15:57] <redtape-renegade> oh ok ..
[15:58] <holstein> redtape-renegade: likely, where you click is not presented yet, since the hardware is likeely not working
[15:58] <holstein> redtape-renegade: what would i do? load up a live CD and try some of those fixes that are listed, so i wouldnt break my current install
[15:59] <holstein> i usually load up a live CD and test audio, and try joining wifi access points *before* installing..
[16:00] <redtape-renegade> ok .. im logging out to see if there is any difference .. hang-on ...
[16:05] <redtape-renegade> holstein: Yeah, No significant change .. looks like I bought a dud :(
[16:05] <holstein> redtape-renegade: what did you buy?
[16:06] <redtape-renegade> Samsung N135 netbook ..
[16:06] <holstein> redtape-renegade: i thought you had used that *exact* hardware in 10.10?
[16:06] <redtape-renegade> Yeah, I thought I had .. maybe i was wrong .. dunno.
[16:06] <redtape-renegade> sorry 'bout that.
[16:07] <holstein> redtape-renegade: i would load up whatever live CD of whatever operating system you are comfortable using, maybe just xubuntu 12.10, and test,..
[16:07] <redtape-renegade> ok
[16:08] <holstein> redtape-renegade: when you get *some* version of linux using all the components, you can learn to support them anywhere.. the issue now is, you are troubleshooting *everything*
[16:08] <holstein> a UI you dont use.. hardware you havent used.. access points that you dont control
[16:09] <holstein> try and reduce these variables.. or just search about a bit, and try the "fixes" that are listed
[16:09] <redtape-renegade> I can use Unetinboot with Xubuntu can you ? as a try before install ??
[16:09] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1402766.html is relevant
[16:09] <holstein> redtape-renegade: you dont *ever* need to install xubuntu
[16:10] <holstein> redtape-renegade: all im suggesting is, try something you are comfortable with to test
[16:11] <redtape-renegade> ok thank-you, bye for now :)
[16:17] <redtape-renegade> holstein: I have looks through a dozen or so Links on google etc .. and it doesn't seem there is any real solution .. I might sound silly here .. but isn't an obvious solution .....just to get a USB-Wifi-N adapter for the netbook ??
[16:18] <redtape-renegade> **looked
[16:18] <holstein> redtape-renegade: well, the ovious is, the vendor supplies a driver.. if its supplied, its included.. if it used to be included, and the hardware is "legacy" and not included anymore be default, then you can add that support back in (in theory)
[16:19] <holstein> redtape-renegade: i think the biggest question is, is the hardware supported?..
[16:19] <redtape-renegade> .. so will a USB (that is supported) Wifi adapter a good idea, or not ?
[16:20] <redtape-renegade> **be a...
[16:21] <holstein> redtape-renegade: this is what i do when purchasing hardware for linux.. i read, and ask.. and search and believe *nothing* til i plug it in.. i save my reciepts, and make sure i can return it.. .a kernel upgrade can provide support, or break support
[16:22] <holstein> but, you are assuming its not working.. what would i do? load up a few ubuntu live CD's.. ubuntu 12.04, 10.04.. maybe the upcoming beta.. see if anything "just work" out-of-the-box
[16:22] <holstein> redtape-renegade: you are assuming that hardware is not, and/or cannot be supported
[16:23] <redtape-renegade> ok .. I've met this guy before on another website .. and he's usually pretty good... :: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Penguin-802-11G-USB-Linux-GNU-Wifi-Adapter-Card-Ubuntu-/270791872378?pt=US_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item3f0c740f7a&_uhb=1
[16:23] <redtape-renegade> I will ping him and ask if he can heklp me out .. he always does returns :)
[16:23] <holstein> redtape-renegade: i feel like i could get that card you have working
[16:24] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/205704/cannot-get-atheros-ar9285-to-work-on-12-10 for example
[16:24] <redtape-renegade> well, you could always log on and try .. :)
[16:25] <redtape-renegade> yes, I tried that and it said it was activated but I dont see any change in the main toolbar .. Sooo.
[16:26] <redtape-renegade> Do you want to log on ??
[16:26] <holstein> redtape-renegade: sure, so you try a "toolbar" you are comfortable with.. if thats ubuntu 10.10, then load up that live CD
[16:26] <redtape-renegade> ok will do .. thanx.
[17:44] <cubeduser> hi! how can i change how long it takes for the disks panel to ask me for my password again? I'm formatting a stack of disks and typing the password every few minutes is getting tedious...
[17:50] <inductiveload> cubeduser: edit the sudoers file and add "Defaults timestamp_timeout=X"
[17:50] <inductiveload> where X is your desired timeout
[17:50] <cubeduser> did that, it's "99999"
[17:50] <inductiveload> negative to never timeout
[17:50] <inductiveload> hmm
[17:50] <cubeduser> also set nopasswd on the username
[17:50] <cubeduser> didn't make a difference
[17:51] <cubeduser> negative to never timeout... let me give that a shot. so, what "-15" ?
[17:52] <genii-around> -1
[17:52] <cubeduser> okay
[17:52] <cubeduser> should i add another Defaults line or continue to use the env-reset,timest......   ?
[17:53] <inductiveload> i added another
[17:54] <cubeduser> should this take effect immediately or do i have to log out of lxde and/or reboot?
[17:55] <inductiveload> should be immediate
[17:55] <cubeduser> not getting prompted now after first time
[17:56] <cubeduser> will go take a coffee break and retry
[17:56] <cubeduser> Thanks, inductiveload !
[17:56] <inductiveload> np, hope it works!
[18:02] <cubeduser> checkin it again
[18:03] <cubeduser> aw, got another prompt
[18:03] <cubeduser> any other settings controlling the authentication timeout? gconf, maybe?
[18:06] <inductiveload> do you need a password to mount/dismount disks?
[18:08] <cubeduser> not mounting them
[18:09] <cubeduser> just plugging them in, clicking format (password), clicking Standby Now (password) and unplugging them
[18:12] <inductiveload> check in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks.policy?
[18:13] <inductiveload> change things to <allow_active>yes</allow_active> to prevent them needing authorisation
[18:15] <inductiveload> makybe "change"?
[18:18] <cubeduser> thanks
[18:18] <cubeduser> pokin at that now
[18:26] <cubeduser> inductiveload: perfect! not bugging me for the tasks i don't want; still bugging me for the tasks I do! Thank you kindly for your insight.
[18:27] <inductiveload> great!
[18:37] <cubeduser> off to format another box of harddrives (with just a mouse now, yay!)
[18:37] <cubeduser> thanks loads
[18:38] <cubeduser> and then comes btrfsing them all later... boy, that's gonna be 'fun', hahahahahah
[19:34] <cerebrate> can lubuntu function as command line only?
[19:34] <cerebrate> i mean all the purty letters ;3
[19:35] <Unit193> You can even disable lightdm on startup with a change in /etc/default/grub
[19:36] <cerebrate> :3 ty
[19:37] <Unit193> Add "text" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, taking out "quiet splash"
[20:13] <livingdaylight> hola lubunteros
[20:14] <livingdaylight> just wondered whether there is any lubuntu derivative that comes with non-free multimedia codecs preinstalled, like some other ubuntu derivatives
[20:15] <holstein> livingdaylight: there is just the one lubuntu, and it *is* ubuntu, and ubuntu is not permitted to include those
[20:15] <holstein> !mp3
[20:15] <livingdaylight> holstein: yes, that is why i am asking whether there is a lubuntu derivative
[20:15] <holstein> ^^ you can read about how/why those codecs are not incuded, and how to easily add them to *any* ubuntu version (lubuntu, xubuntu.. etc)
[20:15] <holstein> livingdaylight: ther is only the one lubuntu
[20:16] <livingdaylight> yes, there is one ubuntu but many ubuntu derivatives / flavors
[20:16] <holstein> livingdaylight: cool.. well, there is ony the one lubuntu.. there is no "lubuntu+restricted codecs"... but, you can read about why those are restricted, and how to add support to *any* ubuntu
[20:16] <livingdaylight> holstein i've run into you before - it was hard work then :-[
[20:17] <holstein> livingdaylight: hard work?
[20:17] <livingdaylight> yea
[20:17] <holstein> whats was "hard work"?
[20:17] <livingdaylight> our encounter
[20:18] <livingdaylight> just asking a simple question. If its 'no' ok - fine...
[20:18] <holstein> livingdaylight: well, its not that its no.. its that there is *no* other lubuntu versions..
[20:19] <livingdaylight> 'derivatives'
[20:20] <holstein> livingdaylight: dertivitives are not official... there is a mint version with LXDE you can searh for and try which may or maynot have codes, or be "derivitive" of lubuntu, but tis not officially supported here
[20:20] <livingdaylight> I find installing all the restricted formats and extras and tweaking and making sure everything works, tedious
[20:20] <holstein> livingdaylight: sure... just let the creators of those codecs know how you feel, and what they can do to make sure ubuntu can include them
[20:21] <livingdaylight> yes, like Mint for e.g.
[20:21] <livingdaylight> Do we know which is lighter and faster, bodhi using Enlightenment or lubuntu using lxde?
[20:22] <livingdaylight> and when lubuntu advertises as being energy efficient that has nothing to do with the kernel but because its using lxde, presumably, or is there extra under-the-hood work to make it extra efficient like Fuduntu for e.g claims
[20:22] <holstein> livingdaylight: they both run live.. i would just load them up and see for yourself.. in my findings, they are different
[20:23] <livingdaylight> different in what way, did you find in your experience?
[20:24] <holstein> both are minimal in different ways... i usually go with lubuntu since LXDE is more like what i am used to, and enlightenment is not something im used to
[20:25] <holstein> livingdaylight: the efficiency is more about the lightness.. just being slim, and not running arguably un-needed services
[20:25] <livingdaylight> yes, thought so. In that case any os with a light wm can make that claim
[20:26] <livingdaylight> Generally found that for its lightness Enlightenment looks nicer; has lots of bling; whereas lxde does show its simplicity
[20:27] <holstein> livingdaylight: you can install enlightenment in ubuntu.. but, if you prefer enlightenment, i think bodhi is a nice "flagship" emplimentation (that is not officially supported here, or any other ubuntu channel)
[20:28] <livingdaylight> yea, i'm aware of bodhilinux
[20:29] <livingdaylight> thx
[20:29] <holstein> livingdaylight: i figured you were, since you mentioned, and asked about it